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mr007
01-30-2009, 02:33 PM
I know we're a very young team and I'm also aware of Lewis' history. Honestly, I'd rather pick this guy up in FA than Suggs, Haynseworth, or any other LB/Dlineman and here's why:

He plays with passion and fire. He is smart, still on top if his game, and capable of being a true leader and inspiration on D. He'd be able to teach our very young linebacking corps a lot in a few years. Picking him up as a FA instantly allows us to focus on some of the other positions on defense and wait a bit to pick up our future Mike/SILB. I'm not sure how willing he would be to play in Denver, given the fact he likes a beefy dline in front of him, but I think this would do a lot for shoring up our defense.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-sp.lewis30jan30,0,3205715.story

TAMPA, FLA. - In his first comments to the Baltimore media this offseason, Ray Lewis yesterday was noncommittal about his chances of staying with the Ravens.

Lewis, 33, will become an unrestricted free agent in 29 days unless the Ravens use the franchise tag on him or the Pro Bowl linebacker strikes a new deal with the team. It would mark the first time in Lewis' 13-year career that the face of the Ravens' franchise reached free agency.

"What I'm thinking, nobody needs to know," said Lewis, who was at the Super Bowl promoting Xbox 360 and the Madden Bowl. "I've given my prayers to God. It's between me and him. It's nobody else's business. That's between me and God."

Lewis' situation likely will go down as the biggest offseason story line in Ravens history. Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti as well as former and current teammates have talked publicly about Lewis' future.

At his season-ending news conference, Bisciotti said he has been "hopeful forever" that the Ravens would sign Lewis to a new deal and didn't foresee using the franchise tag to keep him off the free-agent market.

Asked about the franchise tag, Lewis shrugged his shoulders.

"I just hope they do whatever is best for the organization," he said. "Take me out of it."

So, Lewis wouldn't mind the tag?

"It doesn't matter," he said. "It's whatever God has in his plans."

Players designated with the franchise tag are forced to accept a one-year contract at a salary based on the average of the NFL's five highest-paid players at that position.

Fellow linebacker Terrell Suggs recently said all three free-agent linebackers (Lewis, Suggs and Bart Scott) could stay together if they gave the Ravens "a home discount."

"What he really is talking about is a brotherhood," Lewis said.

"That's the reason why we played so passionately. There's a commitment to each other. A lot of times in life, you don't like to see that go. But it's business. It happens."

Bisciotti also suggested the possibility of receiving a hometown discount from the two-time NFL Defensive Player of the Year.

Asked whether he intended to test the free-agent market if he isn't franchised, Lewis said: "It's irrelevant. I haven't had any emotions about it. For me to talk about it, that would be selfish."

Lewis had one of his best seasons in recent years, finishing with 117 tackles, 3 1/2 sacks, three interceptions and two forced fumbles.

But this season was one of Lewis' favorites because of what the Ravens were able to accomplish.

"This was one of the rides because you had doubts early about whether the coaching could mesh and whether [ Joe] Flacco could play," Lewis said with a smile.

"As a team, we said: 'Let's just go play and see how good we could be. Everybody is picking us to be last in the division anyway, so why not go play?' That's what's fun - being the underdog."

Though the Ravens fell one game short of reaching the Super Bowl, the championship memories hit Lewis yesterday.

He returned to Tampa, the site of the Ravens' Super Bowl victory over the New York Giants eight years ago. He said he could still envision the confetti falling.

"Once you're a champion, you never forget that feeling," he said.

Lewis also made the point that whatever happens, he'll never forget his relationship with the fans of Baltimore.

"I love my city, know that," Lewis said. "It will always be my city."

La Caspa Del Diablo
01-30-2009, 02:35 PM
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SouthStndJunkie
01-30-2009, 02:35 PM
Not going to happen.

Taco John
01-30-2009, 02:37 PM
Oh hell no.

telluride
01-30-2009, 02:38 PM
No!

No!No!No!No!No!No!No!No!No!No!No!No!No!No!No!

Taco John
01-30-2009, 02:38 PM
I'd rather bring in Wade Phillips as a Middle Linebacker than see Ray Lewis in a Broncos uniform.

Br0nc0Buster
01-30-2009, 02:38 PM
pass
he is really old and would be really expensive.


plus, he killed a guy

Hotrod
01-30-2009, 02:39 PM
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close thread

GoHAM
01-30-2009, 02:40 PM
Yeah, bringing Ray Ray would definitely make me throw up a little in my mouth. And then again everytime I saw him do his gay chicken dance.

Bronx33
01-30-2009, 02:41 PM
n-o-p-e

Houshyamama
01-30-2009, 02:44 PM
I'm fine with it.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-30-2009, 02:49 PM
I'd take him in a second. INstant attitude to a D. Teammates love him. But he's not going anywhere

Garcia Bronco
01-30-2009, 02:55 PM
That convict can stay in the criminal town of Baltimore.

TonyR
01-30-2009, 02:58 PM
Other than his age I'd be completely on board. Funny how people claim not to like him because of "character issues" but his character on the field and in the locker room are among the main reasons you should want him on your team. But, like I said, too old to be giving loads of $$$.

TonyR
01-30-2009, 02:59 PM
That convict can stay in the criminal town of Baltimore.

Baltimore is a "criminal town"? What the hell is that supposed to mean?

theAPAOps5
01-30-2009, 03:01 PM
His wanna be religious ass can kiss mine.

Inkana7
01-30-2009, 03:03 PM
I guess I'm alone in liking the dude. Do I want him in Denver? No, but only because he's old and we need a young, dynamic Defense to go with our young, dynamic Offense. I don't think anyone in the NFL is more passionate about football than Ray Lewis.

TonyR
01-30-2009, 03:03 PM
His wanna be religious ass can kiss mine.

I think he'd kick it before he kissed it!

I somewhat understand the hatred of Ray Lewis, but you have to admit if he was wearing a Broncos uni you'd love the guy. Hard not to like a guy who plays that way for your team, particularly when we have nobody with that kind of attitude on the field.

TonyR
01-30-2009, 03:04 PM
I guess I'm alone...

You're not. See post #14, among others.

theAPAOps5
01-30-2009, 03:05 PM
I think he'd kick it before he kissed it!

I somewhat understand the hatred of Ray Lewis, but you have to admit if he was wearing a Broncos uni you'd love the guy. Hard not to like a guy who plays that way for your team, particularly when we have nobody with that kind of attitude on the field.

Nope I wouldn't I would be extrememly upset with my team for doing that.

And why bring up kicking ass, are you 6. I said he could kiss my ass and you come with the ever childish well he would beat you up. How does that factor into it?

Hercules Rockefeller
01-30-2009, 03:08 PM
Leonard Little is the only person I would I hate to see in a Bronco uni more than Ray Ray.

theAPAOps5
01-30-2009, 03:09 PM
Leonard Little is the only person I would I hate to see in a Bronco uni more than Ray Ray.

Oh no you didn't. I bet you could beat you up. so take that.

TonyR
01-30-2009, 03:16 PM
And why bring up kicking ass, are you 6.

You brought up kissing ass, I brought up kicking ass. I was being tongue in cheek but I realize tone doesn't always convey properly on a message board.

theAPAOps5
01-30-2009, 03:17 PM
You brought up kissing ass, I brought up kicking ass. I was being tongue in cheek but I realize tone doesn't always convey properly on a message board.

I know and if Al Gore had invented the sarcasm attachment when he made the internet you would know I am always sarcastic. No worries but some have used that argument not tongue in cheek! :spit:

montrose
01-30-2009, 03:28 PM
It's not going to happen guys. Although we could really use a Ray Lewis-type leader on our defense. Somebody to motivate the hell out of those guys and bring them up to his level.

mr007
01-30-2009, 03:28 PM
I guess I'm alone in liking the dude. Do I want him in Denver? No, but only because he's old and we need a young, dynamic Defense to go with our young, dynamic Offense. I don't think anyone in the NFL is more passionate about football than Ray Lewis.

His age is the precise reason we need him in Denver. You need a leader on defense to develop your younger players, inspire them to play passionately, and assist in teaching them the skills necessary to bring them to the next level. We don't have a true kickass vet leader on the team and he would bring that and give us time to draft other needs before replacing Lewis.

Los Broncos
01-30-2009, 03:41 PM
Think people are complaining of our players dancing after a first down tackle, wait till he gets here.

UberBroncoMan
01-30-2009, 03:55 PM
Baltimore is a "criminal town"? What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Well they had a team called the Baltimore "Bullets"

Also Carmelo Anthony is from there and he's all kinds of thug.

On top of that, a bunch of politicians who are stealing our money and bailing out crappy companies live in the area! (apparently that new stimulus package that was passed included a clause to bail out Hollywood as well, wonder why?! HAHAHA)

... oh and don't forget Michael Phelps is from there...

TheReverend
01-30-2009, 04:09 PM
Ray Lewis would be a wet dream addition to this team.

Maybe he has only a year left playing at a high level. Maybe he doesn't have ANY and is only above average (that's being super conservative, because he's still an animal)...

...but think about our defense, how many young guys are already on it, how many MORE young guys were about to add to it, and the kind of impact Ray's prescence ALONE can bring to their attitude? How quickly do these guys that haven't developed start developing when they know Ray Lewis will be in their **** if they take a play off IN PRACTICE? How much better does our defense look if someone brought that "never say die" attitude to it?

This isn't Jamie Winborn hopping around. This is perennial DPOY candidate Ray Lewis who may very well murder you if you disappoint him. Back up the truck and pay the man.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-30-2009, 04:13 PM
Baltimore is a "criminal town"? What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Ever see "The Wire" :)

RunSilentRunDeep
01-30-2009, 04:16 PM
Overrated. Poser. Looks like he wears eyeliner. Murderer. Worships himself more than the God he uses for image purposes.

TheReverend
01-30-2009, 04:18 PM
Overrated. Poser. Looks like he wears eyeliner. Murderer. Worships himself more than the God he uses for image purposes.

Don't all "public Christians"? ???

broncosteven
01-30-2009, 04:27 PM
Moxie, or in this case "Swagger" always trumps talent around here.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
01-30-2009, 04:27 PM
I don't care. All I care about is winning, everything else is a distant second.

Houshyamama
01-30-2009, 04:31 PM
Ray Lewis would be a wet dream addition to this team.

Maybe he has only a year left playing at a high level. Maybe he doesn't have ANY and is only above average (that's being super conservative, because he's still an animal)...

...but think about our defense, how many young guys are already on it, how many MORE young guys were about to add to it, and the kind of impact Ray's prescence ALONE can bring to their attitude? How quickly do these guys that haven't developed start developing when they know Ray Lewis will be in their **** if they take a play off IN PRACTICE? How much better does our defense look if someone brought that "never say die" attitude to it?

This isn't Jamie Winborn hopping around. This is perennial DPOY candidate Ray Lewis who may very well murder you if you disappoint him. Back up the truck and pay the man.

Exactly! :thumbsup: This defense needs an IDENTITY.

Br0nc0Buster
01-30-2009, 04:34 PM
Exactly! :thumbsup: This defense needs an IDENTITY.

And what would that be?
We wont stop you
We wont beat you
We will fu**ing kill you!

Houshyamama
01-30-2009, 04:35 PM
And what would that be?
We wont stop you
We wont beat you
We will ****ing kill you!

I like the last part.

SouthStndJunkie
01-30-2009, 04:36 PM
I'd rather bring in Wade Phillips as a Middle Linebacker than see Ray Lewis in a Broncos uniform.

Awesome.

TheReverend
01-30-2009, 04:49 PM
And what would that be?
We wont stop you
We wont beat you
We will ****ing kill you!

A little better than the "Kick our ass, and then after the game go rape our women while we video tape it" mentality that was on the table last season, don't you think?

Hogan11
01-30-2009, 04:56 PM
Lewis threatened and whined to the Raven front office a few years ago to get oversized D linemen because his stats went down and they caved to his every demand. One look at the current D line would solidify Lewis's chances of coming to Denver at zero.

Br0nc0Buster
01-30-2009, 05:21 PM
A little better than the "Kick our ass, and then after the game go rape our women while we video tape it" mentality that was on the table last season, don't you think?

They prolly got that from Slowick
I think his wife rapes him.
And Webster is just an idiot who thinks he is playing flag football.

I would rather not go from one extreme to the other
No doubt Lewis can play, and kill, but he can stay the hell away from this team as far as I am concerned.

baja
01-30-2009, 05:47 PM
Ray Lewis would be a wet dream addition to this team.

Maybe he has only a year left playing at a high level. Maybe he doesn't have ANY and is only above average (that's being super conservative, because he's still an animal)...

