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ZONA
02-14-2009, 01:44 PM
We all know our defense is in shambles. A new system going in, new coaches and a plethora of crappy players. Nothing is for sure but I'm going out on a limb here (a very small thin twig of a limb actually) and say we are going to use our 1st pick on a defensive player.

There are 2 views on how we work the first round in the draft. Move up (swapping 1st rounders and probably giving up later picks and or players) or move down (again, swapping 1st rounders and getting additional later round picks or players) or just stay put at 12.

We sure have alot of holes to fill so moving down could be the way to go. But at what cost? I know all picks are gambles but math doesn't lie. 1st round picks have a higher success rate in the NFL then do 5th rounders, ok, you get the point. If we stay put, we can land a nice player at 12 and keep our later picks which is nice but we could miss the guy we want by doing that. I think moving up is the highest risk though. You not only have to give up picks, but it's not a for sure thing you still land the guy you want.

This is not a thread about who we should take but philosophy on moving up or down or staying put. Since it's all a crap shoot on what players are there and when they go and to who, I think it mainly comes down to philosophy on how you work it.

So, you make the call.

TheDave
02-14-2009, 01:46 PM
Either trade down or stay put. We need every pick we have... maybe more.

We could easily have 6-7 new starters on defense. The draft is going to have to supply most of those.

PRBronco
02-14-2009, 01:46 PM
Don't move up, there's no one there we need that badly. If Raji or somehow Curry is there at 12, jump on them, else move down, although I'm sure a lot of people would think Rey rey is worth taking at 12. Actually I'd be ok with taking Everette Brown at 12th I think.

Br0nc0Buster
02-14-2009, 01:48 PM
Stay put

There should be someone there to help our front 7
I wouldnt trade up, too costly

Flex Gunmetal
02-14-2009, 01:50 PM
ReyRey with #12

tsiguy96
02-14-2009, 01:52 PM
you cant just decide to trade up or move down, you have to have someone willing to trade with you. not many teams trade up every year because it costs so much to do so, and its rarely worth it unless its for what you see as a huge need for a playoff team, franchise QB or immediate gamebreaker. look at our trade up for jarvis, it wasnt very smart because it was pretty well known he was a project, it cost us i think a third (and fourth?).

cutthemdown
02-14-2009, 01:59 PM
Move up but only if it get's you Curry.

oubronco
02-14-2009, 01:59 PM
you cant just decide to trade up or move down, you have to have someone willing to trade with you. not many teams trade up every year because it costs so much to do so, and its rarely worth it unless its for what you see as a huge need for a playoff team, franchise QB or immediate gamebreaker. look at our trade up for jarvis, it wasnt very smart because it was pretty well known he was a project, it cost us i think a third (and fourth?).

Moss?

cmhargrove
02-14-2009, 02:09 PM
I've been looking agin at the Pats and the 49ers to see what their history is again.

The Pats start everything by putting first rounders into their 3 interior D-line spots. Guys like Wilfork and Seymour form the base and draw dounle teams. It allows them to rotate other talent through the third spot. So, the Pats started with top-notch interior linemen.

The 49ers brought along lots of picks from 3-5th rounds. They developed some big D-ends, and also have some "tweener" DT's that play end. (they have one top notch FA in Justin Smith).

There's no doubt the Pats method has produced a better result.

Both teams also put a high priority on their ILB "field generals." The 49ers have Willis, the Pats drafted Mayo. These guys are fast, hard hitters and great leaders. It will be interesting to see if they think DJ can handle this. If not, Maualuga fits the bill as a big, fast hitter, I just don't know about his football intelligence. He's had a lot of talent around him to make up for his errors.

So, I endorse the Pats method.
I say #12 is best used on one of two players - Curry (who should be gone), or Raji. So, if Raji is there, you take him.

Otherwise, you trade down for an impact guy who starts in your front 3 from day 1 and draws double teams. That guy is Tyson Jackson. He is a major force coming off the outside, and would make it even easier for our OLB's to adjust to the new scheme. In 4-3 alignment, he would be a run stopping machine, and in a 3-4 he would be a great pocket crusher.

Trading down allows us to take another two impact players in the second. If Larry English is there, you take him first. If not, take your pick of best Safety available (Delmas, Johnson, Chung). With the bonus pick in the second, I would take a Safety or Shonn Greene.

OBF1
02-14-2009, 02:13 PM
Stay put.... or trade down depending who is still on the boards at 12

cmhargrove
02-14-2009, 02:14 PM
you cant just decide to trade up or move down, you have to have someone willing to trade with you. not many teams trade up every year because it costs so much to do so, and its rarely worth it unless its for what you see as a huge need for a playoff team, franchise QB or immediate gamebreaker. look at our trade up for jarvis, it wasnt very smart because it was pretty well known he was a project, it cost us i think a third (and fourth?).

