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montrose
01-29-2009, 08:21 AM
Williams will be "a big part" of 2009 defense
The Denver Post
Posted: 01/29/2009 12:30:00 AM MST

If it's the Broncos' offseason, it must be time to wonder which linebacker position D.J. Williams is about to play.

"We're going to try and put every player in the best position that allows us to be as successful as we can," said Broncos coach Josh McDaniels. "Whatever combination that winds up being, obviously D.J. will be a big part in that. And we'll look forward to getting him out there and putting him in position to where he can be a really good football player."

Williams first has to get healthy. He recently underwent shoulder surgery to repair a torn rotator cuff. He has begun light rehabilitation, although his arm will remain in a sling during his downtime.

At linebacker, Williams has played the weak side, strong side, middle and weak side again in the past five seasons. If the Broncos move to a 3-4 defense for the 2009 season, he could be considered for an inside linebacker position.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11577284

Kaylore
01-29-2009, 08:22 AM
I wonder how much tape they've looked at. If they've already broken down the season, this is good news. If not, this is smoke up the kilt.

TheReverend
01-29-2009, 08:31 AM
I wonder how much tape they've looked at. If they've already broken down the season, this is good news. If not, this is smoke up the kilt.

Well, they're still not giving many hints on 4-3 vs 3-4. I reallllllllllllly think they'll put him at an OLB spot in either system, but I also think they're staying in a 4-3 for the season.

Regardless, it'd be great if they can put him in a position to be a good football player like he says.

socalorado
01-29-2009, 08:34 AM
Well, they're still not giving many hints on 4-3 vs 3-4. I reallllllllllllly think they'll put him at an OLB spot in either system, but I also think they're staying in a 4-3 for the season.

Regardless, it'd be great if they can put him in a position to be a good football player like he says.

He is a good football player. As long as he plays outside.

TheReverend
01-29-2009, 08:38 AM
He is a good football player. As long as he plays outside.

Maybe they can coach it out of him? ???

Who knows, all I know is I fall for the annual off-season DJ hype EVERY year, and I'm totally not doing it this year. I may NEED to make this my sig to remind myself.

Great defensive minds see his measurables, salivate, and then blooper music. Jim Bates you poor bastard.

The Joker
01-29-2009, 08:40 AM
Well, they're still not giving many hints on 4-3 vs 3-4. I reallllllllllllly think they'll put him at an OLB spot in either system, but I also think they're staying in a 4-3 for the season.

Regardless, it'd be great if they can put him in a position to be a good football player like he says.

In a 3-4 he's got to play as the Weakside ILB surely? Pair him alongside a bulldozer type MIKE (I think we'll end up drafting Rey Rey, but if not I think Larsen may be well suited to that spot anyway) who can sift through blockers and be the primary run stuffer and he'll do well.

OLB in a 3-4 need to be much better at blitzing from the edge than DJ is. The WILB on the other hand needs to be able to play well in space, be good in zone coverage and occasionally blitz up the middle. These are things DJ is good at, and I think he's a lock for that spot if we go 3-4.

If we stay 4-3 he stays at WILB.

HooptyHoops
01-29-2009, 08:41 AM
DJ is a great player if you put him in the right position...if in a wrong position he looks very average. We'll see what they come up with, as I am starting to have a lot of confidence in this coaching staff.

socalorado
01-29-2009, 08:41 AM
Maybe they can coach it out of him? ???

Who knows, all I know is I fall for the annual off-season DJ hype EVERY year, and I'm totally not doing it this year. I may NEED to make this my sig to remind myself.

Great defensive minds see his measurables, salivate, and then blooper music. Jim Bates you poor bastard.

Nolans a smart coach. He wont try to fit a square block into a round hole.

gyldenlove
01-29-2009, 08:42 AM
McDaniels said he would stay home from the super bowl to watch tape with the other coaches. I think they are well into that process, so I don't think this is just empty talk.

vancejohnson82
01-29-2009, 08:47 AM
i cant do another off-season where the DJ Williams Hype Machine takes over my mindset....

TheReverend
01-29-2009, 08:49 AM
Nolans a smart coach. He wont try to fit a square block into a round hole.

So was Jim Bates.

My superstitious side is hoping that if I don't buy into the DJ hype, it'll do a reverse whammy and he can finally hit that extremely high level his measurables, skill set, and Al Wilson say he can.

montrose
01-29-2009, 08:49 AM
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2009/jan/28/mcdaniels-vows-flexibility-to-make-broncos-best/

I'm beginning to agree with Rev that I think we'll be staying in the 4-3 for the most part this season. Nolan's system is pretty similar to it and I think it'd be hard to purge all of the personnel in just one offseason. I do think we could see elements of the 3-4 come into play as they did last year (just hopefully less sucky with a better DL). However, McDaniels keeps making reference to adapting his system to best fit his players - something he was known for in NE. I think at this point it might be in his best interest to stick with a 4-3, at least on running downs. But doing so while still acquiring 3-4 type, larger, DEs. Then on passing downs we could see some type of hybrid with Dumervil and/or Moss at the OLB spots along with DJ and/or Woodyard inside. Obviously I'm not sure what the personnel would be but considering Nolan's history in both alignments - and the fact his 3-4 in Baltimore was similar to a 4-3 anyhow - it might make for a more natural transition over the year.