...but think about our defense, how many young guys are already on it, how many MORE young guys were about to add to it, and the kind of impact Ray's prescence ALONE can bring to their attitude? How quickly do these guys that haven't developed start developing when they know Ray Lewis will be in their **** if they take a play off IN PRACTICE? How much better does our defense look if someone brought that "never say die" attitude to it?

This isn't Jamie Winborn hopping around. This is perennial DPOY candidate Ray Lewis who may very well murder you if you disappoint him. Back up the truck and pay the man.

Why do so many here continue to like the idea of hiring a player to be a coach just get a good LB coach it's much cheaper.

lazarus4444
01-30-2009, 05:53 PM
I would LOVE to see Ray Lewis in a broncos uniform. believe me, the broncos D needs a leader and they don't have one right now. Just a bunch of pussies who are just earning a paycheck.

Rohirrim
01-30-2009, 05:56 PM
Just say no to murderers.

Dr. Broncenstein
01-30-2009, 06:13 PM
old but relevant....

<a target='_blank' href='http://www.slide.com/s/pkQnWScD7j8_n6ekgAkzeDNTluKgObxi?referrer=hlnk'><img src='http://widget.slide.com/rdr/1/1/1/W/5000000012304ad/1/0/zhkhUD4A5j_k8gylQMuL6gOvOGcxvLy8.jpg' border='0' alt='Ray Ray' title='Ray Ray' /></a>

gyldenlove
01-30-2009, 06:28 PM
I have nothing interesting to say, so I will split hairs.

Players designated with the franchise tag are forced to accept a one-year contract at a salary based on the average of the NFL's five highest-paid players at that position.

That is not correct, players aren't forced to accept, they can choose not to sign.

broncofan7
01-30-2009, 07:14 PM
Ray-Ray will wind up with stars on his helmet next year as will Mike Vick (Dallas needs a Backup QB)--I cannot wait for next years Cowgals meltdown.

theAPAOps5
01-30-2009, 07:18 PM
Ray-Ray will wind up with stars on his helmet next year as will Mike Vick (Dallas needs a Backup QB)--I cannot wait for next years Cowgals meltdown.

Seriously Jones is starting to tread on the hallowed ground of Al Davis with his swing and misses.

rastaman
01-30-2009, 07:20 PM
His age is the precise reason we need him in Denver. You need a leader on defense to develop your younger players, inspire them to play passionately, and assist in teaching them the skills necessary to bring them to the next level. We don't have a true kickass vet leader on the team and he would bring that and give us time to draft other needs before replacing Lewis.

Don't worry, Ray Lewis is not interested in coming to Denver for one simple reason......the Super Bowl!

The Raven are closer to going to the SB than the Broncos are at this stage.

theAPAOps5
01-30-2009, 07:20 PM
I have nothing interesting to say, so I will split hairs.



That is not correct, players aren't forced to accept, they can choose not to sign.

Actually you are both right. There is exclusive and non-exclusive Franchise tags. Exclusive they can't negotiate with other teams, they are locked in. Non-exclusive they can negotiate with other teams if they receive an offer the current team is allowed to match that offer if they don't the new team gets the player and their current team gets compensation of 2 first round draft picks.

cutthemdown
01-30-2009, 07:39 PM
I'd be excited he's a great player. What are you guys looking for football players are someone to date your daughter?

Broncosfreak_56
01-30-2009, 08:45 PM
I want a young Ray Lewis(Rey Maualuga).

cutthemdown
01-30-2009, 09:39 PM
I want a young Ray Lewis(Rey Maualuga).

yeah me 2. I love the idea of plugging a young physical player into the middle then build the linebackers around him. People would be surprised to see what DJ could do in a 3-4 with a mauler like Maualuga to occupy space and defenders.

It would be a lot like Scott and Lewis in Baltimore except DJ not wuite as physical as Scott, but IMO maybe a better athlete.

Broncos have to go FA before draft though so its hard to plan like we would all like.

If you plan on being able to draft a guy you are opening yourself up to getting burned.

Broncos should try to find some good players in FA, even if they plan on targeting the same position in draft.

People will call me crazy but I don't think draft will be a huge slant to defense. Broncos have 10 picks. I predict 6 def, 4 offense.

I think Broncos will look to add a big guard, a rb, and maybe even a QB late.

defense prob 2 lineman, 2 backers, and a couple dbacks.

baja
01-30-2009, 10:01 PM
Wonder how much say McDaniels will have in the draft

BroncoMan4ever
01-30-2009, 10:59 PM
I guess I'm alone in liking the dude. Do I want him in Denver? No, but only because he's old and we need a young, dynamic Defense to go with our young, dynamic Offense. I don't think anyone in the NFL is more passionate about football than Ray Lewis.

if we could get him at a decent price i'd be all for it. it would give us the enforcer we have needed on defense for a long time. plus his leadership would be a good attribute to the young guys who will make up our defense next season.

BroncoMan4ever
01-30-2009, 11:04 PM
People will call me crazy but I don't think draft will be a huge slant to defense. Broncos have 10 picks. I predict 6 def, 4 offense.

I think Broncos will look to add a big guard, a rb, and maybe even a QB late.

defense prob 2 lineman, 2 backers, and a couple dbacks.

i agree completely. almost half our picks will be used on offense. look at the Giants, they had a dominant DL already, and continued to invest picks on it, so that when Strahan retired or injury occured they had no setbacks.

our offense is good and could be dominant, but the way to keep it like that is to continue to upgrade and have good depth.

also, it won't shock me at all if we go offense in the 1st or 2nd, in fact i will be more surprised if we don't have an offensive pick in the 1st or 2nd

goldengopher1976
01-30-2009, 11:11 PM
Baltimore is a "criminal town"? What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Don't you watch "The Wire"? Great show...criminal town... :clown:

TheChamp24
01-30-2009, 11:38 PM
I don't know if this has been brought up, but he was terrible in the 3-4 defense.

Taco John
01-31-2009, 12:38 AM
I'd be excited he's a great player. What are you guys looking for football players are someone to date your daughter?

Someone who I can feel good about rooting for.

BroncoMan4ever
01-31-2009, 01:20 AM
Someone who I can feel good about rooting for.

i feel the same way now that he is a Raven. but i know for a fact the first time i saw him completely obliterate an opposing RB while in his new Broncos uniform, i would have no problem rooting for the guy.

kappys
01-31-2009, 01:23 AM
What's the story with Mike Peterson? Did he resign? I had heard there was some bad blood between him and the coaches.

I would prefer Peterson - would be cheaper, only a slight notch down from Ray Lewis, and would help to provide some of the veteran leadership and direction we need.

TDmvp
01-31-2009, 02:05 AM
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cutthemdown
01-31-2009, 02:13 AM
Someone who I can feel good about rooting for.

If you knew all the players personally you probably couldn't be a fan anymore.

About half the NFL are thugs.

Rock Chalk
01-31-2009, 05:26 AM
I dont want Ray Lewis but Id damn sure love someone LIKE Ray Lewis as far as his football IQ, skills and demeanor go.

TheReverend
01-31-2009, 05:34 AM
I don't know if this has been brought up, but he was terrible in the 3-4 defense.

This is a sarcasm post, right? Or some dark humor that I don't get?

baja
01-31-2009, 06:11 AM
What's the story with Mike Peterson? Did he resign? I had heard there was some bad blood between him and the coaches.

I would prefer Peterson - would be cheaper, only a slight notch down from Ray Lewis, and would help to provide some of the veteran leadership and direction we need.

Huh? Are you a Broncos fan now? When did that happen?

brother love
01-31-2009, 06:37 AM
I like the idea. He would bring something to the defense that we have been lacking since Al Wilson left. " Toughness"

Plus I think he would help teach the young guys the proper ways to prepare for games.

kappys
01-31-2009, 10:53 AM
Huh? Are you a Broncos fan now? When did that happen?

???

TheReverend
01-31-2009, 10:56 AM
yeah me 2. I love the idea of plugging a young physical player into the middle then build the linebackers around him. People would be surprised to see what DJ could do in a 3-4 with a mauler like Maualuga to occupy space and defenders.

You would spend the 12th pick in the draft for a guy like Rey Maualuga, and then use him to occupy space and defenders to free up DJ Williams?!

Hilarious!

cutthemdown
01-31-2009, 11:12 AM
You would spend the 12th pick in the draft for a guy like Rey Maualuga, and then use him to occupy space and defenders to free up DJ Williams?!

Hilarious!

Generally the inside backers in a 3-4 take on olineman and try to stop the run. DJ could maybe do it in a 3-4 but only with a big partner like Maualuga.

For sure I would spend the 12th pick on a guy who does that at a high level.

It's not easy to find big physical inside backers with instincts like Maualuga.

Not only will he take on and shed olineman to plug holes, he will also get around them and out anticipate them to make plays.

In a 4-3 his job would be a lot different, he'd be good at it, still worth 12th pick.

I do think though he will be best in a 3-4 on the inside.

TheReverend
01-31-2009, 11:19 AM
Generally the inside backers in a 3-4 take on olineman and try to stop the run. DJ could maybe do it in a 3-4 but only with a big partner like Maualuga.

For sure I would spend the 12th pick on a guy who does that at a high level.

It's not easy to find big physical inside backers with instincts like Maualuga.

Not only will he take on and shed olineman to plug holes, he will also get around them and out anticipate them to make plays.

In a 4-3 his job would be a lot different, he'd be good at it, still worth 12th pick.

I do think though he will be best in a 3-4 on the inside.

This is what I focus on. In one breath, your talking about invest a high pick in a top notch talent inside, and then you want to use it to play smash the guard so DJ can run around? DJ needs to stop being a guy that our coordinators need to game plan involvement and be a nightmare for opposing coordinators. Inhibiting a talent like Rey to cater to DJ is silly. We could use someone like Spencer in that role if necessary. That's why I'd shove DJ on the outside.

Flex Gunmetal
01-31-2009, 11:20 AM
You would spend the 12th pick in the draft for a guy like Rey Maualuga, and then use him to occupy space and defenders to free up DJ Williams?!

Hilarious!

ROFL!
You've been spot on this week, Rev.
A lot of mocks have us taking Rey. I would be ecstatic. Ray, not so much. We would see an improvement, but at what cost? We're pretty far under the cap, right?

TheReverend
01-31-2009, 11:26 AM
ROFL!
You've been spot on this week, Rev.
A lot of mocks have us taking Rey. I would be ecstatic. Ray, not so much. We would see an improvement, but at what cost? We're pretty far under the cap, right?

I'd love to have Rey. Or Ray for that matter. I'm not sure where all of our all-world phyiscal linebackers came from that have so many people turned off of guys like them, last I checked we have... zero.

And LOTS of cap room!

TonyR
01-31-2009, 11:44 AM
Don't you watch "The Wire"? Great show...criminal town...

I'm through season 3 on DVD. It is a great show, one of the best ever. But just FYI, in case you're serious, that show is fictional, and I'm sure many/most big cities have similar problems.

TheReverend
01-31-2009, 11:49 AM
ROFL!
You've been spot on this week, Rev.
A lot of mocks have us taking Rey. I would be ecstatic. Ray, not so much. We would see an improvement, but at what cost? We're pretty far under the cap, right?

PS. By "this week" you mean "forever", right? :thumbsup:

gyldenlove
01-31-2009, 01:07 PM
I don't like the idea of Ray Lewis, he is old, will command top dollar and comes with character issues. I think we need to stay the course of getting character guys and try to avoid hand cuffing ourselves with large contracts for players who won't live up to them.

Right now, I like Jim Leonhard the most of the Ravens free agents, he has limited starting experience so he won't be Madieu Williams expensive hopefully and he can play either FS or SS.

I still hope Shaun Ellis will be cut by the Jets, he is due quite a hefty salary and entering the backloaded part of his deal and the Jets are in big trouble cap wise. If Lord Favre returns they will have to shed significant salary, for now though Laveranus Coles may be the only victim (incidentally I think he might be a good fit for us with his speed).

Sgt Sauce
01-31-2009, 01:48 PM
Don't you watch "The Wire"? Great show...criminal town... :clown:


A TV show makes a town "criminal", seriously? Every city has good areas and bad areas, and that show could of been based out of any city in the U.S. I've lived in Baltimore for several years and i'm sick of people who have never been there talkin' smack on it. There are several good colleges in the area, and there are some really nice areas in the city. Think before you just open your mouth and make yourself look like and ignorant ass.

colonelbeef
01-31-2009, 02:02 PM
no thanks.

Dudeskey
01-31-2009, 02:45 PM
That would fill the leadership void in this defense. I'm on the bandwagon...™

BroncoMan4ever
01-31-2009, 05:20 PM
I don't like the idea of Ray Lewis, he is old, will command top dollar and comes with character issues. I think we need to stay the course of getting character guys and try to avoid hand cuffing ourselves with large contracts for players who won't live up to them.

