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NeverBeenToDenver
02-09-2009, 04:34 PM
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/07/a-rod-gives-nfl-a-break/

Haven't seen this posted yet so I apologize if it's already here somewhere. Thought it was interesting. A big storm could be imminent. Only a matter of time until the NFL takes some performance enhancing drug heat of its own. Am not personally saying the glory years are tainted as Denver certainly couldn't have been the only team.

....Romanowski has been praising BALCO and its signature legal supplement, ZMA, since at least 2000, when he told Muscular Development Magazine, “Victor’s the man. … I’ve got about 90 percent of the Broncos on ZMA.”

Archer81
02-09-2009, 04:37 PM
Not to be funny, but Romo's numbers wouldnt certainly be accurate, considering he considers himself the entire team...


:Broncos:

NeverBeenToDenver
02-09-2009, 04:42 PM
Not to be funny, but Romo's numbers wouldnt certainly be accurate, considering he considers himself the entire team...


:Broncos:

Indeed. I never liked him myself. Am an ENORMOUS Broncos fan, but he rubbed me the wrong way from start. *****ing psycho. Then there was the spitting incident...after he broke Shannon Sharpe's arm, that sealed the deal for me.

EDIT: Not to mention the horrendous assault in Raiders spring training. He should have gotten hard time.

broncofan7
02-09-2009, 04:43 PM
You do realize that ZMA is a mineral /vitamin combination product.
The proportion of ingredients generally used in products is 20-30 mg Zinc, 400-500 mg Magnesium and ~10mg B6

If the Broncos were on ZMA so be it. I think we all are aware that Romo was on 'the clear' and could have very well been on GH during his playing days as well. He was much bigger and more defined at 30 than he was at 25. That's just not posssible for a pro athlete and is more likely to be seen in the general population (IE someone who never worked out then at the age of 30 decided to take up a fitness regiment). I would not be surprised to find that Shannon Sharpe took GH either although black males in general have higher than average testosterone levels than do other ethnic groups and that obviously can account for some level of muscularity(HIGH TESTOSTERONE also is a factor in Blacks increased risk for BPH, prostate cancer and heart disease).

frerottenextelway
02-09-2009, 04:44 PM
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/07/a-rod-gives-nfl-a-break/


....Romanowski has been praising BALCO and its signature legal supplement, ZMA, since at least 2000, when he told Muscular Development Magazine, “Victor’s the man. … I’ve got about 90 percent of the Broncos on ZMA.”

That's a key phrase there... not that some weren't on illegal **** too.

NeverBeenToDenver
02-09-2009, 04:46 PM
You do realize that ZMA is a mineral /vitamin combination product.
The proportion of ingredients generally used in products is 20-30 mg Zinc, 400-500 mg Magnesium and ~10mg B6

If the Broncos were on ZMA so be it. I think we all are aware that Romo was on 'the clear' and could have very well been on GH during his playing days as well. He was much bigger and more defined at 30 than he was at 25. That's just not posssible for a pro athlete and is more likely to be seen in the general population (IE someone who never worked out then at the age of 30 decided to take up a fitness regiment). I would not be surprised to find that Shannon Sharpe took GH either although black males in general have higher than average testosterone levels than do other ethnic groups and that obviously can account for some level of muscularity(HIGH TESTOSTERONE also is a factor in Blacks increased risk for BPH, prostate cancer and heart disease).

I did see the "legal" part, yes. Am certainly not trying to rip 98-99 which were some of the best times of my entire life. But you're nuts if you think there wasn't more to it. Of course, I still say our zone blocking + TD 2K + Grand Master John carried the day.

Inkana7
02-09-2009, 04:51 PM
BALCO was in some nasty stuff, but Romo didn't get the Broncos involved in it. He got the team into supplements and stuff of that nature.

Reading the book, Romo, is pretty insightful into the mind of Romonowski. He's pretty honest about what he did and didn't do.

broncofan7
02-09-2009, 04:52 PM
I did see the "legal" part, yes. Am certainly not trying to rip 98-99 which were some of the best times of my entire life. But you're nuts if you think there wasn't more to it. Of course, I still say our zone blocking + TD 2K + Grand Master John carried the day.

Apparently you cannot read:

"If the Broncos were on ZMA so be it. I think we all are aware that Romo was on 'the clear' and could have very well been on GH during his playing days as well."

BroncoMan4ever
02-09-2009, 05:21 PM
i look at it this way. Romo never got busted for baned substances and i don't recall anyone else on the SB teams getting busted either. So i really don't give a damn what they were taking.

SouthStndJunkie
02-09-2009, 05:25 PM
Realistically, every Super Bowl winning team (and every team) since the 70s has had some players on the juice/performance enhancing drugs.

broncofan7
02-09-2009, 05:37 PM
The Steelers really set the precendent in the 1970's from things that I have read......

Dean
02-09-2009, 05:42 PM
Realistically, every Super Bowl winning team (and every team) since the 70s has had some players on the juice/performance enhancing drugs.
Do you have some factual basis for making these assumptions?

richpjr
02-09-2009, 05:48 PM
Do you have some factual basis for making these assumptions?

Oh please, it would be the height of naivete to think that players of all of those teams weren't doing something. Hell, I'd venture to say that every team in the entire league (including the Broncos) has many players taking some sort of 'riod or growth hormone.

SouthStndJunkie
02-09-2009, 05:48 PM
Do you have some factual basis for making these assumptions?

Common sense.

I am not going to argue about it either....it is just my opinion.

Kaylore
02-09-2009, 06:01 PM
He said he had 90% (which is debatable) of the team taking ZMA vitamins. So what?

frerottenextelway
02-09-2009, 06:20 PM
He said he had 90% (which is debatable) of the team taking ZMA vitamins. So what?

TD was hopped up on Zinc. That's what. :approve:

TheReverend
02-09-2009, 06:23 PM
He said he had 90% (which is debatable) of the team taking ZMA vitamins. So what?

That quote was from 2000. Who knows what stuff he shared with others. As much as Romo isn't high on my list, you'd have to be pretty despicable to indict other people when you're personally going down in that scandal.

In all honesty, it makes some sense. A lot of guys with unheralded pedigrees and "over-performing" would be an understatement.

But really, who cares? Some people are born with higher test levels than another guy. It's just a little leveling of the playing field for some... and for others, it makes it ridiculously unfair, but that's life :rofl:

NeverBeenToDenver
02-09-2009, 09:12 PM
Apparently you cannot read:

"If the Broncos were on ZMA so be it. I think we all are aware that Romo was on 'the clear' and could have very well been on GH during his playing days as well."

You took it wrong. Wasn't directed at you so much. :peace:

NeverBeenToDenver
02-09-2009, 09:15 PM
As a huge baseball fan (slightly bigger than football)...I do think the double standard is out of control. Guess it's about those sacred records and the Babe and the old time boys of summer.

Those teams were performing so far above their normal "ratings"....but it was all Terrell opening the field for the Duke and the D stepping up at the right times. Beating KC at Arrowhead was nothing but fight and guts. Ahhh, what I'd give to experience that ride again.

TheDave
02-09-2009, 09:17 PM
They tested clean at the time... everything else is rumor and speculation.

NeverBeenToDenver
02-09-2009, 09:19 PM
They tested clean at the time... everything else is rumor and speculation.

There were tests? I doubt it? What exactly is the history of steroid testing in the NFL..am curious.

Spider
02-09-2009, 09:23 PM
I feel smarter already

TheDave
02-09-2009, 09:26 PM
There were tests? I doubt it? What exactly is the history of steroid testing in the NFL..am curious.

NFL... (unlike Baseball) began testing in 1987. Since then they have had one of the better "random" testing programs.

Personally i think the testing is a joke, but in the court of public opinion it's all that matters.

NeverBeenToDenver
02-09-2009, 09:49 PM
NFL... (unlike Baseball) began testing in 1987. Since then they have had one of the better "random" testing programs.

Personally i think the testing is a joke, but in the court of public opinion it's all that matters.

I did not know this. Very interesting..makes sense with Alzado's brand of pioneering. Baseball really shot itself in the foot with their laughably slow response. 15 years after the NFL?! Really?! :bash:

Kaylore
02-09-2009, 10:50 PM
I did not know this. Very interesting..makes sense with Alzado's brand of pioneering. Baseball really shot itself in the foot with their laughably slow response. 15 years after the NFL?! Really?! :bash:

It was part of the CBA. The best testing in sports is the Olypics and its widely agreed the second best is the NFL's.

Popcorn Sutton
02-10-2009, 07:06 AM
It was part of the CBA. The best testing in sports is the Olypics and its widely agreed the second best is the NFL's.

... but you can't test for HGH.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=3831956

broncofan7
02-10-2009, 07:08 AM
I feel smarter already

That feeling is simply the air wooshing past your tonsils-- mouth breather.

TheReverend
02-10-2009, 07:15 AM
... but you can't test for HGH.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=3831956

Good article. They should default that 2005 SB to the AFC runner up.

Jake Plummer gets a ring?

Peoples Champ
02-10-2009, 07:44 AM
if ZMA is legal, I am not sure what the big deal is. The Broncos were taking legal supplements.

I also heard rumors that the Broncos were taking Flinstones chewables too. Next big issue.

lex
02-10-2009, 09:23 AM
if ZMA is legal, I am not sure what the big deal is. The Broncos were taking legal supplements.

I also heard rumors that the Broncos were taking Flinstones chewables too. Next big issue.

The big deal is that now that ARod has been ensared in steroids and he is a New York Yankee, the NY media outlets are trying to cast as big of a net as they possibly can to frame the steroid issue according to their own pro-Yankee world view. "Youre naive to think there wasnt more" is building ones case entirely on innuendo. Its typical.

Peoples Champ
02-10-2009, 09:32 AM
The big deal is that now that ARod has been ensared in steroids and he is a New York Yankee, the NY media outlets are trying to cast as big of a net as they possibly can to frame the steroid issue according to their own pro-Yankee world view. "Youre naive to think there wasnt more" is building ones case entirely on innuendo. Its typical.



Ya, I would say we are all naive if we dont think that NFL or MLB or anyone doesnt take suplements or steriods whether they are legal or not.

lex
02-10-2009, 11:01 AM
Ya, I would say we are all naive if we dont think that NFL or MLB or anyone doesnt take suplements or steriods whether they are legal or not.

Id rather not speak for others but theres a lot that is not known. As with a lot of things it comes down to matters of degree. You can, however, focus on what you do know. Extrapolating beyond that is problematic.