Either way, this article does confirm a bit of what I've heard that McDaniels broke down tape of our players (prior to his interview which is one reason that he "blew away" the Broncos) and that he was very excited about DJ. With that, I've also heard he was excited about Woodyard and Larsen, so it will be interesting to see what happens.

TheReverend
01-29-2009, 08:52 AM
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2009/jan/28/mcdaniels-vows-flexibility-to-make-broncos-best/

I'm beginning to agree with Rev that I think we'll be staying in the 4-3 for the most part this season. Nolan's system is pretty similar to it and I think it'd be hard to purge all of the personnel in just one offseason. I do think we could see elements of the 3-4 come into play as they did last year (just hopefully less sucky with a better DL). However, McDaniels keeps making reference to adapting his system to best fit his players - something he was known for in NE. I think at this point it might be in his best interest to stick with a 4-3, at least on running downs. But doing so while still acquiring 3-4 type, larger, DEs. Then on passing downs we could see some type of hybrid with Dumervil and/or Moss at the OLB spots along with DJ and/or Woodyard inside. Obviously I'm not sure what the personnel would be but considering Nolan's history in both alignments - and the fact his 3-4 in Baltimore was similar to a 4-3 anyhow - it might make for a more natural transition over the year.

I'd just expect this year's Sam to suspisciously look more like a defensive end than a linebacker... :)

socalorado
01-29-2009, 09:00 AM
McDaniels vows flexibility to make Broncos best they can be
<HR style="COLOR: #d1d1e1; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #d1d1e1" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->McDaniels vows flexibility to make Broncos best they can be

Three weeks into his new job with plenty of meetings already in the rearview mirror, Broncos coach Josh McDaniels was ready to say Wednesday the Broncos will indeed use a 3-4 look on defense to repair some of the team's ills.

And a 4-3 . . . or anything else that might help the team emerge from a string of three consecutive seasons of being on the outside looking in at the playoffs.

"We're going to be versatile, and what does that mean? I don't know yet," McDaniels said. "That depends on a lot of factors. Our people, the people we're playing against, things that we don't have all the answers to yet. . . .

"Our answer in New England was always it's whatever is going to give us the best chance to win every week that's what we're going to do. It takes some time to get that certain point, we obviously can't start there, but we want to try to build a team that's flexible, versatile and can do a lot of things."

And that could include a 3-4 defense - three linemen, four linebackers - as well as plenty of other alignments in what he hopes eventually will be a robust, multifaceted playbook on both sides of the ball.

But with getting those answers in mind and his coaching staff in place at the Broncos' Dove Valley complex, McDaniels said he and the assistants have met extensively in recent days evaluating the current roster and getting the coaches up to speed.

"I had some familiarity with some of the men we now have here," McDaniels said. "But we're evaluating a lot of things and teaching a lot of things. (The) coaches come from a lot of different systems and backgrounds, all of them good teachers, not all of them familiar with the systems and the terms we're going to use. . . .

"(The) evaluation of the current roster is very important. What you need, what you don't need, what systems you're going to use, what you can do with certain guys. Ultimately, it will come together."

With the players still off and many scattered around the country at offseason homes or on vacation, McDaniels said the upcoming schedule might keep him from meeting with the entire team in a formal setting until early- to mid-March.

McDaniels said he has met with in person or talked by phone with virtually every player on the roster but the first team meeting wouldn't come until after the scouting combine, which begins Feb. 18 in Indianapolis.

Quarterback Jay Cutler, receiver Brandon Marshall and center Casey Wiegmann will travel to the Pro Bowl next week.

"So February is kind of a busy time . . . and I certainly don't want to have a team meeting and not have the team there," McDaniels said with a laugh.

McDaniels will not be at Super Bowl XLIII.

"I don't really have any desire to go unless we are playing," McDaniels said. "I hope to go back with the Broncos."

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...-broncos-best/ (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2009/jan/28/mcdaniels-vows-flexibility-to-make-broncos-best/)

montrose
01-29-2009, 09:05 AM
I'd just expect this year's Sam to suspisciously look more like a defensive end than a linebacker... :)

Who do you see playing that spot? Someone on the roster like Moss or Crowder or a new guy brought in?

