must see: The Spy Factory

[mhgaffney]

If you missed the NOVA special the other night -- you can watch it here.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21902.htm

This is a must see one hour video. It features new research by James Bamford -- presented in his new book THE SHADOW FACTORY released in January 2009.

Bamford presents new evidence -- NOT mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report -- evidence that raises serious new questions about the CIA and NSAs' role in 9/11. This material is potentially explosive -- and is suggestive of what I have been saying on ths board for many months: that 9/11 was an inside job.

Though not mentioned in the NOVA special, Bamford's book also makes a stunning revelation about the role of two Israeli software companies that specialize in mass surveillance. More on this later...

MHG

[TheDave]

And all together...


....Buy my book.

[ak1971]

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[Hotrod]

If you missed the NOVA special the other night -- you can watch it here.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article21902.htm

This is a must see one hour video. It features new research by James Bamford -- presented in his new book THE SHADOW FACTORY released in January 2009.

Bamford presents new evidence -- NOT mentioned in the 9/11 Commission Report -- evidence that raises serious new questions about the CIA and NSAs' role in 9/11. This material is potentially explosive -- and is suggestive of what I have been saying on ths board for many months: that 9/11 was an inside job.

Though not mentioned in the NOVA special, Bamford's book also makes a stunning revelation about the role of two Israeli software companies that specialize in mass surveillance. More on this later...

MHG

I'll be waiting on pins and needles

[Spider]

And all together...


....Buy my book.

LOL I said it out loud instead of typing . you would think after 70 K post , I would know you guys cant hear me ;D

[Hotrod]

LOL I said it out loud instead of typing . you would think after 70 K post , I would know you guys cant hear me ;D

So then who are the voices in my head if they aint you guys???

[Spider]

So then who are the voices in my head if they aint you guys???

LOL .......

[Hotrod]

This thread seems to be a good place for this.

Do Not Follow Link if your at work

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0205091doll1.html

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[theAPAOps5]

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[ak1971]

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[Garcia Bronco]

Mini-nuke it

(random picture of small microwave.

[The Lone Bolt]

Gaff, as ususal this evidence isn't as "explosive" as your rather overactive imagination leads you to believe.

From your own source:

Surprisingly, the 9/11 Commission never looked closely into the NSA's role in the broad intelligence breakdown behind the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks. If they had, they would have understood the full extent to which the agency had major pieces of the puzzle but never put them together or disclosed their entire body of knowledge to the CIA and FBI. Traditionally, the NSA didn't share its raw data with those other agencies, an institutionalized reluctance that played a critical role in the failure to stop the 9/11 plotters. (Hear from Eleanor Hill, a former Staff Director of the House Intelligence Committee, on the myriad dangers inherent in such a tradition.)

This failure of the IC leading up to the 9/11 attacks is well known.

[Dukes]

Gaff why don't you join Hamas? I hear they are looking for consipiracy theorists for their newsletter. You're missing out on a great oportunity man!

[Tom H.]

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Food terrorism that will do a job to your insides?

[mhgaffney]

Gaff, as ususal this evidence isn't as "explosive" as your rather overactive imagination leads you to believe.


This failure of the IC leading up to the 9/11 attacks is well known.

Baloney.

The idea that the NSA and the CIA failed to ID the terrorists because of information overload is just not credible. Able Danger, a much smaller operation, was onto M Atta and his cohorts as early as Jan-Feb 2000 using powerful algorithms to sweep the internet. They call it data mining. Think Google X 100.

Surely the NSA, which had much more in the way of resources than Able Danger, could do the same. Indeed, the same argument holds for the CIA. Anyone who has used google must question this phony argument.

Indeed, Able Danger's success in finding M Atta was common knowledge in the DoD by spring 2000 --- so anyone in the defense Dept who was serious about terrorism would have known abut Atta. Strange that the Pentagon ordered Able Danger to destroy all its data and disband....Hmmm

Moreover, a 2002 story in the Miami Herald and Dallas Star-Telegram confirmed that the NSA did in fact pass along its intelligence to the CIA. This is no surprise since the NSA is a part of the DoD and exists to serve the Pentagon and CIA. The story cited an official at the NSA who preferred to remain anonymous.

All of the above is detailed in my book (chapter 5).

Finally, even if the NSA did not directly inform the CIA -- everything they found was in the NSA data base. All the CIA had to do was conduct a simple search to locate it. This was confirmed in the 2002 Joint Inquiry Report, which was the foundational study for the 9/11 Commission.

See Part II -- page 145:

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/911.html

We are now only one whistleblower away from exposing the US military and intelligence community's role in 9/11.

MHG

[The Lone Bolt]

Baloney.

The idea that the NSA and the CIA failed to ID the terrorists because of information overload is just not credible. Able Danger, a much smaller operation, was onto M Atta and his cohorts as early as Jan-Feb 2000 using powerful algorithms to sweep the internet. They call it data mining. Think Google X 100.

