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JCMElway
02-02-2009, 01:19 AM
OK, it's that time of year again. I think we had a very successful draft last year and I like how it played out. Here are the rules:

Jens, Eddie and Drekhelped out last year. Do you guys want to do it again, or is there anyone else that would like to volunteer? The more people we have helping out the smoother it will run.

--We do all 7 rounds. There will be a 24 hour time limit in round one, a 12 hour time limit thereafter.

--Trades are definetly IN. Trades that both parties agree to just need to get PMed to myself or anyone helping me run the draft, just so we can change the order.

--I do want to tweak the team selection system. I would like everyone who wants to be in the draft to PM me with their top three choices to draft for.
If no one else selects the team you do, you have your team. If multiple people select the same team, that team is selected by random drawing. I.E If three owners have Tampa Bay as their top option, I draw from those three names. The owners who do not win that drawing then go on to their second choice. If no one wants their #2, they've got it. If we still have ties then we do a random drawing again for that team and so on. If a drafter does not get any of their top three choices I will PM them and give them a list of remaining teams. In this system it's not quite as random, while giving everyone a shot at the team they would like to draft for. I will forward the list of team options to whoever would like to help me with the draft for transparency's sake.

--The only team that is out of the mix is San Fran, and that team goes to SoCal. Deal.

--Also, I liked the co-GM partnerships we had working last year. If any two Maners want to go in on the draft together that would be great. If you are willing to be a co-GM with someone and do not currently have a partner in crime, please let me know in your PM so that when we go over 32 participants I can assign someone to work with you.

--Lastly, if you want to participate in the mock draft, PLEASE BE WILLING AND ABLE TO DRAFT FOR ALL SEVEN ROUNDS. Drafters can be removed from the draft at the discretion of those running it. Open for discussion: How long would an owner have to miss his draft pick before being removed?

I'll also want a couple of volunteers to be fill-in GMs when folks miss their pick. These "pinch-hitter" GMs would not run a specific team, but would fill in a pick when an owner is AWOL too long.

OK, those are the basics. If you want in, please PM me with your top three teams you would like to draft for. There are 30 slots open as of right now.

rugbythug
02-02-2009, 08:57 AM
I am looking forward to drafting. This year. I would like to draft for the Patriots as per last year.

JCMElway
02-02-2009, 11:29 AM
Oh, one more thing. We will start Monday at 8 AM after the NFL combine ends.

MagicHef
02-02-2009, 11:50 AM
--Lastly, if you want to participate in the mock draft, PLEASE BE WILLING AND ABLE TO DRAFT FOR ALL SEVEN ROUNDS. Drafters can be removed from the draft at the discretion of those running it. Open for discussion: How long would an owner have to miss his draft pick before being removed?

How about this:

If a GM misses 2 picks that a fill-in GM must make for him/her, that GM is removed?

SouthStndJunkie
02-02-2009, 11:52 AM
23 remaining slots available in the mock draft.

You can count me in.

I will PM you my choices.

JCMElway
02-02-2009, 11:59 AM
How about this:

If a GM misses 2 picks that a fill-in GM must make for him/her, that GM is removed?

Not bad. I like it. After missing the second consecutive pick, a GM will be removed. An exception would be if the team had two selections back to back or within 5 picks. Then we'd give one more 12 hour window before replacement.

SoDak Bronco
02-02-2009, 12:46 PM
JCM i sent you a pm,did you get me signed up?

JCMElway
02-02-2009, 12:51 PM
JCM i sent you a pm,did you get me signed up?

Yes I did, you're in like flyn!

SoDak Bronco
02-02-2009, 12:57 PM
nice ..do you know which team yet?

brncs_fan
02-02-2009, 01:35 PM
O
--The only team that is out of the mix is San Fran, and that team goes to SoCal. Deal.

SoCal stole my team.

DBroncos4life
02-02-2009, 06:53 PM
Im in. BB and I got a A- last year but I give it a F now lol. Must do better then that ha ha.

JCMElway
02-02-2009, 07:12 PM
nice ..do you know which team yet?

No, all teams have to be in before I draw the names. You know, fairness and all that rot.

Florida_Bronco
02-02-2009, 09:23 PM
I'm in.

SoCalBronco
02-02-2009, 09:28 PM
With regard to the question of how long should it go before someone has to pick for a team, I think at least another full day after the expiration of the person's time (12 hours) would be fair. Obviously, that wouldn't require others who are next in line to pick to wait for that person, they could just do it when they are on the clock, but I think waiting at least a full day after the expiration of the clock would be fair, IMO.

I know that often times I leave the house anywhere between 6:45 am and 8:30 am PST each day and I usually dont get back till about 8-9 PM, so I think giving a person only a couple hours after their 12 hours expire is probably a bit too extreme.

NFLBRONCO
02-02-2009, 09:32 PM
Can I play?

JCMElway
02-02-2009, 09:33 PM
We wouldn't remove a GM until after they had missed their second pick, and then we would give them a 12 hour window even after that. That seems more than fair.

JCMElway
02-02-2009, 09:35 PM
14 slots left.

STUNOdaKING
02-03-2009, 01:58 AM
IM IN IRAQ bUT I WOULD LOVE TO PARTICIPATE.COUNT ME IN IF IT NOT TOO LATE.

Northman
02-03-2009, 03:28 AM
Did you get my PM JCM?

Rohirrim
02-04-2009, 07:16 AM
I'm in.

ludo21
02-04-2009, 07:58 AM
Id like to participate and will PM now.

MagicHef
02-04-2009, 09:13 AM
Everyone sign up already. I want to know what team I have so I can start researching.

socalorado
02-04-2009, 09:39 AM
I am in.

JCMElway
02-04-2009, 12:46 PM
six slots left.

Broncoman13
02-04-2009, 05:45 PM
I'm in. Broncos, Rams, Shehawks. PS, we should do it using "born on" dates.

Northman
02-04-2009, 07:01 PM
Screw that. First come, first serve. :)

BFDD
02-04-2009, 08:00 PM
I'm in, Arizona if its not taken

Arkie
02-04-2009, 09:17 PM
Count me in. I'll take Jacksonville.

JCMElway
02-04-2009, 09:26 PM
Everyone please read the beginning of the thread! I need your top three choices that you would like to draft for!

Oh, and four slots left.

JCMElway
02-04-2009, 09:33 PM
Screw that. First come, first serve. :)

And don't think I don't still hate you, even if you did change your screen name.

BowlenBall
02-05-2009, 01:19 AM
Wow... the season's been over for 4 days, and the draftniks are already coming out of their spiderholes.... and I thought I was obsessive about the draft....

Anyway, I'm in -- if I'm not too late.... Since I was the GM for the Saints last year, that would be my preference this year as well, for continuity's sake (unless someone wants to armwrestle for it).

BroncoMan4ever
02-05-2009, 02:48 AM
i'll take any team remaining. preferance to denver of course, but will accept any other

Northman
02-05-2009, 03:23 AM
And don't think I don't still hate you, even if you did change your screen name.


You will after i steal all your draft picks. :yayaya:

Arkansas Bronco
02-05-2009, 06:07 AM
I'm in. Broncos, Rams, Shehawks. PS, we should do it using "born on" dates.

Oskie helped me out last year and I have done the mock for the past 3 years and I am willing to give him my slot this year.

Edit: I was wrong Ive been part of the last 4 drafts and maybe 5 I didnt look that far back cause I do know I drafted Shawne Merriman in 05. Oskie deserves a place this year. Put him in with one of the teams he chooses please.

JCMElway
02-05-2009, 09:06 AM
Oskie helped me out last year and I have done the mock for the past 3 years and I am willing to give him my slot this year.

Edit: I was wrong Ive been part of the last 4 drafts and maybe 5 I didnt look that far back cause I do know I drafted Shawne Merriman in 05. Oskie deserves a place this year. Put him in with one of the teams he chooses please.

Ark, you don't hafta give up your slot. There are still two left, and I'm holding one for you.

OK, if Ark is in, one slot left. If Ark declines, two slots.

Arkie
02-05-2009, 09:44 AM
Count me in. I'll take Jacksonville.

1. Jacksonville
2. San Francisco
3. Cincinnati

Arkansas Bronco
02-05-2009, 10:09 AM
Ark, you don't hafta give up your slot. There are still two left, and I'm holding one for you.

OK, if Ark is in, one slot left. If Ark declines, two slots.

Ill go ahead and take it then. Dont care which team I get.

JCMElway
02-05-2009, 11:28 AM
OK, we now have 32 owners. Anyone else from this point forward who wants to participate will be assigned as a co-owner to one of the existing drafters. I know some of you have told me already, but which managers would welcome a "two heads are better than one," aproach to the mock draft?

I'm still waiting for a couple of people to respond with team preferences (Ark Bro I just saw you have no preference.) Teams should be assigned before the weekend is out.

Thanks and this should be a blast!

JCM

socalorado
02-05-2009, 11:50 AM
You will after i steal all your draft picks. :yayaya:

Hey D!ckHE@D! why did you change your name!?!? I thought you died.:welcome:

JCMElway
02-05-2009, 11:58 AM
Hey D!ckHE@D! why did you change your name!?!? I thought you died.:welcome:

He is dead. To me.

Mediator12
02-05-2009, 12:57 PM
I would always welcome a second set of eyes. However, they are the assistant GM through nepotism coaches/gm son ;D

ludo21
02-05-2009, 01:36 PM
I wouldnt mind a co-GM if others want to be in this.

Arkansas Bronco
02-05-2009, 07:56 PM
I wouldnt mind a co-GM if others want to be in this.

Id take one as well. Oskie was a huge help last year (guess we should have drafted Ryan ??? ).

