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montrose
01-29-2009, 08:16 AM
Shannon Sharpe Doesn't Expect Hall of Fame Selection; He's Probably Right
by Michael David Smith

TAMPA, Fla. -- Shannon Sharpe retired after the 2003 season as the owner of three Super Bowl rings and of the NFL records for catches, yards and touchdowns by a tight end. But that may not be enough to get him into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Sharpe said today that he's not expecting to be chosen when the Hall of Fame's Board of Selectors meets on Saturday. And based on the Hall of Fame voters I've spoken with this week in Tampa, he's probably right: Sharpe isn't very likely to be picked.

It seems that Sharpe is considered by many voters to be the kind of player who contributed to good teams for a long time, but didn't really change the game the way two other players on the ballot for the first time this year, Bruce Smith and Rod Woodson, did. Sharpe is one of those players who, in the view of some voters, pretty well defines what a "very good" but not "great" player looks like.

Still, it's going to be a close enough vote that I wouldn't totally rule Sharpe out. Smith and Woodson appear to be the only locks, and at least four players will be chosen. So Sharpe could be a surprise pick, especially if some of the voters can be swayed by the way he performed in big games.

My own feeling is that Sharpe, like Art Monk and Cris Carter, put up good enough receiving numbers and played well for a long enough period of time that he's probably going to get in eventually. It's just a question of whether the voters will let him behind the curtain the first year he's eligible, or whether he'll have to wait a few years. Sharpe is bracing himself for the wait.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/01/28/shannon-sharpe-doesnt-expect-hall-of-fame-selection-hes-proba/#cont

vancejohnson82
01-29-2009, 08:18 AM
He HAS to eventually get in....

He changed the position, much like Kellen Winslow did...he was too big for corners to take on and too fast for linebackers....its not a coincidence he was on good teams...he added a whole new element to the offense

Man-Goblin
01-29-2009, 08:18 AM
Shannon Sharpe Doesn't Expect Hall of Fame Selection; He's Probably Right
by Michael David Smith

TAMPA, Fla. -- Shannon Sharpe retired after the 2003 season as the owner of three Super Bowl rings and of the NFL records for catches, yards and touchdowns by a tight end. But that may not be enough to get him into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Sharpe said today that he's not expecting to be chosen when the Hall of Fame's Board of Selectors meets on Saturday. And based on the Hall of Fame voters I've spoken with this week in Tampa, he's probably right: Sharpe isn't very likely to be picked.

It seems that Sharpe is considered by many voters to be the kind of player who contributed to good teams for a long time, but didn't really change the game the way two other players on the ballot for the first time this year, Bruce Smith and Rod Woodson, did. Sharpe is one of those players who, in the view of some voters, pretty well defines what a "very good" but not "great" player looks like.

Still, it's going to be a close enough vote that I wouldn't totally rule Sharpe out. Smith and Woodson appear to be the only locks, and at least four players will be chosen. So Sharpe could be a surprise pick, especially if some of the voters can be swayed by the way he performed in big games.

My own feeling is that Sharpe, like Art Monk and Cris Carter, put up good enough receiving numbers and played well for a long enough period of time that he's probably going to get in eventually. It's just a question of whether the voters will let him behind the curtain the first year he's eligible, or whether he'll have to wait a few years. Sharpe is bracing himself for the wait.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/01/28/s...es-proba/#cont (http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/01/28/shannon-sharpe-doesnt-expect-hall-of-fame-selection-hes-proba/#cont)

Didn't change the game? What the hell?

gunns
01-29-2009, 08:22 AM
Unbelievable. He went above and beyond in the TE position. The Broncos were merely good when he came to them. They became great with him and other players. No one player makes a great team. How pivotal was he in that AFCC game against Pitt? So I guess Tony Gonzalez will fail on his first ballot also. He was on a good team and they became worse.

crush17
01-29-2009, 08:24 AM
this is laughable!

theAPAOps5
01-29-2009, 08:29 AM
This guy is cherry picking Sharpes comments. Sharpe on all the radio shows this week has said he is going into it with no expectations. Its not that he thinks he isn't getting in its just that he isn't getting his hopes up.

The problem is the voters might lump him in as a WR, some have said that publicly, which may delay it.

Beantown Bronco
01-29-2009, 08:32 AM
Unreal.

Any time you leave the game as the #1 guy in history at your position in receptions, yards and TDs AND have 3 SB rings, you should be a shoe-in.

And, since they were the ones to bring up Art Monk, how about this for a comparison:

Art Monk:

16 seasons as a WR: 940 rec - 12,721 yards - 68 TDs

Sharpe:

Only 14 seasons as a TE: 815 rec - 10,060 yds - 62 TDs

Hotrod
01-29-2009, 08:32 AM
Would anyone really be surprised if an ex Bronco was snubbed at the HOF???

no-pseudo-fan
01-29-2009, 08:34 AM
Just another case of them finding faults in Denver Players. First it was some crap about not playing on great teams, now that we have players coming up with the rings and the records, now he "did change the game". I am calling BS. Shannon did every thing that you would ask of someone. He deserves to be ASAP. Too bad we do not have a great presenter to plead his case.

montrose
01-29-2009, 08:37 AM
I thought his years in Baltimore would get him in but it looks unlikely. Guys and gals it could be along time before another Bronco sniffs the HOF (assuming Sharpe has to wait).

DomCasual
01-29-2009, 08:37 AM
At this point, as long as the NFL has been around, if you break all the records at your position, you should get in the Hall of Fame. Period. Sure, they might get broken by someone else. But if you broke them, it means you were great in the perspective of history - a long history.

It bugs me when writers label someone this way. That's how this east coast bias sustains itself. Sharpe was a great receiving Tight End, and he was a hard enough worker to have made himself into a solid (if not great) blocking Tight End. And he left the game with all the significant records for Tight Ends. On top of that, he won three rings. What in the heck else do you have to do?

Old Dude
01-29-2009, 08:38 AM
Just ridiculous.

I can't think of many players who had more of an impact on changing the role of a position than Sharpe.

Plus, at the time he retired, which is what counts, he led all TEs in every imaginable statistical category - including every existing TE in the Hall of Fame. Even if you see him as nothing more than an oversized WR, his stats are compelling.

Three super bowl rings with two different teams.

Plus, he's still in the NFL spotlight with his broadcasting connections.