Surely the NSA, which had much more in the way of resources than Able Danger, could do the same. Indeed, the same argument holds for the CIA. Anyone who has used google must question this phony argument.

Indeed, Able Danger's success in finding M Atta was common knowledge in the DoD by spring 2000 --- so anyone in the defense Dept who was serious about terrorism would have known abut Atta. Strange that the Pentagon ordered Able Danger to destroy all its data and disband....Hmmm

Moreover, a 2002 story in the Miami Herald and Dallas Star-Telegram confirmed that the NSA did in fact pass along its intelligence to the CIA. This is no surprise since the NSA is a part of the DoD and exists to serve the Pentagon and CIA. The story cited an official at the NSA who preferred to remain anonymous.

All of the above is detailed in my book (chapter 5).

Finally, even if the NSA did not directly inform the CIA -- everything they found was in the NSA data base. All the CIA had to do was conduct a simple search to locate it. This was confirmed in the 2002 Joint Inquiry Report, which was the foundational study for the 9/11 Commission.

See Part II -- page 145:

http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/911.html

We are now only one whistleblower away from exposing the US military and intelligence community's role in 9/11.

MHG



Gaff, you're making a WHOLE lot of assumptions here and then believing your assumptions (which fit your paranoid world view) amount to compelling evidence. I think your reasoning is severely flawed.

[theAPAOps5]

Buy my book, starving conspiracy theorists depend on it.....


-MHG

[ak1971]

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[mhgaffney]

There are no flaws in my analysis of Able Danger. No, my facts are correct -- and when that story is taken together with the revelations by Bamford -- you have to wonder.

As stated in the NOVA video -- no explanation was ever given as to why the CIA did not notify the FBI about Nawaf al Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar, al Qaeda opertatives who had entered the US and were residing in San Diego.

Just as no reason was ever given about why the Pentagon ordered Able Danger to destroy its data and disband in May-June 2000.

Just as no reason was ever given why the Pentagon canceled the meetings with the FBI set up in the summer of 2000 by Able Danger staffers -- who were trying to warn the FBI about M Atta & Co. The meetings were canceled at the last minute by high level Pentagon attorneys. Again -- no plausible explanation was ever given.

Given the things that have come down in recent years, anyone who is NOT paranoid has not been paying attention.

[theAPAOps5]

I have bolded everything I found useful in this post.

There are no flaws in my analysis of Able Danger. No, my facts are correct -- and when that story is taken together with the revelations by Bamford -- you have to wonder.

As stated in the NOVA video -- no explanation was ever given as to why the CIA did not notify the FBI about Nawaf al Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar, al Qaeda opertatives who had entered the US and were residing in San Diego.

Just as no reason was ever given about why the Pentagon ordered Able Danger to destroy its data and disband in May-June 2000.

Just as no reason was ever given why the Pentagon canceled the meetings with the FBI set up in the summer of 2000 by Able Danger staffers -- who were trying to warn the FBI about M Atta & Co. The meetings were canceled at the last minute by high level Pentagon attorneys. Again -- no plausible explanation was ever given.

Given the things that have come down in recent years, anyone who is NOT paranoid has not been paying attention.

[mhgaffney]

The pattern is clear: TIme and again the CIA failed to notify the FBI.

The FBI was always one piece of critical information short -- that would have allowed it to prevent the 9/11 attack.

In fact, Bolt, the final chapters of the book you recommended, THE LOOMING TOWER, is a good compendium of this pattern. I suggest you go back and read the last part of the book.

[The Lone Bolt]

The pattern is clear: TIme and again the CIA failed to notify the FBI.

The FBI was always one piece of critical information short -- that would have allowed it to prevent the 9/11 attack.

In fact, Bolt, the final chapters of the book you recommended, THE LOOMING TOWER, is a good compendium of this pattern. I suggest you go back and read the last part of the book.

I never recommended that book. You have me confused with another poster.

[mhgaffney]

Sorry -- it must have been Bronco Bob.

[Hotrod]

There are no flaws in my analysis of Able Danger. No, my facts are correct -- and when that story is taken together with the revelations by Bamford -- you have to wonder.

As stated in the NOVA video -- no explanation was ever given as to why the CIA did not notify the FBI about Nawaf al Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar, al Qaeda opertatives who had entered the US and were residing in San Diego.

Just as no reason was ever given about why the Pentagon ordered Able Danger to destroy its data and disband in May-June 2000.

Just as no reason was ever given why the Pentagon canceled the meetings with the FBI set up in the summer of 2000 by Able Danger staffers -- who were trying to warn the FBI about M Atta & Co. The meetings were canceled at the last minute by high level Pentagon attorneys. Again -- no plausible explanation was ever given.

Given the things that have come down in recent years, anyone who is NOT paranoid has not been paying attention.

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thats too bad it was ****ing awesome

[ak1971]

I never recommended that book. You have me confused with another poster.

I recommend www.persiankitty.com

[Bronco Bob]

Sorry -- it must have been Bronco Bob.

'Twernt me.

[mhgaffney]

I guess it was Rohirrim.