The only "realistic" scenario is if one of the top receivers (Crabtree or Maclin) or if by chance on of the top QB's (Stafford or Sanchez) starts to fall, and someone wants him bad enough. If Gruden was still in Tampa, I would have said the Bucs would trade up, but with a new rookie coach I doubt he would break the back and put his neck on the line for an offensive skill player.

NFLBRONCO
02-14-2009, 02:22 PM
Trade down with Miami and get another 2nd rounder since Miami has two. We need picks to bolster D.

Kaylore
02-14-2009, 02:30 PM
I'd love to move down. We have a lot of holes on defense and need as many prospects as possible.

GoBroncos84
02-14-2009, 02:33 PM
There are a couple of players I really like at 12, but there is a chance they would be there later if we can trade back. Rey and Knowshon would be great for this team. I know D is a much bigger need than offense, but I would still love for us to take Moreno and then focus the rest of the draft on D. If we get one of those 2 guys, whether its at 12 or we can move back and pick up an extra selection and still get one of them, I will be happy with our first round. I don't think Raji or Curry will be available and don't want to move up for them, and as much as I like Everette Brown I think Dumervil will be our rush linebacker and be very effective.

Hamrob
02-14-2009, 02:42 PM
Trade down and snap up a guy like Cushing. IMO there is just as good value between 12-24 as at 12.

If we were to trade down 7-10 spots and pick up an extra 2. That could mean getting a guy like Cushing in the 1st and picking up a DT and a RB in the 2nd round.

That's the way that I'd go.

The only guy I'd stay put for is Curry!

SureShot
02-14-2009, 02:46 PM
I'd love to move down. We have a lot of holes on defense and need as many prospects as possible.

No thanks. I don't trust Kiddy McDandraftbusts and Colonel Xanders with more picks. When will you fanboys wake up?

randomtask
02-14-2009, 02:55 PM
Move down. We have so many holes on defense that every pick is critical. Additionally, Only Curry, Raji, and Brown are worth the #12 pick for us, IMO.

tsiguy96
02-14-2009, 03:06 PM
Trade down with Miami and get another 2nd rounder since Miami has two. We need picks to bolster D.

do you think miami would want to give up one of their 2nds to move up? if you were them, would you? i doubt it. it all begins with someone wanting to move up, you cant chose to move down, you need someone with a need at your position to approach you about it (i imagine asking other teams "hey you wanna move up!?" doesnt work.) and you have to want to move down.

in this case, i highly doubt we get approached unless someone falls who shouldnt.

ludo21
02-14-2009, 03:12 PM
Move up but only if it get's you Curry.

this

NFLBRONCO
02-14-2009, 03:31 PM
do you think miami would want to give up one of their 2nds to move up? if you were them, would you? i doubt it. it all begins with someone wanting to move up, you cant chose to move down, you need someone with a need at your position to approach you about it (i imagine asking other teams "hey you wanna move up!?" doesnt work.) and you have to want to move down.

in this case, i highly doubt we get approached unless someone falls who shouldnt.

It depends on need and I know it unlikely just threw out a team. I wanted another Day 1 pick for us is all.

rugbythug
02-14-2009, 05:10 PM
No thanks. I don't trust Kiddy McDandraftbusts and Colonel Xanders with more picks. When will you fanboys wake up?

Are you for real? Can we at least let them loose a game before they suck

tsiguy96
02-14-2009, 05:37 PM
It depends on need and I know it unlikely just threw out a team. I wanted another Day 1 pick for us is all.

i think every team in the NFL wants more day 1 picks, which is why not many are willing to give them up!

barryr
02-14-2009, 05:50 PM
I'm always for trading down and getting extra picks. But obviously if there is a player you see as a pro bowl type with that top pick, then you are more wise to get that player since quality means more than quantity in that case.

SureShot
02-14-2009, 06:02 PM
Are you for real? Can we at least let them loose a game before they suck

I will not stand for anymore loosening!

tsiguy96
02-14-2009, 06:08 PM
Are you for real? Can we at least let them loose a game before they suck

i think hes just getting a head start on the rest of the haters on this board that will sound like that after:
1. any loss
2. a really bad loss in particular
3. any of the draft picks doesnt work out
4. a 1st day pick makes a mistake
5. a 2nd day pick makes a mistake
6. the kickers miss a field goal
7. cutler throws an interception
8. marshall drops a pass
9. anyone fumbles

SureShot
02-14-2009, 06:12 PM
i think hes just getting a head start on the rest of the haters on this board that will sound like that after:
1. any loss
2. a really bad loss in particular
3. any of the draft picks doesnt work out
4. a 1st day pick makes a mistake
5. a 2nd day pick makes a mistake
6. the kickers miss a field goal
7. cutler throws an interception
8. marshall drops a pass
9. anyone fumbles

I'm just working on my Wolf impersonation so I'm prepared for the upcoming 6-10 season.