Inkana7
01-29-2009, 09:09 AM
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2009/jan/28/mcdaniels-vows-flexibility-to-make-broncos-best/

I'm beginning to agree with Rev that I think we'll be staying in the 4-3 for the most part this season. Nolan's system is pretty similar to it and I think it'd be hard to purge all of the personnel in just one offseason. I do think we could see elements of the 3-4 come into play as they did last year (just hopefully less sucky with a better DL). However, McDaniels keeps making reference to adapting his system to best fit his players - something he was known for in NE. I think at this point it might be in his best interest to stick with a 4-3, at least on running downs. But doing so while still acquiring 3-4 type, larger, DEs. Then on passing downs we could see some type of hybrid with Dumervil and/or Moss at the OLB spots along with DJ and/or Woodyard inside. Obviously I'm not sure what the personnel would be but considering Nolan's history in both alignments - and the fact his 3-4 in Baltimore was similar to a 4-3 anyhow - it might make for a more natural transition over the year.

Either way, this article does confirm a bit of what I've heard that McDaniels broke down tape of our players (prior to his interview which is one reason that he "blew away" the Broncos) and that he was very excited about DJ. With that, I've also heard he was excited about Woodyard and Larsen, so it will be interesting to see what happens.

What do you mean you've heard he's excited about Woodyard and Larsen?

MagicHef
01-29-2009, 09:10 AM
I'd just expect this year's Sam to suspisciously look more like a defensive end than a linebacker... :)

Who do you see playing that spot? Someone on the roster like Moss or Crowder or a new guy brought in?

I wouldn't mind:

http://i42.tinypic.com/dmv1u8.jpg

montrose
01-29-2009, 09:14 AM
What do you mean you've heard he's excited about Woodyard and Larsen?

I made this reference in another thread. I have three sources from the media (nothing too big and a few people here on the Mane know who they are) that feed me nuggets now and then. Nothing major but they're almost always right. Generally they tell me something and it's in the paper within a day or so - so it's not like I'm getting huge exclusive news or anything.

Anyhow, two of them told me McDaniels and his staff we're excited about DJ and Woodyard. The other mentioned those two and Larsen as well. So that's what I was referring to.

vancejohnson82
01-29-2009, 09:14 AM
I wouldn't mind:

http://i42.tinypic.com/dmv1u8.jpg

who is that?? Yarborough??

bronco militia
01-29-2009, 09:17 AM
DJ is a great player if you put him in the right position...if in a wrong position he looks very average. .


IMO, that means he's an above average player.

great players can play anywhere

vancejohnson82
01-29-2009, 09:18 AM
it sucks that we've been moving him around so much....its really starting to take a toll on him

MagicHef
01-29-2009, 09:19 AM
who is that?? Yarborough??

Everette Brown

ludo21
01-29-2009, 09:20 AM
Everette Brown would be a great pick!!

Pair him with WWIII, Larson, and DJ and we got a solid foursome. (rotation with others as well)

vancejohnson82
01-29-2009, 09:20 AM
oh, thats who i meant...i think yarborough is the white guy

i wouldnt mind that pick

theAPAOps5
01-29-2009, 09:22 AM
Everette Brown

I have no clue why but everytime I read about him I think of Doc Brown from Back to the Future. Not sure why though.

Inkana7
01-29-2009, 09:23 AM
I made this reference in another thread. I have three sources from the media (nothing too big and a few people here on the Mane know who they are) that feed me nuggets now and then. Nothing major but they're almost always right. Generally they tell me something and it's in the paper within a day or so - so it's not like I'm getting huge exclusive news or anything.

Anyhow, two of them told me McDaniels and his staff we're excited about DJ and Woodyard. The other mentioned those two and Larsen as well. So that's what I was referring to.

Sweet, thanks!

Inkana7
01-29-2009, 09:25 AM
I have no clue why but everytime I read about him I think of Doc Brown from Back to the Future. Not sure why though.

http://www.greatscottpcservices.com/doc_brown.jpg/doc_brown-full.jpg
1.21 Gigawatts!!!!

MagicHef
01-29-2009, 09:26 AM
I have no clue why but everytime I read about him I think of Doc Brown from Back to the Future. Not sure why though.

Doc Brown is Emmett Brown. It would be pretty good to know the other team's game plan before every game, but I think he's a little old.

Man-Goblin
01-29-2009, 09:31 AM
I wouldn't mind:

http://i42.tinypic.com/dmv1u8.jpg

Cody Hawkins is a junior and not coming out this year.

MagicHef
01-29-2009, 09:33 AM
Cody Hawkins is a junior and not coming out this year.

Yeah, he's probably too small for a SAM at 5'11" 190, but I can dream.

TheReverend
01-29-2009, 09:35 AM
Who do you see playing that spot? Someone on the roster like Moss or Crowder or a new guy brought in?

Not Crowder. Too big, and frankly, probably too unathletic. I'd expect Moss and Dumervil to get looks if we don't draft a genuine stud there, along with my favorite prediction... DJ Williams :)

Considering they seem to be following the same blueprint that I said I would do and there-by thought THEY would do, I would guess a front seven alignment like this:

DE: Elvis/Moss
DT: Thomas on a weakside 3 tech
NT: Incoming?
DE: Incoming?/Crowder or Ekuban or Peterson
WLB: DJ/WWIII
MLB: Hope it's Rey
SLB: Elvis/Moss/DJ/Incoming

What's important here is to understand the 3-4 and it's root to the old school 52. Considering the two are one and the same, only with the DE's being termed OLBs now and a couple yards off the line and generally standing up.

From the previous formation, you've got a LOT of flexibility to take our sam, walk him up to the line on the strong side, have our weak side DE stand up, maybe take a step back, Thomas shifts from the 3 to the 5, our big DE slides from 7 to 5 and TADA! You've got a 52 or a 3-4...

All we need is our retarded ****ing defensive players to be able to understand some situational awareness, and a grow a modicum of flexibility... but really WAY less than one would think.

theAPAOps5
01-29-2009, 09:41 AM
Doc Brown is Emmett Brown. It would be pretty good to know the other team's game plan before every game, but I think he's a little old.

I know thats why I said it makes no sense Hilarious!

socalorado
01-29-2009, 09:42 AM
Not Crowder. Too big, and frankly, probably too unathletic. I'd expect Moss and Dumervil to get looks if we don't draft a genuine stud there, along with my favorite prediction... DJ Williams :)

Considering they seem to be following the same blueprint that I said I would do and there-by thought THEY would do, I would guess a front seven alignment like this:

DE: Elvis/Moss
DT: Thomas on a weakside 3 tech
NT: Incoming?
DE: Incoming?/Crowder or Ekuban or Peterson
WLB: DJ/WWIII
MLB: Hope it's Rey
SLB: Elvis/Moss/DJ/Incoming

What's important here is to understand the 3-4 and it's root to the old school 52. Considering the two are one and the same, only with the DE's being termed OLBs now and a couple yards off the line and generally standing up.

From the previous formation, you've got a LOT of flexibility to take our sam, walk him up to the line on the strong side, have our weak side DE stand up, maybe take a step back, Thomas shifts from the 3 to the 5, our big DE slides from 7 to 5 and TADA! You've got a 52 or a 3-4...

All we need is our retarded ****ing defensive players to be able to understand some situational awareness, and a grow a modicum of flexibility... but really WAY less than one would think.

Oh thats horrid. And you even left off Boss!

Florida_Bronco
01-29-2009, 09:51 AM
great players can play anywhere

Not true man.

TheReverend
01-29-2009, 09:54 AM
Oh thats horrid. And you even left off Boss!

****in right I did.

montrose
01-29-2009, 09:56 AM
****in right I did.

LOL. I actually thought Boss was average when he was on the field. And on that defense, average was like gold!

TheReverend
01-29-2009, 09:59 AM
LOL. I actually thought Boss was average when he was on the field. And on that defense, average was like gold!

I think he's a good player, actually. I just think DJ's better (believe it or not), and our little gem UDFA too.

montrose
01-29-2009, 10:07 AM
I think he's a good player, actually. I just think DJ's better (believe it or not), and our little gem UDFA too.

I agree. Funny thing is, with a better front three - I would've half-way liked our 3-4 alignment we used last year of Boss, Webster, DJ and Winborn subbing out Winborn and Webster for Woodyard and Larsen.

Inkana7
01-29-2009, 10:09 AM
Winborn was 10x the player Boss was. For some reason people hate him because he celebrated after every play. Annoying yes, but it doesn't take away the fact that he's a good player.

Br0nc0Buster
01-29-2009, 10:18 AM
I am glad to hear that the coaches may be excited about Larson and WW.
Larson might be able to be our strong side Mike, he has the size doesnt he?

I am not sure about WW though, I dont really like him at safety and I know the Patriots like BIG linebackers, so we will just have to see with him I guess.

Kaylore
01-29-2009, 10:19 AM
All we need is our retarded ****ing defensive players to be able to understand some situational awareness

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/82797561.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193F1A54CE2C4AF7C23316337E6718FDC61 5A5397277B4DC33E

skpac1001
01-29-2009, 10:25 AM
Not Crowder. Too big, and frankly, probably too unathletic. I'd expect Moss and Dumervil to get looks if we don't draft a genuine stud there, along with my favorite prediction... DJ Williams :)


Moss? I already counted him out from your previous hint.

I'd just expect this year's Sam to suspisciously look more like a defensive end than a linebacker... :)

montrose
01-29-2009, 10:26 AM
Winborn was 10x the player Boss was. For some reason people hate him because he celebrated after every play. Annoying yes, but it doesn't take away the fact that he's a good player.

Ink, it wasn't just that. For every great play he made he'd completely blow his assignment and give up a bigger one. He's very good as a reserve LB who can do stuff on special teams but you leave him out there long enough on defense and the mistakes (mostly mental) come. Some in the form of stupid penalties like grabbing Matt Cassel's facemask for no reason and a throw away on 3rd and 18, and others like completely shooting the wrong gap over over penetrating on runs like he did on Larry Johnson 's long run. Jamie's one of the stupidest (in terms of Football IQ) LB's I've ever seen. That's why Nolan ran him out of town in SF and I imagine he'll be gone again.

Kaylore
01-29-2009, 10:32 AM
Ink, it wasn't just that. For every great play he made he'd completely blow his assignment and give up a bigger one. He's very good as a reserve LB who can do stuff on special teams but you leave him out there long enough on defense and the mistakes (mostly mental) come. Some in the form of stupid penalties like grabbing Matt Cassel's facemask for no reason and a throw away on 3rd and 18, and others like completely shooting the wrong gap over over penetrating on runs like he did on Larry Johnson 's long run. Jamie's one of the stupidest (in terms of Football IQ) LB's I've ever seen. That's why Nolan ran him out of town in SF and I imagine he'll be gone again.
:thanku:

cmhargrove
01-29-2009, 10:42 AM
It's good to hear they are thoroughly evaluating the talent, we might actually fix something around here.

I'm excited to see what DJ could do with a decent D-line and some more aggressive coaching. Dj has never been a weak point of the team, he could look really good if we get the D-line going.

HooptyHoops
01-29-2009, 10:48 AM
IMO, that means he's an above average player.

great players can play anywhere

I can agree with you there!!

~Crash~
01-29-2009, 10:54 AM
It's good to hear they are thoroughly evaluating the talent, we might actually fix something around here.

I'm excited to see what DJ could do with a decent D-line and some more aggressive coaching. Dj has never been a weak point of the team, he could look really good if we get the D-line going.


never ? at MLB'er I would say I have never ever seen such a mess ....Carry on....:sunshine:

theAPAOps5
01-29-2009, 10:56 AM
Winborn was 10x the player Boss was. For some reason people hate him because he celebrated after every play. Annoying yes, but it doesn't take away the fact that he's a good player.

No actually he is a horrid player. Nolan got rid of him once its going to happen again. Its because he isn't smart and blew plays all over the field. He lived by the Fake it til you Make it Creded. He just never made it.

Kaylore
01-29-2009, 10:59 AM
I'm stoked for Larsen! No more of that crappy fullback idea. BRING THE PAIN!

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/00ob6cv8YGe3s/610x.jpg

montrose
01-29-2009, 11:02 AM
I'm stoked for Larsen! No more of that crappy fullback idea. BRING THE PAIN!

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/00ob6cv8YGe3s/610x.jpg

If we do eventually make the move to the 3-4, I think Larsen has the makeup of a solid 3-4 SILB. If we stay in the 4-3 this year, and Raji falls to us at #12 - I have no issue at all with Larsen being our starting MLB this season and coming of the field in nickel situations.

Mogulseeker
01-29-2009, 11:04 AM
I've been more of a reader than a poster these last couple of years, but I have to speculate here...

I hope we run the 3-4. I've always preferred it.

What is the speculation of putting Moss and/or Elvis at OLB?

If Moss goes to OLB… could we keep Elvis ate RDE?

Lets forget about the draft for a second… what about this, for speculation:

RDE – Elvis
NT – Thomas/newcomer
LDE – Ekuban/newcomer

WLB – D.J.
MLB - Woodyard
MLB – Boss
SLB – Moss

First off, would this setup work (not, ‘will it be good’ but rather, ‘would this be feasible in terms of having the best player at each position).

I haven’t been able to follow the Broncos the last couple of years, but I’m getting out of the military and coming home this year, and hopefully I’ll be able to reclaim my season tickets. I’m just wondering what McDaniels will bring to the table.

montrose
01-29-2009, 11:08 AM
RDE – Elvis
NT – Thomas/newcomer
LDE – Ekuban/newcomer

WLB – D.J.
MLB - Woodyard
MLB – Boss
SLB – Moss

First off, would this setup work (not, ‘will it be good’ but rather, ‘would this be feasible in terms of having the best player at each position).

No it wouldn't. In the 3-4 you need a dominant NT along with very stout DE's. Thomas isn't a natural 3-4 NT, probably more of a 3-4 DE. Dumervil would be eaten for lunch as a 3-4 DE and Ekuban's a 4-3 DE who is a FA so there's no reason to resign him and try him somewhere he's not a good fit. At your LB spots, DJ isn't a pass rusher which is what you need from your WOLB in the 3-4. Woodyard and Boss aren't ILB's due to size and skill sets. Moss could potentially be an OLB along with Dumervil, but we have no idea how they'd play in space.

Welcome home solider, thanks for all you do to protect us.

Mogulseeker
01-29-2009, 11:16 AM
I forgot about Larsen....

Thanks for the response, montrose... IF we did switch to the 3-4, what would the role of Moss/Dumervil be?

BroncoBuff
01-29-2009, 11:19 AM
I wonder how much tape they've looked at. If they've already broken down the season, this is good news. If not, this is smoke up the kilt.

I'm sure he's been watching tons of tape the past three weeks, but he could save a lotta time by just accessing the many threads and polls Popps has started here about DJ since the season ended. The people have spoken, you know.

MagicHef
01-29-2009, 11:23 AM
I forgot about Larsen....

Thanks for the response, montrose... IF we did switch to the 3-4, what would the role of Moss/Dumervil be?

OLB

montrose
01-29-2009, 11:25 AM
I forgot about Larsen....

Thanks for the response, montrose... IF we did switch to the 3-4, what would the role of Moss/Dumervil be?

They'd have to be OLB's. I'm not sure how they'd fit there, but that'd be their logical fit. Problem is we don't know how either would play in space or pass coverage, and Dumervil is a liability against the run.

BroncoBuff
01-29-2009, 11:27 AM
Thomas isn't a natural 3-4 NT, probably more of a 3-4 DE. Dumervil would be eaten for lunch as a 3-4 DE and Ekuban's a 4-3 DE who is a FA so there's no reason to resign him and try him somewhere he's not a good fit.

I agree Marcus Thomas will be a good 3-4 DE, but I disagree with you on Ekuban. Ekuban has been moving inside to the DT spot on most passing downs anyway these past two seasons - his size and skills set is perfect for 3-4 DE imo, he'll be our best one.

Same with Kenny Peterson ... one of my favorite guys anyway, he's played both DE and DT here, and is a pretty quick and talented penetrator, even at 300 pounds. I think he'll be a very good rotational 3-4 DE. Plus, he played on the same high school team as McDaniels of course.

TheReverend
01-29-2009, 11:31 AM
A couple hundred years ago, I certainly would've been a federalist...

Kaylore
01-29-2009, 11:36 AM
A couple hundred years ago, I certainly would've been a federalist...

<img src="http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=15709&stc=1&d=1147936819">

Taco John
01-29-2009, 11:54 AM
left field:

http://z.about.com/d/pittsburgh/1/0/a/h/field_left.jpg

theAPAOps5
01-29-2009, 11:55 AM
A couple hundred years ago, I certainly would've been a federalist...

What are we just saying random stuff now.


In 1986 I certainly would've been an 2nd grader.


There thats my contribution.

TheReverend
01-29-2009, 12:03 PM
Maybe some US History buffs will get it :)

montrose
01-29-2009, 12:12 PM
I disagree with you on Ekuban. Ekuban has been moving inside to the DT spot on most passing downs anyway these past two seasons - his size and skills set is perfect for 3-4 DE imo, he'll be our best one.

Same with Kenny Peterson ... one of my favorite guys anyway, he's played both DE and DT here, and is a pretty quick and talented penetrator, even at 300 pounds. I think he'll be a very good rotational 3-4 DE. Plus, he played on the same high school team as McDaniels of course.

I agree in part, and if those guys were both under contract I'd be all for it. But since they're free agents, I think our money could be more wisely spent on guys who are experienced in the 3-4 with some of these coaches like Mike Wright, Dwan Edwards and Ronald Fields. This of course assuming we go 3-4 next year which is far from a certainty at this point.

theAPAOps5
01-29-2009, 12:18 PM
Maybe some US History buffs will get it :)

Oh so you would have been an elitest who doesn't trust the "public" and believes in a strong national government and limited state government. :wiggle:

TheReverend
01-29-2009, 12:23 PM
Oh so you would have been an elitest who doesn't trust the "public" and believes in a strong national government and limited state government. :wiggle:

Well thats a rude assumption of you to make. If you don't have something nice to say, Apa, don't say it all. :wiggle:

socalorado
01-29-2009, 12:26 PM
Well thats a rude assumption of you to make. If you don't have something nice to say, Apa, don't say it all. :wiggle:

YEAH! And BTW, :thumbsup: 86':thumbsup: was a great year!

theAPAOps5
01-29-2009, 12:28 PM
Well thats a rude assumption of you to make. If you don't have something nice to say, Apa, don't say it all. :wiggle:

Who said I meant it in a rude way......

cmhargrove
01-29-2009, 03:38 PM
never ? at MLB'er I would say I have never ever seen such a mess ....Carry on....:sunshine:

You can beat that dead horse all you want. It's your opinion, versus facts. DJ finished second in the league in tackles. That would mean he wasn't the weakness of the team.

I agree, DJ is no Al, but he hasn't been the weakness on our defense (except when we brought him in injured to finish this last season). I felt he was still a little injured, and didn't finish this season very well.

elsid13
01-29-2009, 06:06 PM
I made this reference in another thread. I have three sources from the media (nothing too big and a few people here on the Mane know who they are) that feed me nuggets now and then. Nothing major but they're almost always right. Generally they tell me something and it's in the paper within a day or so - so it's not like I'm getting huge exclusive news or anything.

Anyhow, two of them told me McDaniels and his staff we're excited about DJ and Woodyard. The other mentioned those two and Larsen as well. So that's what I was referring to.

Thanks nugget. Was Larson mention in ST context or LB context?

Drek
01-30-2009, 03:59 AM
I wonder how much tape they've looked at. If they've already broken down the season, this is good news. If not, this is smoke up the kilt.

I heard somewhere (NFL on Sirius? I listen to it a damn lot so probably) that when Broncos scouts at the Senior Bowl where asked how they could effectively scout there the response was "we know what we're looking for".

I think McDaniels and Nolan both already have the frameworks of what they want, depending on how far along they get with acquiring the right players for it though we might need to hold off full implementation.

~Crash~
01-30-2009, 09:39 PM
You can beat that dead horse all you want. It's your opinion, versus facts. DJ finished second in the league in tackles. That would mean he wasn't the weakness of the team.

I agree, DJ is no Al, but he hasn't been the weakness on our defense (except when we brought him in injured to finish this last season). I felt he was still a little injured, and didn't finish this season very well.

OK ass tackle Lover !South lover ....

Rock Chalk
01-31-2009, 04:41 AM
No it wouldn't. In the 3-4 you need a dominant NT along with very stout DE's. Thomas isn't a natural 3-4 NT, probably more of a 3-4 DE. Dumervil would be eaten for lunch as a 3-4 DE and Ekuban's a 4-3 DE who is a FA so there's no reason to resign him and try him somewhere he's not a good fit. At your LB spots, DJ isn't a pass rusher which is what you need from your WOLB in the 3-4. Woodyard and Boss aren't ILB's due to size and skill sets. Moss could potentially be an OLB along with Dumervil, but we have no idea how they'd play in space.

Welcome home solider, thanks for all you do to protect us.

We should resign Ekuban to at least a one year deal because there is no way in hell they will be able to gather all the necessary components to run a full time 3-4 this next year. Ekuban in the 4-3 base package is our best DE period and with some help on the freakin line could be even better.

Rock Chalk
01-31-2009, 04:43 AM
You can beat that dead horse all you want. It's your opinion, versus facts. DJ finished second in the league in tackles. That would mean he wasn't the weakness of the team.

I agree, DJ is no Al, but he hasn't been the weakness on our defense (except when we brought him in injured to finish this last season). I felt he was still a little injured, and didn't finish this season very well.

The only thing factual about the tackle stat is that he made a tackle.

At MLB DJ made a lot of tackles....downfield after the RB blew past him :) Anyone that even remotely thinks DJ was suited to play MLB has got their head crammed so far up their ass they cant see daylight anymore.

cutthemdown
01-31-2009, 04:43 AM
I would think DJ has to be. We have to many holes to try replacing the players that are at least avg to good players. Get rid of the 5 scrubs then next yr try and fine tune the thing.

cmhargrove
01-31-2009, 08:45 AM
The only thing factual about the tackle stat is that he made a tackle.

At MLB DJ made a lot of tackles....downfield after the RB blew past him :) Anyone that even remotely thinks DJ was suited to play MLB has got their head crammed so far up their ass they cant see daylight anymore.

Ok, Rock Chalk, i'll take the bait. I don't know what your hang up is with cramming things up the ass, but i'll leave that up to you. touche.

Anyway, my point is, and has been that DJ will never be an Al Wilson (which I already said by the way). He's not even my style of MLB, or defensive figurehead. However, Ray Lewis would have sucked ass and not made as many tackles in 2007 as DJ did. As a matter of fact, Ray Lewis made himself heard (when his performance slipped) and got his team to beef up the line and keep guys off him so he could be a pro-bowl player again - props to Ray.

In a 3-4, DJ would need to be paired with a bigger, meaner guy like Maualuga to be successful. With the agressive style of coaching DJ will get from Martindale, I think he can and will improve his mean streak.

But, the point still stands. DJ Williams has never been the weak point of our defense. It has been the D-line, period. Improve that, and our LB's, Safeties, and Corners all of the sudden look better.

DJ is not the weak point, fix the line, and he will succeed.

BroncoBuff
01-31-2009, 10:49 AM
The only thing factual about the tackle stat is that he made a tackle.

At MLB DJ made a lot of tackles....downfield after the RB blew past him :) Anyone that even remotely thinks DJ was suited to play MLB has got their head crammed so far up their ass they cant see daylight anymore.

Nice to see somebody doesn't take Ebenezer for granted. Elvis is a better pure pass-rusher, but Ekuban's a better DE, and with his size and athleticism he's well-suited to 3-4 DE.

~Crash~
01-31-2009, 10:57 AM
The only thing factual about the tackle stat is that he made a tackle.

At MLB DJ made a lot of tackles....downfield after the RB blew past him :) Anyone that even remotely thinks DJ was suited to play MLB has got their head crammed so far up their ass they cant see daylight anymore.

:thumbsup: this is me I think DJ has no cule as to how you play football ...:wiggle:

~Crash~
01-31-2009, 10:59 AM
Nice to see somebody doesn't take Ebenezer for granted. Elvis is a better pure pass-rusher, but Ekuban's a better DE, and with his size and athleticism he's well-suited to 3-4 DE.


EE was a great pick up he has been a great Bronco... love his play never thought he needs to change a thing, solid person also...

~Crash~
01-31-2009, 11:00 AM
what I would like to Know is DJ related to Erick Brown....

BroncoBuff
01-31-2009, 11:01 AM
EE was a great pick up he has been a great Bronco... love his play never thought he needs to change a thing, solid person also...

Yeah, and seemed to be our only defender with ATTITUDE, at least until WW, Larsen and Barrett came along.

We need more of that EE MEAN on defense. Plus you gotta like the way he rebounded from the ruptured achilles. I think he'll thrive at 3-4 DE, for two or three more years at reasonable prices.

gyldenlove
01-31-2009, 11:04 AM
Nice to see somebody doesn't take Ebenezer for granted. Elvis is a better pure pass-rusher, but Ekuban's a better DE, and with his size and athleticism he's well-suited to 3-4 DE.

Another one.

Why did Cleveland get rid of Ekuban? because he is not suited to playing 3-4, I wish people would learn from history. Playing in 3-4 is more than size and quickness, hell I know a guy who is 6'4 and weighs 360 lbs, and bench presses 400+ lbs, but he still wouldn't be a good NT.

Spider
01-31-2009, 11:10 AM
Unless DJ gets injured and has to sit out or retire ....... But I guess that goes without saying eh

Popps
01-31-2009, 11:14 AM
Nice to see somebody doesn't take Ebenezer for granted. Elvis is a better pure pass-rusher, but Ekuban's a better DE, and with his size and athleticism he's well-suited to 3-4 DE.

Ekuban was the closest thing to an NFL defensive end we had on the roster.
He was the only guy who ever played with any consistency.

That said, he's aging... has had major injury issues and really can't be counted on as much more than a back-up at this stage in his career.

BroncoBuff
01-31-2009, 11:16 AM
Ekuban is not suited to playing 3-4, I wish people would learn from history. Playing in 3-4 is more than size and quickness, hell I know a guy who is 6'4 and weighs 360 lbs, and bench presses 400+ lbs, but he still wouldn't be a good NT.

You don't mean EE is slated to be a NT, do you?

Expand on what you mean about EE being wrong in a 3-4. And remember he moved inside to play DT on many passing downs here the past two years (in fact we started 4 DEs on the line at Indy in 2007). That along with his size and quickness, and skill defending the run, indicate he's well-suited to 3-4 DE.

~Crash~
01-31-2009, 11:25 AM
Another one.

Why did Cleveland get rid of Ekuban? because he is not suited to playing 3-4, I wish people would learn from history. Playing in 3-4 is more than size and quickness, hell I know a guy who is 6'4 and weighs 360 lbs, and bench presses 400+ lbs, but he still wouldn't be a good NT.

in base 3-4 you are in the base 3 lineman 4 LB 20 snaps a game we can find a way to keep EE and use him I agree cut bait with 75 % of the players that don't work he is one you keep !

TheReverend
01-31-2009, 11:29 AM
You don't mean EE is slated to be a NT, do you?

Expand on what you mean about EE being wrong in a 3-4. And remember he moved inside to play DT on many passing downs here the past two years (in fact we started 4 DEs on the line at Indy in 2007). That along with his size and quickness, and skill defending the run, indicate he's well-suited to 3-4 DE.

Not necessarilly. Playing inside on passing downs where you're attacking a pocket, and playing inside on running downs is very different.

gyldenlove
01-31-2009, 11:49 AM
You don't mean EE is slated to be a NT, do you?

Expand on what you mean about EE being wrong in a 3-4. And remember he moved inside to play DT on many passing downs here the past two years (in fact we started 4 DEs on the line at Indy in 2007). That along with his size and quickness, and skill defending the run, indicate he's well-suited to 3-4 DE.

Because he couldn't play 3-4 in Cleveland - nuff said.

Drek
01-31-2009, 04:24 PM
Nice to see somebody doesn't take Ebenezer for granted. Elvis is a better pure pass-rusher, but Ekuban's a better DE, and with his size and athleticism he's well-suited to 3-4 DE.

Thing is Buff, he's already pretty old and he's never played in a 3-4 before. Is it really worth bringing him back and teaching him the 3-4 DE job when he'll be out of football inside of three years anyways?

Its just not a productive long term use of a roster spot.

broncolife
01-31-2009, 04:57 PM
I know thats why I said it makes no sense Hilarious!

Hey, I think of John Goodman when people talk about the Goodmans:)

Finger Roll
01-31-2009, 06:34 PM
not a big fan of DJ's myself. I think the deal he got last season isn't looking to great for the broncos now.

Willynowei
01-31-2009, 06:38 PM
Another one.

Why did Cleveland get rid of Ekuban? because he is not suited to playing 3-4, I wish people would learn from history. Playing in 3-4 is more than size and quickness, hell I know a guy who is 6'4 and weighs 360 lbs, and bench presses 400+ lbs, but he still wouldn't be a good NT.

sorry but those are not impressive numbers at all

~Crash~
02-08-2009, 10:11 PM
never ? at MLB'er I would say I have never ever seen such a mess ....Carry on....:sunshine:

oh my god pat bowlen bad rep me , saying go back to high school ....for saying DJ sucks at MLB no pat he really does suck! SEND ALL THE RED DOTS YOU WANT DRUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:peace: