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montrose
02-05-2009, 02:07 PM
Per ESPN

Jason in LA
02-05-2009, 02:07 PM
Wow, that guy is now rich!

Archer81
02-05-2009, 02:08 PM
25% of the cap tied up in 2 QB's?


:Broncos:

Hotrod
02-05-2009, 02:09 PM
Wow, that guy is now rich!

No crap that is going to be alot of $ for a backup QB.

How does this work can someone still trade for him like KC giving up their draft or something. Oh wait Carl Peterson is gone.

crowebomber
02-05-2009, 02:11 PM
Maybe the Patriots know that Pioli loved the guy or something and that he'll trade the farm and open the wallet to get him. I don't understand why you franchise a backup qb unless you think someone else is going to trade a lot to make him their starter. Can someone smarter than me explain?

SonOfLe-loLang
02-05-2009, 02:11 PM
It was their only move

Beantown Bronco
02-05-2009, 02:12 PM
How does this work can someone still trade for him like KC giving up their draft or something. Oh wait Carl Peterson is gone.

Depends on if Cassel signs it. If he doesn't, then the team can negotiate whatever draft pick compensation they want. If he does sign it, the other team is required to give up their next 2 first rounders.

montrose
02-05-2009, 02:12 PM
How does this work can someone still trade for him like KC giving up their draft or something.

1) He can be traded to another team if they reach an agreement with New England.

2) He could sign an offer sheet with another team and New England could either match or receive two 1st round draft choices.

3) He could sign an automatic 1-year tender at the average salary of the tip 5 QB's in the league.

4) He could holdout.

crowebomber
02-05-2009, 02:14 PM
1) He can be traded to another team if they reach an agreement with New England.

2) He could sign an offer sheet with another team and New England could either match or receive two 1st round draft choices.

3) He could sign an automatic 1-year tender at the average salary of the tip 5 QB's in the league.

4) He could holdout.

Thanks!!

telluride
02-05-2009, 02:14 PM
Whatever happens, the Past are going to make out like a bandit. Again. Multiple draft picks for what, an initial 6th rounder or something?

Hotrod
02-05-2009, 02:15 PM
1) He can be traded to another team if they reach an agreement with New England.

2) He could sign an offer sheet with another team and New England could either match or receive two 1st round draft choices.

3) He could sign an automatic 1-year tender at the average salary of the tip 5 QB's in the league.

4) He could holdout.

Damn I would love the chiefs to toss 2 1sts for him.

montrose
02-05-2009, 02:17 PM
I don't understand why you franchise a backup qb unless you think someone else is going to trade a lot to make him their starter. Can someone smarter than me explain?

1) His value was too high to simply let walk. He proved last year he can be a very good NFL starting QB and they can get value for that is another team is interested.

2) Brady is coming off a major injury so Cassel is insurance not only if Brady isn't ready to start the season or gets hurt again - but he can lead the 1st unit throughout OTAs and camp if they want to work Brady back in.

3) They've got the cap space to do it.

Archer81
02-05-2009, 02:25 PM
1) His value was too high to simply let walk. He proved last year he can be a very good NFL starting QB and they can get value for that is another team is interested.

2) Brady is coming off a major injury so Cassel is insurance not only if Brady isn't ready to start the season or gets hurt again - but he can lead the 1st unit throughout OTAs and camp if they want to work Brady back in.

3) They've got the cap space to do it.



Who had Moss and Welker to throw to...even then he got sacked ALOT, shows he needs to work on his decision making, but he appears to be pretty solid.


:Broncos:

SouthStndJunkie
02-05-2009, 02:25 PM
New England really had no choice but to do this.

I wonder what his actual trade value will be?

You know New England will start out asking for 2 first round picks.

My guess is that they would trade him for a 1st and some change....maybe just a 1st round pick, as they don't want to pay a backup $14 million bucks for a year.

montrose
02-05-2009, 02:31 PM
Whatever happens, the Past are going to make out like a bandit. Again. Multiple draft picks for what, an initial 6th rounder or something?