Northman
02-06-2009, 02:54 AM
Hey D!ckHE@D! why did you change your name!?!? I thought you died.:welcome:


Nope, im still here. Same dickhead as usual. :~ohyah!: ;D

socalorado
02-06-2009, 08:44 AM
Nope, im still here. Same dickhead as usual. :~ohyah!: ;D

:thumbs:

JCMElway
02-06-2009, 09:17 AM
Hey all, just sent this note off to NFLBRONCO.
Great, These are the following teams that wanted the Lions first.

JCMElway
xxx
xxx
xxx
xxx
xxx

Would you put these names in a hat and draw one out? Or you could arrange them 1-6 and roll a die? Whatever works.

Please PM me back and let me know who has the mighty Lions!

The lions were my first choice so I did not want to draw it. Teams coming soon.....

Mediator12
02-06-2009, 09:22 AM
Hey all, just sent this note off to NFLBRONCO.
Great, These are the following teams that wanted the Lions first.

JCMElway
xxx
xxx
xxx
xxx
xxx

Would you put these names in a hat and draw one out? Or you could arrange them 1-6 and roll a die? Whatever works.

Please PM me back and let me know who has the mighty Lions!

The lions were my first choice so I did not want to draw it. Teams coming soon.....


Frontrunner ;D Grow some balls and draft in the back five of the draft every year would ya :strong:

JCMElway
02-06-2009, 09:28 AM
Frontrunner ;D Grow some balls and draft in the back five of the draft every year would ya :strong:

Hey, I grew up in Michigan and my (distant) second team is the lions. Me, theDave, and Florida Bronco all have a really good claim on them.

And I'll probably end up drafting in the back. Only a 1 in 6 chance.......

Snarfalicious
02-06-2009, 09:29 AM
Any more open spots? If so, I'm in.

ludo21
02-06-2009, 09:32 AM
Just draw names from a hat, that is the best.

JCMElway
02-06-2009, 09:34 AM
OK, Detroit is in. There are 10 drafters who's first choice was Denver. I am rolling my 10 sided die now....

(And yes I have it because I played D&D in the day. Stop laughing!)

JCMElway
02-06-2009, 09:34 AM
I said stop laughing!!!!










Fine go ahead, laugh......

Northman
02-06-2009, 09:37 AM
Thats pretty ****ing funny. Wait....i played that too.

JCMElway
02-06-2009, 09:37 AM
Any more open spots? If so, I'm in.

Snarf, you will be co-drafting with someone. I will assign you to a team soon.

Snarfalicious
02-06-2009, 09:38 AM
Snarf, you will be co-drafting with someone. I will assign you to a team soon.

Sounds good

JCMElway
02-06-2009, 09:45 AM
OK, rolling for St. Louis drafter now.....

Northman
02-06-2009, 09:48 AM
Who got the Lions?

JCMElway
02-06-2009, 09:48 AM
OK, I've gone all the way through and gotten as many drafters as I can one of their top three choices. I'm now going to co-opt Oskie's idea and look at born on dates and let those that have been here the longest select from the remaining teams. I'll be PMing folks.

ludo21
02-06-2009, 09:56 AM
I cant wait to see who I get so I can begin the research!

socalorado
02-06-2009, 10:13 AM
Snarf, you will be co-drafting with someone. I will assign you to a team soon.

Snarf can co-draft with me if he wants!

JCMElway
02-06-2009, 10:15 AM
Snarf can co-draft with me if he wants!

Done.

JCMElway
02-06-2009, 10:18 AM
OK, as soon as Florida Bronco tells me what team he would like from the remaining list I will release the teams.

Snarfalicious
02-06-2009, 10:18 AM
Snarf can co-draft with me if he wants!

Sounds good bro.

TheDave
02-06-2009, 11:45 AM
OK, as soon as Florida Bronco tells me what team he would like from the remaining list I will release the teams.

Slacker...

SoDak Bronco
02-06-2009, 12:50 PM
ohhh the anticipation

socalorado
02-06-2009, 12:52 PM
ohhh the anticipation

Touché

Northman
02-06-2009, 01:00 PM
JCM, you done yet?











*snicker* lol

JCMElway
02-06-2009, 01:02 PM
Florida Bronco's selection will cement everything. As soon as his selection is in, we are a go.



Well, we're a go after the combine. But we'll have teams!

socalorado
02-06-2009, 01:08 PM
Florida Bronco's selection will cement everything. As soon as his selection is in, we are a go.



Well, we're a go after the combine. But we'll have teams!

Lemme guess, hes working overtime guarding Del Boca Vista.

JCMElway
02-06-2009, 11:39 PM
OK, if I don't hear from Florida Bronco by 7 PM CST tomorrow I will assign his team and release the list.

Florida_Bronco
02-07-2009, 01:44 AM
OK, if I don't hear from Florida Bronco by 7 PM CST tomorrow I will assign his team and release the list.

Sorry for the delay. PM sent.

Northman
02-07-2009, 04:41 AM
Speaking of slackers.

JCMElway
02-07-2009, 09:06 AM
1. Killericon – Cincy
2. JCMElway – Houston
3. Anubis –Baltimore
4. Eddie – New England
5. gyldenlove – Minnesota
6. theDave – Kansas City
7. Rugby – Oakland
8. Sodak – Chicago
9. Magichef – Bufallo
10. Drek – Denver
11. Sthstnd – Cleveland
12. brncs_fan – Detroit
13. Chaz – Green Bay
14. Dbroncos4life –Green Bay
15. Nickademus – NYJ
16. Snarfalicious – Tampa
17. NFLBRONCO – Miami
18. Carmello15 – San Diego
19. Thereverend – Arizona
20. Mediator – Indy
21. Stunodaking – Tennessee
22. Ludo – New Orleans
23. Rohirrim – St. Louis
24. Socolorado – Seattle
25. OSKIE – NY Giants
26. BFDD -- Dallas
27. Arkie – Jacksonville
28. Broncoman4ever – Washington
29. Expatfan –Pittsburgh
30. Arkansas Bronco – Atlanta
31. AZBroncfan –Philly
32. Socal – San Fran

Arkie
02-07-2009, 09:07 AM
Jacksonville is looking to trade down from #8.

JCMElway
02-07-2009, 09:13 AM
I tried very hard to be fair to everyone and get them a team they were interested in, even if it was not their first choice.

Next year we're going to use the "OM born on date" system to select the teams. The year after that we will do first come, first serve. Changing up the system will make things fair for vets next year, and newbs after that. It's really an impossible task to make everyone happy, but I did my best. And if anyone has any suggestions for good ways to make the selections, I welcome your input.

lostknight
02-07-2009, 09:27 AM
If there is room for one more co-drafter, I would love to get involved. Draft newbie - as in this is the first year I am really paying attention to it.

JCMElway
02-07-2009, 09:32 AM
Socalorado lost his co-owner, so I'll assign you to him. Will you please PM him so you two can start a draft strategy and whatnot?

ludo21
02-07-2009, 11:08 AM
Thank you JCM!

I look forward to this year and hope we can all help make it run smoothly.

Florida_Bronco
02-07-2009, 12:17 PM
I tried very hard to be fair to everyone and get them a team they were interested in, even if it was not their first choice.

Next year we're going to use the "OM born on date" system to select the teams. The year after that we will do first come, first serve. Changing up the system will make things fair for vets next year, and newbs after that. It's really an impossible task to make everyone happy, but I did my best. And if anyone has any suggestions for good ways to make the selections, I welcome your input.

Why not just run things the way they were back in 07 and 08? Both of those drafts ran smooth, especially 08's, so why try fixing something that isn't broke? Especially the teams. Me and the other hard core mock drafters always got the teams we wanted and their was plenty of flux from year to year that new people could get involved if they wanted.

Carmelo15
02-07-2009, 12:43 PM
LaDainian Tomlinson is officially on the trading block

Florida_Bronco
02-07-2009, 12:46 PM
LaDainian Tomlinson is officially on the trading block

You can only trade picks, not players.

Arkansas Bronco
02-07-2009, 01:10 PM
You can only trade picks, not players.

Very true and the pick values have to be close by the value of the board. Someone needs to link the value board.

Florida_Bronco
02-07-2009, 01:24 PM
Very true and the pick values have to be close by the value of the board. Someone needs to link the value board.

I don't know about the value thing, is this some new rule or something?

Northman
02-07-2009, 01:28 PM
Why not just run things the way they were back in 07 and 08? Both of those drafts ran smooth, especially 08's, so why try fixing something that isn't broke? Especially the teams. Me and the other hard core mock drafters always got the teams we wanted and their was plenty of flux from year to year that new people could get involved if they wanted.


Probably because some other people may want to draft for Denver and the likes. I have no problem with mixing it up. It really isnt all that fun if the same people get the same teams every year. This kind of thing shouldnt be exclusive to certain members only.

Arkansas Bronco
02-07-2009, 01:28 PM
I don't know about the value thing, is this some new rule or something?

No we always relied on the value board's points to trade ill try to find it.

Arkansas Bronco
02-07-2009, 01:31 PM
Probably because some other people may want to draft for Denver and the likes. I have no problem with mixing it up. It really isnt all that fun if the same people get the same teams every year. This kind of thing shouldnt be exclusive to certain members only.

Ive drafted for along time and never ask for Denver because this is just for strategy and fun so I like other people to be happy with my broncos. I learned a few years ago all teams are fun which is a big reason I didnt put in a request this year.

Florida_Bronco
02-07-2009, 01:34 PM
Probably because some other people may want to draft for Denver and the likes. I have no problem with mixing it up. It really isnt all that fun if the same people get the same teams every year. This kind of thing shouldnt be exclusive to certain members only.

Denver is the only team I can recall being much contention for, and that's the nature of the beast being a Broncos forum.

