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azbroncfan
02-05-2009, 01:45 PM
I'm bored so lets do another up in the night speculation time wasting thread.


Scenerio 1

CB Bly, Bell
OLB Sintin/Matthews/English round 3 pick
DE Thomas, Peterson
NT Haynesworth 3-5 round pick on backup
DE Antonio Smith FA, Powell or EE whoever plays better in TC
OLB Try Elvis and Moss
CB Bailey, J. Williams, Rossum
ILB Rey M, Larsen
ILB DJ, WW
S Sean Jones, rookie
S Chung in 2nd, Barrett


Scenerio 2

Keep everything the same and the only position changes would be

NT Raji, trade pick to 49ers for Ron Fields and they can battle for starting job

Jack OLB Peppers, Moss/Elvis Elvis more of nickle rush end

ILB Eric Barton or Channing Crowder

S Sharper



Nickle DL Scenerio 1

DE Elvis
DT Haynesworth/Thomas
DT Smith/Peterson/EE
DE Moss or OLB


Scenerio 2

DE Elvis
DT Peterson/Raji
DT Smith/EE/Thomas
DE Peppers

SonOfLe-loLang
02-05-2009, 01:59 PM
im confused just looking at it. but you play too much madden

Flex Gunmetal
02-05-2009, 02:24 PM
Truth

azbroncfan
02-05-2009, 02:33 PM
im confused just looking at it. but you play too much madden

Why is that? I don't even own madden but tell me why my scenerios aren't somewhat realistic? I'm not one of the guys saying sign Peppers, Haynesworth, Dansby, and Atogwe. In fact didn't you start a sign Haynesworth thread?

BroncoMan4ever
02-05-2009, 02:54 PM
Haynesworth won't play NT, there is no glory in it.

and i refuse to jump on board with signing Peppers to probably the richest DL contract in NFL history to play a position he never has played before.

Kaylore
02-05-2009, 02:55 PM
I love your choice of Chung. I'm scared of Malalugha, though. Not because he sucks, but because he's from USC and has knee issues and USC players bust a lot.

Haynesworth is a "me" player who will probably pack it in once he gets paid.

Sean Jones? Why him (other than the fact that any safety is better than our current crop)?

Inkana7
02-05-2009, 02:58 PM
He has knee issues? Since when?

Spider
02-05-2009, 03:05 PM
I'm bored so lets do another up in the night speculation time wasting thread.


Scenerio 1

CB Bly, Bell
OLB Sintin/Matthews/English round 3 pick
DE Thomas, Peterson
NT Haynesworth 3-5 round pick on backup
DE Antonio Smith FA, Powell or EE whoever plays better in TC
OLB Try Elvis and Moss
CB Bailey, J. Williams, Rossum
ILB Rey M, Larsen
ILB DJ, WW
S Sean Jones, rookie
S Chung in 2nd, Barrett


Scenerio 2

Keep everything the same and the only position changes would be

NT Raji, trade pick to 49ers for Ron Fields and they can battle for starting job

Jack OLB Peppers, Moss/Elvis Elvis more of nickle rush end

ILB Eric Barton or Channing Crowder

S Sharper



Nickle DL Scenerio 1

DE Elvis
DT Haynesworth/Thomas
DT Smith/Peterson/EE
DE Moss or OLB


Scenerio 2

DE Elvis
DT Peterson/Raji
DT Smith/EE/Thomas
DE Peppers

Redskins tried this . too many stars not enough role players ..... I wouldnt mind seeing a big name on the D.L . maybe a Safety

oubronco
02-05-2009, 03:11 PM
**** Hanesworth he will play like shyt after his fat asss gets his money

NFLBRONCO
02-05-2009, 03:14 PM
**** Hanesworth he will play like shyt after his fat asss gets his money

Like 90% of them do. Haven't we learned about being in cap hell from before.

chaz
02-05-2009, 03:28 PM
Why is that? I don't even own madden but tell me why my scenerios aren't somewhat realistic? I'm not one of the guys saying sign Peppers, Haynesworth, Dansby, and Atogwe.

I like the scenarios (although I'm not a big ReyRey fan), but it just isn't realistic to count on a big name wanting to come to denver right now. It would be great and would obviously help the D a lot but projecting trades and FA is near impossible and comes off as maddenish.

