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Snarfalicious
02-01-2009, 10:39 AM
I have seen a lot of mocks lately, most of which seem pretty good, and some which seem like we are addressing a different team other than the Broncos. The offseason I present in this draft will for the most part be Defensively-oriented, with a little dash of some Offense (But only glaring needs).

Denver Trades in the Offseason:

*** When thinking up these trades, I gave us a little less value than I thought we might actually get, just so I don't appear to be throwing these trades out and making them completely unrealistic. Every trade has a reasoning behind it.

*** Denver trades Dre Bly and 6th Rounder to Seattle for a 4th round pick.
Reasoning: Seattle finished the year as the worst Passing Defense and Bly would instantly help them and allow them to address other needs in the first 3rounds.

*** Denver trades Elvis Dumervil to Buffalo Bills for a 4th round pick.
Reasoning: My whole family (other than me) share a favorite team of the Buffalo Bills. By the end of the season, it became apparent that the most pressing need this offseason would be a pass-rush specialist. Buffalo needs a guy to play opposite of Schobel that can get some pass-rush. Schobel also has injury concerns so the time to acquire a player such as Doom is now. If we gave Buffalo a 6th we might be able to swing a 3rd for Doom, but I just played it safe here. Buffalo gets a proven pass-rush specialist for the 4-3 scheme, something which is not a given via the draft these days.

*** I don't have Denver trading out of the 12th spot in the draft, I think that with the rise of Raji up draft boards, it will allow us to get a guy who was initially thought to be in the top 10, fall to us at #12. Read on to find out...

Denver in Free Agency:

NT Gabe Watson (RFA): Watson's signing will force us to most likely use a 4th rounder on him, but he is still young (25) and he is the same size of Brace (Possible 2nd rounder) and he is already proven himself as a quality player in the NFL.

DE Mike Wright: Wright can come in and address another glaring need (DE). He has also proven the ability to play as NT which will come in handy in case of any unforeseen injuries. He won't be very expensive and will bring some fresh, young (26) talent.

FS OJ Atogwe: This signing is the iffiest one, due to his sheer skills and ballhawk ability. He won't come cheap, because the secret's out on his abilities. But Atogwe would instantly help the secondary of this team and finally give us a long-term solution at the FS position.

CB Jabari Greer: With the trade of Bly, Denver has a backup plan in mind, and Greer is it. He is still young (26) and after watching him play for the past couple years, it's hard to deny his ability and his ball hawking tendencies. He has every ability to play CB in the NFL, and he has proven that. He recently lost his job to Leodis McKelvin (Bills 2008 1st rounder) and will as a result see his price tag shrink.

*** The big-name signing here is OJ Atogwe, which in reality isn't that big. I don't expect to see Denver getting a guy like Aso, Suggs or Peppers simply because of the holes that this D has. Getting one of those guys would severely limit the ability to address multiple needs.

Denver in the Draft:

Pick Rundown (After trades)

Round:
1
2
3
4a (Seattle for Bly and 6th)
4b (Buffalo for Doom and 6th)
X 4c (traded to ARZ for Watson)
5a (Seattle for Colbert)
5b
X 6a (Traded to Buffalo w/ Doom for 4th)
X 6b (From Atlanta for resigning Foxworth, then traded to Seattle for 4th)
7

*** We enter the draft with 8 picks (Originally 9), but with the acquisition of Watson, a glaring need (NT), isn't so desperate now.

Round 1 (#12): Brian Orakpo DE/OLB Texas
- Orakpo gives us the ability to have a great DE in a 4-3 and a LB that can apply pressure and still has the athletic ability to drop back into coverage. I can see him being the Denver version of Terrell Suggs. With Raji flying up draft boards, and the Browns now seemingly looking for a ILB, Orakpo could definetly fall, especially if the race for LT's hits early in the draft, like it has in the past.

Round 2 (#48 ): Clint Sintim OLB Virginia
-With the draft stock of English, Matthews, and Cushing rising, and the slight fall of Sintim, I can definetly see Clint lasting to us in the second round. Some might say this won't happen, but Sintim has definetly seen a slight fall, and he was originally expected to be a late 1st - early 2nd. If Sintim were to fall to us in the position, we have to pull the trigger.

Round 3 (#79): Michael Hamlin SS Clemson
-With the acquisition of Atogwe via FA, SS is the next position in the secondary to be addressed. Enter Hamlin, not a flashy guy, but paired with a ballhawk like Atogwe, Hamlin brings the skillset to play against the run and still be effective against the pass. A safe, steady player like Hamlin, paired with a gutsy, risk-taker like Atogwe, Denver can expect to see a great safety tandem for years.

Round 4 (#100 - from Seattle): Jarron Gilbert DE/DT San Jose State
- Gilbert barely falls out of the 3rd round, but with Denver getting the 4th pick in the 4th from Seattle in the Bly trade, Denver gets a freakish athlete in Gilbert. Gilbert has all the ability to be a great DE in a 3-4.

Round 4 (#107 - from Buffalo): James Davis RB Clemson
- Davis is a no-nonsense, straight-forward runner that will excel in the ZBS that will be kept in Denver. He doesn't have great hands out of the backfield, but luckily he will play a Maroney-type role and a guy like Alridge will play more of a Kevin Faulk role (Receiver out of the backfield) in McDaniels Offense. Davis will be the primary runner for Denver for years to come.

Round 5 (#132 - from Seattle): Jasper Brinkley ILB South Carolina
-Brinkley is a huge (6'2 265) ILB who is a beast against the run. He is coming off a knee injury but prior to the injury was considered a first-round talent. He has every ability to be a force on the inside in a 3-4. The only knock on him is his ability to cover the pass. But in the 5th, his ability is hard to pass up.

Round 5 (#142?): AQ Shipley C Penn State
- Shipley has always been a great Center for Penn State, he is actually very similar in size to Dan Koppen (starting center this past year for New England). Shipley is 6'1 297 and Koppen is 6'2 296. Shipley is no slouch of a Center and he does have a mean streak and always completes his blocks. He gets to spend a year under Weigmann to learn the offense, and in 2010 I fully expect him to take the reins and continue the solid OL play.

Round 6 : Sammie Lee Hill NT Stillman- He has the size (6'4 330) to be a NT in a 3-4 scheme and he is a very athletic individual. His lack of exposure to top talent lets him fall this far, but with proper coaching and gradually working him into things, I have full faith in Hill and I do believe he could become a very impressive NT in the NFL.

Round 7 : Jamarko Simmons WR Western Michigan
- Another Big receiver (6'2 240) who won't blow you away with his speed (about a 4.6) but he does have good hands and has a lot of potential. The first time I saw Simmons, I immediately thought of B-Marsh. At this point, you can't do much better and Simmons would add some quality depth to the receiving corps.

Denver's 2009-2010 Depth Chart:

Defense:

LDE: Marcus Thomas, Carlton Powell
NT: Gabe Watson, Sammie Lee Hill
RDE: Mike Wright, Jarron Gilbert
L OLB: Clint Sintim
LILB: DJ Williams
RILB: Spencer Larsen or Jasper Brinkley
ROLB: Brian Orakpo
CB: Jabari Greer
FS: OJ Atogwe
SS: Michael Hamlin or Josh Barrett
CB: Champ Bailey

Offense:

QB: Jay Cutler
RB: James Davis, Alridge, Torain
FB: Hillis
OL: Same
WR: Brandon Marshall, Jamarko Simmons
WR: Eddie Royal, Brandon Stokely
TE: Daniel Graham, Tony Scheffler

Ziggy
02-01-2009, 10:49 AM
I like the plan, but there are a couple of snags along the way.

1. I doubt that Seattle or anyone else trades for Bly, because he makes too much.

2. I don't hink Orapko drops to 12.

3. Jarron Gilbert is going to be one of the fast risers during the combine. Just a prediction, but he's crazy athletic, and I think he'll shoot up draft boards with the numbers he's going to put up.

I love the plan though, good job. Atogwe would look great in a Denver uniform, and would give us the ball hawking safety we've been lacking for many many years. I'm not sure that Sintim falls out of the first round either, but if he was there in the 2nd, he could make an impact in the 3-4 scheme. Gabe Watson would be a great addition, and even be worth a 3rd IMO.

oubronco
02-01-2009, 11:02 AM
good work

Inkana7
02-01-2009, 11:03 AM
Awesome plan, and realistic.

Paladin
02-01-2009, 11:30 AM
I like the plan, but there are a couple of snags along the way.

1. I doubt that Seattle or anyone else trades for Bly, because he makes too much.

2. I don't hink Orapko drops to 12.

3. Jarron Gilbert is going to be one of the fast risers during the combine. Just a prediction, but he's crazy athletic, ad I think he'll shoot up draft boards with the numbers he's going to put up.

I love the plan though, good job. Atogwe would look great in a Denver uniform, and would give us the ball hawking safety we've been lacking for many many years. I'm not sure that Sintim falls out of the first round either, but if he was there in the 2nd, he could make an impact in the 3-4 scheme. Gabe Watson would be a great addition, and even be worth a 3rd IMO.

Every time someone moves up, someone comes down. As long as it is a D guy, the Broncos could get lucky - and even get a Curry. Strange things have happened in the draft, and getting Clady, for example, was a very nice "strange" event.

I like your plan, and I wish I could pull a "Captain Picard" and say: "Make it so." But I do not have a single idea about how Goodman will see the draft. If trades are possible, this would be a year that some would be made, I would think.

Getting a replacement for Bly is high on my wish list, and for that reason alone, you get my vote.

Snarfalicious
02-01-2009, 11:39 AM
Every time someone moves up, someone comes down. As long as it is a D guy, the Broncos could get lucky - and even get a Curry. Strange things have happened in the draft, and getting Clady, for example, was a very nice "strange" event.