Right now, I like Jim Leonhard the most of the Ravens free agents, he has limited starting experience so he won't be Madieu Williams expensive hopefully and he can play either FS or SS.

I still hope Shaun Ellis will be cut by the Jets, he is due quite a hefty salary and entering the backloaded part of his deal and the Jets are in big trouble cap wise. If Lord Favre returns they will have to shed significant salary, for now though Laveranus Coles may be the only victim (incidentally I think he might be a good fit for us with his speed).

his character and demeanor and leadership on the field are the main reasons i would want him. that dude can get his team amped up really well and he leads a defense great.

cutthemdown
01-31-2009, 05:56 PM
This is what I focus on. In one breath, your talking about invest a high pick in a top notch talent inside, and then you want to use it to play smash the guard so DJ can run around? DJ needs to stop being a guy that our coordinators need to game plan involvement and be a nightmare for opposing coordinators. Inhibiting a talent like Rey to cater to DJ is silly. We could use someone like Spencer in that role if necessary. That's why I'd shove DJ on the outside.

DJ not a good enough pass rusher, not good enough vs the run, not big enough IMO to play outside in a 3-4.

He only fits inside in a 3-4 IMO and even for that he's about 10 lbs too small IMO.

We need 250 pound inside guys, 260 pound outside guys ideally for a stout 3-4. Now of course certain players play bigger then what they are but I don't see DJ that type of player.

If we stay 4-3 then DJ right at home on the weakside IMO. He would just need a big MLB with range and a stout SSL to compliment him.

Until we know what way Broncos going it's all guess work but now way any d coord ever tries to have DJ play outside in a 3-4. He would be taking on OT and getting pushed around and dominated every game.

mr007
01-31-2009, 06:21 PM
DJ not a good enough pass rusher, not good enough vs the run, not big enough IMO to play outside in a 3-4.

He only fits inside in a 3-4 IMO and even for that he's about 10 lbs too small IMO.

We need 250 pound inside guys, 260 pound outside guys ideally for a stout 3-4. Now of course certain players play bigger then what they are but I don't see DJ that type of player.

If we stay 4-3 then DJ right at home on the weakside IMO. He would just need a big MLB with range and a stout SSL to compliment him.

Until we know what way Broncos going it's all guess work but now way any d coord ever tries to have DJ play outside in a 3-4. He would be taking on OT and getting pushed around and dominated every game.

That's a whole lot of IMOs.... IMO. ;)

TheReverend
01-31-2009, 06:24 PM
DJ not a good enough pass rusher, not good enough vs the run, not big enough IMO to play outside in a 3-4.

He only fits inside in a 3-4 IMO and even for that he's about 10 lbs too small IMO.

We need 250 pound inside guys, 260 pound outside guys ideally for a stout 3-4. Now of course certain players play bigger then what they are but I don't see DJ that type of player.

If we stay 4-3 then DJ right at home on the weakside IMO. He would just need a big MLB with range and a stout SSL to compliment him.

Until we know what way Broncos going it's all guess work but now way any d coord ever tries to have DJ play outside in a 3-4. He would be taking on OT and getting pushed around and dominated every game.

You're looking a little too deeply at intangibles. Why are 3-4 ILBs bigger? Because they play in traffic. Why did we move DJ from being the D centerpiece at the Mike spot back to Will? Because he can't play in traffic.

If he can show something in camps, cool, I guess, but I don't have any faith in him as a 4-3 ILB, for sure.

Dudeskey
01-31-2009, 06:26 PM
DJ not a good enough pass rusher, not good enough vs the run, not big enough IMO to play outside in a 3-4.

He only fits inside in a 3-4 IMO and even for that he's about 10 lbs too small IMO.

We need 250 pound inside guys, 260 pound outside guys ideally for a stout 3-4. Now of course certain players play bigger then what they are but I don't see DJ that type of player.

If we stay 4-3 then DJ right at home on the weakside IMO. He would just need a big MLB with range and a stout SSL to compliment him.

Until we know what way Broncos going it's all guess work but now way any d coord ever tries to have DJ play outside in a 3-4. He would be taking on OT and getting pushed around and dominated every game.

Al Wilson was that kind of guy... Unfortunately DJ isn't... Playing him in any OLB position in a 3-4 spells certain disaster.