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p7superfly
01-29-2009, 04:08 AM
I believe there are rootkits in a couple of my systems...

Virus scanners don't pick up files protected by the rootkit, b/c it loads before your operating system - and can fool the scanners.

Apparently the only way to rid these is with a boot disk/cd that can scan before anything loads.

Anyone have some insights, or a trick CD they use to fix their CPU's?

Also I'm building a fairly large network. Any tips for security, or good programs you'd recommend?

Thanks a bunch.

rugbythug
01-29-2009, 06:48 AM
I am interested in this also. I got hit by a malware site while trying to find a pic for the funny pic thread. So far Adaware, Norton, Spydoctor all say i am clean but I keep getting a PopUP.

baja
01-29-2009, 06:51 AM
Buy a Mac...

alkemical
01-29-2009, 07:00 AM
for windows:

I like AVG, Spybot, adaware and malware bytes.

If you go to lots of sites digging for warez, romz, torrentz, etc, get the noscript plugin for mozillia. It can be a pain in the ass to use at times, but - it will prompt you for every script to be run on a page (if you don't define it as "friendly/allowed").

Kaylore
01-29-2009, 07:01 AM
I am interested in this also. I got hit by a malware site while trying to find a pic of Japanese school girls making out.
FYP

Dukes
01-29-2009, 07:04 AM
Buy a Mac...

I swear you mac guys sound more and more like a cult

alkemical
01-29-2009, 07:07 AM
I swear you mac guys sound more and more like a cult

They are, they should persuade people from buying macs. The more they become popular, the more they are going to be exposed by hackers, etc. Supply and demand in terms of virii/malware.

Ray Finkle
01-29-2009, 07:11 AM
Mcafee has a 3 in 1 security system that nails all of that. It was picking up things that spybot and ad-aware missed so that is all I use now.

Dukes
01-29-2009, 07:12 AM
Mcafee has a 3 in 1 security system that nails all of that. It was picking up things that spybot and ad-aware missed so that is all I use now.

Does it bog down your system?

snowspot66
01-29-2009, 07:12 AM
They are, they should persuade people from buying macs. The more they become popular, the more they are going to be exposed by hackers, etc. Supply and demand in terms of virii/malware.

The sad truth.

I had to buy a Mac for school. Now I use it for 99% of my internet browsing along with Firefox. It's wonderful. I have almost no fear of getting a virus. But the more people start pimping it the worse it will be. So don't buy a Mac. You'll just give us the virtual herpes too.

bpc
01-29-2009, 07:13 AM
yeah I have a MAC and they just reported that the first set of virus' are hitting the computers now. It's all dependent on the market and one people can pilfer from you. As MAC popularity grows, so will that of those trying to raid. I'm not stoked about it and am now actively looking for a protection product to use on my computer as well. Nobody is really safe anymore.

Ray Finkle
01-29-2009, 07:15 AM
Does it bog down your system?

not that I have noticed....I run the quick clean first and takes out most of the crap and then run a system scan. The first thing the scan does is look for rootkits, spyare, etc, and rarely has something got passed the quick clean first.

baja
01-29-2009, 07:15 AM
I swear you mac guys sound more and more like a cult

I just appreciate what works. Mac is elegantly simple.

Dukes
01-29-2009, 07:17 AM
I just appreciate what works. Mac is elegantly simple.

It may be, but the OS and user interface are not for everyone.

Dukes
01-29-2009, 07:17 AM
not that I have noticed....I run the quick clean first and takes out most of the crap and then run a system scan. The first thing the scan does is look for rootkits, spyare, etc, and rarely has something got passed the quick clean first.

Thats good to know, I just use AVG and pandascan. Haven't come accross anything I can't get rid of in safe mode yet.

baja
01-29-2009, 07:18 AM
They are, they should persuade people from buying macs. The more they become popular, the more they are going to be exposed by hackers, etc. Supply and demand in terms of virii/malware.

Good point, my mac lap top sucks I had to replace my hard drive after only 4 years because I thought I heard a funny noise once.

Popcorn Sutton
01-29-2009, 07:50 AM
Buy a Mac...

Yeah, Mac's are completely void of any such threat.... :rofl:

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9072959

It's not the OS that causes most of the exploits... It's the users and as the Mac users multiply, so will the spyware, malware viruses and such.


http://www.macworld.com/article/132733/2008/03/hack.html (http://www.macworld.com/article/132733/2008/03/hack.html)

The MacBook was the only system to be hacked by Thursday, however, the word on the show floor is that the Linux and Vista systems will meet with some serious challenges on Friday.

broncosteven
01-29-2009, 10:41 AM
for windows:

I like AVG, Spybot, adaware and malware bytes.

If you go to lots of sites digging for warez, romz, torrentz, etc, get the noscript plugin for mozillia. It can be a pain in the ass to use at times, but - it will prompt you for every script to be run on a page (if you don't define it as "friendly/allowed").

Spybot REP!

Use Spybot.

broncosteven
01-29-2009, 10:42 AM
Mcafee has a 3 in 1 security system that nails all of that. It was picking up things that spybot and ad-aware missed so that is all I use now.

Mcaffee REP!

BUY the McAfee suite with the Firewall.

Dudeskey
01-29-2009, 10:46 AM
Buy a Mac...

**** Mac... I'm in the process of migrating to Mandriva Linux...

mr007
01-29-2009, 10:49 AM
Honestly, Malwarebytes is the best one out there for scanning your system.

McAfee is decent, Symantec is probably better if you want to go commercialized.

broncosteven
01-29-2009, 10:50 AM
I believe there are rootkits in a couple of my systems...

Virus scanners don't pick up files protected by the rootkit, b/c it loads before your operating system - and can fool the scanners.

Apparently the only way to rid these is with a boot disk/cd that can scan before anything loads.

Anyone have some insights, or a trick CD they use to fix their CPU's?

Also I'm building a fairly large network. Any tips for security, or good programs you'd recommend?

Thanks a bunch.

Install all recommended MS Patches. Wait one or 2 weeks after patch Tuesday, but no more than that.

Buy an Anti-virus suite and make sure the auto updates are configured. Make sure your Exchange/email server has Anti-virus protection, Mcafee is as good as the other products.

If you are building a large Network buy a Firewall and use PAT. Make sure the inbound access-list is tight.

Don't browse the internet with a Server or the host that hosts all your important files on it. THat is what workstations are for.

You can only infect a pc/server with spyware if you browse to an infected site. Only use the internet on a server to get patches.

If your real big look at Ironport for Spam filtering. Expensive but worth it.

Remember Security is not FREE! It must be factored into the cost of the network.

Oh and MAC's need protection also. There are not as many vunerabilites but they are there. If you do not follow through with protection for any and all networks you should go into ditch digging.

broncosteven
01-29-2009, 10:57 AM
I believe there are rootkits in a couple of my systems...

Virus scanners don't pick up files protected by the rootkit, b/c it loads before your operating system - and can fool the scanners.


Thanks a bunch.

OH BTW if you have a true root kit you will need to reformat the OS drive. Spyware products may be able to block the port or IP but the root kit is still there.

Sounds like you have your hands full.

worm
01-29-2009, 10:58 AM
Also I'm building a fairly large network. Any tips for security, or good programs you'd recommend?

Thanks a bunch.

What do you consider a 'fairly large' network? 5 nodes? 10,000 nodes?

Is this for a company? If so, you better have a layered approach including IDS, IPS etc...and not just workstation protection tools talked about here.

If it is for your home, your firewall is your first line of defense and should be managed as proactively and restrictively as possible.

Pick Six
01-29-2009, 12:10 PM
Am I the only one who thinks idiots who load viruses should be sent to Guantanamo Bay for the most horrific torture possible? How DARE they ruin my pron searches...;)

yerner
01-29-2009, 12:15 PM
I use Bitdefender now. Its the best ive tried.

Bronx33
01-29-2009, 12:23 PM
god i hate people that make these things they should be treated like child molestors imo.

broncosteven
01-29-2009, 03:07 PM
god i hate people that make these things they should be treated like child molestors imo.

They are easier to stop, less dangerous and keep a lot of people employeed.

Security is not hard, just expensive.

Plus all the script babies have made it harder for real hackers to actually break into networks and do real damage like stealing money or any of the "24" threats.

The big public break ins like TJ max recently have been attributed to stolen property that had company or customer data on them. Not hackers breaking through a Firewall and running loose.

baja
01-29-2009, 04:34 PM
What do you consider a 'fairly large' network? 5 nodes? 10,000 nodes?

Is this for a company? If so, you better have a layered approach including IDS, IPS etc...and not just workstation protection tools talked about here.

If it is for your home, your firewall is your first line of defense and should be managed as proactively and restrictively as possible.

What's a firewall?

broncosteven
01-29-2009, 05:20 PM
What's a firewall?

A wall, usually drywall, that goes all the way to the top of the ceiling preventing Fire from jumping from one room to another.

ScottXray
01-29-2009, 11:12 PM
Honestly, Malwarebytes is the best one out there for scanning your system.

McAfee is decent, Symantec is probably better if you want to go commercialized.

I just spent 4 hours helping a friend get antivirus 360 off his system.
Used malwarebytes free version, but the bugger has hooks that block the program from running (have to change the name,), block the program from updating (have to load on another machine and transfer via USB stick), block Windows update from running (denies access to the web site and tells you THAT site is full of Malware (sense of humor in the code I guess)), and blocks windows restore from running too.

I eventually got it by deleting everything in the registry related to it, ran malwarebytes in safe mode, then ran it in regular mode. After three passes like that I finally got restore to run and took the machine back to the week before infection. Then ran one final pass to fully kill it and get update running. During the passes it decribed the trojan as a root kit, which could not be removed without a reboot.

The ass holes that write this stuff should be shot or set to pestering wall street CEO's exclusively.

baja
01-30-2009, 04:25 AM
Wow how much did that service cost ya? Say what you will I love my Mac.

alkemical
01-30-2009, 06:22 AM
Wow how much did that service cost ya? Say what you will I love my Mac.

Wait till they are exploited. It has not "much" to do with it being a MAC, as it does marketshare.

That's all.


Besides, real men run VM. ;)

hahaha...

worm
01-30-2009, 06:31 AM
I personally think this whole computer thing is a fad.

baja
01-30-2009, 07:14 AM
I personally think this whole computer thing is a fad.

It's natures way of showing us what is capable with the 90% of our brain we don't use. We were born with an Internet we just don't know how to access it

Kaylore
01-30-2009, 07:29 AM
It's natures way of showing us what is capable with the 90% of our brain we don't use.

That's a myth. (http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp)

MrPappagiorgio
01-30-2009, 07:55 AM
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