I don't want to speak for everyone, but I personally prefer to keep the same team and I know several people who share that view. People like SoCal, ALF and myself all like to keep a team to try to build them up, and switching up the teams makes this absolutely no fun at all for us.

And I just mentioned in my previous post that we never had any trouble getting new people involved. There are usually quite a few spots open each year from people who have left the board or just dont want to play and those usually go to the newer people after the hard core people have got their teams.

Arkansas Bronco
02-07-2009, 01:34 PM
http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/pvc.gif

Florida_Bronco
02-07-2009, 01:35 PM
No we always relied on the value board's points to trade ill try to find it.

Yes I know about the value chart but to my knowledge there have never been any rules regarding the trades short of they can only be picks and not players.

24champ
02-07-2009, 01:37 PM
Probably because some other people may want to draft for Denver and the likes. I have no problem with mixing it up. It really isnt all that fun if the same people get the same teams every year. This kind of thing shouldnt be exclusive to certain members only.

I am not participating this year because of this "mixing it up" business.

I did not like the drawing of your top three choices of teams and the fact I wanted the same team, Rams, this time around was because I would have some continuity from last year. It's why many members who participate in the mock draft choose the same team every year.

Namely why Socal gets the Niners every year.

There is also too many noobs like Carmelo115, Snarfalicious, Stunodaking who I don't think have a clue how this goes nor are they reliable.

Arkansas Bronco
02-07-2009, 01:37 PM
Yes I know about the value chart but to my knowledge there have never been any rules regarding the trades short of they can only be picks and not players.

There is not an official rule but we have always suck close to values its kind of a moral rule.

Northman
02-07-2009, 01:38 PM
Denver is the only team I can recall being much contention for, and that's the nature of the beast being a Broncos forum.

I don't want to speak for everyone, but I personally prefer to keep the same team and I know several people who share that view. People like SoCal, ALF and myself all like to keep a team to try to build them up, and switching up the teams makes this absolutely no fun at all for us.

And I just mentioned in my previous post that we never had any trouble getting new people involved. There are usually quite a few spots open each year from people who have left the board or just dont want to play and those usually go to the newer people after the hard core people have got their teams.

Yea, i realize that but again maybe the teams you guys draft for someone else would be interested in. I would guess that if you guys like doing the same team year in and year out maybe do another Mock Draft league with people who may want to do the same thing. But with this one being the only one on here (at least to my knowledge) it would be kind of hard to get new people involved if it isnt mixed up team wise with or without Denver. I actually never realized you guys were trying to do that.

Florida_Bronco
02-07-2009, 01:39 PM
There is not an official rule but we have always suck close to values its kind of a moral rule.

This is news to me. I've seen quite a few people get fleeced on their picks.

24champ
02-07-2009, 01:39 PM
No we always relied on the value board's points to trade ill try to find it.

It's a tool but far as I know, it's not mandatory to use it for trades.

SouthStndJunkie
02-07-2009, 01:39 PM
I tried very hard to be fair to everyone and get them a team they were interested in, even if it was not their first choice.

Next year we're going to use the "OM born on date" system to select the teams. The year after that we will do first come, first serve. Changing up the system will make things fair for vets next year, and newbs after that. It's really an impossible task to make everyone happy, but I did my best. And if anyone has any suggestions for good ways to make the selections, I welcome your input.

Don't worry about making everyone happy....everybody gets a team and they should be happy with that.

Northman
02-07-2009, 01:39 PM
I am not participating this year because of this "mixing it up" business.

I did not like the drawing of your top three choices of teams and the fact I wanted the same team, Rams, this time around was because I would have some continuity from last year. It's why many members who participate in the mock draft choose the same team every year.

Namely why Socal gets the Niners every year.

There is also too many noobs like Carmelo115, Snarfalicious, Stunodaking who I don't think have a clue how this goes nor are they reliable.


Understandable. See my last post. If you guys did a seperate league where everyone keeps the same teams i would get in on that.

Arkansas Bronco
02-07-2009, 01:41 PM
Ive always tried to keep it close would you guys reall be cool with a trade of the #1 over all for the #32 and #64 or other horse crap. you know youd be pissed at something stupid.

Florida_Bronco
02-07-2009, 01:43 PM
Yea, i realize that but again maybe the teams you guys draft for someone else would be interested in. I would guess that if you guys like doing the same team year in and year out maybe do another Mock Draft league with people who may want to do the same thing. But with this one being the only one on here (at least to my knowledge) it would be kind of hard to get new people involved if it isnt mixed up team wise with or without Denver. I actually never realized you guys were trying to do that.

Why would we start another mock league to continue what we've been doing for years in this one? It worked just fine before, so why do we need to start changing things around. ???

The way I see it, getting your pick of a team is kind of a benefit to being a long time player. The Lions were not my first pick when I got started here, but I picked for them and then the 2nd year I decided to keep them ando so on...and it worked out fine.

Let the new people have the spots left over after the regulars have picked. There is enough flux with the people leaving and those who don't have a team preference to get new people involved.

Northman
02-07-2009, 01:44 PM
Ive always tried to keep it close would you guys reall be cool with a trade of the #1 over all for the #32 and #64 or other horse crap. you know youd be pissed at something stupid.

For me personally i hardly even worry about trading picks. But, ive seen some surprising picks in the real NFL draft so the senario you posted really wouldnt piss me off so much as i would be scratching my head why someone would do that anyway.

Florida_Bronco
02-07-2009, 01:44 PM
Ive always tried to keep it close would you guys reall be cool with a trade of the #1 over all for the #32 and #64 or other horse crap. you know youd be pissed at something stupid.

Sure I would. If someone is dumb enough to make that trade then that is their problem. The only thing that would piss me off would be the fact I wasn't the one to come out on the winning end of the trade.

Northman
02-07-2009, 01:45 PM
Why would we start another mock league to continue what we've been doing for years in this one? It worked just fine before, so why do we need to start changing things around. ???

The way I see it, getting your pick of a team is kind of a benefit to being a long time player. The Lions were not my first pick when I got started here, but I picked for them and then the 2nd year I decided to keep them ando so on...and it worked out fine.

Let the new people have the spots left over after the regulars have picked. There is enough flux with the people leaving and those who don't have a team preference to get new people involved.


It was just an idea. Im not trying to create an arguement here chief. :sunshine:

Florida_Bronco
02-07-2009, 01:47 PM
Understandable. See my last post. If you guys did a seperate league where everyone keeps the same teams i would get in on that.

Like I said in my last post bro, why would we run another mock just to do things the way that we've always done them in this league? ???

If there are people so insistent on drawing, let them start a new league. I think it would be a great idea as the noobs could start out in league #2 and then move, if they so choose, to the more established league as spots opened up.

Northman
02-07-2009, 01:47 PM
I am a little curious FB, did you guys have that idea set in stone the last couple of years as part of the rules?

Florida_Bronco
02-07-2009, 01:47 PM
It was just an idea. Im not trying to create an arguement here chief. :sunshine:

No arguing about it, just healthy debate if you ask me. :approve:

Northman
02-07-2009, 01:48 PM
Like I said in my last post bro, why would we run another mock just to do things the way that we've always done them in this league? ???

If there are people so insistent on drawing, let them start a new league. I think it would be a great idea as the noobs could start out in league #2 and then move, if they so choose, to the more established league as spots opened up.

I would be fine with that senario as well. It could be either way, i just think it would please everyone involved. Dunno.

Northman
02-07-2009, 01:49 PM
No arguing about it, just healthy debate if you ask me. :approve:

:thumbsup:

Florida_Bronco
02-07-2009, 01:50 PM
I am a little curious FB, did you guys have that idea set in stone the last couple of years as part of the rules?

The way we did it is that we'd all talk about, usually through PM's or AIM/Yahoo when it came time to start the mock. Those of us who wished to participate again would do so and pick the team if we wanted it. After that was settled we started to recruit for the spots left over and they would fill up what was left.

Northman
02-07-2009, 01:50 PM
Ahh ok, i see.

Florida_Bronco
02-07-2009, 01:51 PM
Ahh ok, i see.

Yeah, I think it went really well. The 08 draft was very smooth.

SpringStein
02-07-2009, 01:51 PM
Good to see Drek with the Broncos. I'll enjoy watching from the pressbox this year.

Arkansas Bronco
02-07-2009, 01:52 PM
For me personally i hardly even worry about trading picks. But, ive seen some surprising picks in the real NFL draft so the senario you posted really wouldnt piss me off so much as i would be scratching my head why someone would do that anyway.

Of course it would be stupid but if someone did that it could totaly screw up the mock and make it totaly worthless to even take serious. As far back as I been here the pick points have been used well. Its how Ive always done it and how others have been (well at least in trade pm's with me).

Northman
02-07-2009, 01:52 PM
Yeah, I think it went really well. The 08 draft was very smooth.

I have to admit, i never really thought of the mock's in that light. It has peaked my interest.

Northman
02-07-2009, 01:54 PM
Of course it would be stupid but if someone did that it could totaly screw up the mock and make it totaly worthless to even take serious. As far back as I been here the pick points have been used well. Its how Ive always done it and how others have been (well at least in trade pm's with me).

Fair point.

SoCalBronco
02-07-2009, 01:56 PM
It's becoming increasingly clear to me that it is unfair for me to have SF and others who have specific teams that they have had in the past not get those teams.

At the outset I made a request of JCM to have SF because I generally have had that team in the past when I have participated in the draft. I informed him that it would be my preference to have them again and if not I said I would take anyone not in the AFC West. This was the wrong move on my part because it put me in the position of being able to lock in my team before anyone else and thats not right. I know people are upset about that. It is right for them to be upset. I did not think about it that way in the beginning. It is NOT JCM's fault. That's on me. I should not have even made the request.

As such, I will be dropping SF, so that someone who has asked for them the proper way, i.e. in this thread after it was announced that it was going to be through a drawing, can have them. In addition, I will not be participating in this draft because I have already caused enough problems. Let me reiterate that this is on me, not JCM, so don't give him any **** about it.

Northman
02-07-2009, 01:58 PM
That sucks.

Arkansas Bronco
02-07-2009, 02:06 PM
Socal Ill give ya Atlanta if ya want em and thats on me. There is always next year and Id hate to see ya left out.

Florida_Bronco
02-07-2009, 02:15 PM
It's becoming increasingly clear to me that it is unfair for me to have SF and others who have specific teams that they have had in the past not get those teams.

At the outset I made a request of JCM to have SF because I generally have had that team in the past when I have participated in the draft. I informed him that it would be my preference to have them again and if not I said I would take anyone not in the AFC West. This was the wrong move on my part because it put me in the position of being able to lock in my team before anyone else and thats not right. I know people are upset about that. It is right for them to be upset. I did not think about it that way in the beginning. It is NOT JCM's fault. That's on me. I should not have even made the request.

As such, I will be dropping SF, so that someone who has asked for them the proper way, i.e. in this thread after it was announced that it was going to be through a drawing, can have them. In addition, I will not be participating in this draft because I have already caused enough problems. Let me reiterate that this is on me, not JCM, so don't give him any **** about it.

This is really the last thing I wanted to see happen. This is supposed to be fun for us all.

I don't fault anyone for this. You've run this draft well and JCM helped to run a very smooth draft last year. While I disagree with the rule changes, I know it was made with the best of intentions so I hold no ill will towards anyone.

Honestly, if I just knew we'd go back to the old system next year I would be happy.

ludo21
02-07-2009, 02:19 PM
i dont want to see this happen. Socal dont drop out cause of this minor issue.

24champ
02-07-2009, 02:24 PM
This is really the last thing I wanted to see happen. This is supposed to be fun for us all.

I don't fault anyone for this. You've run this draft well and JCM helped to run a very smooth draft last year. While I disagree with the rule changes, I know it was made with the best of intentions so I hold no ill will towards anyone.

Honestly, if I just knew we'd go back to the old system next year I would be happy.

Agreed.Last year was probably the best draft by far being run by JCMElway, who is a great poster on here. He had the best intentions for this years draft. I just simply disagreed with the changes.

If it's possible to return to last years ways then I would rejoin in future drafts.

Florida_Bronco
02-07-2009, 02:39 PM
i dont want to see this happen. Socal dont drop out cause of this minor issue.

I couldn't agree more. SoCal you are the one who got me into this and it's your "baby" so to speak. Just because some of us are unhappy doesn't mean you have to take a hit as well.

JCMElway
02-07-2009, 04:53 PM
If someone can explain to me the hard and fast rules that have been set down for this draft, I'd be happy to go back to it next year. I've been doing this thing for four years and I've never heard of any such system. I had no idea trying to be fair to everyone would ruffle feathers, but there you have it.

If we, as a group, want to settle on a specific way to do team selection I am all for it.

TheDave
02-07-2009, 05:19 PM
I really couldn't care less how teams are picked... But thats just me.

Having said that i do feel slightly ill picking for boob's team. ;D

ludo21
02-07-2009, 06:04 PM
Dang, Saints have no 2nd, 3rd or 5th round picks.. looks like I got some work to do.

Mediator12
02-07-2009, 08:06 PM
There are more than few of us who really love the draft and specifically the OM mock. If Socal leaves because of somebody not liking the way this played out this year, that would be a travesty of epic proportions. No one here loves this stuff like he does.

I do not get very upset anymore, but if Socal pulls out I'll be pissed. This was his baby from the start and he pulled back to let others who love it get involved in running it. Socal is the reason this thing exists in this format. I hate this right now, because he is falling on his sword to make others fell better and that is just wrong. Plain Wrong.

Besides, the draft is nowhere near as fun in the late rounds without him talking smack and trading in front of me to get that deep sleeper he knows I am targeting ;D

Florida_Bronco
02-07-2009, 08:10 PM
There are more than few of us who really love the draft and specifically the OM mock. If Socal leaves because of somebody not liking the way this played out this year, that would be a travesty of epic proportions. No one here loves this stuff like he does.

I do not get very upset anymore, but if Socal pulls out I'll be pissed. This was his baby from the start and he pulled back to let others who love it get involved in running it. Socal is the reason this thing exists in this format. I hate this right now, because he is falling on his sword to make others fell better and that is just wrong. Plain Wrong.

Besides, the draft is nowhere near as fun in the late rounds without him talking smack and trading in front of me to get that deep sleeper he knows I am targeting ;D

I agree 100% Med. Just because I got hosed out of my team doesn't mean SoCal needs to ruin his fun.

As long as we can go back to the previous system next year, I'm sure everyone will be happy. Yeah, this year is pretty much a wash for me and some others, but that's life.

SouthStndJunkie
02-07-2009, 08:12 PM
There are more than few of us who really love the draft and specifically the OM mock. If Socal leaves because of somebody not liking the way this played out this year, that would be a travesty of epic proportions. No one here loves this stuff like he does.

I do not get very upset anymore, but if Socal pulls out I'll be pissed. This was his baby from the start and he pulled back to let others who love it get involved in running it. Socal is the reason this thing exists in this format. I hate this right now, because he is falling on his sword to make others fell better and that is just wrong. Plain Wrong.

Besides, the draft is nowhere near as fun in the late rounds without him talking smack and trading in front of me to get that deep sleeper he knows I am targeting ;D

I agree....SoCal....keep SF.

If anyone is whining, they need to STFU....this is supposed to be fun for people and not a pain in the ass.

eddie mac
02-07-2009, 08:13 PM
I'll second that Med. SoCal is one the of the main reasons I've been involved in these down the years as well. Please rethink your decision bud cos it certainly wont be the same without you and would everyone please stop sniping about the team selection process and just be happy you've got the opportunity to participate in the best offseason gameplay on these forums.

SouthStndJunkie
02-07-2009, 08:14 PM
I agree 100% Med. Just because I got hosed out of my team doesn't mean SoCal needs to ruin his fun.

As long as we can go back to the previous system next year, I'm sure everyone will be happy. Yeah, this year is pretty much a wash for me and some others, but that's life.

Why all the whining?

I did not read through the entire thread to find out who all is unhappy.

Who cares what team you get?

Give me any team and I will be happy.

Florida_Bronco
02-07-2009, 08:19 PM
You are the one who is whining?

I did not read through the entire thread to find out yet.

Who cares what team you get?

Give me any team and I would be happy.

I never publicly voiced any displeasure over the matter until JCM said he would be changing the system for the next 2 years. That is when I let my feelings be known.

Who cares what team you get? Well I do, and so do ALF, SoCal and others! And we care enough that it's become an issue.

If you don't care what team you get, fine. Those of us who want to stick with our team will have them, and you guys can have whatever random team you want.

Problem solved.

SouthStndJunkie
02-07-2009, 08:20 PM
You sure do complain a lot and seem to get into arguments on every single thread.

Florida_Bronco
02-07-2009, 08:26 PM
You sure do complain a lot.

Obviously I need to say it again, but I did not make any public comments about this draft until JCM came out and said we'd have 3 years of changes. This was after I had made the decision to withdraw from the mock for this year.

And if you call voicing my displeasure over something that I've invested the last few years in with the same team, then that is your issue, not mine. I did not ask to change the system that had worked for a long time. And just by looking at this thread, you can see that people are unhappy about it on top of the one's I've spoken to outside the board.

At this point though, it's not really worth arguing over. JCM is willing to go back to the old system next year, and that will be the end of the problem.

NFLBRONCO
02-07-2009, 08:27 PM
I think the best way to do it is since its a big deal to some let them have their teams and guys who don't care take over the rest. I think its cool to take different teams. Its all for fun isn't it.

SoCal must play IMO.

Florida_Bronco
02-07-2009, 08:32 PM
I think the best way to do it is since its a big deal to some let them have their teams and guys who don't care take over the rest. I think its cool to take different teams. Its all for fun isn't it.

Exactly. There are plenty of people who don't care about which team they get, and with those who don't come back every year there is plenty of space for new people to get involved if they so choose. Hell, if there is enough demand, I'd gladly volunteer to help run a 2nd league for the newer people. :thumbsup:

And it is supposed to be fun, but fun is different to other people. Some people, like yourself are content to show up here, make your picks and be on your way. Certainly nothing wrong with that, but then others like me, ALF and SoCal, like to stick with a certain and try to build them up.

Each way is fine for those involved, and no reason that we can't have both. 8')

NFLBRONCO
02-07-2009, 08:43 PM
Exactly. There are plenty of people who don't care about which team they get, and with those who don't come back every year there is plenty of space for new people to get involved if they so choose. Hell, if there is enough demand, I'd gladly volunteer to help run a 2nd league for the newer people. :thumbsup:

And it is supposed to be fun, but fun is different to other people. Some people, like yourself are content to show up here, make your picks and be on your way. Certainly nothing wrong with that, but then others like me, ALF and SoCal, like to stick with a certain and try to build them up.

Each way is fine for those involved, and no reason that we can't have both. 8')

Well I still do not know who I got teams wise but, I'd gladly give up SF to SoCal because he is a great guy here. I must admit I never thought of building up the same team over the years like some do here. I thought most just liked the idea of drafting each year learn something new every year.

JCMElway
02-07-2009, 08:45 PM
Repost.

1. Killericon – Cincy
2. JCMElway – Houston
3. Anubis –Baltimore
4. Eddie – New England
5. gyldenlove – Minnesota
6. theDave – Kansas City
7. Rugby – Oakland
8. Sodak – Chicago
9. Magichef – Bufallo
10. Drek – Denver
11. Sthstnd – Cleveland
12. brncs_fan – Detroit
13. Chaz – Green Bay
14. Dbroncos4life –Green Bay
15. Nickademus – NYJ
16. Snarfalicious – Tampa
17. NFLBRONCO – Miami
18. Carmello15 – San Diego
19. Thereverend – Arizona
20. Mediator – Indy
21. Stunodaking – Tennessee
22. Ludo – New Orleans
23. Rohirrim – St. Louis
24. Socolorado – Seattle
25. OSKIE – NY Giants
26. BFDD -- Dallas
27. Arkie – Jacksonville
28. Broncoman4ever – Washington
29. Expatfan –Pittsburgh
30. Arkansas Bronco – Atlanta
31. AZBroncfan –Philly
32. Socal – San Fran

JCMElway
02-07-2009, 08:49 PM
I PMed socal immediately and asked him to get back in here. No one had San Fran as a first choice, so it's a non-issue. We just have to agree on aa set way to do this thing every year, that's all. If we have only three guys that are married to their teams, that's no big problem. I just had no idea that was the case. If I had known that I would have gone that way from the start.

I honestly don't think anyone else cares all that much.

Mediator12
02-07-2009, 09:01 PM
I PMed socal immediately and asked him to get back in here. No one had San Fran as a first choice, so it's a non-issue. We just have to agree on aa set way to do this thing every year, that's all. If we have only three guys that are married to their teams, that's no big problem. I just had no idea that was the case. If I had known that I would have gone that way from the start.

I honestly don't think anyone else cares all that much.

I have drafted for three different teams in the last 4 years, none at the top of the round either. I like to diversify, but being in INDY and most people here HATING INDY helps to get them this year.

Mostly, I like teams that have predictable FO's and draft philosophy's. Not many of those around, but BAL, PHI, INDY, PIT, and NE. I like to draft like they do and try to really get into their needs versus player value on draft day.

However, I saw every game last year and I could make a short list of every teams real needs and have already done so based on my notes. That, plus getting to know another drafts players 3-400 deep is a great pastime for me. Last year was a job switch so I had to come in late, but PHI did not miss a beat.

Florida_Bronco
02-07-2009, 09:01 PM
I PMed socal immediately and asked him to get back in here. No one had San Fran as a first choice, so it's a non-issue. We just have to agree on aa set way to do this thing every year, that's all. If we have only three guys that are married to their teams, that's no big problem. I just had no idea that was the case. If I had known that I would have gone that way from the start.

I honestly don't think anyone else cares all that much.

Honestly man, don't take it personally. We all loved the way you ran the draft last year and we know you meant well. I'm certainly not upset with you, even though I disagreed with the rule change.

As for how we choose, it's pretty easy. Here is how I'd do it.

1. As the time approaches, send out PM's to all those who were part of the previous mock draft asking if they wish to participate again and if they want to keep their team.

2. Those who wish to keep their team do so, the rest go into the pool.

3. Ultimately, some people will not come back for various reasons, so make a post on the main board asking for anyone who wants to join and fill the X number of spots we have open.

4. If those who are incoming have a team preference that is open, let them have it. Those who have no preference go into the pool.

5. Random selection for those who are in the pool.

6. Repeat cycle next year.

Mediator12
02-07-2009, 09:04 PM
Honestly man, don't take it personally. We all loved the way you ran the draft last year and we know you meant well. I'm certainly not upset with you, even though I disagreed with the rule change.

As for how we choose, it's pretty easy. Here is how I'd do it.

1. As the time approaches, send out PM's to all those who were part of the previous mock draft asking if they wish to participate again and if they want to keep their team.

2. Those who wish to keep their team do so, the rest go into the pool.

3. Ultimately, some people will not come back for various reasons, so make a post on the main board asking for anyone who wants to join and fill the X number of spots we have open.

4. If those who are incoming have a team preference that is open, let them have it. Those who have no preference go into the pool.

5. Random selection for those who are in the pool.

6. Repeat cycle next year.

That sounds entirely too reasonable. Someone will hate that kind of system ROFL!

Personally, I think that is a great way to do it and I am on board with Socal getting SF until whenever he gets bored with them ;D

JCMElway
02-07-2009, 09:08 PM
Honestly man, don't take it personally. We all loved the way you ran the draft last year and we know you meant well. I'm certainly not upset with you, even though I disagreed with the rule change.

As for how we choose, it's pretty easy. Here is how I'd do it.

1. As the time approaches, send out PM's to all those who were part of the previous mock draft asking if they wish to participate again and if they want to keep their team.

2. Those who wish to keep their team do so, the rest go into the pool.

3. Ultimately, some people will not come back for various reasons, so make a post on the main board asking for anyone who wants to join and fill the X number of spots we have open.

4. If those who are incoming have a team preference that is open, let them have it. Those who have no preference go into the pool.

5. Random selection for those who are in the pool.

6. Repeat cycle next year.

If anyone thinks this is unfair or has an issue with this system, PM me and let me know. Otherwise this seems reasonable.

Florida_Bronco
02-07-2009, 09:09 PM
That sounds entirely too reasonable. Someone will hate that kind of system ROFL!

Personally, I think that is a great way to do it and I am on board with Socal getting SF until whenever he gets bored with them ;D

Thanks Med. I'm sure SoCal will stick with them as he has a soft spot for them just like I do with the Lions. :thumbsup:

NFLBRONCO
02-07-2009, 09:09 PM
I PMed socal immediately and asked him to get back in here. No one had San Fran as a first choice, so it's a non-issue. We just have to agree on aa set way to do this thing every year, that's all. If we have only three guys that are married to their teams, that's no big problem. I just had no idea that was the case. If I had known that I would have gone that way from the start.

I honestly don't think anyone else cares all that much.

I think you did a great job and glad all things are worked out this is fun.

Florida_Bronco
02-07-2009, 09:13 PM
I think you did a great job and glad all things are worked out this is fun.

Agreed.

I can't say enough how pleased I was with the draft last year. It was extremely smooth and JCM deserves loads of praise for it.

JCMElway
02-07-2009, 09:49 PM
Wow, this whole thing is more interesting than the Survivor thread! :rofl:

rugbythug
02-07-2009, 10:00 PM
Well I have an easy draft strategy this year.

Fastest to Slowest.

Mediator12
02-07-2009, 10:06 PM
Wow, this whole thing is more interesting than the Survivor thread! :rofl:

Uh, NO!

TheDave
02-07-2009, 10:48 PM
So am I drafting for KC or are we redoing this?

JCMElway
02-07-2009, 11:13 PM
You are drafting for KC, we'll fly with this order.

TheDave
02-07-2009, 11:18 PM
You are drafting for KC, we'll fly with this order.

:thumbs:

BroncoMan4ever
02-08-2009, 02:34 AM
:thumbs:

when do we kick this puppy

DBroncos4life
02-08-2009, 02:56 AM
I PMed socal immediately and asked him to get back in here. No one had San Fran as a first choice, so it's a non-issue. We just have to agree on aa set way to do this thing every year, that's all. If we have only three guys that are married to their teams, that's no big problem. I just had no idea that was the case. If I had known that I would have gone that way from the start.

I honestly don't think anyone else cares all that much.

I'm glad that SoCal is getting his team. I would love to have the same team each year but I do understand that we should let new posters get a fair shot too. I picked for the Packers a few years ago and thats why I wanted them as one of my teams.

I would welcome more then just one co GM if there are multiple people that want to be apart of this. PM me if you do. Its a good time and I have no problem listening to others. :)

Drek
02-08-2009, 04:36 AM
If anyone thinks this is unfair or has an issue with this system, PM me and let me know. Otherwise this seems reasonable.

Its a good system, though I completely understand what you were aiming for this year, since as the mock has gained in popularity there have been fewer and fewer openings each year. When bringing in co-GMs and assistant GMs you add another wrinkle on top of that, and if we allowed succession rights from GMs to their #2's we'd quickly see the amount of newcomers involved drop to pretty much zero (which despite my hatred of the nubz I think is a bad thing).

But then maybe thats the solution in and of itself? newcomers can start out with an established GM that we know will make his picks on time and as they get into the flow they can either take over another team when a vacancy arises, or step up to the full GM role when the GM they've been working with decides to hang it up.

Regardless though, a mock draft that doesn't have SoCal picking for SF would just feel wrong. This was all his baby to start with and its not like we'd find anyone who'll make more appropriate picks for a team than he could for SF (including the 49ers front office).

Northman
02-08-2009, 06:27 AM
I just had no idea that was the case. If I had known that I would have gone that way from the start.




Thats the biggest issue here. I too dont really care but when Florida Bronco explained how he and a few others were doing it i totally understood where he was coming from. But i do think it was on SoCal's and those guys shoulders to enlighten you about the system they had been using so that we could of avoided all this from the get go. Communication people, it goes a long way. I can say right now that if FB wants back in on Detroit and the guy who has them would be willing to take Bmore i would give up my spot on the draft this year so that the guys who have been using this system could continue to play in it. Not that big a deal to me honestly.

JCMElway
02-08-2009, 07:59 AM
Thats the biggest issue here. I too dont really care but when Florida Bronco explained how he and a few others were doing it i totally understood where he was coming from. But i do think it was on SoCal's and those guys shoulders to enlighten you about the system they had been using so that we could of avoided all this from the get go. Communication people, it goes a long way. I can say right now that if FB wants back in on Detroit and the guy who has them would be willing to take Bmore i would give up my spot on the draft this year so that the guys who have been using this system could continue to play in it. Not that big a deal to me honestly.

Nothing was on Socal at all. He started the draft, but didn't run it last year, nor this year. Thinking it over, I have as much blame as anybody. I busted out the rules and started going 100 MPH right out of the gates. Hindsight being 20/20, proposing the rules and getting feedback would have been the best move.

As it is, we just had a communication issue. We've communicated and now that everything is settled, we're moving on. Florida is going to be involved in the draft in some capacity, which is great, and I sincerely hope Socal drafts for SF. Problem solved, no more drama, let's move on.

ludo21
02-08-2009, 09:21 AM
So this starts 8 am after the combine?

Can we get a specific date on that? Thanks

JCMElway
02-08-2009, 12:06 PM
So this starts 8 am after the combine?

Can we get a specific date on that? Thanks

February 25th at 8 AM is the start time.

BFDD
02-08-2009, 03:32 PM
while I know the answer to this question, I'm going to ask anyways.

since I'm going to be drafting for the CowGirls, Can I trade Roy Williams back to the Lyons? I'd like to have my first and third round picks back :)

Rohirrim
02-08-2009, 05:53 PM
There's is no whining in the draft. I don't even want to be involved if SoCal isn't in it with the Niners. Let's go ladies. Let's have some fun. ;D

brncs_fan
02-08-2009, 09:38 PM
The #1 pick in the 2009 draft is available. Taking offers.

ludo21
02-08-2009, 11:03 PM
Saints are looking to trade down. FYI

STUNOdaKING
02-09-2009, 03:42 AM
TENNESSEE it is...

TheReverend
02-09-2009, 07:38 AM
"Come on, stop whining. You kids are soft, you lack discipline. Well, I've got news for you. You are mine now. You belong to me. (Oh.) You're not going to have your mommies run behind you any more and wipe your little tushes. Oh no. It's time now to turn this mush into muscles. No more complaining: 'Mr Kimble, I have to go to the bathroom'. Nothing. There is no bathroom!"

-John Kimble, THE Kindergarten Cop

socalorado
02-09-2009, 07:43 AM
while I know the answer to this question, I'm going to ask anyways.

since I'm going to be drafting for the CowGirls, Can I trade Roy Williams back to the Lyons? I'd like to have my first and third round picks back :)

In that case i want my 5th for Keary Colbert back too dammit! I'm gonna need it! Jeez, SEA gots some friggin issues..........

MagicHef
02-09-2009, 08:13 AM
http://www.nfldraftblitz.com/pvc.gif

Why is #152 worth more than #151?

MagicHef
02-09-2009, 08:39 AM
Using the draft chart above, amended so that the 0.4 drop per pick continues from 146 to 224, I made a list of how many points each team starts with. I used this list to determine trades that had already occurred: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NFL_Draft If that list is incorrect, please let me know.

DET 4979
STL 3596
KC 3204
SEA 2714.4
CIN 2528.2
GB 2418.1
CLE 2365.8
OAK 2357
JAC 2290.6
PHI 2170.1
SF 2140.6
BUF 2097.1
DEN 1995.3
HOU 1837.4
MIA 1776.6
NE 1761.6
NYJ 1737.9
NYG 1656.1
CHI 1603.8
TB 1586.6
MIN 1405
WAS 1397.2
ATL 1373.5
SD 1341.6
BAL 1288.2
IND 1201.6
NO 1179.4
TEN 1092
ARI 1086
PIT 1071.6
DAL 900.6
CAR 531.2


I was going to say sorry to whoever has Carolina, but it appears that no one does. Both Chaz and Dbroncos4life have Green Bay, though. Is that a typo?

Snarfalicious
02-09-2009, 09:03 AM
Tampa Bay Buccaneers looking to trade down in the first round...

ludo21
02-09-2009, 09:12 AM
thanks magic for that.

JCMElway
02-09-2009, 09:15 AM
The carolina-Green Bay thing is a typo. I'll get it sorted out. Thanks.

Arkie
02-09-2009, 09:15 AM
Jacksonville is looking to trade down from #8

BowlenBall
02-09-2009, 09:25 AM
Why is #152 worth more than #151?

"The part of Rain Man will be played by MagicHef...."

ludo21
02-09-2009, 09:41 AM
Can we trade future picks?

btw.. is there a more detailed list of rules for us newbies? I know the basics but Im sure there are a bunch ive not heard of. Thanks!

gyldenlove
02-09-2009, 09:52 AM
So we can trade players, future picks and current picks?

Rohirrim
02-09-2009, 10:00 AM
So we can trade players, future picks and current picks?

Nope. Just draft picks. Current draft picks. ;D

TheReverend
02-09-2009, 10:31 AM
Sorry if I'm just flat out missing it... but when is this kicking off?

JCMElway
02-09-2009, 12:08 PM
We start Wednesday the 25th at 8 AM, the day right after the combine ends.

TheReverend
02-09-2009, 12:30 PM
We start Wednesday the 25th at 8 AM, the day right after the combine ends.

Thanks. Please disregard my retardation where I couldn't manage to find it on this very same page! :rofl:

JCMElway
02-09-2009, 08:36 PM
Repost

1. Killericon – Cincy
2. JCMElway – Houston
3. Anubis –Baltimore
4. Eddie – New England
5. gyldenlove – Minnesota
6. theDave – Kansas City
7. Rugby – Oakland
8. Sodak – Chicago
9. Magichef – Bufallo
10. Drek – Denver
11. Sthstnd – Cleveland
12. brncs_fan – Detroit
13. Chaz – Carolina
14. Dbroncos4life – Green Bay
15. Nickademus – NYJ
16. Snarfalicious – Tampa
17. NFLBRONCO – Miami
18. Carmello15 – San Diego
19. Thereverend – Arizona
20. Mediator – Indy
21. Stunodaking – Tennessee
22. Ludo – New Orleans
23. Rohirrim – St. Louis
24. Socolorado – Seattle
25. OSKIE – NY Giants
26. BFDD -- Dallas
27. Arkie – Jacksonville
28. Broncoman4ever – Washington
29. Expatfan –Pittsburgh
30. Arkansas Bronco – Atlanta
31. AZBroncfan –Philly
32. Hawk’s Boys – San Fran

TheReverend
02-10-2009, 06:08 AM
So Socal has officially dropped San Fran?

If that's the case, I'd like to formally offer him a position as a co GM with the Cardinals.

Mediator12
02-10-2009, 06:28 AM
So Socal has officially dropped San Fran?

If that's the case, I'd like to formally offer him a position as a co GM with the Cardinals.

Little late, but he has not accepted my offer to work with the Colts either :wave:

TheReverend
02-10-2009, 06:29 AM
Little late, but he has not accepted my offer to work with the Colts either :wave:

**** you! You're supposed to be working with me too!

:rofl:

Mediator12
02-10-2009, 06:32 AM
**** you! You're supposed to be working with me too!

:rofl:

Who says I'm not ;D Two are better than one, and three are better than 2 :thumbsup:

TheReverend
02-10-2009, 06:35 AM
Who says I'm not ;D Two are better than one, and three are better than 2 :thumbsup:

This is a good plan.

Btw, we're on for Mau/Raji whether you agree to it or not.

Mediator12
02-10-2009, 06:39 AM
This is a good plan.

Btw, we're on for Mau/Raji whether you agree to it or not.

I kind of figured that. Not like you would let that one slide, even if I did not agree to it. Problem is, both are flawed players. I really think the quality of the defense that selects them will determine their success at the next level. SO, until they are drafted its a crapshoot. Man I hope KC or OAK pick REY :pimp:

TheReverend
02-10-2009, 06:50 AM
I kind of figured that. Not like you would let that one slide, even if I did not agree to it. Problem is, both are flawed players. I really think the quality of the defense that selects them will determine their success at the next level. SO, until they are drafted its a crapshoot. Man I hope KC or OAK pick REY :pimp:

Can't wait till Raji gets gobbled by a team for the 3 tech like Ellis did.

<---Default winner

Kaylore
02-10-2009, 10:38 AM
How did I miss this thread? :( I thought we already signed up.

Kaylore
02-10-2009, 10:42 AM
Yes here it is

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=76441

I guess this isn't official? I thought this thread was the old one that was always stickied. Man, that really sucks.:flush: :-[

Does anyone need a co-GM?

Rohirrim
02-10-2009, 10:46 AM
How did I miss this thread? :( I thought we already signed up.

Yeah, it looks like all the old timers are getting the boot. If you and SoCal aren't going to be in on this, it sucks. Maybe we should get together and start a new one based on join dates? :wiggle:

Kaylore
02-10-2009, 10:48 AM
Yeah, it looks like all the old timers are getting the boot. If you and SoCal aren't going to be in on this, it sucks. Maybe we should get together and start a new one based on join dates? :wiggle:

Do you think we could find 32 others? That's an idea. It's a lot of people though. I always knew people got left out, but I'd be surprised if more than 40 people would commit to play.

I'll make a post on the main forum...

24champ
02-10-2009, 10:50 AM
Yes here it is

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=76441

I guess this isn't official? I thought this thread was the old one that was always stickied. Man, that really sucks.:flush: :-[

Does anyone need a co-GM?

I was thinking about starting another Mock draft, not sure we can get 32 slots filled though. I'm game if it's possible Kahn.

Maybe someone shoot an PM to Requiem so he can participate as well, I wonder if he is alright or what? I know he is a draft geek.

eddie mac
02-10-2009, 10:59 AM
I was thinking about starting another Mock draft, not sure we can get 32 slots filled though. I'm game if it's possible Kahn.

Maybe someone shoot an PM to Requiem so he can participate as well, I wonder if he is alright or what? I know he is a draft geek.

I'm sure some guys would double up if you cannot get 32 new GM's. I know I would have the time and would be more than happy to help.

Kaylore
02-10-2009, 11:01 AM
I'm sure some guys would double up if you cannot get 32 new GM's. I know I would have the time and would be more than happy to help.

That's a great idea. I'm sure some GM's that are dissatisfied with their team wouldn't mind a shot at a better one. I'll allow anyone from the first mock draft.

JCMElway
02-10-2009, 11:32 AM
Great, I'd love to do two drafts. Is there an official way to sign up?

Let's play two!!

Northman
02-10-2009, 01:44 PM
So......

My idea of doing another draft came to light anyway i guess. lmao

Snarfalicious
02-10-2009, 03:36 PM
If we do 2 mocks, I'll double up w/ the Bucs or any other team. Either way I'd be down.

DBroncos4life
02-10-2009, 03:36 PM
Yes here it is

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=76441

I guess this isn't official? I thought this thread was the old one that was always stickied. Man, that really sucks.:flush: :-[

Does anyone need a co-GM?

you can pick with me.

STUNOdaKING
02-11-2009, 05:07 AM
i wont mind having a co-GM...

nickademus
02-11-2009, 03:17 PM
Well it looks like we need a new QB in NY any one looking to make a trade and what is it going to cost me to get castle?

TheReverend
02-11-2009, 03:22 PM
Well it looks like we need a new QB in NY any one looking to make a trade and what is it going to cost me to get castle?

cant trade for players...

Arkansas Bronco
02-11-2009, 08:50 PM
I dont like two mocks here cause Id like the main one too mean something, but ill stick I just hate us getting so loose why not put up a vote next year for the main draftees?

BFDD
02-12-2009, 07:03 AM
I dont like two mocks here cause Id like the main one too mean something, but ill stick I just hate us getting so loose why not put up a vote next year for the main draftees?

Or! We can just do two mocks because it is more fun.

TheReverend
02-12-2009, 07:39 AM
I dont like two mocks here cause Id like the main one too mean something, but ill stick I just hate us getting so loose why not put up a vote next year for the main draftees?

Is this a serious post or....?

JCMElway
02-12-2009, 08:41 AM
The draft order as it stands....

1 1-1 Lions
2 1-2 Rams
3 1-3 Chiefs
4 1-4 Seahawks
5 1-5 Browns
6 1-6 Bengals
7 1-7 Raiders
8 1-8 Jaguars
9 1-9 Packers
10 1-10 49ers
11 1-11 Bills
12 1-12 Broncos
13 1-13 Redskins
14 1-14 Saints
15 1-15 Texans
16 1-16 Chargers
17 1-17 Jets
18 1-18 Bears
19 1-19 Buccaneers
20 1-20 Cowboys > Lions — Traded Roy Williams, 2009 seventh round pick (?-?) to Cowboys for 2009 first round pick (?-?), 2009 third round pick (?-?), 2009 sixth round pick (?-?) on 2008-10-14
22 1-22 Eagles
23 1-23 Vikings
24 1-24 Patriots
25 1-25 Falcons
26 1-26 Dolphins
27 1-27 Ravens
29 1-29 Colts
28 1-28 Panthers > Eagles — Traded 2008 first round pick (#19-Jeff Otah) to Panthers for 2008 second round pick (#43-Tyrell Johnson), 2008 fourth round pick (#109-Mike McGlynn), 2009 first round pick (?-?) on 2008-04-26
30 1-30 Giants
32 1-32 Titans
21 1-21 Cardinals
31 1-31 Steelers
Round 2
33 2-1 Lions
34 2-2 Chiefs
35 2-3 Rams
36 2-4 Browns
37 2-5 Seahawks
38 2-6 Bengals
39 2-7 Jaguars
40 2-8 Raiders
41 2-9 Packers
42 2-10 Bills
43 2-11 49ers
44 2-12 Redskins > Dolphins — Traded Jason Taylor to Redskins for 2009 second round pick (?-?), 2010 sixth round pick (?-?) on 2008-07-20
45 2-13 Saints > Jets (conditional second or third round pick if Jonathan Vilma plays 85% of defensive snaps and is re-signed by Saints to a contract extension) — Traded Jonathan Vilma, 2009 conditional fourth round pick (if Vilma plays 85% of defensive snaps and is re-signed by Saints to a contract extension) (?-?) to Saints for 2008 fourth round pick (#113-Dwight Lowery), 2009 conditional second or third round pick (if Vilma plays 85% of defensive snaps and is re-signed by Saints to a contract extension) (?-?) on 2008-02-29
> Giants (conditional if Jonathan Vilma does not play 85% of defensive snaps or is not re-signed by Saints to a contract extension) — Traded Jeremy Shockey to Saints for 2009 second round pick (?-?) and 2009 fifth round pick (if Jonathan Vilma does not play 85% of defensive snaps or is not re-signed by Saints to a contract extension) (?-?), or 2010 first round pick (if Jonathan Vilma plays 85% of defensive snaps and is re-signed by Saints to a contract extension) (?-?) on 2008-07-21
46 2-14 Texans
47 2-15 Chargers > Patriots — Traded 2008 third round pick (#69-Jacob Hester) to Chargers for 2008 fifth round pick (#160-Josh Johnson), 2009 second round pick (?-?) on 2008-04-27
48 2-16 Broncos
49 2-17 Bears
50 2-18 Buccaneers
51 2-19 Cowboys
53 2-21 Jets
54 2-22 Eagles
55 2-23 Vikings
56 2-24 Falcons
57 2-25 Dolphins
58 2-26 Ravens
59 2-27 Patriots
63 2-31 Panthers
61 2-29 Giants
60 2-28 Colts
64 2-32 Titans
52 2-20 Cardinals
62 2-30 Steelers
Round 3
65 3-1 Lions
66 3-2 Rams
67 3-3 Chiefs
68 3-4 Seahawks
69 3-5 Browns > Cowboys — Traded 2008 fourth round pick (#111-Martin Rucker) to Browns for 2009 third round pick (?-?) on 2008-04-27
70 3-6 Bengals
71 3-7 Raiders
72 3-8 Jaguars
73 3-9 Packers
74 3-10 49ers
75 3-11 Bills
76 3-12 Saints > Jets (conditional second or third round pick if Jonathan Vilma plays 85% of defensive snaps and is re-signed by Saints to a contract extension) — Traded Jonathan Vilma, 2009 conditional fourth round pick (if Vilma plays 85% of defensive snaps and is re-signed by Saints to a contract extension) (?-?) to Saints for 2008 fourth round pick (#113-Dwight Lowery), 2009 conditional second or third round pick (if Vilma plays 85% of defensive snaps and is re-signed by Saints to a contract extension) (?-?) on 2008-02-29
77 3-13 Texans
78 3-14 Chargers
79 3-15 Broncos
80 3-16 Redskins
81 3-17 Buccaneers
82 3-18 Cowboys > Lions — Traded Roy Williams, 2009 seventh round pick (?-?) to Cowboys for 2009 first round pick (?-?), 2009 third round pick (?-?), 2009 sixth round pick (?-?) on 2008-10-14
84 3-20 Jets > Packers — Traded Brett Favre, conditional 2010 pick (fifth round if Favre retires after 2008 season and Packers get Jets 2009 first round pick, sixth round if Packers get Jets 2009 second round pick, seventh round if Packers get Jets 2009 third round pick) (?-?) to Jets for 2009 conditional pick (fourth round, third round if Favre plays 50% of plays in 2008, second round if Favre plays 70% of plays and Jets make playoffs, first round if Favre plays 80% of plays and Jets make it to Super Bowl) (?-?) on 2008-08-06
85 3-21 Bears
86 3-22 Eagles
87 3-23 Vikings
88 3-24 Dolphins
89 3-25 Ravens
90 3-26 Patriots
91 3-27 Falcons
92 3-28 Giants
95 3-31 Colts
94 3-30 Panthers
96 3-32 Titans
83 3-19 Cardinals
93 3-29 Steelers
Round 4
97 4-1 Lions > Cowboys — Traded 2008 third round pick (#92-Cliff Avril) to Lions for 2008 fourth round pick (#111-Martin Rucker), 2009 fourth round pick (?-?) on 2008-04-27
98 4-2 Chiefs
99 4-3 Rams
100 4-4 Browns
101 4-5 Seahawks > Broncos (conditional) — Traded Keary Colbert to Seahawks for 2009 conditional fifth round pick (fourth round pick dependant on Colbert's playing time) (?-?) on 2008-09-16
102 4-6 Bengals
103 4-7 Jaguars
104 4-8 Raiders
105 4-9 Packers
106 4-10 Bills
107 4-11 49ers
108 4-12 Texans
109 4-13 Chargers
110 4-14 Broncos
111 4-15 Redskins > Jets — Traded Pete Kendall to Redskins for 2008 conditional fifth round pick (if Kendall plays less than 80% of snaps in 2007) or 2009 fourth round pick (if Kendall plays more than 80% of snaps in 2007) (?-?) on 2007-08-23
112 4-16 Saints
113 4-17 Cowboys
115 4-19 Jets > Saints (conditional if Jonathan Vilma plays 85% of defensive snaps and is re-signed by Saints to a contract extension) — Traded 2008 fourth round pick (#113-Dwight Lowery), 2009 conditional second or third round pick (if Vilma plays 85% of defensive snaps and is re-signed by Saints to a contract extension) (?-?) to Jets for Jonathan Vilma, 2009 conditional fourth round pick (if Vilma plays 85% of defensive snaps and is re-signed by Saints to a contract extension) (?-?) on 2008-02-29
> Packers — Traded Brett Favre, conditional 2010 pick (fifth round if Favre retires after 2008 season and Packers get Jets 2009 first round pick, sixth round if Packers get Jets 2009 second round pick, seventh round if Packers get Jets 2009 third round pick) (?-?) to Jets for 2009 conditional pick (fourth round, third round if Favre plays 50% of plays in 2008, second round if Favre plays 70% of plays and Jets make playoffs, first round if Favre plays 80% of plays and Jets make it to Super Bowl) (?-?) on 2008-08-06
116 4-20 Bears
117 4-21 Buccaneers
118 4-22 Eagles
119 4-23 Vikings
120 4-24 Ravens
121 4-25 Patriots
122 4-26 Falcons
123 4-27 Dolphins
126 4-30 Colts
125 4-29 Panthers
127 4-31 Giants
128 4-32 Titans
114 4-18 Cardinals
124 4-28 Steelers
Round 5
129 5-1 Lions
130 5-2 Rams
131 5-3 Chiefs
132 5-4 Seahawks > Broncos (conditional) — Traded Keary Colbert to Seahawks for 2009 conditional fifth round pick (fourth round pick dependant on Colbert's playing time) (?-?) on 2008-09-16
133 5-5 Browns > Eagles — Traded 2008 sixth round pick (#191-Paul Hubbard) to Browns for 2009 fifth round pick (?-?) on 2008-04-27
134 5-6 Bengals
135 5-7 Raiders > Falcons — Traded DeAngelo Hall to Raiders for 2008 second round pick (?-?), 2009 fifth round pick (?-?) on 2008-03-20
136 5-8 Jaguars
137 5-9 Packers
138 5-10 49ers
139 5-11 Bills
140 5-12 Chargers
141 5-13 Broncos
142 5-14 Redskins
143 5-15 Saints > Giants (conditional if Jonathan Vilma does not play 85% of defensive snaps or is not re-signed by Saints to a contract extension) — Traded Jeremy Shockey to Saints for 2009 second round pick (?-?) and 2009 fifth round pick (if Jonathan Vilma does not play 85% of defensive snaps or is not re-signed by Saints to a contract extension) (?-?), or 2010 first round pick (if Jonathan Vilma plays 85% of defensive snaps and is re-signed by Saints to a contract extension) (?-?) on 2008-07-21
144 5-16 Texans
146 5-18 Jets
147 5-19 Bears
148 5-20 Buccaneers
149 5-21 Cowboys
150 5-22 Eagles
151 5-23 Vikings
152 5-24 Patriots
153 5-25 Falcons
154 5-26 Dolphins
155 5-27 Ravens
157 5-29 Colts
156 5-28 Panthers
158 5-30 Giants
160 5-32 Titans > Cowboys — Traded 2008 fourth round pick (#126-Lavelle Hawkins), 2009 sixth round pick (?-?) to Titans for Adam `Pacman` Jones, 2009 conditional fourth round pick (if Pacman Jones is not reinstated) or 2009 conditional fifth round pick (if Pacman Jones is reinstated but gets suspended again) (?-?) on 2008-04-24
145 5-17 Cardinals
159 5-31 Steelers
Round 6
161 6-1 Lions
162 6-2 Chiefs
163 6-3 Rams
164 6-4 Browns
165 6-5 Seahawks
166 6-6 Bengals
167 6-7 Jaguars
168 6-8 Raiders
169 6-9 Packers
170 6-10 Bills
171 6-11 49ers
172 6-12 Broncos
173 6-13 Redskins
174 6-14 Saints > Packers — Traded 2008 seventh round pick (#237-Adrian Arrington) to Saints for 2009 sixth round pick (?-?) on 2008-04-27
175 6-15 Texans
176 6-16 Chargers
177 6-17 Jets
178 6-18 Bears
179 6-19 Buccaneers > Bears — Traded Brian Griese to Buccaneers for 2009 sixth round pick (?-?) on 2008-03-03 > Buccaneers — Traded Dan Buenning to Bears for 2009 sixth round pick (?-?) on 9/2/08
180 6-20 Cowboys > Lions — Traded Roy Williams, 2009 seventh round pick (?-?) to Cowboys for 2009 first round pick (?-?), 2009 third round pick (?-?), 2009 sixth round pick (?-?) on 2008-10-14
182 6-22 Eagles
183 6-23 Vikings > Eagles — Traded Kelly Holcomb to Vikings for 2009 sixth round pick (?-?) on 2007-08-27
184 6-24 Falcons
185 6-25 Dolphins > Cowboys — Traded Jason Ferguson, 2008 sixth round pick (?-?) to Cowboys for 2008 sixth round pick (?-?), 2009 sixth round pick draft pick (?-?) on 2008-02-29
186 6-26 Ravens
187 6-27 Patriots
191 6-31 Panthers
189 6-29 Giants
188 6-28 Colts
192 6-32 Titans
181 6-21 Cardinals
190 6-30 Steelers
Round 7
193 7-1 Lions > Cowboys — Traded 2009 first round pick (?-?), 2009 third round pick (?-?), 2009 sixth round pick (?-?) to Lions for Roy Williams (E.), 2009 seventh round pick (?-?) on 2008-10-14
194 7-2 Rams
195 7-3 Chiefs > Buccaneers — Traded 2008 sixth round pick (#187-John Sullivan) to Chiefs for Michael Bennett, 2009 conditional seventh round pick (if Bennett rushes for less than 400 yards in 2007 (condition met)) (?-?) on 2007-10-16
196 7-4 Seahawks
197 7-5 Browns
198 7-6 Bengals
199 7-7 Raiders
200 7-8 Jaguars > Buccaneers — Traded 2008 second round pick (#52-Quentin Groves) to Jaguars for 2008 second round pick (#58-Dexter Jackson), 2008 fifth round pick (#158-Kellen Davis), 2009 seventh round pick (?-?) on 2008-04-26

> Steelers — Traded Sean Mahan to Buccaneers for 2009 seventh round pick (?-?) on 2008-09-02



Unconfirmed if the pick included in the trade is this pick or the Buccaneers own pick
201 7-9 Packers
202 7-10 49ers
203 7-11 Bills
204 7-12 Redskins > Vikings — Traded Erasmus James to Redskins for 2009 conditional seventh round pick (if James makes Redskins roster) (?-?) on 2008-05-27
205 7-13 Saints
206 7-14 Texans
207 7-15 Chargers
208 7-16 Broncos
209 7-17 Bears
210 7-18 Buccaneers

> Steelers — Traded Sean Mahan to Buccaneers for 2009 seventh round pick (?-?) on 2008-09-02



Unconfirmed if the pick included in the trade is this pick or the Jaguars pick (which the Buccaneers own)

211 7-19 Cowboys
213 7-21 Jets
214 7-22 Eagles
215 7-23 Vikings
216 7-24 Dolphins
217 7-25 Ravens
218 7-26 Patriots
219 7-27 Falcons > Broncos (conditional) — Traded Domonique Foxworth to Falcons for 2009 conditional seventh round pick (could be earlier depending on Foxworth's playing time) (?-?) on 2008-09-02
220 7-28 Giants
223 7-31 Colts
222 7-30 Panthers
224 7-32 Titans
212 7-20 Cardinals
221 7-29 Steelers

Kaylore
02-12-2009, 11:34 AM
Thanks, JCME. I'm going to post this in the other one.

ludo21
02-12-2009, 11:54 AM
Is it confirmed whether or not the Saints have that 3rd? I am confused by that.. Help please?

Kaylore
02-12-2009, 01:14 PM
Yeah I posted this list, but it doesn't definitively say we get one or the other. It has every pick potentially in play on there. When does something more official come out?

MagicHef
02-12-2009, 01:29 PM
Is it confirmed whether or not the Saints have that 3rd? I am confused by that.. Help please?

The 4th they traded for Vilma became a 3rd due to playing time. It will change to a 2nd if they re-sign him before Free Agency. They have already traded that 2nd to the Giants for Shockey. If the Vilma pick becomes a 2nd, they will have to give the Giants their 1st, but they have said that they will wait until FA starts to resign Vilma, so it should stay as the Saints' 3rd to NYJ, and the Saint's 2nd to NYG.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NFL_Draft

ludo21
02-21-2009, 10:12 AM
Almost, time, I am excited to see who everyone picks.

chaz
02-23-2009, 02:09 PM
Could someone please clarify picks 84, 115, and 174 please? I'd appreciate it!

ludo21
02-23-2009, 05:48 PM
84 - I dont understand either

115 - Saints traded for Vilma and will owe Jets this pick

174 - Saints traded for Adrian Arrington and thus owe the Packers this pick.

Kaylore
02-23-2009, 05:53 PM
We'll need the draft order updated officially.

JCMElway
02-23-2009, 10:59 PM
Wanted to get everyone's take on this: I think that we should go with whatever order we have come draft time on Wednesday. Once we start the draft, the most current order we have will be locked in. In my mind, it's the only way to be fair once we start and trades start happening on our end.

Thoughts?

BowlenBall
02-23-2009, 11:35 PM
Wanted to get everyone's take on this: I think that we should go with whatever order we have come draft time on Wednesday. Once we start the draft, the most current order we have will be locked in. In my mind, it's the only way to be fair once we start and trades start happening on our end.

Thoughts?

Completely agree -- once we start making our own trades, it won't resemble reality anyway.

ludo21
02-24-2009, 07:03 AM
sounds good.

Northman
02-24-2009, 07:27 AM
Wanted to get everyone's take on this: I think that we should go with whatever order we have come draft time on Wednesday. Once we start the draft, the most current order we have will be locked in. In my mind, it's the only way to be fair once we start and trades start happening on our end.

Thoughts?

Agreed. :thumbsup:

Arkansas Bronco
02-24-2009, 07:31 AM
Is this a serious post or....?

Rev any post by me after 10pm you just have to consider them random drunk posts. :thanku: