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Bronco Bob
02-04-2009, 08:37 PM
Had been used to support war effort in Afghanistan. Only one in that area.

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Kurmanbek Bakiyev, the president of Kyrgyzstan, announced he was ordering
the eviction of troops from the Manas Air Base near the capital city Bishkek
shortly after receiving a multi-billion dollar bailout from the Russian government.

Frantic Pentagon officials initially attempted to deny there were plans afoot
to force the United States out of its last Central Asian outpost before
issuing a plea to the Kyrgyz government to change its mind.

"We very much appreciate the support the Kyrgyz have given us in the use
of that base and we hope to continue using it," Geoff Morell, a Pentagon
spokesman, told reporters.

But Mr Bakiyev, speaking after talks with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev
in Moscow, sounded categorical in his decision.

"Kyrgyzstan will close the US military base in Manas after Washington refused
to negotiate better compensation," he said.

An eviction decree was presented to parliament, which will go through the
formality of approving it in the next few days.

The collapse of a deal with the Kyrgyz government to continue using Manas,
an ex-Soviet base that has been used by US forces since late 2001, is both
an embarrassment and a blow to the new administration of President Barack
Obama.

Gen David Petraeus, the US commander leading the military campaigns in
both Afghanistan and Iraq, visited Bishkek last month with an offer to raise
the annual rent the United States pays for Manas from £55 million to £104
million ($17.4 million) -- nearly 7 percent of the Kyrgyz government's annual budget.

According to diplomats, the United States also offered to pay senior Kyrgyz
officials substantial "bonuses".

But shortly after Gen Petraeus announced he had received assurances from
the Kyrgyz government that Russia had no intention of forcing the United
States out of Manas, Mr Medvedev arrived in Bishkek on a gazumping mission.

Although Russia pays just £14 million a year for use of a base next door to
Manas, Mr Medvedev offered a £1.4 billion ($2 billion) loan to plug Kyrgyztsan's deficit-
plagued budget, as well as £238 million in write offs and grants.. Substantial
emoluments were offered to individual officials as well, a western diplomat said.

Russia also appeared to press its case home after Kyrgyzstan's internet
infrastructure came under sustained attack in the weeks leading up to the
deal.. Several ex-Soviet states have encountered similar problems when
coming under pressure from Moscow.

The loss of Manas deals a blow to hopes for an improvement of relations
between the Kremlin and the Obama administration. President Obama is
reportedly seeking to convene talks to slash Russian and American nuclear
stockpiles, a substantial policy shift that will be welcomed in Moscow,
which believes that a deal would help restore strategic parity with
the United States.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/kyrgyzstan/4513296/US-troops-ordered-out-of-Kyrgyzstan-after-Russia-deal.html

cutthemdown
02-04-2009, 10:22 PM
And so it continues..........Obama will have to figure out something he can do to respond to this.

Funny the article makes it sound like Russia hacks a countries internet to try and persuade them into complying with them. Russia went from being a superpower, to being a nothing, to being a gangster.

cutthemdown
02-04-2009, 11:11 PM
We also give that country 150 million a yr in various forms of aid. We should cut that off right now.

Also this move will see how Obama is willing to stand up to Russia, or will he not have a counter to this move.

We need to find another base because this base moves tons of equipment and men to the theater.

Bronco Bob
02-04-2009, 11:23 PM
And so it continues..........Obama will have to figure out something he can do to respond to this.

Funny the article makes it sound like Russia hacks a countries internet to try and persuade them into complying with them. Russia went from being a superpower, to being a nothing, to being a gangster.

Russia also hacked Estonia's internet a few years back and more
recently Georgia's when Russia invaded. A lot of spam also comes
from Russia. I used to get a ton of spam at work, all in Cyrillic,
until the IT people put tighter filters in. I have no idea what that
was all about but doubt it was anything good.

cutthemdown
02-04-2009, 11:33 PM
Russia also hacked Estonia's internet a few years back and more
recently Georgia's when Russia invaded. A lot of spam also comes
from Russia. I used to get a ton of spam at work, all in Cyrillic,
until the IT people put tighter filters in. I have no idea what that
was all about but doubt it was anything good.

I don't think Obama will be a puss but I worry he's got so much on his plate with healthcare, appointees not working out, stimulus package being thwarted by pork and the repubs etc that they Russia will take advantage.

All we can do is look for a new base I guess.

Hotrod
02-05-2009, 07:31 AM
nuke'em ;)

Wow this could be a huge blow to the efforts in Afgan :nono:

watermock
02-06-2009, 11:23 AM
Russia still hates the Brezinski created Muhajdeen, and will allow arms shipments thru Russian controlled areas.

The agreement is allready in place.

mhgaffney
02-06-2009, 06:14 PM
Putin is very good at chess -- much better than GW Bush (who is a psychopathic idiot).

Whatever you think of Putin -- he has just done more for peace in Central Asia than the entire world peace movement. The last thing we need now is an expanded wa in Asia.

Recall -- it was Gen Joe "Vinegar" Stillwell, commander if US forces in China in WW II, who said "Never never never become ogged down ina land war in Asia."

It's about time that someone heeded those wise words.

Unfortunately, Obama still doesn't get it. He still believes that the "war on terrorism" is real. Someone please inform him that terrorism is a police problem -- always has been -- always will be -- and never justified a war. No, the neocons needed a new enemy to feed the mar machine -- and terrorism was "it."

They packaged and sold this lie to the American people. Now the packaging was worn thin.

But incredible! Obama was suckered and still believes it. Someone please educate our new president before he does something very foolish.

MHG

watermock
02-06-2009, 06:25 PM
Brezinski is in his ear.