I like your plan, and I wish I could pull a "Captain Picard" and say: "Make it so." But I do not have a single idea about how Goodman will see the draft. If trades are possible, this would be a year that some would be made, I would think.

Getting a replacement for Bly is high on my wish list, and for that reason alone, you get my vote.

That was exactly my reasoning behind a guy like Orakpo falling. Raji will most likely go top 10 now, and KC has a new report saying they are eyeing Stafford if the Lions pass. And Cleveland is also looking for an ILB so Maualuga might go there. I think it's def. possibly Orakpo falls to us, and even if he doesn't, my personal backup option, Everette Brown probably will be there. And if we were to trade Doom to Buffalo, them drafting a guy like Brown or Orakpo doesn't make too much sense anymore. Just how I looked at it, in my eyes it was like a domino effect.

Elway777
02-01-2009, 12:26 PM
Watson will receive at least a 2 round tender offer . I don't think Bly is tradable with his contract. I still like the Greer signing .Maybe Bly could become nickle for a year before the Broncos cut him with Greer as the starter. I would rather have Donald Brown in the second and Victor Butler in the 4 round. Good offseason plan that and solid draft.

oubronco
02-01-2009, 12:58 PM
That was exactly my reasoning behind a guy like Orakpo falling. Raji will most likely go top 10 now, and KC has a new report saying they are eyeing Stafford if the Lions pass. And Cleveland is also looking for an ILB so Maualuga might go there. I think it's def. possibly Orakpo falls to us, and even if he doesn't, my personal backup option, Everette Brown probably will be there. And if we were to trade Doom to Buffalo, them drafting a guy like Brown or Orakpo doesn't make too much sense anymore. Just how I looked at it, in my eyes it was like a domino effect.

yea but if Buffalo were going DE why wouldn't they take Orakpo

Snarfalicious
02-01-2009, 01:13 PM
yea but if Buffalo were going DE why wouldn't they take Orakpo

Because they had traded for Doom, who is a pass-rush specialist. You wouldn't use your first pick if you essentially have that position filled. They run a 4-3, so Doom/Kelsay , Williams, Stroud, and Schobel would be their front 4. I think you could see them use that 1st to either move back, or draft a guy like Pettigrew. It's obvious they need a C, but Mack would be a bit of a reach at that point.

TheReverend
02-01-2009, 06:05 PM
4th rounder for Watson is absolutely hilarious. You should do stand-up, dude. Your subtle humor is priceless.

Broncos_OTM
02-01-2009, 07:19 PM
I like the plan, but there are a couple of snags along the way.

1. I doubt that Seattle or anyone else trades for Bly, because he makes too much.

2. I don't hink Orapko drops to 12.

3. Jarron Gilbert is going to be one of the fast risers during the combine. Just a prediction, but he's crazy athletic, ad I think he'll shoot up draft boards with the numbers he's going to put up.

I love the plan though, good job. Atogwe would look great in a Denver uniform, and would give us the ball hawking safety we've been lacking for many many years. I'm not sure that Sintim falls out of the first round either, but if he was there in the 2nd, he could make an impact in the 3-4 scheme. Gabe Watson would be a great addition, and even be worth a 3rd IMO.way to go out on a limb he has been riseing.. and then after his senior bowl and what not.. hes been a riser nothing new

Broncos_OTM
02-01-2009, 07:22 PM
yea but if Buffalo were going DE why wouldn't they take Orakpo

I am not advocating tradeing doom but. He is a gamer and has done it at the pro leval. they get good value and can/ could address another position

socalorado
02-02-2009, 06:33 AM
Watson for a 4th. Yeah, right. Sure. Thats gonna happen.
I like your offseason ideas, however, but your draft makes me wanna gouge my eyes out.

_Oro_
02-02-2009, 06:40 AM
I have a crazy plan, how about we use Doom as a pass rushing specialist?

gyldenlove
02-02-2009, 07:03 AM
As such not a bad plan, a few things that are debatable if they are realistic or not.

My biggest point of criticism here is James Davis, if we are going to a spread style offense for the passing game we need a RB who can pass block, and James Davis may be the worst pass blocker since Ryan Torain. Davis got beaten like a bongodrum at a hippie party all week at the senior bowl in pass protection.

It is so important that when you play spread that your RB knows where the pressure will come and can stop it long enough for your QB to get the pass out. With Davis we will get Cutler killed. I don't think there is any doubt that Peyton Hillis is the best reciever out of the backfield we have, he has amazing hands, runs good routes, has good ball awareness and is deceptively fast, plus he presents a real mismatch for a cornerback when he gets into the flat and should be able to run over quite a few DBs for extra gains.

Snarfalicious
02-02-2009, 10:30 AM
Watson for a 4th. Yeah, right. Sure. Thats gonna happen.
I like your offseason ideas, however, but your draft makes me wanna gouge my eyes out.

No need for a rude comment, you might want to state what you'd rather see, otherwise, you kind of look like your just attempting to stir the pot with no base on your reasoning. I would like to hear your ideas, I'm always one that takes criticism well as long as the person backs up their claims. I would like to know what you rather see, in case I were to make a Mock later, I would have a good sense of what people would like to see, after all, we make mocks in order to make people happy and amused.

Snarfalicious
02-02-2009, 10:35 AM
As such not a bad plan, a few things that are debatable if they are realistic or not.

My biggest point of criticism here is James Davis, if we are going to a spread style offense for the passing game we need a RB who can pass block, and James Davis may be the worst pass blocker since Ryan Torain. Davis got beaten like a bongodrum at a hippie party all week at the senior bowl in pass protection.

It is so important that when you play spread that your RB knows where the pressure will come and can stop it long enough for your QB to get the pass out. With Davis we will get Cutler killed. I don't think there is any doubt that Peyton Hillis is the best reciever out of the backfield we have, he has amazing hands, runs good routes, has good ball awareness and is deceptively fast, plus he presents a real mismatch for a cornerback when he gets into the flat and should be able to run over quite a few DBs for extra gains.

I agree completely. He definetly showed his glaring weakness at the Senior Bowl with his ability (or lack thereof) to pass block. I think it can be taught, it's just a matter of recognizing the blitz or unblocked man, getting leverage, and picking it up effectively. I was expecting to see McDaniels use him more of like a Maroney type, a tote the rock in between the tackles kind of guy. Whereas Hillis and Alridge (possibly) could be the Kevin Faulk type players since they both posess great hands out of the backfield and Alridge has the speed and Hillis has the power. I know some would say that Torain is technically the same back as Davis, but I just am not sold on the guys toughness and his ability to stay on the field for an extended amount of time since he's been hurt since his senior year in college. Thanks for the analysis, appreciate your views on Davis.

Drek
02-02-2009, 12:06 PM
What I don't like:
Trading Bly - we're currently even up on his contract (cap number = bonus remaining that gets accelerated with a cut/trade) so we free up no space in moving him and actually lose space in having to sign a replacement. He's also better than Greer or other cost efficient options out there but despite that he won't trade well because of his age and the fact that the back end of his deal is big money years.

Trading Dumervil - I think he fits a 3-4 front pretty well and he's a proven capable pass rusher. Why would we give him up for exactly what he cost us a few years ago? And no team will probably want to pay more so you're at an impass. Keep him and let him become a pass rushing OLB.

Drafting Orakpo - He's basically a more productive, more athletically gifted version of Crowder. Inconsistent motor and poor fundamentals, like all of UT's guys. I would prefer to see us never draft another UT guy again until their coaching staff actually starts teachin fundamentals and technique instead of living off the athletic freaks they get to recruit from within the state.

Other problems:
No backup for Jay?
All your starting RBs have missed significant time recently to injury.
You have a 7th round WR as our #4.
Assuming that a lesser prospect drafted in the same round is a better option for our future C than Lichtenstieger.
A handful of guys (Gilbert, Davis, Hill, and if he runs well at the combine Brinkley) are being taken probably at least a round later than they would actually go.
I don't see Watson coming that cheap either. We'll be better off with a cheaper stopgap like Fields while we look for a legit stud NT in the draft.

What I like:
Brinkley. I think he'll be a very good bulldozer 3-4 ILB who comes off the field on passing downs.

Greer. I'd like him better as our nickel back who could replace Bly in a year or so, but he's a solid CB.

Sammie Lee Hill. Like his potential, though he will probably be a couple years from paying off.

Sintim. I think there is a very strong chance he falls to us in the 2nd and he'd be great value there.

Snarfalicious
02-02-2009, 03:44 PM
What I don't like:
Trading Bly - we're currently even up on his contract (cap number = bonus remaining that gets accelerated with a cut/trade) so we free up no space in moving him and actually lose space in having to sign a replacement. He's also better than Greer or other cost efficient options out there but despite that he won't trade well because of his age and the fact that the back end of his deal is big money years.

Trading Dumervil - I think he fits a 3-4 front pretty well and he's a proven capable pass rusher. Why would we give him up for exactly what he cost us a few years ago? And no team will probably want to pay more so you're at an impass. Keep him and let him become a pass rushing OLB.

Drafting Orakpo - He's basically a more productive, more athletically gifted version of Crowder. Inconsistent motor and poor fundamentals, like all of UT's guys. I would prefer to see us never draft another UT guy again until their coaching staff actually starts teachin fundamentals and technique instead of living off the athletic freaks they get to recruit from within the state.

Other problems:
No backup for Jay?
All your starting RBs have missed significant time recently to injury.
You have a 7th round WR as our #4.
Assuming that a lesser prospect drafted in the same round is a better option for our future C than Lichtenstieger.
A handful of guys (Gilbert, Davis, Hill, and if he runs well at the combine Brinkley) are being taken probably at least a round later than they would actually go.
I don't see Watson coming that cheap either. We'll be better off with a cheaper stopgap like Fields while we look for a legit stud NT in the draft.

