Daschle Out

[frerottenextelway]

good for him.

[Rohirrim]

Should have been vetted much deeper. Obama's first major faux pas. Who wanted to look at those silly glasses for four years anyway? ;D

[frerottenextelway]

Should have been vetted much deeper. Obama's first major faux pas. Who wanted to look at those silly glasses for four years anyway? ;D

It was a nice little stink but they're most likely going to end up with someone to the Left of where Daschle is - which is good for a librul like me :).

[SonOfLe-loLang]

It was a nice little stink but they're most likely going to end up with someone to the Left of where Daschle is - which is good for a librul like me :).

This is true. Though Daschle does know how to navigate congress. Though if they keep letting the republican minority dictate policy, it doesnt really matter who is in his position. We'll have bloated healthcare for life. Profiting off of healthcare is ****ing disgusting

[Rohirrim]

This is true. Though Daschle does know how to navigate congress. Though if they keep letting the republican minority dictate policy, it doesnt really matter who is in his position. We'll have bloated healthcare for life. Profiting off of healthcare is ****ing disgusting

You utter rightard blasphemy! The free market is a magic force which can govern every facet of life perfectly, if only left to its own devices. Don't you know that?

Hell, just look around you right now to see what beautiful results an unregulated market can acheive?

[Dukes]

This is true. Though Daschle does know how to navigate congress. Though if they keep letting the republican minority dictate policy, it doesnt really matter who is in his position. We'll have bloated healthcare for life. Profiting off of healthcare is ****ing disgusting

No it's companies denying coverage/ cancelling coverage to clients that is disgusting.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

No it's companies denying coverage/ cancelling coverage to clients that is disgusting.

Its both

[Dukes]

Its both

I don't have a problem with people making a living, but they shouldn't be making millions while screwing people. I guess my beef is with people in general.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I don't have a problem with people making a living, but they shouldn't be making millions while screwing people. I guess my beef is with people in general.

On that we agree

[barryr]

Poor Tommy. Now he can go back and not pay his taxes and not have to worry about anyone caring about it.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Good riddance. Daschle's been part of the problem, so why was Obama trying to convince us all that he was part of the solution?

Richardson blew up on him. CIA pick was a joke. Treasury leader is a tax cheat. Quality performance appointee performed well at cheating on taxes. Waiver after waiver for his no-lobbyist rule. This administration is a certified mess. But let me guess, Obama's not accountable for any of this. Darn lemmings.

[Garcia Bronco]

Good riddance

[Rohirrim]

No doubt Obama is stumbling out of the gate. Hopefully, he can snap out of it. We all have already seen what can happen when this country has a president who is in way over his head.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

No doubt Obama is stumbling out of the gate. Hopefully, he can snap out of it. We all have already seen what can happen when this country has a president who is in way over his head.

This **** will all be forgotten. Its the stimulus plan that will be his first real test. Which is why they should worry about putting the best plan out there and not worry about bipartisan support

[Rohirrim]

This **** will all be forgotten. Its the stimulus plan that will be his first real test. Which is why they should worry about putting the best plan out there and not worry about bipartisan support

To me, Obama's first test is whether he can tell the Pelosi/Reid gang in Congress to go **** themselves. Congress is like junkies. They see a bill, they load it with pork. They can't stop themselves. It will be up to Obama to pare off the crap. I'll be interested to see if he can do it. Bush was a total tool. He didn't veto a single bill until the Dems took over Congress. Repug pork was fine for him.

[Smiling Assassin27]

This **** will all be forgotten. Its the stimulus plan that will be his first real test. Which is why they should worry about putting the best plan out there and not worry about bipartisan support

It will only be forgotten by those with small traces of brain matter and/or those who are willing to sell their principles for anyone who is not named Bush. Also in the news, Al Qaeda is decimated and complete defeat is foreseeable according to NPR. Funny how this good news was not fit to report while the old guard was still in office. Huh.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=100160836&ft=1&f=1001

[SonOfLe-loLang]

To me, Obama's first test is whether he can tell the Pelosi/Reid gang in Congress to go **** themselves. Congress is like junkies. They see a bill, they load it with pork. They can't stop themselves. It will be up to Obama to pare off the crap. I'll be interested to see if he can do it. Bush was a total tool. He didn't veto a single bill until the Dems took over Congress. Repug pork was fine for him.

Agreed on that. But I just hope he realizes that he should enact his agenda. There was a big referendum (the election) where they people put their trust in his platform. For whatever reason, the democratic congress has stockholm syndrome and gets intimidated by the republicans and their policy ideas that havent worked. And there is no compromise. To quote Krugman:

"Josh Marshall gives us David Broder talking about stimulus — which he says failed to achieve the predicted results the first time. It’s not clear whether he was referring to the TARP or the early 2008 stimulus package, but either way it’s a poor comparison. The TARP isn’t stimulus; the early 2008 package was 1/5 the size of the Obama proposal, and contained nothing but tax cuts.

But the part that really got me was Broder saying that we need “the best ideas from both parties.”

You see, this isn’t a brainstorming session — it’s a collision of fundamentally incompatible world views. If one thing is clear from the stimulus debate, it’s that the two parties have utterly different economic doctrines. Democrats believe in something more or less like standard textbook macroeconomics; Republicans believe in a doctrine under which tax cuts are the universal elixir, and government spending is almost always bad.

Obama may be able to get a few Republican Senators to go along with his plan; or he can get a lot of Republican votes by, in effect, becoming a Republican. There is no middle ground."

[SonOfLe-loLang]

It will only be forgotten by those with small traces of brain matter and/or those who are willing to sell their principles for anyone who is not named Bush. Also in the news, Al Qaeda is decimated and complete defeat is foreseeable according to NPR. Funny how this good news was not fit to report while the old guard was still in office. Huh.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=100160836&ft=1&f=1001

Of course they should be! You have the most powerful government in the world against a bunch of arabs in caves. The broncos should beat a pop warner team too. Not saying terrorism isnt a concern or isnt important, but its been blown a bit out of proportion (in my opinion) and became more of a political tool than anything. Lets remember that Al Queda didnt storm the hudson river. They used horrible air/hijacking policy to their advantage.

[Pseudofool]

This is small fry stuff. Again, this happens every transition. Only internet political junkies are going to note this kind of stuff. It says nothing about Obama, save the very high standards he sets for his cabinet.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Rumor has it that Howard Dean may be considered to replace Daschle? Interesting. I always liked Dean, he got a bad rap...and im still not sure why

[SonOfLe-loLang]

And i guess Dean probably shoulda been considered in the first place. Daschle is a bit of a bloodsucker. Obama seems to hate Dean for whatever reason though.

[cutthemdown]

This is small fry stuff. Again, this happens every transition. Only internet political junkies are going to note this kind of stuff. It says nothing about Obama, save the very high standards he sets for his cabinet.

Like I said we are all waiting for examples of what people Bush nominated that ended up not being confirmed because they did something illegal.

Having 3 withdraw seems like a lot to me. Sure questions come up but usually they end up being confirmed. You keep saying this but give no examples. I'm sure you may be right, there probably have been some, but I think to say it like you do you should have some examples.

Show me how this is par for the course.

[cutthemdown]

And i guess Dean probably shoulda been considered in the first place. Daschle is a bit of a bloodsucker. Obama seems to hate Dean for whatever reason though.

who did dean support more Clinton or Obama?

[SonOfLe-loLang]

who did dean support more Clinton or Obama?

Clinton, but he's certainly not the only one.

[frerottenextelway]

Sure questions come up but usually they end up being confirmed.

And that's the difference between the Bush Party and the Obama Party. One side is about politics, one side is about policy.

[Rohirrim]

Like I said we are all waiting for examples of what people Bush nominated that ended up not being confirmed because they did something illegal.

Having 3 withdraw seems like a lot to me. Sure questions come up but usually they end up being confirmed. You keep saying this but give no examples. I'm sure you may be right, there probably have been some, but I think to say it like you do you should have some examples.

Show me how this is par for the course.

Bush's appointees waited until after they were confirmed to engage in illegalities. :wiggle:

[cutthemdown]

Clinton, but he's certainly not the only one.

It could matter because Dean was head of the DNC and could have actually worked behind scenes against Obama early. I'm just guessing because someone mentioned Obama doesnt like him. I didn't even know that.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

It could matter because Dean was head of the DNC and could have actually worked behind scenes against Obama early. I'm just guessing because someone mentioned Obama doesnt like him. I didn't even know that.

haah that was me. I mean, Obama never came out and said as much, but he's clearly shown Dean no favors.

[cutthemdown]

Bush's appointees waited until after they were confirmed to engage in illegalities. :wiggle:

yeah but thats a separate issue. I just found it amusing he keeps saying this is normal but I cant recall 3 big names having to withdraw when there party has majority. That means Daschle caught wind of some dems prepared to ask him some tough questions at the hearing. You know him and the chair of that committe have a long running feud.

[frerottenextelway]

yeah but thats a separate issue. I just found it amusing he keeps saying this is normal but I cant recall 3 big names having to withdraw when there party has majority. That means Daschle caught wind of some dems prepared to ask him some tough questions at the hearing. You know him and the chair of that committe have a long running feud.

I doubt any of them ''had'' to. Harriet Miers to the SC comes to mind as GWB's biggest ''withdraw''. That's a pretty big position and all.

[cutthemdown]

I doubt any of them ''had'' to. Harriet Miers to the SC comes to mind as GWB's biggest ''withdraw''. That's a pretty big position and all.

ok yeah but I see Supreme Court nominees a little different. Many qualified get canned because of political differences.

When it comes to cabinet your supposed to put politics aside and look at integrity and skill to do the job right.

We are talking about cabinet appointments. Psuedo says 3 withdraws for taxes is par for course. I say it seems like way more then usual. I'd like to see someone who really has followed more closely settle if this is a lot of not.

3 people withdrawing under pressure seems like a lot to me.

[frerottenextelway]

ok yeah but I see Supreme Court nominees a little different. Many qualified get canned because of political differences.

When it comes to cabinet your supposed to put politics aside and look at integrity and skill to do the job right.

We are talking about cabinet appointments. Psuedo says 3 withdraws for taxes is par for course. I say it seems like way more then usual. I'd like to see someone who really has followed more closely settle if this is a lot of not.

3 people withdrawing under pressure seems like a lot to me.

Ignoring the silliness that it was political differences and not qualifications that lead to the Miers debacle (and the whole ''put politics aside for the cabinet but not the SC, wtf), I'll go back to my earlier point and say it more bluntly - Republicans would not withdraw their names over issues like taxes (and lets be real, this is all political theater by the Right).

The O administration has moved the bar up (and good for them), while you're pretending the bar was always there.

[cutthemdown]

Ignoring the silliness that it was political differences and not qualifications that lead to the Miers debacle (and the whole ''put politics aside for the cabinet but not the SC, wtf), I'll go back to my earlier point and say it more bluntly - Republicans would not withdraw their names over issues like taxes (and lets be real, this is all political theater by the Right).

The O administration has moved the bar up (and good for them), while you're pretending the bar was always there.

ok what republican cabinet nominees had tax problems that the repubs poo pooed and confirmed them.

I'm just asking for examples. I'm sure there are some my point is none of you know, you are guessing there were some but in reality don't follow it that closely.

The right actually didn't come after Daschle too hard, people are surprised he withdrew. That is unless there is more we don't know which he found out he was going to be grilled on.

I told you all this might blow up and it did.

Surprising that shady tax business isn't something you think is a big deal.

[cutthemdown]

Also Ferrotte IMO cabinet appointees and the Supreme Court are a lot different.

Supreme Court nominees face way more scrutiny for there political beliefs then cabinet members do. Senators realize member of another party will be at odds with them.

Supreme Court nominees don't belong to a party.

[frerottenextelway]

ok what republican cabinet nominees had tax problems that the repubs poo pooed and confirmed them.

I'm just asking for examples. I'm sure there are some my point is none of you know, you are guessing there were some but in reality don't follow it that closely.

The right actually didn't come after Daschle too hard, people are surprised he withdrew. That is unless there is more we don't know which he found out he was going to be grilled on.

I told you all this might blow up and it did.

Surprising that shady tax business isn't something you think is a big deal.

Well, for starters.... Bush's Secretary of Labor nominee had an illegal alien from Guatemala living with her that she paid (although she withdrew)....his Energy Secretary wrote a bill to abolish the Department of Energy (brilliant) ....his AG denied habeas corpus... Shall.I.Go.On?

You'll notice there tends to be much less faux outrage from the Left on those, except the last one because that's actually a very serious policy issue.

[Bronco Bob]

You utter rightard blasphemy! The free market is a magic force which can govern every facet of life perfectly, if only left to its own devices. Don't you know that?

Hell, just look around you right now to see what beautiful results an unregulated market can acheive?

Yep, just look at how well Peanut Corporation of America handled the
distribution of peanut when left on its own by the last administration.
Let's just get rid of all inspectors and regulators, and see how
business thrives.

[cutthemdown]

Well, for starters.... Bush's Secretary of Labor nominee had an illegal alien from Guatemala living with her that she paid (although she withdrew)....his Energy Secretary wrote a bill to abolish the Department of Energy (brilliant) ....his AG denied habeas corpus... Shall.I.Go.On?

You'll notice there tends to be much less faux outrage from the Left on those, except the last one because that's actually a very serious policy issue.

we are discussing the vetting process not what happened after people got their positions. Thats a discussion about how effective a Presidents cabinet members were and for Obama we have to wait a few yrs for that.

My point was I could not remember any time since I started following this stuff back when Reagan first ran for Pres that 3 cabinet members, 2 of them high profile, were forced to withdraw because of serious tax issues.

Throw in the Treasury Sec who somehow managed to escape his fate and that's 4.

Also I don't see hiring an illegal to do house or yard work in the same league as outright not paying tax on income you knew was taxable.

[Garcia Bronco]

Repug pork was fine for him.

Many of those earmarks weren't in the bills he signed on his desk. But you would have had to listen to his SOTU to know that.

[frerottenextelway]

we are discussing the vetting process not what happened after people got their positions. Thats a discussion about how effective a Presidents cabinet members were and for Obama we have to wait a few yrs for that.

My point was I could not remember any time since I started following this stuff back when Reagan first ran for Pres that 3 cabinet members, 2 of them high profile, were forced to withdraw because of serious tax issues.

Throw in the Treasury Sec who somehow managed to escape his fate and that's 4.

Also I don't see hiring an illegal to do house or yard work in the same league as outright not paying tax on income you knew was taxable.

My first two examples were before they got their positions (although the 1st didn't even get her position, because she withdrew over the scandal), and for the 3rd, I would certainly hope asking about habeas corpus would be part of the vetting process for the AG!

[cutthemdown]

so you think hiring an illegal worker to clean house is on same level as tax evasion? I don't see that in same league really although I'm all for getting rid of illegals.

Like I said some examples of other admins, dem or repub, who had 3 appointees have trouble because of unpaid taxes? Is there any or is this a first?

[barryr]

If all else fails, Tommy could catch on with say H & R Block.

[frerottenextelway]

so you think hiring an illegal worker to clean house is on same level as tax evasion? I don't see that in same league really although I'm all for getting rid of illegals.

Like I said some examples of other admins, dem or repub, who had 3 appointees have trouble because of unpaid taxes? Is there any or is this a first?

It's political theater. Nancy Killefer dropped out over $900 on household help. Almost no one pays their nanny, baby-sitter, housekeeper, the neighbor who mows the lawn, or the guy who cleans the gutter on the books. Do you?

And yes, having an illegal alien living with you who you pay is a bigger deal imo. But it was the Right that brought Chavez down anyways, not the Left, and their crazy fringe who have a surreal hate for brown people.

It's all politics before policy anti-Americanism.

[frerottenextelway]

so you think hiring an illegal worker to clean house is on same level as tax evasion? I don't see that in same league really although I'm all for getting rid of illegals.

Like I said some examples of other admins, dem or repub, who had 3 appointees have trouble because of unpaid taxes? Is there any or is this a first?

D'oh - I don't know how I could've forgotten about the obvious of tax problems, but there was that deal with the Republican's 2008 Presidential nominee...!!!...

[epicSocialism4tw]

Should have been vetted much deeper. Obama's first major faux pas. Who wanted to look at those silly glasses for four years anyway?


Obama seems to have problems picking people to delegate responsibility to, he seems to have problems doing research, and he seems to have problems with telling the truth.

All personality flaws that do not bode well for his presidency.