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Spider
02-08-2009, 05:52 PM
.........Now if big Ben had been in there .........................there will be no living this incredible fail down ........ Only If John Elway , a man who never threw a pic had been on there .........
Time to trade B marsh to the Nuggets for the Nuggies mascot

crazyhorse
02-08-2009, 05:53 PM
word:afro:

BMarsh615
02-08-2009, 05:57 PM
2 of the 3 worst players on the field today were Broncos.... Cutler, Marshall, and Collins.

BMarsh615
02-08-2009, 05:58 PM
Collins??

Kerry Collins

Sassy
02-08-2009, 05:59 PM
Oh good grief...this board always has to have something to bitch about!

cabronco
02-08-2009, 05:59 PM
I bet Jay was wishing he had his O-line in there, this line gave a crappy effort.

Florida_Bronco
02-08-2009, 06:00 PM
Oh good grief...this board always has to have something to b**** about!

Yeah, tell me about it.

Spider
02-08-2009, 06:00 PM
Oh good grief...this board always has to have something to b**** about!

well seeing how you are so observant , I nominate you to do hand written letter apologizing to every afc fan out there ........

Killericon
02-08-2009, 06:02 PM
If only that gutless drunk hadn't fired Shanahan, Cutler would've been prepared!

Sassy
02-08-2009, 06:02 PM
well seeing how you are so observant , I nominate you to do hand written letter apologizing to every afc fan out there ........

It was an EXHIBITION game....

Paladin
02-08-2009, 06:07 PM
SEASON'S OVER!!!!!!! Now to FA and on to the Draft.....

Spider
02-08-2009, 06:08 PM
It was an EXHIBITION game....

you dont say ..............tell me more

Tom A Hawk
02-08-2009, 06:08 PM
It was an EXHIBITION game....
yes it was and cutler and marshall exhibited the worst performance on the field, but not the absolute worst....Washington was quite a bust trying to be a return man

Spider
02-08-2009, 06:15 PM
now we get no parade ,No trophy , no dancing girls ......... nothing but Jays epic fail

Hogan11
02-08-2009, 06:18 PM
Ole Spide must've had some cash riding on this game or something....

Yeah, our guys were disappointing out there, but it was also their first appearance, so I'm willing to give them a pass.

Besides, the only ones they really screwed were themselves, by about 23 million. They will be back and they will perform better in the future.

Popps
02-08-2009, 06:18 PM
I missed it. Did Jay cough it up?

Spider
02-08-2009, 06:19 PM
Ole Spide must've had some cash riding on this game or something....

Yeah, our guys were disappointing out there, but it was also their first appearance, so I'm willing to give them a pass.

Besides, the only ones they really screwed were themselves, by about 23 million. They will be back and they will perform better in the future.

My entire life savings .........all 7.85 cents

Popps
02-08-2009, 06:19 PM
Both of our guys flopped??

Hogan11
02-08-2009, 06:19 PM
I missed it. Did Jay cough it up?


Once, but it was tipped and not really his fault....it rattled him however and he was overthrowing everyone in sight afterwards.

Spider
02-08-2009, 06:20 PM
I missed it. Did Jay cough it up?
I guess .......... I didnt watch ;D

gunns
02-08-2009, 06:20 PM
now we get no parade ,No trophy , no dancing girls ......... nothing but Jays epic fail

Yep, Josh is probably looking to take a QB in the first round now.

cabronco
02-08-2009, 06:20 PM
Jay saw more pressure from a d-line then he did all last year.

Hogan11
02-08-2009, 06:21 PM
Both of our guys flopped??

Marshall had a couple of catches, dropped about double that amount and was overthrown all the other times.

Spider
02-08-2009, 06:22 PM
Yep, Josh is probably looking to take a QB in the first round now.

And most of all , no pro bowl title ........ I am just crushed and broke now

go_broncos
02-08-2009, 06:23 PM
Both of our guys flopped??

Yeah..It was horrible to watch.

Marshall dropped easy passes.

SoCalBronco
02-08-2009, 06:23 PM
Spider won't be able to buy his own gold thong and leather chaps now.

Elsid will have to loan him his pair.

Miss I.
02-08-2009, 06:24 PM
Spider won't be able to buy his own gold thong and leather chaps now.

Elsid will have to loan him his pair.

Ewww, used thong and chaps? That's not right, not right at all.

Spider
02-08-2009, 06:24 PM
Spider won't be able to buy his own gold thong and leather chaps now.

Elsid will have to loan him his pair.

He had better wash them first . or I will not wash them when I return em

broncosteven
02-08-2009, 06:35 PM
They would have won if Plummer was there.

We need to cut Cutler and Marshal and Wiegman. They suck. They made the pro-bowl on a bad team but they sucked.

Spider
02-08-2009, 06:37 PM
They would have won if Plummer was there.

We need to cut Cutler and Marshal and Wiegman. They suck. They made the pro-bowl on a bad team but they sucked.

get Greise back ...........;D

broncosteven
02-08-2009, 06:40 PM
get Greise back ...........;D

We really should FIRE SHANNY! It is all Shanny's fault!

Spider
02-08-2009, 06:42 PM
We really should FIRE SHANNY! It is all Shanny's fault!

all I can say is , get used to this crap until we get herm Edwards in here

400HZ
02-08-2009, 06:57 PM
The lack of moxie was painfully obvious.

Broncojef
02-08-2009, 07:13 PM
I think Jay's problem today was he just needed more talent around him, he had no weapons to go to...good grief people.

Spider
02-08-2009, 07:15 PM
Anyone got Marty Schotts # ?

broncosteven
02-08-2009, 07:26 PM
If we trade Champ, Cut Marshal and Cutler and draft either a WR or RB in the 1st round next year we will make the SB for sure!

broncosteven
02-08-2009, 07:27 PM
Oh, and sign Ray Ray for lots of dough...

SonOfLe-loLang
02-08-2009, 07:29 PM
Neither were hurt right? OK, its a success.

Bronx33
02-08-2009, 07:29 PM
If we trade Champ, Cut Marshal and Cutler and draft either a WR or RB in the 1st round next year we will make the SB for sure!



Funny that's how al davis thinks :clown:

loborugger
02-08-2009, 07:34 PM
I guess .......... I didnt watch ;D

Ahhh, Spider....

:stirstir:

You got 'em dancin' for ya.

djrcmay
02-08-2009, 08:21 PM
None of the Bronco looked like they belonged on the field today.

Spider
02-08-2009, 08:21 PM
Ahhh, Spider....

:stirstir:

You got 'em dancin' for ya.

LOL .. i think the hand written letter to all of AFC fans tipped it ;D

OrangeRising
02-08-2009, 08:31 PM
"None of the Broncos looked like they belonged"

I dunno. Weigmann played pretty well. Cutler and Marshall must've been there for the warmth.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-08-2009, 09:50 PM
Anyone trying to read ANYTHING into this performance is a ****ing retard. Cutler and marshall havent played football in over a month and hopefully didnt have it on their minds that much. They come to hawaii to have a good time in an EXHIBITION game...who the **** cares if they didnt play well...you guys are so god damn annoying sometimes

Sassy
02-08-2009, 09:56 PM
Anyone trying to read ANYTHING into this performance is a ****ing retard. Cutler and marshall havent played football in over a month and hopefully didnt have it on their minds that much. They come to hawaii to have a good time in an EXHIBITION game...who the **** cares if they didnt play well...you guys are so god damn annoying sometimes

Ha!

theAPAOps5
02-08-2009, 10:07 PM
I am pretty sure the only one taking this thread serious was you SonOLang! LOL

SonOfLe-loLang
02-08-2009, 10:20 PM
I am pretty sure the only one taking this thread serious was you SonOLang! LOL

Read some of the posts...as my old hebrew school teacher used to say "honey, i beg to diffuh" :)

Spider
02-08-2009, 10:26 PM
Anyone trying to read ANYTHING into this performance is a ****ing retard. Cutler and marshall havent played football in over a month and hopefully didnt have it on their minds that much. They come to hawaii to have a good time in an EXHIBITION game...who the **** cares if they didnt play well...you guys are so god damn annoying sometimes

Jay cost us the title , jay and Bmarsh played so bad .... no excuses for that low level of performance , I am thoroughly disgusted in their play ....and since you are such a stanch supporter of these 2 no talent hacks , you can help sassy with those hand written letters .........

SonOfLe-loLang
02-08-2009, 10:29 PM
Jay cost us the title , jay and Bmarsh played so bad .... no excuses for that low level of performance , I am thoroughly disgusted in their play ....and since you are such a stanch supporter of these 2 no talent hacks , you can help sassy with those hand written letters .........

My rant wasn't aimed at you, my man! I know better! :D

Spider
02-08-2009, 10:30 PM
My rant wasn't aimed at you, my man! I know better! :D

;D just fishing ....... even though I have to be in bed ;D

strafen
02-08-2009, 10:57 PM
Trade Marshall, he's a bum!!!

cutthemdown
02-09-2009, 12:24 AM
It's not important to win Pro Bowl, and dropping passes and throwing stupid picks wouldn't matter so much if that's not exactly what they both did in regular season as well.

strafen
02-09-2009, 12:42 AM
Half the posts on this page are the typical excuse-makers for Cutler. A true competitor competes, all the time, every chance he gets, and makes plays happen when faced with adversity. Cutler looked like he was lost and didn't care. Sloppy passes, sloppy footwork, his numbers speak for themselves. Looked to me like Manning was out there competing to win, same with Fitz, Steve Smith, Jones, McClain, Ware, on and on.
Same thing with Marshall, he just looked like he didn't belong there, he stuck up like a sore thumb, terrible!
Cutler just needs to make better decisions, Marshall has some serious issues holding on to the ball, and that's very disturbing and harder to fix than Cutler's issues with his decision making on the field...

SonOfLe-loLang
02-09-2009, 01:29 AM
Half the posts on this page are the typical excuse-makers for Cutler. A true competitor competes, all the time, every chance he gets, and makes plays happen when faced with adversity. Cutler looked like he was lost and didn't care. Sloppy passes, sloppy footwork, his numbers speak for themselves. Looked to me like Manning was out there competing to win, same with Fitz, Steve Smith, Jones, McClain, Ware, on and on.
Same thing with Marshall, he just looked like he didn't belong there, he stuck up like a sore thumb, terrible!
Cutler just needs to make better decisions, Marshall has some serious issues holding on to the ball, and that's very disturbing and harder to fix than Cutler's issues with his decision making on the field...


DUDE IT WAS THE PROBOWL!!!!!!

Florida_Bronco
02-09-2009, 01:42 AM
Geez, some people are just never happy.

I remember back in 2005 when Roy Williams put a good shot on Rod Smith towards the end of the game. Everyone was flipping out because Roy was going for the big hit in a meaningless game. Now everyone is flipping out because Jay and Brandon didn't appear to be playing balls out in the same meaningless game.

Let's make up our minds.

TDmvp
02-09-2009, 01:50 AM
I'm going to go on a 20min bi$tchfest about a exhibition game cause I'm a uneducated classless douche bag ...

Blah Blah Blah I hate Jay Cutler .
Blah Blah Blah I hate everyone on this forum yet I'm still here wasting bandwidth.
Blah Blah Blah .


fixed ...

strafen
02-09-2009, 02:04 AM
I want to join Dexter and Shackleford and be Dragster69 newest biatchOk, you're in, you're my newest biatch :thumbs:

I change my mind. You look to freakin' gay
This is from your myspace page. You're 33 yrs old you moron, and you act like a complete douche bag? LOL ROFL!
http://b9.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01439/95/18/1439738159_m.jpg

TDmvp
02-09-2009, 02:13 AM
Ok, you're in, you're my newest biatch :thumbs:

I change my mind. You look to freakin' gay
This is from your myspace page. You're 33 yrs old you moron, and you act like a complete douche bag? LOL ROFL!
http://b9.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01439/95/18/1439738159_m.jpg



Proof you are uneducated .... That is Bill Hicks not me ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Hicks

cutthemdown
02-09-2009, 02:15 AM
Geez, some people are just never happy.

I remember back in 2005 when Roy Williams put a good shot on Rod Smith towards the end of the game. Everyone was flipping out because Roy was going for the big hit in a meaningless game. Now everyone is flipping out because Jay and Brandon didn't appear to be playing balls out in the same meaningless game.

Let's make up our minds.

Like I said if Marshall rarely dropped balls then this wouldn't be a big deal. If Cutler didn't throw a pick in ever game he plays then no biggie. The thing is though they played a lot like the played in the regular season.

Normally I would agree and say people are blowing it up, bit I can't because I am really worried that Marshall has a problem with drops, and Cutler with interceptions. When those 2 prove to me it's not a problem by playing football without them happening then i will stop worrying about it.

Broncos have been making excuses for poor play for too long now. It's time for the broncos to start expecting a higher standard or we will be the bitches of the good teams for a long time

i4jelway7
02-09-2009, 05:00 AM
Jay cost me $165 on this pro bowl... ugh Big Ben would of got out the sacks and completed the passes... I know it's an exhibition game but I knew when the AFC got the ball the last time that Jay was going to screw it up although I thought he was going to throw another int.. .instead it was a turnover on downs.. they didn't get 1 freaking yard on the series...

Dexter
02-09-2009, 05:08 AM
Ok, you're in, you're my newest biatch :thumbs:

I change my mind. You look to freakin' gay
This is from your myspace page. You're 33 yrs old you moron, and you act like a complete douche bag? LOL ROFL!
http://b9.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01439/95/18/1439738159_m.jpg

LOL, and you get on me about insulting people?

You just called this guy a douche bag, gay, moron and your bitch in what? 5 or 6 sentences? Oh and Bill Hicks? LOL Dumbass.

theAPAOps5
02-09-2009, 06:38 AM
Hmmm could this be Casino Royal's newest log in?

Tom A Hawk
02-09-2009, 06:41 AM
I think Jay's problem today was he just needed more talent around him, he had no weapons to go to...good grief people.

:rofl: Marshall his own team mate and Gonzo is no talent to throw to?
He had his own center....:rofl: No talent around him.

Tom A Hawk
02-09-2009, 06:44 AM
If we trade Champ, Cut Marshal and Cutler and draft either a WR or RB in the 1st round next year we will make the SB for sure!


did you guys hire Carl Peterson?

Arkie
02-09-2009, 11:03 AM
Here's a neat stat: career interception percentage

Pro Bowlers
Brees - 2.7%
Peyton - 2.8%
Cutler - 3.0%
Warner - 3.2%
Eli - 3.2%
Collins - 3.2%
Favre - 3.3%

Former Broncos:
Elway - 3.1%
Griese - 3.5%
Plummer - 3.7%

cutthemdown
02-09-2009, 11:08 AM
Here's a neat stat: career interception percentage

Pro Bowlers
Brees - 2.7%
Peyton - 2.8%
Cutler - 3.0%
Warner - 3.2%
Eli - 3.2%
Collins - 3.2%
Favre - 3.3%

Former Broncos:
Elway - 3.1%
Griese - 3.5%
Plummer - 3.7%

add in his fumbles then get back to us. Anyone who tries to poo poo the fact Jay has a turnover problem is kidding themselves.

Until Cutler stops turning ball over, and often in redzone, Broncos won't be able to win enough games to make the playoffs.

Rigs11
02-09-2009, 11:29 AM
still not sold on cutler. guy has no heart, sits by himself on the sidelines.And before anyone comes in with their rookie crap, he's got 2 years as a starter.

listopencil
02-09-2009, 11:33 AM
Meh. His team needed a late drive for a score. He made a dumb throw that cost them the game. Lucky for us it was the AFC not the Broncos this time I guess. Did we get a Defense yet?

Florida_Bronco
02-09-2009, 11:51 AM
still not sold on cutler. guy has no heart, sits by himself on the sidelines.And before anyone comes in with their rookie crap, he's got 2 years as a starter.

:spit: Ha!

400HZ
02-09-2009, 11:55 AM
still not sold on cutler. guy has no heart, sits by himself on the sidelines.And before anyone comes in with their rookie crap, he's got 2 years as a starter.

That's why Peyton and Dielman fried his blood meter. They were in it to win it and wanted that no-talent hack off the field on Sunday.

vancejohnson82
02-09-2009, 11:57 AM
for all of you that are anti-Cutler, I have a challenge....

Name a free agent, or rookie QB you would want THIS YEAR to replace him.....

It's absurd to sit here and compare him to Manning or Ben becuase they are on OTHER TEAMS....if you have other viable options,please go ahead and name them...there are none

as a matter of fact, of all of the QBs in the league I would probably pick only 2 or 3 ahead of Cutler if you gave me the chance to redraft the whole league...(BRADY, PEYTON, and maybe another guy like Ben...but maybe not)

HI HATERS

Hotrod
02-09-2009, 12:04 PM
Here's a neat stat: career interception percentage

Pro Bowlers
Brees - 2.7%
Peyton - 2.8%
Cutler - 3.0%
Warner - 3.2%
Eli - 3.2%
Collins - 3.2%
Favre - 3.3%

Former Broncos:
Elway - 3.1%
Griese - 3.5%
Plummer - 3.7%


Plummer is a misprint it should read Plummer - 37%

Kaylore
02-09-2009, 12:26 PM
still not sold on cutler. guy has no heart, sits by himself on the sidelines.And before anyone comes in with their rookie crap, he's got 2 years as a starter.

You don't watch football, do you?

SonOfLe-loLang
02-09-2009, 12:38 PM
add in his fumbles then get back to us. Anyone who tries to poo poo the fact Jay has a turnover problem is kidding themselves.

Until Cutler stops turning ball over, and often in redzone, Broncos won't be able to win enough games to make the playoffs.

While i agree his turnovers are a concern (especially his inability to read underneath coverage), using the probowl as evidence is asinine

toad
02-09-2009, 12:40 PM
Meh - Pro Bowl...no biggie.

I will say, though, that Cutler and Marshall both seemed to display a microcosm of last season though. Marshall dropping catchable balls and Jay makes a questionable desperation throw that gets picked (on top of overthrowing multiple balls).

To defend Jay, though, he was thrown into the game in the 4th quarter with the game on the line and had no rythem as he'd been on the sidelines. for the first 3+ quarters.

The thing that still concerns me about Cutler is that he doesn't seem to have that winning "it" about him. I do worry that not winning at the college-level has some impact on his mentality and outlook on the game. To me, that's what makes Rivers the better QB right now...he has that "it," that "I'm a winner" leadership quality I don't see in Jay right now (Rivers won 4 bowls plus the Senior Bowl in college). I like to use the Tiger Woods example...Earl Woods intentionlly didn't let Tiger compete out of his age range as a jr golfer because he wanted Tiger to get the feel of winning and pulverizing his oppenents (see Michelle Wie for the oppisite example). Jay seems to sulk and, at times, seems indifferent to the scoreboard which worries me.

HEAV
02-09-2009, 12:52 PM
Ya no rythm for Jay and the desperate dump off was typical for Jay. Marshall had a TD in his hands (from Manning) and it just got lost.

But Jay and Marsh had a nice looking fade pass in the corner. Just Marsh was pushed out/could get both feet in bounds.

But Jay was working some passes with Welker! Kinda giving a glimpse of what could be next year!

Both tackles where jokes...even more proof that Clady should have been there!

My only gripe was taking a knee to end the game. I know it's too avoid any injures...but it felt wrong.

Oh ya Larry Fitz is a superstar freak now! I hope Brandon works his ass off to be a play maker like that!

snowspot66
02-09-2009, 01:07 PM
add in his fumbles then get back to us. Anyone who tries to poo poo the fact Jay has a turnover problem is kidding themselves.

Until Cutler stops turning ball over, and often in redzone, Broncos won't be able to win enough games to make the playoffs.

His fumble numbers have gone down dramatically every year. From 8 in a handful of games in 06, to 11 in 07, to 5 in 08. Out of those 8 of 24 have been lost. How do you want to handle the fumbles? Figure them into pass plays only like INT's or every play? Let's just figure them by pass attempts since that actually helps your argument and it makes sense. Most fumbles by the QB are on passing plays. We'll count every fumble, not just fumbles lost.

Adding up the numbers for his career he's at 5%. Those first two years were rough. Last year alone he was at 3.7%.

Using this little math equation in comparison to a group of other QB's in the league.

Cutler - 3.7% (616 AT, 18 INT, 5 FUM) PB
Brees - 3.62% (635 AT, 17 INT, 6 FUM) PB
Rivers - 3.97%(478 AT, 11 INT, 8 FUM)
P. Manning - 2.34% (555 AT, 12 INT, 1 FUM) PB
McNabb - 3.15% (571 AT, 11 INT, 7 FUM)
Collins - 3.61% (415 AT, 7 INT, 5 FUM) PB
E. Manning - 3.13% (479 AT, 10 INT, 5 FUM) PB
Roethlisberger - 6.18% (469 AT, 15 INT, 14 FUM)
Cassel - 3.48% (516 AT, 11 INT, 7 FUM)
Warner - 4.18% (598 AT, 14 INT, 11 FUM) PB
Rodgers - 4.29% (536 AT, 13 INT, 10 FUM)
Flacco - 5.37% (428 AT, 12 INT, 11 FUM)
Romo - 6% (450 AT, 14 INT, 13 FUM)

Looks to me like he's doing fairly well. He's not Peyton Manning yet but he's not Roethlisberger either. Last I checked Big Ben didn't have a hard time winning enough games to make the playoffs. In fact a lot of people were wishing we had him over Cutler.

By the way P. Mannings career % using this is 3.64%. Big Ben's is 5.30%.

Jays turnovers aren't really the problem. The problem is that when he turns the ball over it's so devastating. It's not like we can win if he doesn't play perfect. He's the driving force behind the offense and the offense is all we have.

Rigs11
02-09-2009, 01:48 PM
You don't watch football, do you?

Apparently alot more than you. What did you forget the san diego game already?

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/05nOdlR005992/340x.jpg

vancejohnson82
02-09-2009, 01:58 PM
Apparently alot more than you. What did you forget the san diego game already?

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/05nOdlR005992/340x.jpg


oh....the game that our defense made 1 stop the entire game??????

ONE STOP...


ONE...

ONE...

thats pathetic.....Shane Falco himself couldnt have kept us in that game

Hotrod
02-09-2009, 01:59 PM
Apparently alot more than you. What did you forget the san diego game already?

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/05nOdlR005992/340x.jpg

I know it; 52 other guys did their job in that game. Cutler lost the season

Florida_Bronco
02-09-2009, 02:05 PM
People are unreal.

If our players are still upbeat after a loss, they don't care. If they're sad after a loss, they don't have "it."

Rigs11
02-09-2009, 02:09 PM
How long does he get before we can question him?Anyone?

Hotrod
02-09-2009, 02:11 PM
How long does he get before we can question him?Anyone?

Fair enough question him but dont forget the other 52 guys who sucked ass down the strech.

Rigs11
02-09-2009, 02:12 PM
I know it; 52 other guys did their job in that game. Cutler lost the season
yep Cutler's 2 int's should be blamed on the other 52 players.

vancejohnson82
02-09-2009, 02:13 PM
How long does he get before we can question him?Anyone?

the day that he makes this team worse with him behind center...or the day there is some better option out there

Hotrod
02-09-2009, 02:15 PM
http://jj.am/gallery/d/75425-2/Hair_dryer_prank.gif

Rigs11
02-09-2009, 02:32 PM
the day that he makes this team worse with him behind center...or the day there is some better option out there

17-20 as a starter.

Florida_Bronco
02-09-2009, 02:35 PM
How long does he get before we can question him?Anyone?

Never.

vancejohnson82
02-09-2009, 02:40 PM
17-20 as a starter.

ok.....so instead of whining and piling on Cutler, why not start an intelligent thread about pursuing other options....or thinking about bringing in better backups...

or maybe...just maybe, we can field a defense so Jay doesnt have to put up 40 point games to win....maybe we can draft a RB who isn't made of tin...

I think the "Jay's Losing us Games" thread count is worthless without some sort of thinking that goes beyond just "he stinks" comments

Rigs11
02-09-2009, 02:48 PM
ok.....so instead of whining and piling on Cutler, why not start an intelligent thread about pursuing other options....or thinking about bringing in better backups...

or maybe...just maybe, we can field a defense so Jay doesnt have to put up 40 point games to win....maybe we can draft a RB who isn't made of tin...

I think the "Jay's Losing us Games" thread count is worthless without some sort of thinking that goes beyond just "he stinks" comments

Why don't you start a thread? I was commenting on this one that happens to be about cutler.i swear you people get your panties in a bunch everytime someone questions the guy.

Northman
02-09-2009, 03:02 PM
How long does he get before we can question him?Anyone?

Give him a couple of years. He just finished his second season in which he was put in a postion to win with his arm. Whether it was by bad decision making, bad play calling, or lack of a running game the point is he really wasnt put in the best situation to succeed this year yet gave it his best. If he is still making these mistakes 2 more years down the road than you can get your guillotine.

broncosteven
02-09-2009, 03:09 PM
Give him a couple of years. He just finished his second season in which he was put in a postion to win with his arm. Whether it was by bad decision making, bad play calling, or lack of a running game the point is he really wasnt put in the best situation to succeed this year yet gave it his best. If he is still making these mistakes 2 more years down the road than you can get your guillotine.

People aren't happy that only Shanny got the ax. THey want out Pro bowl players to get the ax also as we have such a kick assed team with out them.

toad
02-09-2009, 03:12 PM
For the record, despite my concerns around him being the only real talent on his college team (and the outlook losing can give someone), I'm a Cutler fan and supporter.

vancejohnson82
02-09-2009, 06:31 PM
Why don't you start a thread? I was commenting on this one that happens to be about cutler.i swear you people get your panties in a bunch everytime someone questions the guy.

nobody gets their panties in a bunch...its just that people like yourself just reiterate the same garbage in every single thread....this was about the Pro Bowl and you used it as a forum to bring up your Anti-Cutler views and how this franchise hasnt won behind him

I'm just looking for some original thought ....guess I'm in the wrong place

Arkie
02-09-2009, 08:03 PM
How long does he get before we can question him?Anyone?

A few years removed from the pro bowl for starters.

broncosteven
02-09-2009, 08:16 PM
A few years removed from the pro bowl for starters.

When he quits football for Handball...

Spider
02-09-2009, 08:39 PM
nobody gets their panties in a bunch...its just that people like yourself just reiterate the same garbage in every single thread....this was about the Pro Bowl and you used it as a forum to bring up your Anti-Cutler views and how this franchise hasnt won behind him

I'm just looking for some original thought ....guess I'm in the wrong place
the message board 2 web sites down

JJJ
02-09-2009, 09:51 PM
Here's a neat stat: career interception percentage

Pro Bowlers
Brees - 2.7%
Peyton - 2.8%
Cutler - 3.0%
Warner - 3.2%
Eli - 3.2%
Collins - 3.2%
Favre - 3.3%

Former Broncos:
Elway - 3.1%
Griese - 3.5%
Plummer - 3.7%


You conveniently left out Rivers - 2.5%

snowspot66
02-10-2009, 07:10 AM
Phillis didn't make the Pro Bowl. Why would he include him in his list of this years Pro Bowlers and former Bronco QB's?

Circle Orange
02-10-2009, 08:06 AM
It's the end of everything as we know it. And worse than that. zowie!

toad
02-10-2009, 08:24 AM
Phillis didn't make the Pro Bowl. Why would he include him in his list of this years Pro Bowlers and former Bronco QB's?

Technically he was invited to the Pro Bowl - he was the 1st alternate to Favre and his bowing out allowed Collins to play.

snowspot66
02-10-2009, 08:44 AM
Oh yes that's right. Fair enough.

TonyR
02-10-2009, 08:58 AM
Name a free agent, or rookie QB you would want THIS YEAR to replace him.....


I don't think anybody wants to "replace" him necessarily. What I think people do want is to see him progress and grow more, to become more of a "winner" and "leader", and to start being less about skill and potential and more about results. I'm rooting hard for the guy to succeed but you have to admit he's still maddeningly inconsistent and error prone, and he could definitely carry himself better at times. It's also frustrating to see him get outperformed by Rivers. I'm hopeful that McDaniels can help bring out the best in Jay.

vancejohnson82
02-10-2009, 09:06 AM
I don't think anybody wants to "replace" him necessarily. What I think people do want is to see him progress and grow more, to become more of a "winner" and "leader", and to start being less about skill and potential and more about results. I'm rooting hard for the guy to succeed but you have to admit he's still maddeningly inconsistent and error prone, and he could definitely carry himself better at times. It's also frustrating to see him get outperformed by Rivers. I'm hopeful that McDaniels can help bring out the best in Jay.

Tony,

Totally agree on all points....but the comparison to Rivers isn't fair. He was a guy that was brought on to a contender and asked to throw 15-20 passes a game at first...obviously, he progressed as the seasons went on, but he has had a tremendous amount of talent put around him...

Now, you can argue that Jay has a lot of talent around him on offense, but the running game being inconsistent (at best) has put a lot more of the weight on his shoulders....we are asking him to toss up 30 passes a game, and cover up the blemishes of a defense that gives up touchdowns and sets our offense up inside its own 20 very often.

From a team standpoint there is a long way to go in order to compete. I woudl say as the team improves, so will Jay's performance...and vice versa.

Using the San Diego game as a measuring stick isn't fair. That defense was NOT going to make a stop all game and it was apparent to everyone watching and in the stadium. As a quarterback, your mindset doesnt turn into a first down by first down mentality but rather switches to "we need to score NOW" every single time you drop back...

Rigs11
02-10-2009, 09:57 AM
nobody gets their panties in a bunch...its just that people like yourself just reiterate the same garbage in every single thread....this was about the Pro Bowl and you used it as a forum to bring up your Anti-Cutler views and how this franchise hasnt won behind him

I'm just looking for some original thought ....guess I'm in the wrong place

You call it garbage because we bash your idol. Calling him out on his ints and his shetti as moping evrytime the game doesn't go his way is not garbage. What's garbage is people like you that think we are piling on someone that should be the leader of this team. Someone that makes million of dollars and somehow you feel that you need to come in and defend him for his shetti play.It's not anti-cutler it's reality.

vancejohnson82
02-10-2009, 10:12 AM
You call it garbage because we bash your idol. Calling him out on his ints and his shetti as moping evrytime the game doesn't go his way is not garbage. What's garbage is people like you that think we are piling on someone that should be the leader of this team. Someone that makes million of dollars and somehow you feel that you need to come in and defend him for his shetti play.It's not anti-cutler it's reality.


(YAWN)

The guy made the Pro Bowl this year and had the team a game away from making the playoffs. He's not even close to my idol, although I do completely respect the guy (Elway will always hold the "idol" spot).

I'm not saying that you don't have the right to pick apart his game here and there...that's fine. But the "he doesnt have it" or "why does he mope" views are complete and utter ignorance.

Peyton Manning was ripped apart for the same exact things...he couldnt win big games...he looked frustrated and mopey when the game went wrong....etc, etc...if you remember he had a game in NY where he was picked off like 4 times and the Jets beat them by 40 and the Manning doesnt have it talk came to a head...i'm sure there were people in Indy that were sick of it and ready to trade him.....imagine if they did??

if you want I can post pics of Manning with his head down and looking "mopey"...will that make my case stronger?

Sassy
02-10-2009, 10:14 AM
(YAWN)

The guy made the Pro Bowl this year and had the team a game away from making the playoffs. He's not even close to my idol, although I do completely respect the guy (Elway will always hold the "idol" spot).

I'm not saying that you don't have the right to pick apart his game here and there...that's fine. But the "he doesnt have it" or "why does he mope" views are complete and utter ignorance.

Peyton Manning was ripped apart for the same exact things...he couldnt win big games...he looked frustrated and mopey when the game went wrong....etc, etc...if you remember he had a game in NY where he was picked off like 4 times and the Jets beat them by 40 and the Manning doesnt have it talk came to a head...i'm sure there were people in Indy that were sick of it and ready to trade him.....imagine if they did??

if you want I can post pics of Manning with his head down and looking "mopey"...will that make my case stronger?

Favre was the same way...and when Elway got picked in SB32...he was hanging his head.

oubronco
02-10-2009, 10:19 AM
Favre was the same way...and when Elway got picked in SB32...he was hanging his head.

we don't need any of that sexual inuindo in here young lady ;D

Rigs11
02-10-2009, 10:31 AM
(YAWN)

The guy made the Pro Bowl this year and had the team a game away from making the playoffs. He's not even close to my idol, although I do completely respect the guy (Elway will always hold the "idol" spot).

I'm not saying that you don't have the right to pick apart his game here and there...that's fine. But the "he doesnt have it" or "why does he mope" views are complete and utter ignorance.

Peyton Manning was ripped apart for the same exact things...he couldnt win big games...he looked frustrated and mopey when the game went wrong....etc, etc...if you remember he had a game in NY where he was picked off like 4 times and the Jets beat them by 40 and the Manning doesnt have it talk came to a head...i'm sure there were people in Indy that were sick of it and ready to trade him.....imagine if they did??

if you want I can post pics of Manning with his head down and looking "mopey"...will that make my case stronger?last time I checked Manning played for the Colts. I could give a rat's ass if manning was mopey or not.So far Cutler, who plays for the broncos, has not shown the leadership that comes at the qb position.

vancejohnson82
02-10-2009, 10:39 AM
last time I checked Manning played for the Colts. I could give a rat's ass if manning was mopey or not.So far Cutler, who plays for the broncos, has not shown the leadership that comes at the qb position.

ok....so we can only compare Cutler to Broncos...i see, that's interesting.

How can you not see the relevance in the early Manning or early Favre comparisons? I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are stubborn and not stupid....if you want to have football conversation and not just a "bash and run" type of posting, feel free to respond...otherwise, this has really run its course

Sassy
02-10-2009, 10:40 AM
we don't need any of that sexual inuindo in here young lady ;D

WHo me? I'd never do that. Ask Hogan :devil: :wiggle:

Kaylore
02-10-2009, 10:41 AM
last time I checked Manning played for the Colts. I could give a rat's ass if manning was mopey or not.So far Cutler, who plays for the broncos, has not shown the leadership that comes at the qb position.

Now hear this! Rigs11 has decreed that we cannot use other excellent QB's as a frame of reference for what makes a good QB. Rigs11 has Spoken!

SonOfLe-loLang
02-10-2009, 10:57 AM
Now hear this! Rigs11 has decreed that we cannot use other excellent QB's as a frame of reference for what makes a good QB. Rigs11 has Spoken!

He also has private access to our huddle! We should listen!

Rigs11
02-10-2009, 11:49 AM
Now hear this! Rigs11 has decreed that we cannot use other excellent QB's as a frame of reference for what makes a good QB. Rigs11 has Spoken!
Ahh kaylore I always enjoy your insightful posts.If you want to keep making excuses for cutler by bringing up QB's from other teams have at it.Same way you made excuses for shanny,look how that turned out.

Rigs11
02-10-2009, 11:52 AM
He also has private access to our huddle! We should listen!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/06/Crocker1.JPG


Leave Jay Alone!!!!

snowspot66
02-10-2009, 11:57 AM
Ahh kaylore I always enjoy your insightful posts.If you want to keep making excuses for cutler by bringing up QB's from other teams have at it.Same way you made excuses for shanny,look how that turned out.

So you stand by the position that we can't compare anybody in the Broncos uniform to other historical standards of greatness?

You're basically saying he has to be God. He has to do everything perfect and if the great QB's of the past did something you view as wrong it doesn't matter. It only matters if he does it and if he does it it's even worse than when they did it. Pretty massive double standard.

Rigs11
02-10-2009, 12:13 PM
So you stand by the position that we can't compare anybody in the Broncos uniform to other historical standards of greatness?

You're basically saying he has to be God. He has to do everything perfect and if the great QB's of the past did something you view as wrong it doesn't matter. It only matters if he does it and if he does it it's even worse than when they did it. Pretty massive double standard.
I'm in no position to tell you to do anything.Now you are just putting words in my mouth. I stated that he has to be a leader. Where did i ever say he has to be God or perfect?

oubronco
02-10-2009, 12:18 PM
WHo me? I'd never do that. Ask Hogan :devil: :wiggle:

RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT ;)

snowspot66
02-10-2009, 12:21 PM
I'm in no position to tell you to do anything.Now you are just putting words in my mouth. I stated that he has to be a leader. Where did i ever say he has to be God or perfect?

You stated you don't care if Manning did the same things as Jay has done. Manning has turned into one of the best QB's ever yet Jay doing something Manning has done is not only wrong but borderline inexcusable because Jay did it and you don't care if Manning did it at one point. It's only okay to compare favorable stats and not the struggles?

He is a leader. He is the leader. Maybe he's not the leader you would be but he's getting the job done and will only get better. He's in good company.

TonyR
02-10-2009, 12:24 PM
...but the comparison to Rivers isn't fair...

I agree, not a totally "fair" comparison. But as much as it pains me to admit he (Rivers) has played well in the face of adversity. When he's had injuries around him (particularly to Tomlinson and Gates) and injuries himself he's still performed well down the stretch and in the playoffs. That's what I want Jay to do, rise up and excel even under less than ideal circumstances. I think he can, but he's got to want it and work for it. Again, I hope McDaniels is the one to help him get there.

TonyR
02-10-2009, 12:29 PM
How can you not see the relevance in the early Manning or early Favre comparisons?

My only issue with those comparisons is that Manning and Favre were both winners early on.

Manning took over a terrible, 3-13 team. They went 3-13 his rookie year but then 13-3 his second year.

Favre took over a bad 4-12 team and went 9-7 his first 3 seasons and then 11-5 his 4th.

To be fair, it must be noted that neither Manning nor Favre turned those teams around on their own. But they were both the largest factors in the resurgence of both teams. Let's hope ours starts this year!

snowspot66
02-10-2009, 12:46 PM
My only issue with those comparisons is that Manning and Favre were both winners early on.

Manning took over a terrible, 3-13 team. They went 3-13 his rookie year but then 13-3 his second year.

Favre took over a bad 4-12 team and went 9-7 his first 3 seasons and then 11-5 his 4th.

To be fair, it must be noted that neither Manning nor Favre turned those teams around on their own. But they were both the largest factors in the resurgence of both teams. Let's hope ours starts this year!

If you include Favre shouldn't that vindicate Jay? The team went 7-9 and then 8-8 and upon reflection we should all be amazed how it happened with the defenses we had. I don't remember any of the specifics of Manning's second season but I'm sure there are some qualifiers to it too.