What I like:
Brinkley. I think he'll be a very good bulldozer 3-4 ILB who comes off the field on passing downs.

Greer. I'd like him better as our nickel back who could replace Bly in a year or so, but he's a solid CB.

Sammie Lee Hill. Like his potential, though he will probably be a couple years from paying off.

Sintim. I think there is a very strong chance he falls to us in the 2nd and he'd be great value there.


Thanks for your input man. All's appreciated. Glad to see you liked some and disliked some (and actually stated it instead of being like "Der it sucks"). I am not sold on Doom's ability to play in a 3-4, and I do believe if we were to trade him it would be wise to do so now. Getting a 4th for him would prove to be a future starter in the 3-4 or on O.

I actually have been high on Brinkley for a couple years now, even prior to his injury. He lost a little speed as a result of the injury, but in my opinion, he is one of the best run stuffing ILB's in this draft because he rarely is out of place, and he consistently wraps up rather than trying to deliver the highlight blow. I'll take a consistent tackler than a guy who is going to blow up the runner on an occasion, and miss a few tackles in doing so.

I do think Hill is a 2-year project but he has all the intangibles to thrive as a NT in the 3-4, he probably just needs good coaching and what-not.

If Sintim were to fall to us in the 2nd I think he's the obvious choice unless Delmas were to somehow reach us in the second (which most likely won't happen with his skyrocketing up draft boards). Sintim is a great, consistent player who is familiar with the 3-4.

Getting Everette Brown would be nice as well, but to get Orakpo or him would personally make me happy. Brown has all the talent and burst, whereas Orakpo has similar skillsets and has a great work ethic as well.

Drek
02-03-2009, 04:25 AM
Thanks for your input man. All's appreciated. Glad to see you liked some and disliked some (and actually stated it instead of being like "Der it sucks"). I am not sold on Doom's ability to play in a 3-4, and I do believe if we were to trade him it would be wise to do so now. Getting a 4th for him would prove to be a future starter in the 3-4 or on O.
I think your valuation of a 4th rounder is somewhat clouded by our recent draft success. Dumervil has a better chance at becoming an impact 3-4 OLB than pretty much anyone we could get in the 4th, so he's got more value than that to us. At the same time I don't see many teams willing to give more than that for him thanks to his weak season this year, so we're better off keeping the cards we've been dealt.

If he put up another 10+ sack year then we might be talking a 2nd and I'd be all for that, unfortunately that was not the case though.

If Sintim were to fall to us in the 2nd I think he's the obvious choice unless Delmas were to somehow reach us in the second (which most likely won't happen with his skyrocketing up draft boards). Sintim is a great, consistent player who is familiar with the 3-4.
A 3-4 OLB prospect I really like is Connor Barwin. A couple seasons at TE and a season at DE, very rough around the edges, but he's got great size/speed/agility measurables and very good hands. As a SOLB in the 3-4 where he would have to cover some I think his ball skills would pay off huge and he obviously has natural pass rush ability (see his great season at DE this year). Might take a year or two to develop but he could be an elite player after getting coached up.

Getting Everette Brown would be nice as well, but to get Orakpo or him would personally make me happy. Brown has all the talent and burst, whereas Orakpo has similar skillsets and has a great work ethic as well.

I'd take Brown over Orakpo any day of the week. I just have zero faith in UT players, especially those at positions where superior athleticism and raw talent can dominate, to succeed at the pro level. They don't know how to play fundamentally sound football and so they end up struggling in the pros where everyone is talented and athletically gifted.

socalorado
02-03-2009, 06:35 AM
No need for a rude comment, you might want to state what you'd rather see, otherwise, you kind of look like your just attempting to stir the pot with no base on your reasoning. I would like to hear your ideas, I'm always one that takes criticism well as long as the person backs up their claims. I would like to know what you rather see, in case I were to make a Mock later, I would have a good sense of what people would like to see, after all, we make mocks in order to make people happy and amused.

Not rude! I really do wanna gouge out my eyes!

Watson will cost a 2nd. Maybe with a player, a 3rd. Theres no way in hell they let him walk without true value compensation. Hes too talented. I would LOVE to get him, but it would be for a 2nd. When making these trades, unless its DJ or Champ or a player on offense, its always going to be DEN on the underside of the trade. Always.
I have proposed as well as a few others thast DEN should trade a 5th for Ronald Fields. Fields has potential, but he hasnt done jack squat, and is a Nolan player for the NT, so his value isnt very high.
I am the OJ ATOGWE HOMER of this board! ASK ANYONE! I want him as much as ANY player in FA this year. But it will be a miracle that STL doesnt just franchise him. STL is known as a cheap @$$ team, and they historically have screwed over many players during FA, so maybe, JUST MAYBE DEN can steal him away. The FA franchising period has begun, FEB 2nd through the 19th.
16 days to go................So have a back up. Sean Jones of CLE would be a perfect fit. he can play either FS or SS. Proven player worth the $$.
I would rather keep Bly whom i hate, ask anyone, than go after Greer. Shoot i would rather take Josh Bell over Greer. Bell has shown just as much promise playing the moron, Slowdick defense. The CBs are not the problem, its the pass rush. And i hate Bly, ask anyone here.
Orakpo-reach
Sintim-will be long gone
Hamlin- Sure
Gilbert-Sure. But why not get Dorell Scott in the 3rd? Gilberts stock is rising. he wont be there.
Davis-meh. Cannot block to save his life. "Ragdoll". Andre Brown who is excellent is Pass Pro instead.
Brinkley-HUGE injury concern. But at this point, sure.
Shipley-Sure
Watson-sure
Hill-sure

Snarfalicious
02-03-2009, 06:48 AM
Not rude! I really do wanna gouge out my eyes!

Watson will cost a 2nd. Maybe with a player, a 3rd. Theres no way in hell they let him walk without true value compensation. Hes too talented. I would LOVE to get him, but it would be for a 2nd. When making these trades, unless its DJ or Champ or a player on offense, its always going to be DEN on the underside of the trade. Always.
I have proposed as well as a few others thast DEN should trade a 5th for Ronald Fields. Fields has potential, but he hasnt done jack squat, and is a Nolan player for the NT, so his value isnt very high.
I am the OJ ATOGWE HOMER of this board! ASK ANYONE! I want him as much as ANY player in FA this year. But it will be a miracle that STL doesnt just franchise him. STL is known as a cheap @$$ team, and they historically have screwed over many players during FA, so maybe, JUST MAYBE DEN can steal him away. The FA franchising period has begun, FEB 2nd through the 19th.
16 days to go................So have a back up. Sean Jones of CLE would be a perfect fit. he can play either FS or SS. Proven player worth the $$.
I would rather keep Bly whom i hate, ask anyone, than go after Greer. Shoot i would rather take Josh Bell over Greer. Bell has shown just as much promise playing the moron, Slowdick defense. The CBs are not the problem, its the pass rush. And i hate Bly, ask anyone here.
Orakpo-reach
Sintim-will be long gone
Hamlin- Sure
Gilbert-Sure. But why not get Dorell Scott in the 3rd? Gilberts stock is rising. he wont be there.
Davis-meh. Cannot block to save his life. "Ragdoll". Andre Brown who is excellent is Pass Pro instead.
Brinkley-HUGE injury concern. But at this point, sure.
Shipley-Sure
Watson-sure
Hill-sure

That's more like it. Thanks for the response. I def. think we will sign a FA safety this offseason, whether that is Atogwe, Phillips, Jones or Landry (Hopefully not Sanders, I've never liked him). Atogwe is my personal favorite simply because of the lack of turnovers we had, and the guy is a playmaking baller. Jones is another great option, but I'm not sure if he will leave Cleveland. I think at most, Watson will cost a 3rd, but Fields def. is another option. As for Sintim, if he is gone before he gets to us, it won't be by much.

As of late, English, Matthews and possibly even Barwin with this ability to play DE/TE/OLB might have actually passed Sintim. I have a feeling Sintim would be there in the 2nd, obviously I'm hoping Delmas would be there, but I don't see that happening anymore with the sucking of Moore and other than that the top of the safety class is graded as 2nd to 3rd round talent.

Thanks for the response man.

Snarfalicious
02-03-2009, 07:00 AM
I think your valuation of a 4th rounder is somewhat clouded by our recent draft success. Dumervil has a better chance at becoming an impact 3-4 OLB than pretty much anyone we could get in the 4th, so he's got more value than that to us. At the same time I don't see many teams willing to give more than that for him thanks to his weak season this year, so we're better off keeping the cards we've been dealt.

If he put up another 10+ sack year then we might be talking a 2nd and I'd be all for that, unfortunately that was not the case though.


A 3-4 OLB prospect I really like is Connor Barwin. A couple seasons at TE and a season at DE, very rough around the edges, but he's got great size/speed/agility measurables and very good hands. As a SOLB in the 3-4 where he would have to cover some I think his ball skills would pay off huge and he obviously has natural pass rush ability (see his great season at DE this year). Might take a year or two to develop but he could be an elite player after getting coached up.



I'd take Brown over Orakpo any day of the week. I just have zero faith in UT players, especially those at positions where superior athleticism and raw talent can dominate, to succeed at the pro level. They don't know how to play fundamentally sound football and so they end up struggling in the pros where everyone is talented and athletically gifted.

I think we could def. get a future starter in the 4th in this draft. I don't think that's a very off-base statement. Granted, its a crap shoot, but a guy like Chip Vaughn, who is a little raw, could very well be an option and a guy with proper coaching could excel at safety.

I do like Barwin as well, something has to be said for his ability to be so versatile. It takes some extreme athleticism to do what he does. He could be our Mike Vrabel (Tackles and goal-line TD threat!). Either way, I think we have plenty of options in the first few rounds that will def. come in and challenge for starting spots right away. There are many ways we could go, and getting the likes of an English, Sintim, Matthews, or Barwin would be welcomed in my eyes.

I think the most cloudy situation right now is what we do with the 12th pick. If we get a RB, I might just jump out of my window. And I'm not completely sold on Raji or Maualuga. I hope we get a guy like Brown or Orakpo, I think they will be very similar to a Terrell Suggs type player just based off their versatility and athletic intangibles. We can all pray that the stars allign and the messiah (Aaron Curry) falls to us, but that's not going to happen. So in a nutshell, Brown or Orakpo would make me happy inside.

If Maualuga were to be a more consistent player, I would be all for him, but he really isn't. Granted he is great against the run, but he's not very good against the pass, and there's a player very similar to him in that regard that will be avaible in the 5th (Yes, Mr. Brinkley).

Raji, when he goes full-board, is downright nasty, but the problem with him is he takes plays off, and whenever I think of one our DL taking a play off, I instantly think of "Insert Any Runningback We Played Last Year Here" running down the field past our D.

Paladin
02-03-2009, 07:54 AM
Snarf: I really appreciate your analysis of the players. I hope to see a NT and a S in FA. I wouldn't mind seeing a LB also, but there may be some reticence to go overboard in FA because of the need to save dollars for to re-sign the Broncos' own FAs.

There has been much cussing and discussing around here about the lack of a true MLB. So, if there is a FA NT signed and a S signed, wouldn't a MLB be a better pick in the first or the second? I understand that there is a need for OLBs, but stopping up the middle seems to me to be a real need.

After Rey-Rey, I have no idea who that might be.

MagicHef
02-03-2009, 07:59 AM
I think we could def. get a future starter in the 4th in this draft. I don't think that's a very off-base statement. Granted, its a crap shoot, but a guy like Chip Vaughn, who is a little raw, could very well be an option and a guy with proper coaching could excel at safety.

I do like Barwin as well, something has to be said for his ability to be so versatile. It takes some extreme athleticism to do what he does. He could be our Mike Vrabel (Tackles and goal-line TD threat!). Either way, I think we have plenty of options in the first few rounds that will def. come in and challenge for starting spots right away. There are many ways we could go, and getting the likes of an English, Sintim, Matthews, or Barwin would be welcomed in my eyes.

I think the most cloudy situation right now is what we do with the 12th pick. If we get a RB, I might just jump out of my window. And I'm not completely sold on Raji or Maualuga. I hope we get a guy like Brown or Orakpo, I think they will be very similar to a Terrell Suggs type player just based off their versatility and athletic intangibles. We can all pray that the stars allign and the messiah (Aaron Curry) falls to us, but that's not going to happen. So in a nutshell, Brown or Orakpo would make me happy inside.

If Maualuga were to be a more consistent player, I would be all for him, but he really isn't. Granted he is great against the run, but he's not very good against the pass, and there's a player very similar to him in that regard that will be avaible in the 5th (Yes, Mr. Brinkley).

Raji, when he goes full-board, is downright nasty, but the problem with him is he takes plays off, and whenever I think of one our DL taking a play off, I instantly think of "Insert Any Runningback We Played Last Year Here" running down the field past our D.

I agree on Barwin, and I hope that no one is around me when the pick is announced if it is an RB. I'm really hoping for Brown, for some reason Orakpo reminds me of Gholston. Maybe that's not fair, since Gholston was just a rookie, but it kind of seems like Orakpo made a name for himself in the weight room, and Brown made a name for himself on the field.

socalorado
02-03-2009, 08:00 AM
Snarf: I really appreciate your analysis of the players. I hope to see a NT and a S in FA. I wouldn't mind seeing a LB also, but there may be some reticence to go overboard in FA because of the need to save dollars for to re-sign the Broncos' own FAs.

There has been much cussing and discussing around here about the lack of a true MLB. So, if there is a FA NT signed and a S signed, wouldn't a MLB be a better pick in the first or the second? I understand that there is a need for OLBs, but stopping up the middle seems to me to be a real need.

After Rey-Rey, I have no idea who that might be.



http://walterfootball.com/college/EasternMichigan_logo.gif Daniel Holtzclaw, Eastern Michigan
Height: 6-1. Weight: 245.
Projected 40 Time: 4.65.
Projected Round (2009): 4
12/7/08: Don't blame Daniel Holtzclaw for Eastern Michigan's poor season. Holtzclaw, one of the more underrated players in the nation, notched 107 tackles and 4.5 TFL. He has started every game in his collegiate career.
http://walterfootball.com/college/California_logo.gif Worrell Williams, California
Height: 6-2. Weight: 249.
Projected 40 Time: 4.68.
Projected Round (2009): 4-5.
12/7/08: Worrell Williams is having an outstanding season and will be targeted by 3-4 defenses in April. Williams has 55 tackles, five TFL and six passes broken up.


http://walterfootball.com/college/Pittsburgh_logo.gif Scott McKillop, Pittsburgh
Height: 6-1. Weight: 243.
Projected 40 Time: 4.69.
Projected Round (2009): 4-5.
1/10/09: Amazingly, an AP All-America Second Team member. Scott McKillop registered 137 total tackles, 17.5 TFL, four sacks and four passes broken up.
http://walterfootball.com/college/TCU_logo.gif Jason Phillips, TCU
Height: 6-1. Weight: 234.
Projected 40 Time: 4.55.
Projected Round (2009): 4.
1/10/09: Finished with a whopping 13 TFL, as well as 84 tackles and 3.5 sacks.

http://walterfootball.com/college/Georgia_logo.gif Dannell Ellerbe, Georgia
Height: 6-1. Weight: 235.
Projected 40 Time: 4.60.
Projected Round (2009): 3-4.
1/10/09: Injuries have slowed down Dannell Ellerbe, who collected six TFL and a pair of sacks as

http://walterfootball.com/college/LSU_logo.gif Darry Beckwith, LSU
Height: 6-0. Weight: 233.
Projected 40 Time: 4.55.
Projected Round (2009): 3.
12/7/08: Darry Beckwith has missed some time with a knee injury. He has 48 tackles and a TFL.

Drek
02-03-2009, 09:08 AM
I think we could def. get a future starter in the 4th in this draft. I don't think that's a very off-base statement. Granted, its a crap shoot, but a guy like Chip Vaughn, who is a little raw, could very well be an option and a guy with proper coaching could excel at safety.
We could, and this should be a pretty deep draft. But ask yourself this. If Dumervil was a prospect in this draft, a guy who put up 20 sacks his senior year at DE and ran a 4.6 40 on a bum ankle, would you consider him a good 3-4 prospect and worth a 4th round pick?

I sure would. And since then he's put up over 20 sacks in the NFL over 3 seasons, showing that he definitely can rush the passer at this level. He might not work out in a 3-4 but he's got a lot more potential than anyone we could hope to get in the 4th round.

I think the most cloudy situation right now is what we do with the 12th pick. If we get a RB, I might just jump out of my window. And I'm not completely sold on Raji or Maualuga. I hope we get a guy like Brown or Orakpo, I think they will be very similar to a Terrell Suggs type player just based off their versatility and athletic intangibles. We can all pray that the stars allign and the messiah (Aaron Curry) falls to us, but that's not going to happen. So in a nutshell, Brown or Orakpo would make me happy inside.
I'm just not a big fan of spending a real high pick on any OLB type who isn't a complete player (like Curry), especially when we have Dumervil, Moss, and Crowder, three high potential guys, who only really project as OLB types AND this draft is full of 3-4 type DE/OLBs such as Barwin, Sintim, etc. that we could get in the 2nd, 3rd, etc..

I think we'd be just fine at OLB if we go with Doom, Moss, Crowder, and a 2nd or 3rd rounder for young prospects, with a solid FA signing and Boss Bailey to give our OLBs some veteran presence.

If Maualuga were to be a more consistent player, I would be all for him, but he really isn't. Granted he is great against the run, but he's not very good against the pass, and there's a player very similar to him in that regard that will be avaible in the 5th (Yes, Mr. Brinkley).
The only way we take Maualuga is if Nolan really likes him, and if Nolan really likes him thats enough for me. He's earned his stripes on LBs more than just about anyone else in the league.

Me personally though? I do prefer Brinkley. We're almost definitely going to let DJ play the ILB spot of a Ray Lewis/Patrick Willis where he cleans up the tackles and the other ILB is just going to fill gaps and take up blockers for him. 12th overall is real high to take a gap plugger, especially when we already have Larsen. Brinkley teamed with Larsen should fill that role nicely and let DJ run free to make plays.

MagicHef
02-03-2009, 09:43 AM
We could, and this should be a pretty deep draft. But ask yourself this. If Dumervil was a prospect in this draft, a guy who put up 20 sacks his senior year at DE and ran a 4.6 40 on a bum ankle, would you consider him a good 3-4 prospect and worth a 4th round pick?

I sure would. And since then he's put up over 20 sacks in the NFL over 3 seasons, showing that he definitely can rush the passer at this level. He might not work out in a 3-4 but he's got a lot more potential than anyone we could hope to get in the 4th round.


I'm just not a big fan of spending a real high pick on any OLB type who isn't a complete player (like Curry), especially when we have Dumervil, Moss, and Crowder, three high potential guys, who only really project as OLB types AND this draft is full of 3-4 type DE/OLBs such as Barwin, Sintim, etc. that we could get in the 2nd, 3rd, etc..

I think we'd be just fine at OLB if we go with Doom, Moss, Crowder, and a 2nd or 3rd rounder for young prospects, with a solid FA signing and Boss Bailey to give our OLBs some veteran presence.


The only way we take Maualuga is if Nolan really likes him, and if Nolan really likes him thats enough for me. He's earned his stripes on LBs more than just about anyone else in the league.

Me personally though? I do prefer Brinkley. We're almost definitely going to let DJ play the ILB spot of a Ray Lewis/Patrick Willis where he cleans up the tackles and the other ILB is just going to fill gaps and take up blockers for him. 12th overall is real high to take a gap plugger, especially when we already have Larsen. Brinkley teamed with Larsen should fill that role nicely and let DJ run free to make plays.

I definitely agree on Dumervil. If we keep him, at worst we have a good situational pass rusher, which is very valuable. At best, we have a starting OLB with three years of experience in the NFL.

Who do you want at #12, then? Personally, I want Brown.

socalorado
02-03-2009, 09:52 AM
I definitely agree on Dumervil. If we keep him, at worst we have a good situational pass rusher, which is very valuable. At best, we have a starting OLB with three years of experience in the NFL.

Who do you want at #12, then? Personally, I want Brown.

What if Brown is gone? Then who?

MagicHef
02-03-2009, 10:15 AM
What if Brown is gone? Then who?

This would probably be my list, but I'm assuming Curry is long since gone.

1) Curry
2) Brown
3) Raji
4) Jenkins
5) Maualuga
6) Orakpo

socalorado
02-03-2009, 10:37 AM
This would probably be my list, but I'm assuming Curry is long since gone.

1) Curry
2) Brown
3) Raji
4) Jenkins
5) Maualuga
6) Orakpo

Mine

1) Curry
2a) Maualuga
2b) Brown
4) Jenkins
5) Raji
6) Orakpo

Drek
02-03-2009, 11:58 AM
My top 5 for #12:

1. Curry - obviously, by a country mile.

2. Jenkins - great CB talent who would make an ideal understudy behind Champ and Bly for one year, taking Bly's place for next season, and keeping our CB play at an elite level for the foreseeable future.

3. BJ Raji - big risk but he reminds me a lot of Haloti Ngata and he does very well in the 3-4 formation as an NT. We really need help on the DL, I'm just iffy on Raji taking the next step (as I am with all DLs) and spending what needs to be a homerun pick on him is a big leap of faith.

4. Wells - the big knock is his health. If he can stay on the field he can dominate, and would pair up with Hillis out of the backfield to give our defense another dimension. Would any of us pass up Adrian Peterson at #12? I don't think so. Wells is a step slower but 20 pounds heavier, he'd be a beast behind our OL and make Jay's life a lot easier.

5. This is the tough one to slot for me. I'd be fine with Maualuga if Nolan likes him. I'd be ok with Brown if they like him as a OLB as well. Hell, you could even convince me of the merits behind selecting Vontae Davis here. Lot of guys I'd be marginally interested in but none I'd be real happy with lacking a reasonable connect the dots conclusion as to "why?"

Paladin
02-03-2009, 12:21 PM
Thanks, Drek. Those guys are all 3rd or 4th round picks, and they sound interesting. That would give the 1st and 2nd some freedom to get the defensive BAA who plays at a position of need*.......



*(See how confused I am..)

socalorado
02-03-2009, 01:38 PM
My top 5 for #12:

1. Curry - obviously, by a country mile.

2. Jenkins - great CB talent who would make an ideal understudy behind Champ and Bly for one year, taking Bly's place for next season, and keeping our CB play at an elite level for the foreseeable future.

3. BJ Raji - big risk but he reminds me a lot of Haloti Ngata and he does very well in the 3-4 formation as an NT. We really need help on the DL, I'm just iffy on Raji taking the next step (as I am with all DLs) and spending what needs to be a homerun pick on him is a big leap of faith.

4. Wells - the big knock is his health. If he can stay on the field he can dominate, and would pair up with Hillis out of the backfield to give our defense another dimension. Would any of us pass up Adrian Peterson at #12? I don't think so. Wells is a step slower but 20 pounds heavier, he'd be a beast behind our OL and make Jay's life a lot easier.

5. This is the tough one to slot for me. I'd be fine with Maualuga if Nolan likes him. I'd be ok with Brown if they like him as a OLB as well. Hell, you could even convince me of the merits behind selecting Vontae Davis here. Lot of guys I'd be marginally interested in but none I'd be real happy with lacking a reasonable connect the dots conclusion as to "why?"

The 1st 2 players to me are the most "NFL ready". I even think Jenkins is more ready than Curry based on position. Both are slam dunks. Plug and play, no questions asked.
Raji is the big risk to me. I just would rather DEN took a REY REY or a Jenkins, and then drafted Dorell Scott or went after a trade for a more accomplished NT. Such a bust position. I will say that the defensive line positions are truly just a crap shoot.
Wells is "MR Glass" to me and the biggest possible problem player in the 1st. I like him when hes healthy, but that was only for 8-9 games last year. Hes good, until someone drills him and then you dont see him for the 2nd half of the game. Which means DEN is screwed. Injuries happen to everyone, but jeez, thats a huge concern for a team with so many holes right now. Make these high picks count! Also, McCoy, Moreno, Jennings, Greene, ect, ect, theres so many other highly qualified RBs to draft later.
And yes, i would be hard pressed to pass on Vonte Davis if it was between him and Wells. Lex has mentioned that Vonte has a bit of a "neon-deon" attitude though. Kinda "its all bout me", TO thing goin on. Dont want that at all in DEN.

Snarfalicious
02-03-2009, 01:58 PM
Nice to see some conversation going on in this thread.

My top 5 at 12 would be:

1.) Curry
2.) Jenkins
3.) Brown
4.) Orakpo
5.) Raji
HM: Maualuga

I think Brown, Raji, Jenkins, and Curry are all gone before we pick. If someone before the Packers get Raji, then Brown will most likely go to them since they are switching to the 3-4 as well. If Maualuga is only a 2-down player as an ILB, then there isn't much that separates him and Brinkley in my eyes (Besides Brinkley's knee, which overall I'm not worried about). Again, I would be happy if Orakpo or Brown were there at 12. If the FO isn't sold on, say a guy like Maualuga (who I think will be available at 12 more so than the other 5 mentioned), then I would hope they would explore trading back instead of reaching.

The Patriots really could be a good option as a trade partner. I'm sure they would love to get a guy like Maualuga (Big hitter, good blitzer, run plugger) next to Mr. Reliable (Jerod Mayo) in the inside. They could even go after a top tier OT. I'm sure it's been discussed at length, but a trade for their 23rd and 47th would be very welcomed in my eyes if the FO isn't sold on any one of the available players at 12. What do you guys think about possibly moving down if that were the case (12th for 23rd and 47th, and Brown, Jenkins, Raji, Orakpo and Curry were all gone)?

Drek
02-03-2009, 02:02 PM
Raji is the big risk to me. I just would rather DEN took a REY REY or a Jenkins, and then drafted Dorell Scott or went after a trade for a more accomplished NT. Such a bust position. I will say that the defensive line positions are truly just a crap shoot.

Scott is a big crap shoot himself. Its hard to fill NT, and to do it with a true stud you got to take a risk early and hope it pays off.

But I agree, I'm not huge on Raji. As for Rey Rey, I've said it a lot on this board "what does Nolan think?" If Nolan thinks he can be a beast in the middle of the 3-4 and not just a block absorber then I'm 100% all for it. If he just sees a meat plow though who doles out the occasional big hit then no thanks. I trust Nolan's ability to rate LBs without question, he's been hitting homeruns there as long as anyone in the business.

Wells is "MR Glass" to me and the biggest possible problem player in the 1st. I like him when hes healthy, but that was only for 8-9 games last year. Hes good, until someone drills him and then you dont see him for the 2nd half of the game. Which means DEN is screwed. Injuries happen to everyone, but jeez, thats a huge concern for a team with so many holes right now. Make these high picks count! Also, McCoy, Moreno, Jennings, Greene, ect, ect, theres so many other highly qualified RBs to draft later.
None of those other RBs are even in Wells class though. When healthy he's all world.

But thats the big if. "When healthy". I hate to trust our medical staff on much, but it seems like all of Wells injuries are ticky tack. Its real possible he'll be an Adrian Peterson or Thurman Thomas type who's injury worries prove to be unfounded and make a lot of teams regret passing on him.


And yes, i would be hard pressed to pass on Vonte Davis if it was between him and Wells. Lex has mentioned that Vonte has a bit of a "neon-deon" attitude though. Kinda "its all bout me", TO thing goin on. Dont want that at all in DEN.
I can't hold the 'all bout me' attitude against CBs and WRs until it actually detracts from their play. Anyone who works on the island has to have a ton of self confidence to succeed. But yeah, he definitely isn't preferable. I'd love him at #20, be pretty disappointed if he's the best option at #12.

Snarfalicious
02-03-2009, 02:06 PM
Snarf: I really appreciate your analysis of the players. I hope to see a NT and a S in FA. I wouldn't mind seeing a LB also, but there may be some reticence to go overboard in FA because of the need to save dollars for to re-sign the Broncos' own FAs.

There has been much cussing and discussing around here about the lack of a true MLB. So, if there is a FA NT signed and a S signed, wouldn't a MLB be a better pick in the first or the second? I understand that there is a need for OLBs, but stopping up the middle seems to me to be a real need.