If he's not a lock, then there really is a conspiracy.

ludo21
01-29-2009, 08:39 AM
Sharpe deserves to be in. If he has to wait over 5 years I will be pissed for him.

WolfpackGuy
01-29-2009, 08:40 AM
He has the numbers and the rings to back it up.
People want to bring up his blocking, but although he wasn't a great blocker, he was decent.
TD didn't run for over 1500, 1700, and 2000 yards without a TE who could block at least some of the time.

dbfan21
01-29-2009, 08:40 AM
Shannon Sharpe Doesn't Expect Hall of Fame Selection; He's Probably Right
by Michael David Smith

TAMPA, Fla. -- Shannon Sharpe retired after the 2003 season as the owner of three Super Bowl rings and of the NFL records for catches, yards and touchdowns by a tight end. But that may not be enough to get him into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Sharpe said today that he's not expecting to be chosen when the Hall of Fame's Board of Selectors meets on Saturday. And based on the Hall of Fame voters I've spoken with this week in Tampa, he's probably right: Sharpe isn't very likely to be picked.

It seems that Sharpe is considered by many voters to be the kind of player who contributed to good teams for a long time, but didn't really change the game the way two other players on the ballot for the first time this year, Bruce Smith and Rod Woodson, did. Sharpe is one of those players who, in the view of some voters, pretty well defines what a "very good" but not "great" player looks like.

Still, it's going to be a close enough vote that I wouldn't totally rule Sharpe out. Smith and Woodson appear to be the only locks, and at least four players will be chosen. So Sharpe could be a surprise pick, especially if some of the voters can be swayed by the way he performed in big games.

My own feeling is that Sharpe, like Art Monk and Cris Carter, put up good enough receiving numbers and played well for a long enough period of time that he's probably going to get in eventually. It's just a question of whether the voters will let him behind the curtain the first year he's eligible, or whether he'll have to wait a few years. Sharpe is bracing himself for the wait.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/01/28/shannon-sharpe-doesnt-expect-hall-of-fame-selection-hes-proba/#cont

So, not only can a player get penalized for playing on BAD teams (an not winning titles), but now players get knocked for playing on GOOD teams.

What's the conspiracy on Broncos players getting into the Hall? Frickin' ridiculous!!

Rohirrim
01-29-2009, 08:45 AM
Didn't change the game? He revolutionized the position. More East Coast **** wad brain dead bs. **** the HOF.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-29-2009, 08:46 AM
Yeah, this is complete crap. he finished his career as the most prolific ever at his position. He won 3 super bowls and, if you ask Elway, was probably his all time favorite target. Not to mention, he's a good quote.

What more does he need?

gyldenlove
01-29-2009, 08:49 AM
He rewrote the record books for his position, how is that not changing the game?

If you apply that logic then Jerry Rice shouldn't get in, but that is clearly nonsense.

no-pseudo-fan
01-29-2009, 08:56 AM
So, not only can a player get penalized for playing on BAD teams (an not winning titles), but now players get knocked for playing on GOOD teams.

What's the conspiracy on Broncos players getting into the Hall? Frickin' ridiculous!!

They can vote every Steeler player from the 70's into the HOF, and nothing is said. When it is Denver's turn to get people in, now the rules change.

I can say that Bruce Smith was never the best player at his position, and never changed the game. Reggie White was better. Bruce Smith played on great Bills teams. Shannon was the best TE in the league most of his career, has the rings.

montrose
01-29-2009, 08:58 AM
Had he had the same career playing for the Giants he'd be a unanimous pick.

crawdad
01-29-2009, 09:00 AM
Would anyone really be surprised if an ex Bronco was snubbed at the HOF???

Never! That couldn't happen to us, right?

Popps
01-29-2009, 09:01 AM
He rewrote the record books for his position, how is that not changing the game?

If you apply that logic then Jerry Rice shouldn't get in, but that is clearly nonsense.

Exactly.

I'm assuming this writer is using Winslow as his justification as to how Sharpe "didn't change the game." That's debatable.

What's not debatable is that Sharpe put up better career stats, played in a few SBs and was his team's only true receiving threat many seasons. Maybe that's because Winslow was always nursing some kind of leg injury.

Shapre must get in and he will get in. It's absolute insanity if he doesn't.

crawdad
01-29-2009, 09:04 AM
I totally agree with you on this Popps!

hades
01-29-2009, 09:05 AM
Just another reason I will never go to Canton and visit the HOF. They need to rename it to Crock of Fame.

TheReverend
01-29-2009, 09:09 AM
Exactly.

I'm assuming this writer is using Winslow as his justification as to how Sharpe "didn't change the game." That's debatable.

What's not debatable is that Sharpe put up better career stats, won a few SBs and was his team's only true receiving threat many seasons. Maybe that's because Winslow was always nursing some kind of leg injury.

Shapre must get in and he will get in. It's absolute insanity if he doesn't.

Fixed, but other than that, EXACTLY

Kaylore
01-29-2009, 09:12 AM
Had he had the same career playing for the Giants he'd be a unanimous pick.

Absolutely true. How much you want to bet they find a way get Mark Bavaro in? The HOF is a joke. a warning to all players who become Broncos: You can be the best at your position and it won't matter - you won't go into the hall of fame.

Peoples Champ
01-29-2009, 09:16 AM
Unbelievable. He went above and beyond in the TE position. The Broncos were merely good when he came to them. They became great with him and other players. No one player makes a great team. How pivotal was he in that AFCC game against Pitt? So I guess Tony Gonzalez will fail on his first ballot also. He was on a good team and they became worse.



Thats exacly what came to my mind. If Sharpe doesnt get in by setting TE records (later to be broken by Tony G) and make a good team better by winning Rings, then Tony G should not even be considered, regardless of the numbers he put up. His team was garbage just about all the years he was on it, and he had "no affect" on the game according to the article.

HEAV
01-29-2009, 10:25 AM
I feel that Sharpe has a decent chance to get in Saturday. Hell I can already see the Broncos playing in the hall of fame game this summer.

enjolras
01-29-2009, 10:29 AM
How the hell does Warren Moon get into the HOF if Sharpe doesn't?

Also, why doesn't that argument work in reverse? T.D. was absolutely the best at his position for a period of 4 years. He won a league MVP. He was a superbowl MVP. The third back to ever rush for 2000 yards. Yet he can't get in. Why? Because he didn't play long enough.

Now you have Sharpe who was VERY good for a long period of time, and he can't get in.

I'm guessing it has more to do with the uniform they wore.