The benefit of drafting and developing a QB. The Pats had a pretty respectable season considering they lost their league MVP of a QB on opening day. Most teams would've went into the tank but their season kept interest generated in the team and I'd bet they didn't lose much revenue from missing Brady. It's part of the reason that at some point I'd like to see the Broncos draft and develop a backup to Cutler. Not only to protect the team in case of an injury but to be an asset long-term. Seeing McDaniels is coming directly from this situation I'm sure it's something he's thought about and passed on to Jim Goodman. Quarterbacks are the greatest asset in the NFL, why wouldn't you want to develop them if you can?

If you think about it, worst case scenario for the Pats (other than him holding out which has about a 1% chance of happening), is they have a very expensive insurance policy at QB for a season and then find themselves back here again next season. With the cap being where it's at for all teams, I doubt this will effect their ability to sign someone they want as New England's never been an out-bidding type of team (honestly that's what bad teams have to do).

Damn I would love the chiefs to toss 2 1sts for him.

I don't think it's happened since Joey Galloway. Draft picks are valued much higher than they used to be. The most I can recall a franchise guy being dealt for recently is a 1st and 3rd.

Who had Moss and Welker to throw to...even then he got sacked ALOT, shows he needs to work on his decision making, but he appears to be pretty solid.

One of the reasons the QB position is so valuable in the NFL is that there are so few good ones. We all know Cassel took too many sacks and had the benefit of playing in the McDaniels-offense with Welker and Moss, but the potential seems to be there and that's enough in a league with few good QBs.

My guess is that they would trade him for a 1st and some change....maybe just a 1st round pick, as they don't want to pay a backup $14 million bucks for a year.

Just a gut feeling, but I think they want the insurance on Brady until Kevin O'Connell is ready. I could definitely be wrong, and if so, my guess would be the bidding will center around a 1st and 3rd.

no-pseudo-fan
02-05-2009, 02:36 PM
I say buyer beware!

I would hope no one is stupid enough to give even a 2nd for Cassel. He is an excellant back-up QB on a good team, that is it. The Patriots maybe over playing their hand on this one. They franchised him because they think they can rip another team off, and they are not sure about Brady being ready for the season. If I were Cassel's agent, I would tell him to sign now.

The reason I say that the league will not give more than a 2nd was because of what happened with Derek Anderson last year. Everyone thought he was the bee's knees, where is he now. GM and owner's will look at that, and I think it will keep them from making the leap.

hades
02-05-2009, 02:39 PM
I wonder if they know something about Brady they are not telling everyone?

azbroncfan
02-05-2009, 02:41 PM
I'll bet they deal him to the Chiefs in a swap of first rounders or chefs 2nd and second day pick and next years 1st or something.

Kaylore
02-05-2009, 02:43 PM
2) He could sign an offer sheet with another team and New England could either match or receive two 1st round draft choices.


I thought once you were franchised other teams couldn't touch you. Isn't that the point of the tag? What you described is how RFA's are handled...

Hotrod
02-05-2009, 02:44 PM
What would he benifit from holding out? The only thing I can figure it if he gets traded he would still have his rookie contract???

theAPAOps5
02-05-2009, 02:49 PM
Man he gets the best seat to watch football, all the best access, and he gets PAID! Congratulations Cassel.

BroncoMan4ever
02-05-2009, 02:56 PM
Maybe the Patriots know that Pioli loved the guy or something and that he'll trade the farm and open the wallet to get him. I don't understand why you franchise a backup qb unless you think someone else is going to trade a lot to make him their starter. Can someone smarter than me explain?

it's insurance in case Brady hits a roadblock and can't return on time next season, and if he is on schedule to return Cassel can be traded for some good high draft picks

ludo21
02-05-2009, 03:02 PM
This is the only thing they could have done.

I hope the Chiefs are stupid and trade him for 2 firsts.

no-pseudo-fan
02-05-2009, 03:05 PM
This is the only thing they could have done.

I hope the Chiefs are stupid and trade him for 2 firsts.

I don't, that makes NE better. I want Denver to win some Super Bowl's, and having an aging team getting 2 1's for a 6th is not going to help us.

oubronco
02-05-2009, 03:08 PM
Maybe the Patriots know that Pioli loved the guy or something and that he'll trade the farm and open the wallet to get him. I don't understand why you franchise a backup qb unless you think someone else is going to trade a lot to make him their starter. Can someone smarter than me explain?

or maybe Thomas Brady isn't doing so well rehabing

BroncoMan4ever
02-05-2009, 03:26 PM
1) His value was too high to simply let walk. He proved last year he can be a very good NFL starting QB and they can get value for that is another team is interested.

2) Brady is coming off a major injury so Cassel is insurance not only if Brady isn't ready to start the season or gets hurt again - but he can lead the 1st unit throughout OTAs and camp if they want to work Brady back in.

3) They've got the cap space to do it.

i don't think he is all that good. it's the team around him. any QB in the league could win in NE as long as they don't make stupid mistakes. and i feel the same way about Brady. put either on a different team and they end up as backups.

Spider
02-05-2009, 03:28 PM
meh 1 good doctors note gets Cassel out of this ;D. it work for evander Holyfield

NFLBRONCO
02-05-2009, 03:28 PM
NE is lucky some stupid team will snap him up.

montrose
02-05-2009, 03:55 PM
I thought once you were franchised other teams couldn't touch you. Isn't that the point of the tag? What you described is how RFA's are handled...

That's how the Exclusive Rights Franchise Tag works. Also, the average is from the top 5 salaries of that position in April of the year in which the tag is applied (so 2009 in this case) or 120% of that player's previous year's salary if it's greater (which in this case it isn't).

Non-Exclusive franchise tagged players can sign an offer sheet from another team that can be matched for automatic resigning or decline and receive two 1st round picks. Also, this tag's average is the top 5 position salaries from the previous year or 120% increase (whichever is greater).

i don't think he is all that good. it's the team around him. any QB in the league could win in NE as long as they don't make stupid mistakes. and i feel the same way about Brady. put either on a different team and they end up as backups.

I think it remains to be seen how Cassel will do without McDaniels system but Brady's a very good QB. He's not greatest-of-all-time like ESPN makes him out to be, but he makes very good decisions, has great pocket presence and has an underrated arm.

Killericon
02-05-2009, 03:59 PM
I saw someone suggest Julius Peppers for Matt Cassell in a tag for tag swap...I think it'd be genius.

cutthemdown
02-05-2009, 04:07 PM
Pats think they can trade him for a first round pick. Smart move.

loborugger
02-05-2009, 05:36 PM
Damn I would love the chiefs to toss 2 1sts for him.

I wouldnt. KC doesnt have a clue how to deal with a first round pick. New England does. Giving them 2 first round picks means they will probably be in the AFC play off picture for the next 8 years... not that they might not anyways.

Miss I.
02-05-2009, 05:37 PM
Though I suppose KC is used to getting Patriot's back up QBs. Wasn't Huard a back up for Brady during at least 2 of his SB wins?

boltaneer
02-05-2009, 06:00 PM
Hopefully, other teams will see how NE did it all with smoke and mirrors with Cassel. They couldn't throw downfield with Cassel as QB last year, even with Randy Moss. I don't want to see NE get more 1st round picks. They seem to get them from some idiot GM every year.

Seeing them get stuck with Cassel and having to pay that huge salary would be great.

If I were the Chiefs, I would stick with Thigpen over Cassel and draft a QB this year.

cutthemdown
02-05-2009, 06:05 PM
Hopefully, other teams will see how NE did it all with smoke and mirrors with Cassel. They couldn't throw downfield with Cassel as QB last year, even with Randy Moss. I don't want to see NE get more 1st round picks. They seem to get them from some idiot GM every year.

Seeing them get stuck with Cassel and having to pay that huge salary would be great.

If I were the Chiefs, I would stick with Thigpen over Cassel and draft a QB this year.

Cassal was making good decisions and nice throws by end of yr. I wouldnt say hes a sure thing but hes more then just smoke and mirrors.

ayjackson
02-05-2009, 06:20 PM
If Roy Williams is worth first and a third, Cassell is worth more than that. Detroit could trade those same Cowboy picks and make out like a bandit with a franchise LT #1 overall and Matt Cassell for Roy Williams.

There's a lot of teams that need a QB and Cassell is a better prospect than anybody available in the draft. A lot of the teams don't draft that high either (Minn, Chi, TB, Det(Dal)).

Anybody who thinks he's not that good didn't watch him the last half of the season. He really impressed.

TonyR
02-05-2009, 07:04 PM
If Roy Williams is worth first and a third...

Well, he's not. Jerry Jones is an idiot.

strafen
02-05-2009, 07:25 PM
What would he benifit from holding out? The only thing I can figure it if he gets traded he would still have his rookie contract???He's not holding out, trust me on that one!
What could happen is that they may end up trading Tom Brady. He'll be 32 this year and with 5 years still left in his prime, the time could be now to make a deal.
Perhaps unlikely, but not at all out of the question...

Miss I.
02-05-2009, 07:28 PM
He's not holding out, trust me on that one!
What could happen is that they may end up trading Tom Brady. He'll be 32 this year and with 5 years still left in his prime, the time could be now to make a deal.
Perhaps unlikely, but not at all out of the question...

Trade Tom Brady? He's the face of the franchise. That would be like trading Joe Montana and that would never happen....oh wait... um nevermind...:sunshine:

strafen
02-05-2009, 08:16 PM
Trade Tom Brady? He's the face of the franchise. That would be like trading Joe Montana and that would never happen....oh wait... um nevermind...:sunshine:They said the same thing about Drew Bledsoe ROFL!

Popps
02-05-2009, 09:37 PM
Boob has confirmed that Tom Brady will be traded to K.C..

The deal is done.

strafen
02-05-2009, 09:39 PM
Boob has confirmed that Tom Brady will be traded to K.C..

The deal is done.
LOL

Man-Goblin
02-05-2009, 09:52 PM
The Pats aren't trading Tom Brady. That's just silly. This is an insurance and bargaining policy. If you let him go for nothing, you're screwed out of your asset.

If you trade him you get something. If he signs, you can trade him, or you have insurance for an unsure situation with Brady.

If I'm Cassel, I sign this thing yesterday. The best thing that could happen to him is if he sits on the bench and earns almost $15 mil. His value, at worst, would stay the same next year when he hits the open market.

BroncoMan4ever
02-06-2009, 12:02 AM
damn, he is going to get 14.65 million for next season.

the only QB worth that right now is Peyton.

Beantown Bronco
02-06-2009, 06:37 AM
Whatever happens, the Past are going to make out like a bandit. Again.

Whatever happens? Not true. He very well could end up in a Pats uniform next year as a backup if no team likes what the Pats are demanding in a trade. That would hardly equate to "making out like a bandit."

Garcia Bronco
02-06-2009, 06:38 AM
Dumb move by the pats, unless Brady isn't playing next year.

redrage
02-06-2009, 07:07 AM
You could argue he's worth the #3 pick in the draft (from KC's perspective). If Pioli (and presumably Haley) deem Cassel a bona fide starter, which Pioli would have unusual insight on (work habits, demeanor, et.al.), then a first round pick for Cassel wouldn't be out of line.

Should KC draft a QB with the #3 pick, he'll probably cost more AND there will be that level of uncertainty on whether or not he'll develop into a solid starter.

2 first round picks? That's a little steep for any player, IMO. But Cassel is young enough and plays an important enough position (QB) that it could turn out to be worth it.

Would you give up two #1's to get Cutler knowing what you know now about him? I think most of the board would, if not all. Cassel could end up being that valuable. It is a QB league.

montrose
02-06-2009, 09:31 AM
I wonder if Cassel's considering accepting the tender now before he's traded. It would mean a year on the bench, but would allow him to bank-in big time and go into free agency next year and pick the team he best wanted to QB.

Beantown Bronco
02-06-2009, 09:36 AM
I wonder if Cassel's considering accepting the tender now before he's traded. It would mean a year on the bench, but would allow him to bank-in big time and go into free agency next year and pick the team he best wanted to QB.

Signing the tender now doesn't guarantee he'll be a FA next year. You can be franchised in back to back years.

montrose
02-06-2009, 09:51 AM
Signing the tender now doesn't guarantee he'll be a FA next year. You can be franchised in back to back years.

That's true I forgot about that. Although, I wonder what NE's cap situation, free agents, etc. are looking like next year. I just think if I'm a QB - I'd like to pick my destination if possible. Plus, that tendered salary is looking really nice. If they tag him again next year, he could just accept again.