All we can do now is hope for some good pickups in the offseason:thumbsup:

SonOfLe-loLang
02-05-2009, 03:29 PM
**** Hanesworth he will play like shyt after his fat asss gets his money

Comments like this are based on absolutely nothing.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-05-2009, 03:30 PM
I love your choice of Chung. I'm scared of Malalugha, though. Not because he sucks, but because he's from USC and has knee issues and USC players bust a lot.

Haynesworth is a "me" player who will probably pack it in once he gets paid.

Sean Jones? Why him (other than the fact that any safety is better than our current crop)?

A lot of USC also boom. They just put so goddamn many in the NFL that youre gonna have a lot of failures.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-05-2009, 03:32 PM
Reggie Bush - New Orleans Saints
Matt Cassel - New England Patriots
Shaun Cody - Detroit Lions
Justin Fargas - Oakland Raiders
Ryan Kalil - Carolina Panthers
Brian Kelly - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Sammy Knight - Jacksonville Jaguars
Matt Leinart - Arizona Cardinals
Deuce Lutui - Arizona Cardinals
Willie McGinest - Cleveland Browns
Billy Miller - New Orleans Saints
Carson Palmer - Cincinnati Bengals
Mike Patterson - Philadelphia Eagles
Troy Polamalu - Pittsburgh Steelers
Junior Seau - New England Patriots
Steve Smith - New York Giants
Lofa Tatupu - Seattle Seahawks
Kenechi Udeze - Minnesota Vikings
LenDale White - Tennessee Titans
Manuel Wright - New York Giants


Could be worse

Killericon
02-05-2009, 04:01 PM
Reggie Bush - New Orleans Saints
Matt Cassel - New England Patriots
Shaun Cody - Detroit Lions
Justin Fargas - Oakland Raiders
Ryan Kalil - Carolina Panthers
Brian Kelly - Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Sammy Knight - Jacksonville Jaguars
Matt Leinart - Arizona Cardinals
Deuce Lutui - Arizona Cardinals
Willie McGinest - Cleveland Browns
Billy Miller - New Orleans Saints
Carson Palmer - Cincinnati Bengals
Mike Patterson - Philadelphia Eagles
Troy Polamalu - Pittsburgh Steelers
Junior Seau - New England Patriots
Steve Smith - New York Giants
Lofa Tatupu - Seattle Seahawks
Kenechi Udeze - Minnesota Vikings
LenDale White - Tennessee Titans
Manuel Wright - New York Giants


Could be worse

Those are the ones that are still around.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-05-2009, 04:55 PM
Those are the ones that are still around.

I didnt say they had a 100 percent success rate, i said that they put SO many in the NFL, a lot will fail...but a lot of succeeded obviously too

Florida_Bronco
02-05-2009, 05:08 PM
Comments like this are based on absolutely nothing.

Wanna bet?

TDmvp
02-05-2009, 05:19 PM
He has knee issues? Since when?

If you don't know this , you most likely don't know enough about this subject to make such a thread ....

TheReverend
02-05-2009, 05:28 PM
If you don't know this , you most likely don't know enough about this subject to make such a thread ....

But he didn't make the thread...

TDmvp
02-05-2009, 05:37 PM
oops ... my bad , i own it ...

but still dude knees spook me ....

Fusionfrontman
02-05-2009, 05:39 PM
If we switch to a 3-4, I hate to say this but I dont see us picking up any of the BIG names, Haynesworth, Peppers or Suggs. Suggs is going no where and The 1st 2 are not going to switch to a new system.

SonOfLe-loLang
02-05-2009, 05:42 PM
If we switch to a 3-4, I hate to say this but I dont see us picking up any of the BIG names, Haynesworth, Peppers or Suggs. Suggs is going no where and The 1st 2 are not going to switch to a new system.

Peppers expressly said he'd like to play for a 3-4 team next year

strafen
02-05-2009, 05:47 PM
Stick with BJ Raji and hopefully we can get a couple of hidden gems in the draft. We've got about 10 picks, cjances are we can get at least 6 good ones if not more...

SonOfLe-loLang
02-05-2009, 05:49 PM
Stick with BJ Raji and hopefully we can get a couple of hidden gems in the draft. We've got about 10 picks, cjances are we can get at least 6 good ones if not more...

Youve been spoiled by recent broncos drafts

broncosteven
02-05-2009, 05:51 PM
Can we trade our entire D for Pittsburg's or Ravens entire D?

BroncoMan4ever
02-05-2009, 05:51 PM
Peppers expressly said he'd like to play for a 3-4 team next year

just because he would like to play in a 3-4 doesn't mean he will be any good in it.

for example i was a good high school pitcher and i'd like to be a pitcher for the Rockies, but it doesn't mean i would be any good for them.(although it is the Rockies, so it is possibloe i would be an upgrade)

El Minion
02-05-2009, 05:56 PM
Those are the ones that are still around.

Well these are the last six drafts for USC players, doesn't look like a lot of busts to me, except for Mike Williams:

Year Round Pick Player Name Team Position
2008 1 7 7 Sedrick Ellis Saints DT
1 9 9 Keith Rivers Bengals LB
1 21 21 Sam Baker Falcons T
1 28 28 Lawrence Jackson Seahawks DE
2 8 39 Chilo Rachal 49ers G
2 17 48 Fred Davis Redskins TE
2 32 63 Terrell Thomas Giants DB
5 2 137 John David Booty Vikings QB
5 20 155 Thomas Williams Jaguars LB
7 6 213 Chauncey Washington Jaguars RB
2007 2 13 45 Dwayne Jarrett Panthers WR
2 19 51 Steve Smith Giants WR
2 27 59 Ryan Kalil Panthers C
5 6 143 Dallas Sartz Redskins LB
7 1 211 Oscar Lua Patriots LB
2006 1 2 2 Reggie Bush Saints RB
1 10 10 Matt Leinart Cardinals QB
2 7 39 Winston Justice Eagles T
2 9 41 Taitusi (Deuce) Lutui Cardinals G
2 13 45 LenDale White Titans RB
3 27 91 Frostee Rucker Bengals DE
3 29 93 Dominique Byrd Rams TE
4 4 101 Darnell Bing Raiders DB
5 31 163 David Kirtman Seahawks RB
6 35 204 LaJuan Ramsey Eagles DT
7 9 217 Fred Matua Lions G
2005s 5 0 0 Manuel Wright Dolphins DT
2005 1 10 10 Mike Williams Lions WR
1 31 31 Mike Patterson Eagles DT
2 5 37 Shaun Cody Lions DT
2 13 45 Lofa Tatupu Seahawks LB
7 16 230 Matt Cassel Patriots QB
2004 1 20 20 Kenechi Udeze Vikings DE
2 20 52 Jacob Rogers Cowboys T
2 30 62 Keary Colbert Panthers WR
4 6 102 Will Poole Dolphins DB
2003 1 1 1 Carson Palmer Bengals QB
1 16 16 Troy Polamalu Steelers DB
3 32 96 Justin Fargas Raiders RB
6 30 203 Kareem Kelly Saints WR
7 4 218 Malaefou MacKenzie Jaguars RB

Archer81
02-05-2009, 06:16 PM
Not a single USC player in a Bronco uni...


:Broncos:

azbroncfan
02-05-2009, 06:26 PM
Haynesworth won't play NT, there is no glory in it.
and i refuse to jump on board with signing Peppers to probably the richest DL contract in NFL history to play a position he never has played before.

Haynesworth will play whereever he is paid the most. That is his determining factor for him and it will be a top DL contract.

Br0nc0Buster
02-05-2009, 07:06 PM
just because he would like to play in a 3-4 doesn't mean he will be any good in it.

for example i was a good high school pitcher and i'd like to be a pitcher for the Rockies, but it doesn't mean i would be any good for them.(although it is the Rockies, so it is possibloe i would be an upgrade)

Poor comparison
While there is no guarantee he will be good at OLB in a 34, he has the tools and pass rushing ability to succeed.
He has the athleticism to cover and blitz.

cutthemdown
02-05-2009, 07:33 PM
some of you would make such good GMS you should apply for a job with a team. It's sort of lame to try and determine what every move will be but if its a good time for you go ahead.

Basically how it works though is a team will make a list of the FA they like. FA will make lists of the teams the most want to play for. Agents and GMS talk on the phone and see if any on the lists match up. You can only visit with so many FA because you have only so much time.

Some of the scenarios won't be possible just because we don't know what players like the idea of coming to Denver.

The smart thing to do is for the Broncos to make a list of FA they like regardless of what position or who in the draft they like.

It's easy for us to say don't sign a safety in FA because there are 3 good ones in draft we can get in 3rd round. But when 3rd round comes along those guys might be gone etc.

You can't really plan the draft until you see what you lose, and what you can get in FA.

Fusionfrontman
02-05-2009, 09:24 PM
Had no idea he wanted to play for a 3-4 team. Pretty interesting. I think he would excell in it...We know how athletic he is and getting out of the trenches at his age would probably extend his career a little bit. Less wear and tear right?

Drek
02-06-2009, 02:48 AM
Signing Haynesworth to play NT or Peppers to play OLB is like hiring a hooker to build you a fence. Sure she's handled a lot of pole in her time but betting on some carry over isn't real smart.

Broncoman13
02-06-2009, 06:27 AM
I love your choice of Chung. I'm scared of Malalugha, though. Not because he sucks, but because he's from USC and has knee issues and USC players bust a lot.

Haynesworth is a "me" player who will probably pack it in once he gets paid.

Sean Jones? Why him (other than the fact that any safety is better than our current crop)?

How can you say USC players bust a lot? Mike Williams comes to mind but other than that, there aren't too many busts. Not any more than other major colleges anyhow.

TheReverend
02-06-2009, 06:42 AM
How can you say USC players bust a lot? Mike Williams comes to mind but other than that, there aren't too many busts. Not any more than other major colleges anyhow.

Keary Colbert, Darnell Bing, Dominique Byrd, Frostee Rucker, Winston Justice, Dwayne Jarrett.

Shaun Cody and Reggie Bush are debatable, but neither out play the guys beneath them on the depth chart.

I have less issue with the busts, and a larger issue that playing at USC propels mediocre players up an extra round or two on the draft board.

TheReverend
02-06-2009, 06:44 AM
Successful guys like Palmer, Polamalu, and Tatupu are starting to seem a distant memory in comparison to that list. Mike Patterson's pretty good, and Lenwhale is a decent role player too.

Beantown Bronco
02-06-2009, 06:45 AM
Can we trade our entire D for Pittsburg's or Ravens entire D?

We'd probably have to throw in a 6th round pick to even it up.

TheReverend
02-06-2009, 06:47 AM
Anyone that feels obliged to put up a list of PSU busts needs to be sure they have the money for a security team.

El Minion
02-09-2009, 06:09 PM
Anyone that feels obliged to put up a list of PSU busts needs to be sure they have the money for a security team.

Well here is the draft class for a few years:

Penn State

Year Round Pick Player Name Team Position
2008 3 11 74 Dan Connor Panthers LB
4 2 101 Justin King Rams DB
2007 1 5 5 Levi Brown Cardinals T
2 2 34 Paul Posluszny Bills LB
3 18 81 Jay Alford Giants DT
3 27 90 Tony Hunt Eagles RB
5 27 164 Tim Shaw Panthers LB
2006 1 20 20 Tamba Hali Chiefs DE
4 3 100 Michael Robinson 49ers WR
4 5 102 Calvin Lowry Titans DB
4 25 122 Alan Zemaitis Buccaneers DB
6 31 200 Tyler Reed Bears G
7 1 209 Ethan Kilmer Bengals WR
2004 3 29 92 Rich Gardner Titans DB
6 29 194 Matt Kranchick Steelers TE
7 28 229 David Kimball Colts K
7 40 241 Sean McHugh Titans RB
2003 1 12 12 Jimmy Kennedy Rams DT
1 14 14 Michael Haynes Bears DE
1 17 17 Bryant Johnson Cardinals WR
1 27 27 Larry Johnson Chiefs RB
2 23 55 Bryan Scott Falcons DB
2 25 57 Anthony Adams 49ers DT
2002 4 9 107 Omar Easy Chiefs RB
6 24 196 John Gilmore Saints TE
2001 3 9 71 Bhawoh Jue Packers DB
3 17 79 Kareem McKenzie Jets T
3 32 94 James Boyd Jaguars DB
5 16 147 Tony Stewart Eagles TE