After Rey-Rey, I have no idea who that might be.



http://walterfootball.com/college/EasternMichigan_logo.gif Daniel Holtzclaw, Eastern Michigan
Height: 6-1. Weight: 245.
Projected 40 Time: 4.65.
Projected Round (2009): 4
12/7/08: Don't blame Daniel Holtzclaw for Eastern Michigan's poor season. Holtzclaw, one of the more underrated players in the nation, notched 107 tackles and 4.5 TFL. He has started every game in his collegiate career.
http://walterfootball.com/college/California_logo.gif Worrell Williams, California
Height: 6-2. Weight: 249.
Projected 40 Time: 4.68.
Projected Round (2009): 4-5.
12/7/08: Worrell Williams is having an outstanding season and will be targeted by 3-4 defenses in April. Williams has 55 tackles, five TFL and six passes broken up.


http://walterfootball.com/college/Pittsburgh_logo.gif Scott McKillop, Pittsburgh
Height: 6-1. Weight: 243.
Projected 40 Time: 4.69.
Projected Round (2009): 4-5.
1/10/09: Amazingly, an AP All-America Second Team member. Scott McKillop registered 137 total tackles, 17.5 TFL, four sacks and four passes broken up.
http://walterfootball.com/college/TCU_logo.gif Jason Phillips, TCU
Height: 6-1. Weight: 234.
Projected 40 Time: 4.55.
Projected Round (2009): 4.
1/10/09: Finished with a whopping 13 TFL, as well as 84 tackles and 3.5 sacks.

http://walterfootball.com/college/Georgia_logo.gif Dannell Ellerbe, Georgia
Height: 6-1. Weight: 235.
Projected 40 Time: 4.60.
Projected Round (2009): 3-4.
1/10/09: Injuries have slowed down Dannell Ellerbe, who collected six TFL and a pair of sacks as

http://walterfootball.com/college/LSU_logo.gif Darry Beckwith, LSU
Height: 6-0. Weight: 233.
Projected 40 Time: 4.55.
Projected Round (2009): 3.
12/7/08: Darry Beckwith has missed some time with a knee injury. He has 48 tackles and a TFL.

Nice post. Of those guys you have here, I would probably have to say I like McKillop the most. He displayed some great ability to stuff the run at the Senior Bowl by shedding lineman and delivering the blow even before the back hit the hole. He's a more athletic version of Spencer Larsen, and a pretty good playmaker as well.

Phillips is a football player. He is kind of similar to a guy like Mitch King in the fact that he's always going to have the motor, and sometimes just working harder on a play will help you overcome the talent deficit. I don't see the difference between him and Larsen to be honest though.

Also, Worrell Williams has the whole playing with your brother factor which could really bring out the best in a player. The mentality of not wanting to let your teammates down has to be amplified when your big bro is one of those guys your going to battle with. Granted, that's a pretty hypothetical claim, but I wouldn't doubt that it would light a fire under someone.

Basically, I would be a little upset if we were to take a guy like Maualuga in the first round simply because I don't think he is really worth that 12th pick. He seems like he's going to be the guy that's fun to watch if your watching the highlight tapes of him, but if you actually watch him play, you realize he lacks the ability to diagnose plays regularly and overpursues far too often. Getting a guy like McKillop, Worrell Williams, Jasper Brinkley would be ideal in my opinion. They all are successful at shedding blocks, and they are very good at meeting a runner and wrapping up rather that trying to deliver a knockout blow. They obviously have their weaknesses or they would be first rounders, but I think it's safe to say they will all be upgrades at ILB for us, and could possibly be the answer we are looking for.

Paladin
02-03-2009, 02:11 PM
With Goodman and with Nolan together, the D picks should greatly improve the D this year. But I think it really all depends on whom the Broncos get in FA..... Or IF they get anyone in FA.....

Paladin
02-03-2009, 02:17 PM
Nice post. Of those guys you have here, I would probably have to say I like McKillop the most. He displayed some great ability to stuff the run at the Senior Bowl by shedding lineman and delivering the blow even before the back hit the hole. He's a more athletic version of Spencer Larsen, and a pretty good playmaker as well.

Phillips is a football player. He is kind of similar to a guy like Mitch King in the fact that he's always going to have the motor, and sometimes just working harder on a play will help you overcome the talent deficit. I don't see the difference between him and Larsen to be honest though.

Also, Worrell Williams has the whole playing with your brother factor which could really bring out the best in a player. The mentality of not wanting to let your teammates down has to be amplified when your big bro is one of those guys your going to battle with. Granted, that's a pretty hypothetical claim, but I wouldn't doubt that it would light a fire under someone.

Basically, I would be a little upset if we were to take a guy like Maualuga in the first round simply because I don't think he is really worth that 12th pick. He seems like he's going to be the guy that's fun to watch if your watching the highlight tapes of him, but if you actually watch him play, you realize he lacks the ability to diagnose plays regularly and overpursues far too often. Getting a guy like McKillop, Worrell Williams, Jasper Brinkley would be ideal in my opinion. They all are successful at shedding blocks, and they are very good at meeting a runner and wrapping up rather that trying to deliver a knockout blow. They obviously have their weaknesses or they would be first rounders, but I think it's safe to say they will all be upgrades at ILB for us, and could possibly be the answer we are looking for.

The weakness may be speed, or the devastating "tight hips" syndrome that people tag their least liked players with.

Thanks for the write ups. I am leaning more towards trading down for more picks in the late first-to-third round positions..... Especially if tehy get a FA NT or trade or a couple of second tier D players who want to play.....

socalorado
02-03-2009, 02:18 PM
Nice to see some conversation going on in this thread.

My top 5 at 12 would be:

1.) Curry
2.) Jenkins
3.) Brown
4.) Orakpo
5.) Raji
HM: Maualuga

I think Brown, Raji, Jenkins, and Curry are all gone before we pick. If someone before the Packers get Raji, then Brown will most likely go to them since they are switching to the 3-4 as well. If Maualuga is only a 2-down player as an ILB, then there isn't much that separates him and Brinkley in my eyes (Besides Brinkley's knee, which overall I'm not worried about). Again, I would be happy if Orakpo or Brown were there at 12. If the FO isn't sold on, say a guy like Maualuga (who I think will be available at 12 more so than the other 5 mentioned), then I would hope they would explore trading back instead of reaching.

The Patriots really could be a good option as a trade partner. I'm sure they would love to get a guy like Maualuga (Big hitter, good blitzer, run plugger) next to Mr. Reliable (Jerod Mayo) in the inside. They could even go after a top tier OT. I'm sure it's been discussed at length, but a trade for their 23rd and 47th would be very welcomed in my eyes if the FO isn't sold on any one of the available players at 12. What do you guys think about possibly moving down if that were the case (12th for 23rd and 47th, and Brown, Jenkins, Raji, Orakpo and Curry were all gone)?

I cant remember exacty, but i think there are 4 teams with 2 2nd rounders.
NE, NYG, MIA and i cant remember if theres another one. Anyways, I really think DEN needs to somehow aquire one of those 2nds somehow. That would just be ideal for rebuilding the defense, or allow DEN to take a RB in the 2nd, without missing any defensive players.

So DEN trades #12 for #23 and #47.
DEN would then have
#23
#47
#48
#79
#110
#132
#141
#172
#208
#218

OR!
DEN trades #12, #47 for PHIL #21, #28
#21
#28
#79
#110
#132
#141
#172
#208
#218

Paladin
02-03-2009, 02:21 PM
I like the second dream best......

Snarfalicious
02-03-2009, 02:26 PM
With Goodman and with Nolan together, the D picks should greatly improve the D this year. But I think it really all depends on whom the Broncos get in FA..... Or IF they get anyone in FA.....

Very true. I hope we can acquire two starters via FA. It really shouldn't be hard since the lack of proven talent in a 3-4 on our current roster is slim. Getting a player like Atogwe/Phillips/Jones/Landry would alone make me very happy. To add another CB would be ideal. And if they aren't sold on our RB situation, a guy like Derrick Ward would be nice. Mike Wright is def. an option, and would be very nice to have.

When all's said and done, I see us acquiring a Safety (FS or SS), DE for a 3-4, and an ILB (Dansby/Crowder/Scott all should be testing the market). To get three of those players would probably be the amount of money Bowlen will want to spend, and they aren't going to really break the bank.

Snarfalicious
02-03-2009, 02:30 PM
I cant remember exacty, but i think there are 4 teams with 2 2nd rounders.
NE, NYG, MIA and i cant remember if theres another one. Anyways, I really think DEN needs to somehow aquire one of those 2nds somehow. That would just be ideal for rebuilding the defense, or allow DEN to take a RB in the 2nd, without missing any defensive players.

So DEN trades #12 for #23 and #47.
DEN would then have
#23
#47
#48
#79
#110
#132
#141
#172
#208
#218

OR!
DEN trades #12, #47 for PHIL #21, #28
#21
#28
#79
#110
#132
#141
#172
#208
#218

Either would obviously make me happy. Do you think the Eagles would be going after an OT with that 12th overall? Because I'm from the Philly area, and a lot of the stuff I've been reading seems like the Eagles will probably be wanting to keep those picks for a flashy player (Pettigrew/Nicks/Wells all have been mentioned by papers) and an OT (Britton has been a name brought up a ton of times in the papers). I think if the situation were right, they might move up, but the Eagles are pretty famous with moving out of the first, not usually up. Either way it would put a smile on my face.

With the amount of holes we have, and the apparent deep talent for a 3-4 in this draft, moving down might actually end up being the ideal move when all's said and done. I just hate moving down in my mocks because you have to hear from the "It's too hard to determine a trade partner robble-robble"

socalorado
02-03-2009, 02:35 PM
Nice post. Of those guys you have here, I would probably have to say I like McKillop the most. He displayed some great ability to stuff the run at the Senior Bowl by shedding lineman and delivering the blow even before the back hit the hole. He's a more athletic version of Spencer Larsen, and a pretty good playmaker as well.

Phillips is a football player. He is kind of similar to a guy like Mitch King in the fact that he's always going to have the motor, and sometimes just working harder on a play will help you overcome the talent deficit. I don't see the difference between him and Larsen to be honest though.

Also, Worrell Williams has the whole playing with your brother factor which could really bring out the best in a player. The mentality of not wanting to let your teammates down has to be amplified when your big bro is one of those guys your going to battle with. Granted, that's a pretty hypothetical claim, but I wouldn't doubt that it would light a fire under someone.

Basically, I would be a little upset if we were to take a guy like Maualuga in the first round simply because I don't think he is really worth that 12th pick. He seems like he's going to be the guy that's fun to watch if your watching the highlight tapes of him, but if you actually watch him play, you realize he lacks the ability to diagnose plays regularly and overpursues far too often. Getting a guy like McKillop, Worrell Williams, Jasper Brinkley would be ideal in my opinion. They all are successful at shedding blocks, and they are very good at meeting a runner and wrapping up rather that trying to deliver a knockout blow. They obviously have their weaknesses or they would be first rounders, but I think it's safe to say they will all be upgrades at ILB for us, and could possibly be the answer we are looking for.

REY REY is lightyears ahead of Brinkey. Please! Brinkleys biggest issue is he weighs to much, so hes an injury magnet. I guess DEN could use him at DT though!
Also the intimidation factor to me is huge. Its just huge for obvious reasons, but also because DEN has absolutely no identity on defense. I mean its embarassing. Theres no one slamming Rivers down and getting in his grill telling him that hes gonna "rip his head off, and $h!t down his throat" all game. Just freakin him out, and getting him off his game. Anyone remember the PIT-SD playoff game this year? Who was the player on PIT that ragdolled Rivers to the ground and then just stood over him? And its not just intimidation either.
Rey is one of the hardest hitting linebackers you'll find. He not only is a sure tackler but will hit you hard, and put fear into the opposing team's players. At 250 he has the size to take on any offensive threat including big athletic tight ends or offensive linemen and the new bigger breed of runningback. He is so incredibly strong that at times it almost seems impossible to stop him when he pass rushes. In the Rose Bowl, a runningback was sent to block him and he ripped right through the runningback and into the quarterback in one swift motion. He is an absolute playmaker and fires up his team with his electricity and passion for the game. Something DEN is sorely missing on defense. There are really no defensive players stronger than REY REY.Maybe as strong, but not stronger. Hes a freakin bull.
Has a tendency to over persue and not keep gap/lane control. Needs to wrap up better. May struggle covering the backs and athletic TEs coming out at the next level. Overall, needs to play with more discipline. THESE ARE ALL COACHABLE ISSUES! I dont understand how posters can say the guy is what he is, and theres just no way he will ever be anything more. Theres just no way a guy like Nolan could take him and make him the Seau of the DEN defense for the next 10 years. WTF!?!?
He immediately brings passion and respectability to whatever defense he is drafted to be on. At worst he will be Al Wilson, and at best the next Junior Seau.

socalorado
02-03-2009, 02:38 PM
I like the second dream best......

I know man. I know. Just dreamin right now.

socalorado
02-03-2009, 02:41 PM
Either would obviously make me happy. Do you think the Eagles would be going after an OT with that 12th overall? Because I'm from the Philly area, and a lot of the stuff I've been reading seems like the Eagles will probably be wanting to keep those picks for a flashy player (Pettigrew/Nicks/Wells all have been mentioned by papers) and an OT (Britton has been a name brought up a ton of times in the papers). I think if the situation were right, they might move up, but the Eagles are pretty famous with moving out of the first, not usually up. Either way it would put a smile on my face.

With the amount of holes we have, and the apparent deep talent for a 3-4 in this draft, moving down might actually end up being the ideal move when all's said and done. I just hate moving down in my mocks because you have to hear from the "It's too hard to determine a trade partner robble-robble"

Depends on the OTs in the combine i think. Hopefully PHIL falls in love with a OT and gets jittery and paranoid thinking another team might take him, so they move up. I dunno. We gotta wait and see. Pipe dream till then. I just reall, really think DEn needs to get 2 2nd rounders somehow.

Snarfalicious
02-03-2009, 02:58 PM
REY REY is lightyears ahead of Brinkey. Please! Brinkleys biggest issue is he weighs to much, so hes an injury magnet. I guess DEN could use him at DT though!
Also the intimidation factor to me is huge. Its just huge for obvious reasons, but also because DEN has absolutely no identity on defense. I mean its embarassing. Theres no one slamming Rivers down and getting in his grill telling him that hes gonna "rip his head off, and $h!t down his throat" all game. Just freakin him out, and getting him off his game. Anyone remember the PIT-SD playoff game this year? Who was the player on PIT that ragdolled Rivers to the ground and then just stood over him? And its not just intimidation either.
Rey is one of the hardest hitting linebackers you'll find. He not only is a sure tackler but will hit you hard, and put fear into the opposing team's players. At 250 he has the size to take on any offensive threat including big athletic tight ends or offensive linemen and the new bigger breed of runningback. He is so incredibly strong that at times it almost seems impossible to stop him when he pass rushes. In the Rose Bowl, a runningback was sent to block him and he ripped right through the runningback and into the quarterback in one swift motion. He is an absolute playmaker and fires up his team with his electricity and passion for the game. Something DEN is sorely missing on defense. There are really no defensive players stronger than REY REY.Maybe as strong, but not stronger. Hes a freakin bull.
Has a tendency to over persue and not keep gap/lane control. Needs to wrap up better. May struggle covering the backs and athletic TEs coming out at the next level. Overall, needs to play with more discipline. THESE ARE ALL COACHABLE ISSUES! I dont understand how posters can say the guy is what he is, and theres just no way he will ever be anything more. Theres just no way a guy like Nolan could take him and make him the Seau of the DEN defense for the next 10 years. WTF!?!?
He immediately brings passion and respectability to whatever defense he is drafted to be on. At worst he will be Al Wilson, and at best the next Junior Seau.

Brinkley was never injured because of his weight. I'm not sure if you ever saw his injury, but it happened when a pass play came his way, he was making a play on the ball, and a safety came up and cut his knee out, causing the injury. Weight didn't have anything to do with it, it was a freak accident. And if you consider Brinkley as overweight, you haven't seen him before. Prior to his knee injury, he never had injury concerns besides a slight ankle sprain that wasn't serious at all (happens to any football player). The dude is completely jacked.

Brinkley:
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/04JbgJ0fwr8zy/610x.jpg



As for Mauluga: No ones questioning his talent. The guy has buttloads of it. But if you were to watch a complete game of Maualuga, you will begin to notice that, while he will make the "Ooh" and "Ahh" plays, he will make the "WTF" and "What are you doing??" plays as well. Every player has their downs, that's obvious. He is a freakish athlete, who is going to knock some people out in his time. Without a doubt, Maualuga would be a bit of Swagger to this D, letting people know they better look out if they are going to try to go toe to toe with Rey Rey.

When he's surrounded by talent that is not simply lightyears better than the opposing team, I will be anxious to see what he does. Cushing and Matthews proved they have what it takes at the Senior Bowl, whereas, had it not been for his forced fumble during the game, Maualuga would have gone relatively unnoticed throughout the game/week. He defenitly is affective against the run, we all knew that prior and after the Senior Bowl, but he just needs to maintain his wits and his mechanics throughout a whole game, rather than flashing moments. That's all I mean.

I think he could be coached into a great player, and if Nolan thinks he's the guy, then we damn well better draft him. Even he can be 85% of the player Patrick Willis is, then we got ourselves a great ILB.

gyldenlove
02-03-2009, 03:07 PM
DJ Moore, he will rocket up the draft boards. If we get into a situation where Raji, Brown, Jenkins, Curry and Orakpo are all gone we could go CB. We have had some luck with Vandy players.

Paladin
02-03-2009, 04:46 PM
Yeah, name one......

Wait.....

Inkana7
02-03-2009, 06:32 PM
Yeah, name one......

Wait.....

Jamie Winborn. :)

socalorado
02-04-2009, 05:59 AM
Brinkley was never injured because of his weight. I'm not sure if you ever saw his injury, but it happened when a pass play came his way, he was making a play on the ball, and a safety came up and cut his knee out, causing the injury. Weight didn't have anything to do with it, it was a freak accident. And if you consider Brinkley as overweight, you haven't seen him before. Prior to his knee injury, he never had injury concerns besides a slight ankle sprain that wasn't serious at all (happens to any football player). The dude is completely jacked.

Brinkley:
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/04JbgJ0fwr8zy/610x.jpg



As for Mauluga: No ones questioning his talent. The guy has buttloads of it. But if you were to watch a complete game of Maualuga, you will begin to notice that, while he will make the "Ooh" and "Ahh" plays, he will make the "WTF" and "What are you doing??" plays as well. Every player has their downs, that's obvious. He is a freakish athlete, who is going to knock some people out in his time. Without a doubt, Maualuga would be a bit of Swagger to this D, letting people know they better look out if they are going to try to go toe to toe with Rey Rey.

When he's surrounded by talent that is not simply lightyears better than the opposing team, I will be anxious to see what he does. Cushing and Matthews proved they have what it takes at the Senior Bowl, whereas, had it not been for his forced fumble during the game, Maualuga would have gone relatively unnoticed throughout the game/week. He defenitly is affective against the run, we all knew that prior and after the Senior Bowl, but he just needs to maintain his wits and his mechanics throughout a whole game, rather than flashing moments. That's all I mean.

I think he could be coached into a great player, and if Nolan thinks he's the guy, then we damn well better draft him. Even he can be 85% of the player Patrick Willis is, then we got ourselves a great ILB.

Dude the day Brinkley got injured, me and lex were here discussing it. Sucks, cause he was a 1st round projected player. We liked him! Hes almost as big as Lavon Kirkland for cryin out loud!! His weight is a bit much though.
Rey Rey is just effective period, and a type of player DEN desperately needs. Nolan would turn him into a true monster. And yeah, this team needs some damn swagger! It needs an intimidator so bad. It really is embarassing. The defense is just pathetic. These clowns celebrate after every tackle, meanwhile the opposing team just keeps moving the chains right down the field, into the end zone. I'll take REY REYs minor issues knowing that Nolan will turn him into a Seau. And thats really what DEN needs...a Seau.

Paladin
02-04-2009, 08:38 AM
Some dude on another thread believes Denver will not have a shot at Baji or Brace or whomever else at the NT (though there are others mention earlier that seem good prospects), so Rey makes sense to me. If he would be a consistently mean sucker at MLB or ILB, I would think the LTs and LJs and other RBs would be a bit less spry through the holes. (I remember Bowlen saying once that if he had to bail a guy out of jail to play if he could play good ball, that would be okay with him.) Frankly, I don't think that is true at all nowadays, but the point is that a little extra exhilaration under the pile would be nice.

nickademus
02-04-2009, 10:32 AM
I like Malauga but I like the rest of you have some questions about his mistakes at times he reminds me of a really big Nate Webster. I do think that his celing is much higher but I hate the dumb mistakes he is in love with.

mattob14
02-04-2009, 04:03 PM
At worst he will be Al Wilson, and at best the next Junior Seau.

So Rey's downside is a 5 time Pro Bowler, and 2 time All-Pro? If that's the case, there's no way he makes it past the top-3 picks. I know you're a USC homer, but don't sell Wilson short. He was top-5 at his position before the injury. If everything falls into place, Maualuga has the upside of a Seau, but there's a pretty significant downside that you're ignoring, too. Rey has to mature and keep his focus, otherwise he'll never come anywhere near the level that Wilson and Seau attained.

nickademus
02-04-2009, 05:04 PM
I maintain that Rey's down side is Nate Webster re incarnated.

socalorado
02-04-2009, 05:04 PM
So Rey's downside is a 5 time Pro Bowler, and 2 time All-Pro? If that's the case, there's no way he makes it past the top-3 picks. I know you're a USC homer, but don't sell Wilson short. He was top-5 at his position before the injury. If everything falls into place, Maualuga has the upside of a Seau, but there's a pretty significant downside that you're ignoring, too. Rey has to mature and keep his focus, otherwise he'll never come anywhere near the level that Wilson and Seau attained.

No i am not a USC homer. Ask anyone here, i wanted Brandon Spikes long before REY REY. Hes not even my top LB in the draft. I would much rather have Curry. And anyone here will tell you that i have advocated this from the start.
If the fact that USC has alot of good players is a source of frustration for you, i dont know what to tell you. I am a homer of good college football players period.
Rey hasnt just been projected by me as at worst a Al Wilson type player. His upside is leaps and bounds above Wilsons. More akin to Seau's. Almost ALL of the expert analysts have stated as such.

Compared to Lofa
http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2009_NFL_Draft/rey_maualuga.htm

New Era compared to Seau
http://www.newerascouting.com/profiler/viewprofile.php?id=160

socalorado
02-04-2009, 05:37 PM
<TABLE class=cardtable cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=3 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle colSpan=6>Rey Maualuga


General Traits




</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#999999><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=2>Character / Leadership Ability:</TD><TD colSpan=4>Arrested in 2005 after allegedly punching someone at a Halloween party. No charges were ever filed. Has had no other character problems, but he seems to enjoy the Los Angeles celebrity lifestyle. </TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=2>Competitive Nature / Work Ethic:</TD><TD colSpan=4>Plays with a lot of passion and is as intense of a player in the entire nation. Never quits on a play. Always work hard to get to the ball.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#999999><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=2>Football Intelligence:</TD><TD colSpan=4>A two-year starter who has played in 38 games, starting 22 at middle linebacker. Makes audible calls for the front seven. Needs to improve his recognition against the run and play with a little more discipline.</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=2>Size:</TD><TD colSpan=4>Prototypical size for the position. Has an NFL body. Isn’t very tight skinned. Weight fluctuates. Could probably benefit from losing a few pounds.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#999999><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=2>Athletic Ability:</TD><TD colSpan=4>An incredible athlete. Fast, free flowing, agile. Changes direction with ease. Packed with loads of raw ability and power. As good of an athlete at middle linebacker as there has been in years.</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=2>Toughness / Durability:</TD><TD colSpan=4>For a player who plays so recklessly, Maualuga has been fairly durable. He has had some minor injuries, though. Recorded two sacks in a game he was bothered by a hip pointer during his junior year.</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle colSpan=6>Specific Traits - Inside Linebacker




</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#999999><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=2>Speed:</TD><TD colSpan=4>Excellent speed for a middle linebacker, especially one of his size. Incredible short-area burst. Changes direction with ease and doesn’t lose much speed. Always appears to be running downhill.</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=2>Instincts / Recognition:</TD><TD colSpan=4>For as good of a player is, totaling only 79 tackles as a junior is a little alarming. He’s not always the first player on the ball. Needs to improve his recognition against the run because he’ll sometimes fill the wrong lanes.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#999999><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=2>Pass Rush:</TD><TD colSpan=4>Mostly a straight-forward pass rusher. Can be inconsistent in his rush and gets his sacks in bunches. Uses a swim move nicely. Has the strength to shed quickly.</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=2>Pursuit:</TD><TD colSpan=4>Maualuga’s intensity can get him in trouble here because he’ll over-pursue on plays. When he plays with some patience, Maualuga is excellent in pursuit. He has the speed to chase down most opponents and the power to take anyone down. A ballhawk.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#999999><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=2>Tackling:</TD><TD colSpan=4>An explosive tackler who has made a lot of highlight-reel hits during his career. A technically sound drive tackler. Once he gets his hands on an opponent, the play is over.</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=2>Coverage:</TD><TD colSpan=4>While he may not be a natural, he’s a much better coverage linebacker than most give him credit. Has good range and can move well laterally. Can keep up with a lot of tight ends and running backs.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#999999><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=2>Shedding Blocks:</TD><TD colSpan=4>Unlike a lot of collegiate linebackers, Maualuga doesn’t have trouble shedding blocks. He uses his speed and strength to quickly shed. Engages linemen before they can lock on.</TD></TR><TR><TD class=breakline colSpan=6></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#999999><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=2>Additional Comments:</TD><TD colSpan=4>Enters his senior season with 194 career tackles and as a front runner for the Butkus Award. A two-time Pac-10 first team performer. Earned defensive MVP honors for the 2008 Rose Bowl. Maualuga is a former Parade All-American who has lived up to the hype. Unless he gets hurt, he'll end his career as a three-year starter at middle linebacker. He might be a better candidate to play the strong side in the pros because it gives him a clearly defined role and he won't have to worry about freelancing. Explosive and powerful middle linebacker who play with a lot of intensity. Scary hitter. Still a little raw as a football player. Has improved every year at USC. Came back to win a national championship. Coming back was a wise decision.</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=2>Injury Concerns:</TD><TD colSpan=4>Limited in 2008 spring practice due to a pulled hamstring. Missed the second half of the Arizona game and was slowed during the Notre Dame game as a junior because of a hip pointer. Has a groin injury that slowed during spring practice in 2007. Cracked a bone in his wrist in 2006 but played with a cast.</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#999999><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=2>Could Be As Good As:</TD><TD colSpan=4>Junior Seau, San Diego Chargers</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=2>Worst Case:</TD><TD colSpan=4>Ryan Fowler, Tennessee Titans</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#999999><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=2>Where He'll Probably Go:</TD><TD colSpan=4>Top five</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right colSpan=2>Where He Should Go:</TD><TD colSpan=4>Top five</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

http://www.newerascouting.com/profiler/viewprofile.php?id=160

Note the red areas. Tell me Mike Nolan cant take this kid and in one off season make him the next Seau of the NFL.
He has all the same issues Seau had. A Little Overconfident, and he needed to simply work on his man to man coverage skills. Hes fast as hell and with a little expert coaching from the best LB coach in football, he could be a great.

_Oro_
02-05-2009, 06:17 AM
Unlike a lot of collegiate linebackers, Maualuga doesn’t have trouble shedding blocks. He uses his speed and strength to quickly shed. Engages linemen before they can lock on.

I like this line over some of the others. The biggest problem our LBs have is shedding tackles (Larsen did shed some tackles when he started but also got washed). It'd be nice to get someone in our corp who is a natural.

mattob14
02-05-2009, 04:14 PM
No i am not a USC homer. Ask anyone here, i wanted Brandon Spikes long before REY REY. Hes not even my top LB in the draft. I would much rather have Curry. And anyone here will tell you that i have advocated this from the start.
If the fact that USC has alot of good players is a source of frustration for you, i dont know what to tell you. I am a homer of good college football players period.
Rey hasnt just been projected by me as at worst a Al Wilson type player. His upside is leaps and bounds above Wilsons. More akin to Seau's. Almost ALL of the expert analysts have stated as such.

Compared to Lofa
http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2009_NFL_Draft/rey_maualuga.htm

New Era compared to Seau
http://www.newerascouting.com/profiler/viewprofile.php?id=160

I know you've advocated Curry as the #1 LB, but players of Al Wilson's caliber just don't grow on trees. I don't know if you're comparing styles of play or truly believe that he'll be that good, but Maualuga would be a great pick at #12 if even reaches Wilson's level of play.

I'm not doubting the upside, and I've heard the Seau comparison before, but I just see a more significant downside there than you do.

mattob14
02-05-2009, 04:22 PM
Note the red areas. Tell me Mike Nolan cant take this kid and in one off season make him the next Seau of the NFL.
He has all the same issues Seau had. A Little Overconfident, and he needed to simply work on his man to man coverage skills. Hes fast as hell and with a little expert coaching from the best LB coach in football, he could be a great.

This scouting report was written before his senior season and he did lose a little luster this year. I honestly am not against drafting Maualuga. I hated the 4-3 fit, but I wouldn't mind him in the 3-4. He's not my first choice, but I wouldn't throw the remote through the TV if we got him. His size, strength, and fire would all be assets to our D. I just don't see him as the sure-bet that some do. Whether it's correctable or not, he does tend to miss a lot of tackles and isn't great in coverage. I also worry about the maturity a little bit.