Rohirrim
01-29-2009, 10:31 AM
Had he had the same career playing for the Giants he'd be a unanimous pick.

That statement hits the nail square on the head. Same as it ever was.

Peoples Champ
01-29-2009, 10:32 AM
How the hell does Warren Moon get into the HOF if Sharpe doesn't?

Also, why doesn't that argument work in reverse? T.D. was absolutely the best at his position for a period of 4 years. He won a league MVP. He was a superbowl MVP. The third back to ever rush for 2000 yards. Yet he can't get in. Why? Because he didn't play long enough.

Now you have Sharpe who was VERY good for a long period of time, and he can't get in.

I'm guessing it has more to do with the uniform they wore.


Very good, he was great, amazing. Record setting. What are they going to argue, all of that was because of Elway, thats BS. They talk about Tony G being a first balloter, and his team always sucks.

TheDave
01-29-2009, 10:40 AM
Just ridiculous.

I can't think of many players who had more of an impact on changing the role of a position than Sharpe.

Plus, at the time he retired, which is what counts, he led all TEs in every imaginable statistical category - including every existing TE in the Hall of Fame. Even if you see him as nothing more than an oversized WR, his stats are compelling.



in addition to all his reception and TD records he also blocked for a 2000 yd RB in 98 and won superbowls with 2 different organizations...

Here's a good question... What more could the guy have done?

BroncoBuff
01-29-2009, 10:42 AM
He's a first ballot lock.

I'm taking bets btw ....

broncobum6162
01-29-2009, 10:42 AM
Didn't change the game? What the hell?

The article didn't mention that he played the majority of his career in Denver.
Don't we all know that that is the kiss of death for any NFL player? Denver Broncos very rarely enter the HOF.

Peoples Champ
01-29-2009, 10:58 AM
in addition to all his reception and TD records he also blocked for a 2000 yd RB in 98 and won superbowls with 2 different organizations...

Here's a good question... What more could the guy have done?

I would like to know what more could he have done? (if he doesnt make it this year)

I cant think of anything more he could have done. He put up HOF numbers. Then someone says, well he put up numbers, but did he help his team win? Answer, yes, three superbowls, two teams. I dont know what else he could of done.

BroncoMan4ever
01-29-2009, 11:48 AM
Shannon Sharpe Doesn't Expect Hall of Fame Selection; He's Probably Right
by Michael David Smith

TAMPA, Fla. -- Shannon Sharpe retired after the 2003 season as the owner of three Super Bowl rings and of the NFL records for catches, yards and touchdowns by a tight end. But that may not be enough to get him into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Sharpe said today that he's not expecting to be chosen when the Hall of Fame's Board of Selectors meets on Saturday. And based on the Hall of Fame voters I've spoken with this week in Tampa, he's probably right: Sharpe isn't very likely to be picked.

It seems that Sharpe is considered by many voters to be the kind of player who contributed to good teams for a long time, but didn't really change the game the way two other players on the ballot for the first time this year, Bruce Smith and Rod Woodson, did. Sharpe is one of those players who, in the view of some voters, pretty well defines what a "very good" but not "great" player looks like.

Still, it's going to be a close enough vote that I wouldn't totally rule Sharpe out. Smith and Woodson appear to be the only locks, and at least four players will be chosen. So Sharpe could be a surprise pick, especially if some of the voters can be swayed by the way he performed in big games.

My own feeling is that Sharpe, like Art Monk and Cris Carter, put up good enough receiving numbers and played well for a long enough period of time that he's probably going to get in eventually. It's just a question of whether the voters will let him behind the curtain the first year he's eligible, or whether he'll have to wait a few years. Sharpe is bracing himself for the wait.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/01/28/shannon-sharpe-doesnt-expect-hall-of-fame-selection-hes-proba/#cont

WHAT!? Sharpe changed the way the TE position was played and looked at. He was the 90's version of Kellen Winslow who changed the position.

Inkana7
01-29-2009, 11:53 AM
How did Bruce Smith change the game in a way that Sharpe didn't? He was overshadowed by Reggie White his entire career.

NeverBeenToDenver
01-29-2009, 12:03 PM
Worst Hall of Fame in sports. Period. It's been well-established. No one even understands their process or standards to begin with.

Bronx33
01-29-2009, 12:06 PM
Hes a bronco did anybody expect any better treatment?

bpc
01-29-2009, 12:14 PM
called this awhile back. I knew they were going to try and discredit him at any chance they could along with the Broncos. Peter King said that his main problem is that "Tony G and about 3 other TE's will have better numbers by the end of their career."

The problem I have with this is, he left the game with most of the records. GOOD FOR HIM! That speaks volumes.

You can't say we didn't run the ball because his career largely coincided with the Mike Shanahan era and our team running the ball successfully each year during that time. WE HAD A 2000 YD RUSHER! I don't care what you say about Sharpe, the man put a hat on a hat. His teams were largely successful running the ball. 2+2=2. It's not that simple.

One thing that needs to be taken into account is that Sharpe redefined his position. HOF voters are knocking him for that saying there are more passing catching TE's now in his mold. Is this a bad thing? It should be a credit to him. So many people have been thought of as revolutionary if they changed the way a position was played. Not in Denver. That's a cold hard knock against that player.

HOF needs to go **** itself. Seriously. Letting some fatass media type determine who gets in the HOF is a joke.

TomServo
01-29-2009, 12:15 PM
another hof bronco snub? i dont care. even if sharpe gets in this ballot i dont care. the pro footbal hof is dead to me.
all the snubs, a clown like michael irvin getting in early whlie floyd little and randy gradishar are treated like dirt, the hof throws the broncos a couple of bones and were supposed to smile and say thank you. but its too late for this fan to get excited about it. its just as valid as say a grammy or an oscar anymore.

Bronx33
01-29-2009, 12:19 PM
another hof bronco snub? i dont care. even if sharpe gets in this ballot i dont care. the pro footbal hof is dead to me.
all the snubs, a clown like michael irvin getting in early whlie floyd little and randy gradishar are treated like dirt, the hof throws the broncos a couple of bones and were supposed to smile and say thank you. but its too late for this fan to get excited about it. its just as valid as say a grammy or an oscar anymore.


QFT! the good old boys club is a joke and a blackeye for all the great players that deserve to be in the hall and the irvin induction pushed it over the edge for me ( so f*** em).

NeverBeenToDenver
01-29-2009, 12:28 PM
Shannon Sharpe was the first TE in post-merger history to bring about the phrase, "WR in a TEs body." If that's not revolutionary, then I need some schooling.

brother love
01-29-2009, 12:44 PM
How the hell does Warren Moon get into the HOF if Sharpe doesn't?

Also, why doesn't that argument work in reverse? T.D. was absolutely the best at his position for a period of 4 years. He won a league MVP. He was a superbowl MVP. The third back to ever rush for 2000 yards. Yet he can't get in. Why? Because he didn't play long enough.

Now you have Sharpe who was VERY good for a long period of time, and he can't get in.

I'm guessing it has more to do with the uniform they wore.

I heard Dan Patrick interview Peter King on Monday and he said that Davis isn't a Hall Of Famer. King had the worst argument I have ever heard! That Asshole said if Jim Sorgi was the QB of Denver at the time would Davis still have been as good as he was. Yeah I bet Jerry Rice would have put up Hall Of Fame numbers if Cleo Lemon was his QB!

DomCasual
01-29-2009, 12:47 PM
I heard Dan Patrick interview Peter King on Monday and he said that Davis isn't a Hall Of Famer. King had the worst argument I have ever heard! That a-hole said if Jim Sorgi was the QB of Denver at the time would Davis still have been as good as he was. Yeah I bet Jerry Rice would have put up Hall Of Fame numbers if Cleo Lemon was his QB!

Paul Zimmerman was actually on the TD for HofF thing last year. Then he went and had a stroke.

HooptyHoops
01-29-2009, 01:09 PM
How the hell does Warren Moon get into the HOF if Sharpe doesn't?

Also, why doesn't that argument work in reverse? T.D. was absolutely the best at his position for a period of 4 years. He won a league MVP. He was a superbowl MVP. The third back to ever rush for 2000 yards. Yet he can't get in. Why? Because he didn't play long enough.

Now you have Sharpe who was VERY good for a long period of time, and he can't get in.

I'm guessing it has more to do with the uniform they wore.

Amen, preach it!!

chex
01-29-2009, 01:48 PM
All Hall of Fame voting is a joke. I never understood why they make players wait. They should just have one vote on each player; either they make it, or they don't. Player's stats don't change after they retire, so how could someone's numbers not be good enough now, but suddenly be good enough years later? It's ridiculous. Get rid of all this "first ballot" stuff.

And I don't buy the "east coast bias" nonsense either. It's not just east coast players in the HOF. Harry Carson had to wait before he got in; it's not like every Giant is getting in their first year of eligibility. Art Monk played on the east coast; what's his excuse?

BroncoBuff
01-29-2009, 02:10 PM
I just re-read that thing, and I think he's on drugs ...

Sharpe is a first-ballot lock. His records stood until just this past season ferhevvinsake.

Hogan11
01-29-2009, 02:14 PM
Sharpe is a first-ballot lock.

Only if he says he'll go in as a Raven. If he states he's going in as a Bronco, he'll wait two years. Just watch and see.

lex
01-29-2009, 02:19 PM
Stop subscribing to SI. Also, if Paige is still one of the voters, you know thats not helping. This should pretty much be a slam dunk though. I agree. I dont see why Bruce Smith is a lock but Sharpe is not. Not only does he have the passing stats and the rings but he also blocked for a 2,000 rusher.

Hogan11
01-29-2009, 02:33 PM
Stop subscribing to SI. Also, if Paige is still one of the voters, you know thats not helping. This should pretty much be a slam dunk though. I agree. I dont see why Bruce Smith is a lock but Sharpe is not. Not only does he have the passing stats and the rings but he also blocked for a 2,000 rusher.

Bruce Smith spent a season or two with the Redskins, that ='s lock Hilarious!

broncofan7
01-29-2009, 02:44 PM
Is this a joke of some sort? For Sharpe to not get in is a travesty.

HooptyHoops
01-29-2009, 02:49 PM
Sharp CHANGED the way people look at TE's...he was a game CHANGER and belongs in the Hall PERIOD.

Tombstone RJ
01-29-2009, 03:09 PM
Shannon Sharpe Doesn't Expect Hall of Fame Selection; He's Probably Right
by Michael David Smith

TAMPA, Fla. -- Shannon Sharpe retired after the 2003 season as the owner of three Super Bowl rings and of the NFL records for catches, yards and touchdowns by a tight end. But that may not be enough to get him into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Sharpe said today that he's not expecting to be chosen when the Hall of Fame's Board of Selectors meets on Saturday. And based on the Hall of Fame voters I've spoken with this week in Tampa, he's probably right: Sharpe isn't very likely to be picked.

It seems that Sharpe is considered by many voters to be the kind of player who contributed to good teams for a long time, but didn't really change the game the way two other players on the ballot for the first time this year, Bruce Smith and Rod Woodson, did. Sharpe is one of those players who, in the view of some voters, pretty well defines what a "very good" but not "great" player looks like.

Still, it's going to be a close enough vote that I wouldn't totally rule Sharpe out. Smith and Woodson appear to be the only locks, and at least four players will be chosen. So Sharpe could be a surprise pick, especially if some of the voters can be swayed by the way he performed in big games.

My own feeling is that Sharpe, like Art Monk and Cris Carter, put up good enough receiving numbers and played well for a long enough period of time that he's probably going to get in eventually. It's just a question of whether the voters will let him behind the curtain the first year he's eligible, or whether he'll have to wait a few years. Sharpe is bracing himself for the wait.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/01/28/shannon-sharpe-doesnt-expect-hall-of-fame-selection-hes-proba/#cont


What a cock of crap. He's a TE you wanker, not a WR. He broke allot of records and has 3 rings! But, alas, he's a Bronco and therefore, not really a part of the greatness that is the NFL...

colonelbeef
01-29-2009, 04:04 PM
If he was a Steeler or Cowboy we wouldn't be having this discussion. the Broncos are definitely the most overlooked franchise in the NFL when it comes to the HOF.

ro_50
01-29-2009, 04:09 PM
F the HoF. We all know it's a joke.

BroncoBuff
01-29-2009, 04:10 PM
Stop with the "woe is me" victimization .... Shannon's a lock.

Willynowei
01-29-2009, 04:17 PM
cmon does ne one take the hof seriously any more?
Screw them

NUB
01-29-2009, 04:18 PM
He'll get in the Hall.

If he doesn't... that would just be... ****ing ridiculous. I don't even know. It would be absurd.

KCStud
01-29-2009, 06:00 PM
He'll get in sooner or later. DT still hasn't been voted in either and he was one of the best pass rushers who has ever played the game

Greybeard
01-29-2009, 06:13 PM
Would anyone really be surprised if an ex Bronco was snubbed at the HOF???

My first thought, exactly . . .

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Hogan11
01-29-2009, 06:42 PM
He'll get in the Hall.

If he doesn't... that would just be... ****ing ridiculous. I don't even know. It would be absurd.

Well....the Hall is pretty absurd as it is.

extralife
01-29-2009, 08:16 PM
In the face of this news, ESPN.com is running a story advocating Hines Ward for the Hall of Fame.

Now, if, hypothetically, Hines Ward makes it and Shannon Sharpe and Rod Smith don't, I will lose my mind. I literally used to describe Hines Ward as a poor man's Rod Smith.

Hamrob
01-29-2009, 08:24 PM
Un FFFFFKKKKK ggggg believable! Shannan Sharpe won 3 rings and every one of those teams would have struggled without him. I'll go out on a limb and say...the Ravens had very little chance without him. He was the difference maker on their way to the Superbowl.

This guys an idiot and so are the voters if he doesn't get in right away!!!

La Caspa Del Diablo
01-29-2009, 08:46 PM
This is one of those classes where they should take three guys that deserve to go in together. Shannon Sharpe, Bruce Smith and Rod Woodson. Having any three of them miss it would take some of the luster away from the induction. Stud induction classes sell, especially when it's laden with first timers.

SlipperyPete
01-29-2009, 09:16 PM
Good lord, calm down. People here are acting like if he doesn't get in the first time he's on the ballot then he'll never get in at all.

Better players than Shannon haven't made it in the first time they were eligible. If he doesn't make it in this year, he'll make it in a year or two. Even the article said that. It's not like it said he doesn't deserve to be in.

La Caspa Del Diablo
01-29-2009, 09:20 PM
Better players than Shannon haven't made it in the first time they were eligible.

Like who?

footstepsfrom#27
01-30-2009, 06:30 AM
He not only changed the game, he re-defined the TE position. What a freaking joke. He should be 1st ballot HOF selection EASILY.

rad
01-30-2009, 07:14 AM
What a cock of crap. He's a TE you wanker, not a WR. He broke allot of records and has 3 rings! But, alas, he's a Bronco and therefore, not really a part of the greatness that is the NFL...

I keep seeing you guys say he broke alot of records, I'm curious which ones? I thought it was just the yardage record?

rad
01-30-2009, 07:16 AM
Thats exacly what came to my mind. If Sharpe doesnt get in by setting TE records (later to be broken by Tony G) and make a good team better by winning Rings, then Tony G should not even be considered, regardless of the numbers he put up. His team was garbage just about all the years he was on it, and he had "no affect" on the game according to the article.

Tony G>>>>>>Shannon S.


Not even debatable.

lex
01-30-2009, 07:23 AM
He'll get in sooner or later. DT still hasn't been voted in either and he was one of the best pass rushers who has ever played the game

True but he has no rings. DT should have been in by now also. He was better than Harry Carson.

lex
01-30-2009, 07:27 AM
Good lord, calm down. People here are acting like if he doesn't get in the first time he's on the ballot then he'll never get in at all.

Better players than Shannon haven't made it in the first time they were eligible. If he doesn't make it in this year, he'll make it in a year or two. Even the article said that. It's not like it said he doesn't deserve to be in.

No, people are reacting to the perpetual injustice against Denver players. When a guy from MIT does a piece on how inexplicable it is that Denver players have been shafted through the years, it says something. This is more of that but worse.

Rohirrim
01-30-2009, 07:32 AM
True but he has no rings. DT should have been in by now also. He was better than Harry Carson.

Really? DT played on the Giants? Ha!

And if you think I'm kidding, go here and see how many the Giants have in the hall: http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/teams.html

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
01-30-2009, 07:34 AM
Report: Sharpe not expected to get HOF nod

Then the HOF is a f@cking joke.

lex
01-30-2009, 07:49 AM
Really? DT played on the Giants? Ha!

And if you think I'm kidding, go here and see how many the Giants have in the hall: http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/teams.html


Well, a lot of them played in the 30s-60s. I have no problem with that. But I think youre right in pointing out the bias. Clearly somethings amiss.

lex
01-30-2009, 07:51 AM
Tony G>>>>>>Shannon S.


Not even debatable.

It is debatable. Sharpe was more mobile and fluid. And, again, he blocked for a 2,000 yard rusher. Not only that but Sharpe played on teams with Rod Smith and Eddie Mac. Gonzo was all KC had in the passing game so that helped his receiving stats.

Circle Orange
01-30-2009, 08:16 AM
This guy is cherry picking Sharpes comments. Sharpe on all the radio shows this week has said he is going into it with no expectations. Its not that he thinks he isn't getting in its just that he isn't getting his hopes up.

The problem is the voters might lump him in as a WR, some have said that publicly, which may delay it.

Yeah, that 'report' is a bunch of hoo...I saw Sharpe's comments on NFL network. He's pretty much guarded but hopeful.

Circle Orange
01-30-2009, 08:18 AM
He has the numbers and the rings to back it up.
People want to bring up his blocking, but although he wasn't a great blocker, he was decent.
TD didn't run for over 1500, 1700, and 2000 yards without a TE who could block at least some of the time.

True. I always laugh when people give all the credit to TD for the super bowl victories...we get to those bowls with Bubby? And cripes, the whole friggin team blocked for the run game, even Eddy McCaffery.

Circle Orange
01-30-2009, 08:19 AM
It is debatable. Sharpe was more mobile and fluid. And, again, he blocked for a 2,000 yard rusher. Not only that but Sharpe played on teams with Rod Smith and Eddie Mac. Gonzo was all KC had in the passing game so that helped his receiving stats.

Different styles. Sharpe was more fluid, but also smaller. Gonzo much larger, pure athleticism and power. Similar, yet different. Both cute, though. That should count for something. :strong:

Tombstone RJ
01-30-2009, 08:23 AM
I keep seeing you guys say he broke alot of records, I'm curious which ones? I thought it was just the yardage record?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SharSh00.htm

Only TE with better numbers is Tgon.

rad
01-30-2009, 08:58 AM
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SharSh00.htm

Only TE with better numbers is Tgon.


No NFL records listed here.

Tombstone RJ
01-30-2009, 09:03 AM
No NFL records listed here.

READ THE FIRST PARAGRAPH:

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/01/28/shannon-sharpe-doesnt-expect-hall-of-fame-selection-hes-proba/

epicSocialism4tw
01-30-2009, 10:01 AM
Just ridiculous.

I can't think of many players who had more of an impact on changing the role of a position than Sharpe.

Plus, at the time he retired, which is what counts, he led all TEs in every imaginable statistical category - including every existing TE in the Hall of Fame. Even if you see him as nothing more than an oversized WR, his stats are compelling.

Three super bowl rings with two different teams.

Plus, he's still in the NFL spotlight with his broadcasting connections.

If he's not a lock, then there really is a conspiracy.

This pretty much sums it up for me.

Broncos fans shouldnt darken the doors of that place. They dont want you there. Dont go.

rad
01-30-2009, 10:19 AM
READ THE FIRST PARAGRAPH:

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/01/28/shannon-sharpe-doesnt-expect-hall-of-fame-selection-hes-proba/

THAT WAS A DIFFERENT LINK THAN YOUR PREVIOUS POST

Greybeard
01-30-2009, 01:44 PM
True. I always laugh when people give all the credit to TD for the super bowl victories...we get to those bowls with Bubby? And cripes, the whole friggin team blocked for the run game, even Eddy McCaffery.

Even McCaffrey? You kidding me? The guy was a blocking freak!

Here's an example:

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/BHqie0q7I5Y&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/BHqie0q7I5Y&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHqie0q7I5Y


Anyway, Sharpe was a lot better blocker in his later years, but had trouble
shedding his "non-blocking" jacket of earlier years. He was a WR who had to
learn how to play TE. It took him a while, but he ended up being a G.O.A.T.

-----

Inkana7
01-30-2009, 02:06 PM
Even McCaffrey? You kidding me? The guy was a blocking freak!

Here's an example:

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/BHqie0q7I5Y&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/BHqie0q7I5Y&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHqie0q7I5Y


Anyway, Sharpe was a lot better blocker in his later years, but had trouble
shedding his "non-blocking" jacket of earlier years. He was a WR who had to
learn how to play TE. It took him a while, but he ended up being a G.O.A.T.

-----

I've always wondered what Easy Ed said to that dude after he pancaked him. They asked him last year and they said he'd never tell. Bastard.

Rock Chalk
01-30-2009, 02:07 PM
I've always wondered what Easy Ed said to that dude after he pancaked him. They asked him last year and they said he'd never tell. Bastard.

Probably something to the effect of "Stay down bitch". Or maybe that's just what I would have said.

Inkana7
01-30-2009, 02:17 PM
Probably something to the effect of "Stay down b****". Or maybe that's just what I would have said.
That's pretty much word for word what I would say whenever I pancaked anyone in HS. It didn't happen much, so I made the most of it.

UberBroncoMan
01-30-2009, 03:52 PM
Journalists can go to hell.

Votes should go to former players/coaches who actually know what the hell was going on.

Tombstone RJ
01-30-2009, 03:54 PM
THAT WAS A DIFFERENT LINK THAN YOUR PREVIOUS POST

Your the goober asking the questions and your too fricken lazy to do a search.

Get lost, newbie.

rad
01-31-2009, 07:22 AM
Your the goober asking the questions and your too fricken lazy to do a search.

Get lost, newbie.

I prefer it when others do the legwork.

And you did.

Good boy, now go fetch me a soda. ;)

Spider
01-31-2009, 07:31 AM
T.E.
Dave Casper
Mike Ditka
John Mackey
Ozzie Newsome
Jackie Smith
Kellen Winslow
Charlie Sanders
are the only T.E. in the HOF .....
Sharpe was better then those guys except Ditka , Ditka by far is the best TE ever .. Ditak made the T.E. position what it is today .......But I dont know if any where 1 st time HOF members

Spider
01-31-2009, 07:33 AM
He HAS to eventually get in....

He changed the position, much like Kellen Winslow did...he was too big for corners to take on and too fast for linebackers....its not a coincidence he was on good teams...he added a whole new element to the offense

No niether one changed the position , that honor belongs to Ditka ........

Sassy
01-31-2009, 07:46 AM
I've always wondered what Easy Ed said to that dude after he pancaked him. They asked him last year and they said he'd never tell. Bastard.

I miss Eddie Mac :(

gunns
01-31-2009, 08:08 AM
Does anyone know what time this is going to be announced?

Never mind, just found it....12:30 MST

loborugger
01-31-2009, 08:44 AM
T.E.
Dave Casper
Mike Ditka
John Mackey
Ozzie Newsome
Jackie Smith
Kellen Winslow
Charlie Sanders
are the only T.E. in the HOF .....
Sharpe was better then those guys except Ditka , Ditka by far is the best TE ever .. Ditak made the T.E. position what it is today .......But I dont know if any where 1 st time HOF members

Maybe thats why Sharpe isnt expecting to get the nod on his first year of eligibility. TE is not a *wow* position. However, I would be shocked if he wasnt in the HOF inside of 5 years. The dudes name belongs in the category of those listed above.

Spider
01-31-2009, 08:55 AM
Maybe thats why Sharpe isnt expecting to get the nod on his first year of eligibility. TE is not a *wow* position. However, I would be shocked if he wasnt in the HOF inside of 5 years. The dudes name belongs in the category of those listed above.

;D I agree with every word of this post ........

SouthStndJunkie
01-31-2009, 09:10 AM
Sharpe will be in the Hall of Fame....if not this year, in the near future.

His total resume and body of work, including playoff and Super Bowl wins, is more impressive than Tony G's.

Let's face it....Tony G has no playoff wins in a long career....Sharpe has 12 playoff wins and 3 Super Bowls rings.

Tony G deserves to be in the HOF....and he will be.

But to think that Sharpe does not deserve to be in the HOF is foolish.

SouthStndJunkie
01-31-2009, 09:11 AM
I think it is about 50/50 for Sharpe making it this year.

Atlas
01-31-2009, 09:11 AM
Rod Woodsen is one of the most overrated players in NFL history.

Sharpe didn't change the game??? Didn't he revolutionize the TE position?

This is stupid. They say Sharpe couldn't block but yet he played TE for the best running team in the NFL from 1995-1999.

The only reason Sharpe isn't getting in is because he is a Bronco.

Spider
01-31-2009, 09:13 AM
i didnt get into the Gonzo vs Sharpe debate ,waste of time ....... Sharpe does deserve the Hall no question about it , but I just dont know if T.E. position is a first time nod ...........

crawdad
01-31-2009, 09:14 AM
I miss Eddie Mac :(

I think we all miss Eddie!

Spider
01-31-2009, 09:20 AM
Rod Woodsen is one of the most overrated players in NFL history.

Sharpe didn't change the game??? Didn't he revolutionize the TE position?

This is stupid. They say Sharpe couldn't block but yet he played TE for the best running team in the NFL from 1995-1999.

The only reason Sharpe isn't getting in is because he is a Bronco.

I just dont know if a T.E. is a first time HOF .........i hope he is , but i think this has more to do with the position then team ....... Mike Ditka is the one that changed the game forever and he didnt get in until 88

~Crash~
01-31-2009, 10:15 AM
Rod Woodsen is one of the most overrated players in NFL history.

Sharpe didn't change the game??? Didn't he revolutionize the TE position?

This is stupid. They say Sharpe couldn't block but yet he played TE for the best running team in the NFL from 1995-1999.

The only reason Sharpe isn't getting in is because he is a Bronco.

I agree I seem to remember Sharp Icing a Game against the Steelers we came how close to never getting to SB 32 ?

He was the reason we one one SB IMO ...and was the reason the Rat birds won the SB he was there O .

If he does not get in I think us Bronco fans ought to get to gether and pull a sneaky snake and make those aholes wish they never messed with our fan base or our broncos players .

if we bought all the tickets up and never went something tells me they would lose a lot of money and look really stooped standing around looking were is the crowd ?

Steve Atwater and TD on any other team would be in already !!!

BroncoBuff
01-31-2009, 10:17 AM
Sharpe is a lock.

72 minutes and counting .....

crawdad
01-31-2009, 10:21 AM
Sharpe is a lock.

72 minutes and counting .....

I believe..I believe... I am with you Buff and I sure hope you're right!

BroncoBuff
01-31-2009, 10:23 AM
It is debatable. Sharpe was more mobile and fluid. And, again, he blocked for a 2,000 yard rusher. Not only that but Sharpe played on teams with Rod Smith and Eddie Mac. Gonzo was all KC had in the passing game so that helped his receiving stats.

I don't agree that the 2,000 yard rusher is that important for Sharpe, Priest and LJ have had great seasons ... but you are right on the money that he played with two Pro-Bowl WRs. TG was the #1 priority in the chefs passing games for a decade .... Sharpe was never really #1.

PLUS ... three Lombardis, including an amazing playoff run with the Ravens, including what I think still stands as the longest TD reception in playoffs history at 94 or 96 yards.

BroncoBuff
01-31-2009, 10:24 AM
One more thing .... didn't Bob say that "Sharpe CANNOT get in before Derrick Thomas"?

Of course, he'll forgeet he ever said that now .....

Man-Goblin
01-31-2009, 11:28 AM
Sirius NFL radio just reported Sharpe didn't get in.

Man-Goblin
01-31-2009, 11:30 AM
The list of the 5 modern candidates in are (so they say)

Randall McDaniel
Derrick Thomas
Ralph Wilson
Rod Woodson
Bruce Smith.

****ing horse****.

Sharpe did make the final 10.

Inkana7
01-31-2009, 11:30 AM
****

rovolution
01-31-2009, 11:31 AM
it will be even harder next year.

Jerry Rice and Emmitt Smith on deck and im sure they will be pushing Cris Carter hard.

Man-Goblin
01-31-2009, 11:32 AM
it will be even harder next year.

Jerry Rice and Emmitt Smith on deck and im sure they will be pushing Cris Carter hard.

Carter made the final 10 this year as well.

This is just unbelievable to me. **** the HOF.

SouthStndJunkie
01-31-2009, 11:34 AM
No Shannon Sharpe....I guess that will save me the money of making a trip to Canton this year.

SouthStndJunkie
01-31-2009, 11:34 AM
One more thing .... didn't Bob say that "Sharpe CANNOT get in before Derrick Thomas"?

Of course, he'll forgeet he ever said that now .....

Now he will never let you forget it.

HooptyHoops
01-31-2009, 02:47 PM
This sucks...I thought Sharp was a 1st year lock for the HOF...I guess I was stupid and expected it...I've been a Bronco all my life, so it's not like I'm used to it...

broncocalijohn
01-31-2009, 03:20 PM
No Shannon Sharpe....I guess that will save me the money of making a trip to Canton this year.

I was thinking the same. Times are tough right now so for selfish reason, I will just think he goes in next year. He dominated at his position. He deserves it and not sure what the reason for voters to hold off. I just hope it doesnt drag on so we have to make our annual "We are Broncos so they need to screw us at Canton talk.

lex
01-31-2009, 04:54 PM
I don't agree that the 2,000 yard rusher is that important for Sharpe, Priest and LJ have had great seasons ... but you are right on the money that he played with two Pro-Bowl WRs. TG was the #1 priority in the chefs passing games for a decade .... Sharpe was never really #1.

PLUS ... three Lombardis, including an amazing playoff run with the Ravens, including what I think still stands as the longest TD reception in playoffs history at 94 or 96 yards.

I realize they put more emphasis on receiving stats but the fact that he has blocked for a 2,000 yard rusher means that its hard for anyone to say he was a poor blocker.

gunns
01-31-2009, 05:12 PM
I was thinking the same. Times are tough right now so for selfish reason, I will just think he goes in next year. He dominated at his position. He deserves it and not sure what the reason for voters to hold off. I just hope it doesnt drag on so we have to make our annual "We are Broncos so they need to screw us at Canton talk.

I don't know that the HOF will ever truly recognize the Broncos in the way they should. The Broncos played as a team and the media wants a standout. I can live with that because team play is far more important to me than individual stand outs. It will probably take Rod Smith multiple tries to get in although he had very similar stats to Michael Irvins, and he was as instrumental to the success of the Broncos as Irvins was to the Cowboys. But he wasn't a media ho. He was a team player. Damn you Rod!

Dukes
01-31-2009, 06:05 PM
He's a Bronco, I'm not surprised.

BroncoBuff
01-31-2009, 06:49 PM
Scandal. If he were from an old NFC team, they would've waived the 5-year wait requirement.

Hogan11
01-31-2009, 07:07 PM
Scandal. If he were from an old NFC team, they would've waived the 5-year wait requirement.

If he publically stated he would go in as a Raven, he'd been selected this time around.

sharpedressedfan
01-31-2009, 07:37 PM
The media cannot stand Sterling Sharpe. That effect may have carried over to Shannon's snubbing. Shannon said that, if he got in - that Sterling would introduce him...therefore reminding the media of the existence of Sterling Sharpe.

Hmmm.

sharpedressedfan
01-31-2009, 07:39 PM
P.S. - can anyone "YouTube" the whole episode where Shannon pwned Derrick Thomas? That would make me feel a little better about Shannon not getting in.

epicSocialism4tw
01-31-2009, 08:01 PM
The list of the 5 modern candidates in are (so they say)

Randall McDaniel
Derrick Thomas
Ralph Wilson
Rod Woodson
Bruce Smith.

****ing horse****.

Sharpe did make the final 10.

Unbelievable.

Sharpe got beat out by a safety, a Cowboys receiver that shouldnt be in, a sentimental pick (Derrick Thomas), and an old guy.

La Caspa Del Diablo
01-31-2009, 08:31 PM
Unbelievable.

Sharpe got beat out by a safety, a Cowboys receiver that shouldnt be in, a sentimental pick (Derrick Thomas), and an old guy.

No Hall of Fame tight end was a first ballot Hall of Famer. Ozzie Newsome waited 4 years. Kellen Winslow waited 3 years. Mike Ditka waited 11 years. Jackie Smith waited 11 years. John Mackey waited 15 years. Dave Casper waited 14 years.

Mushmouth
01-31-2009, 08:33 PM
Whoba sayba whatba?

KCStud
01-31-2009, 08:45 PM
Not very often that a player, no less a TE, gets in the HOF first ballot. The odds were against Sharpe's favor in the first place. It was DT and Bruce Matthews turn. Sharpe will get in, but he has to wait his turn first

theAPAOps5
01-31-2009, 08:46 PM
Not very often that a player, no less a TE, gets in the HOF first ballot. The odds were against Sharpe's favor in the first place. It was DT and Bruce Matthews turn. Sharpe will get in, but he has to wait his turn first

I actually agree with you. Some might be upset but its not like this was Shannon Sharpe's last chance to get in. I think 1st ballot HOF's should go to a select few and Sharpe was borderline. But like you said he will get in.

La Caspa Del Diablo
01-31-2009, 08:47 PM
Not very often that a player, no less a TE, gets in the HOF first ballot. The odds were against Sharpe's favor in the first place. It was DT and Bruce Matthews turn. Sharpe will get in, but he has to wait his turn first

Bruce Matthews got inducted two years ago, ****head.

KCStud
01-31-2009, 08:54 PM
Bruce Matthews got inducted two years ago, ****head.

Bruce Smith. Don't get your panties in a wad LOL

La Caspa Del Diablo
01-31-2009, 09:01 PM
Bruce Smith. Don't get your panties in a wad LOL

How does one confuse Smith with Matthews? One played defense, the other was on offense. One was black, the other was white.

Mushmouth
01-31-2009, 09:22 PM
How does one confuse Smith with Matthews? One played defense, the other was on offense. One was black, the other was white.

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02-01-2009, 08:42 AM
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02-01-2009, 08:48 AM
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02-01-2009, 10:33 AM
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ScotchTanShan
02-01-2009, 11:55 AM
No Hall of Fame tight end was a first ballot Hall of Famer. Ozzie Newsome waited 4 years. Kellen Winslow waited 3 years. Mike Ditka waited 11 years. Jackie Smith waited 11 years. John Mackey waited 15 years. Dave Casper waited 14 years.

THIS.

He'll get in, but like its been
pointed out before, TE's just don't
get that sort of priority. Shannon's
personality probably hurt him a bit
with a few voters. I don't think
pimping for himself on the radio was
a good idea, but look at the list of
guys that made it. Tough to say any
of them aren't at least as deserving
to get the nod. TG may get in on the
first ballot in part because the
perception is he was the beginning
of the modern era more athletic TE
that was a true combo of large body
blocker with speed and hands as a
real receiving weapon. Though his
postseason draught may be enough to
kill getting in on his first try by
the older guys. Seems like there are
2 different camps of opinion between
the older and younger guys- watching
Tom Jackson and Chris Carter debate
Kurt Warner's HOF chances this morning
was a perfect illustration of this
change in old school vs. new school

Bronx33
02-01-2009, 12:02 PM
THIS.

He'll get in, but like its been
pointed out before, TE's just don't
get that sort of priority. Shannon's
personality probably hurt him a bit
with a few voters. I don't think
pimping for himself on the radio was
a good idea, but look at the list of
guys that made it. Tough to say any
of them aren't at least as deserving
to get the nod. TG may get in on the
first ballot in part because the
perception is he was the beginning
of the modern era more athletic TE
that was a true combo of large body
blocker with speed and hands as a
real receiving weapon. Though his
postseason draught may be enough to
kill getting in on his first try by
the older guys. Seems like there are
2 different camps of opinion between
the older and younger guys- watching
Tom Jackson and Chris Carter debate
Kurt Warner's HOF chances this morning
was a perfect illustration of this
change in old school vs. new school



And that's what's wrong with the current system, you don't get in on your hard work and merits alone the voters have to actually have to like you liking a players personally shold have zero to do with what he has done on the field.

Spider
02-01-2009, 12:10 PM
it is what it is .......Until Ditka came along the T.E. was just an extra lineman , now by most the position is viewed as a glorified Tackle ..... Even full backs get more love then a Tight End ........ as for personality Sharpe was no where near as loud or as obnoxious as Lawrence Taylor .........

elsid13
02-01-2009, 12:15 PM
it is what it is .......Until Ditka came along the T.E. was just an extra lineman , now by most the position is viewed as a glorified Tackle ..... Even full backs get more love then a Tight End ........ as for personality Sharpe was no where near as loud or as obnoxious as Lawrence Taylor .........

But LT was willing to send hookers and blow to all the voters....

Spider
02-01-2009, 12:21 PM
But LT was willing to send hookers and blow to all the voters....

;D well Sharpe does have a pretty good paying job .....

Old Dude
02-02-2009, 09:09 AM
How many super bowl championship rings do Woodson, Thomas, Smith, Hayes, Wilson, McDaniel and Thomas have between them? I believe the answer is (2) (one for Hayes and one for Woodson.)