Wake up fan boys.

tsiguy96
02-14-2009, 06:25 PM
I'm just working on my Wolf impersonation so I'm prepared for the upcoming 6-10 season.

Wake up fan boys.

good way to support the team. doom and gloom is teh only way to go about your day :strong:

gyldenlove
02-14-2009, 06:37 PM
Stay put.

I want to go into the draft with a plan, if you start moving around the draft board that goes to hell. Trading on draft day is too unpredictable and it makes it very hard to have a plane. If we have a good board, we can have a short list of players targeted with each pick we have and go from there. That is what worked last year.

The only way I would condone trading in the 1st round especially is if the plan calls for a player who is neither not likely to be available or a player who can be had significantly lower.

UboBronco
02-14-2009, 06:42 PM
Call me crazy, but if I could get both of the Eagles first rounders, in some form of trade, I would do that, and would spend one of them on Percy Harvin, YES, I know defense is needed, but I think this guy can play runningback, receiver, wildcat formation,returner, and used in so many ways we would be unstopable, and the other first, could be used for defense, If you want linebacker, maybe James L from Ohio State lasts, or we get Jackson from LSU... Something like that... And with the rest of our picks... DEFENSE....

SureShot
02-14-2009, 06:48 PM
good way to support the team. doom and gloom is teh only way to go about your day :strong:

I'm not being serious, but face it there are big shoes to fill and I don't think Xanders > Goodmans.

tsiguy96
02-14-2009, 06:50 PM
Call me crazy, but if I could get both of the Eagles first rounders, in some form of trade, I would do that, and would spend one of them on Percy Harvin, YES, I know defense is needed, but I think this guy can play runningback, receiver, wildcat formation,returner, and used in so many ways we would be unstopable, and the other first, could be used for defense, If you want linebacker, maybe James L from Ohio State lasts, or we get Jackson from LSU... Something like that... And with the rest of our picks... DEFENSE....

ummmm yea we are not getting 3 first round picks this year. and i really doubt we use a first or second on offense given the majority of our current defense will not be on the team next year..they are gonna reload the defense big time via draft, especially since we are likely moving to a 3-4.

SouthStndJunkie
02-14-2009, 06:52 PM
Stay put....12 is a nice spot to be.

Let the draft fall to us at 12....it worked great for us last year.

tsiguy96
02-14-2009, 06:53 PM
I'm not being serious, but face it there are big shoes to fill and I don't think Xanders > Goodmans.

pat does :)

he has yet to steer the broncos seriosuly wrong in like 25 years of ownership, and we all know he is 100% committed to the broncos. why do you think he would change now? have some faith :thumbsup:

doom and gloom doesnt help anyone

Archer81
02-14-2009, 07:11 PM
I really dont believe the players we have are that horrible. A coach's job is to put his players in a position to succeed. That didnt happen, you dont cut out the good players simply because of a horrific season on defense. You find the rot and get rid of it.

:Broncos:

ZONA
02-14-2009, 10:41 PM
I really dont believe the players we have are that horrible. A coach's job is to put his players in a position to succeed. That didnt happen, you dont cut out the good players simply because of a horrific season on defense. You find the rot and get rid of it.

:Broncos:

Oh trust me, we have alot of horrible players, especially on defense. Don't be confused.

watermock
02-14-2009, 10:46 PM
Stay, take ray rat or Maji at 12 or crabntree,

Get a ruunner at 3 besides Wells.

watermock
02-14-2009, 10:49 PM
I really dont believe the players we have are that horrible. A coach's job is to put his players in a position to succeed. That didnt happen, you dont cut out the good players simply because of a horrific season on defense. You find the rot and get rid of it.

:Broncos:


Our D sucks espesially if we go 3/4.

TheReverend
02-14-2009, 11:01 PM
No thanks. I don't trust Kiddy McDandraftbusts and Colonel Xanders with more picks. When will you fanboys wake up?

Colonel Xanders!

Ahahahahahahahaha

:spit: :spit: :spit: :spit: :spit: :spit: :spit:

BroncoBuff
02-14-2009, 11:39 PM
Curry simply will not be available, guys.

I don't think Raji will be there at 12 either, but as long as mocks keep having Raji go to us, I say stay put to draft B.J. Raji. If he's not there, trade down.

listopencil
02-15-2009, 11:20 AM
Hmmm. Well, the defense is a few players away so let's trade up and grab a QB. Then fire the DC. I bet that'll work.

tsiguy96
02-15-2009, 11:31 AM
Hmmm. Well, the defense is a few players away so let's trade up and grab a QB. Then fire the DC. I bet that'll work.

worked out pretty good for us so far. we have a franchise QB, you never, ever ever pass up on teh chance to get that.