Obama's First Military Operation - Sends Missles into Pakistan

[epicSocialism4tw]

Wall Street Journal - Pakistan Urges Halt to Missle Attacks
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123274488209911179.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5575883.ece

[Hotrod]

Change my ass LMMFAO

[Garcia Bronco]

I never got the impression from Obama that he wouldn't be affraid to get physical with terroist factions and countries.

[Hotrod]

I never got the impression from Obama that he wouldn't be affraid to get physical with terroist factions and countries.


If he wants Osama (if he is actually still alive) he will need boots on the ground. Period end of story.

[Spider]

whats so funny ? Obama said along time ago he will attack Pakistan ......he got into some deep **** for it , but Obama is doing what he originally stated .....

[socalorado]

Just out of curiosity, were any inoccent lives murdered from these strikes?

[Garcia Bronco]

If he wants Osama (if he is actually still alive) he will need boots on the ground. Period end of story.

I don't think he has the fortitude to do that, but I could be wrong. However, I don't think Osama is even alive.

[Hotrod]

whats so funny ? Obama said along time ago he will attack Pakistan ......he got into some deep **** for it , but Obama is doing what he originally stated .....

I agree. I just dont see missle strikes doing anything but stirring up the idiots of Pakistan. Either boots on the ground (which I dont want) or carpet bomb the piss out of the region. I am sick of fighting half ass wars to be politicaly correct. Either go in and **** them up or dont bother....IMO

[Spider]

I agree. I just dont see missle strikes doing anything but stirring up the idiots of Pakistan. Either boots on the ground (which I dont want) or carpet bomb the piss out of the region. I am sick of fighting half ass wars to be politicaly correct. Either go in and **** them up or dont bother....IMO

what I think the plan is , to show Pakistan that he means what he said , if these Missiles dont get the Pakistan Army into gear and chase terrorist back into Afghanistan , then boots on the ground will be the next step ...... I fully support this move as much as i did going into Afghanistan ........

[Dagmar]

Methinks dramallama is just trying to start something by not putting this in the WSP forum.

[WolfpackGuy]

Just make sure those missiles are dipped in pig's blood.

[Spider]

Just make sure those missiles are dipped in pig's blood.

;D I would go along with that ........

[Hotrod]

what I think the plan is , to show Pakistan that he means what he said , if these Missiles dont get the Pakistan Army into gear and chase terrorist back into Afghanistan , then boots on the ground will be the next step ...... I fully support this move as much as i did going into Afghanistan ........

I'm fine with that as long as if Barry decides to actually do something in Pakistan he lets the military go in with fists flying and not play the Politically correct game and tie one hand behind the soldiers backs.

[theAPAOps5]

Obama you gutless drunk.

[Hotrod]

Obama you gutless drunk.

poll coming Ha!

[Spider]

I'm fine with that as long as if Barry decides to actually do something in Pakistan he lets the military go in with fists flying and not play the Politically correct game and tie one hand behind the soldiers backs.

my personal opinion is , Obama aka Barry is certifiable ....when he said he will do what it takes , I believe he will do just that ...... I think Hillary would have been more ruthless , but Obama will do what he said he will do , and for now thats good enough for me

[Garcia Bronco]

Just out of curiosity, were any inoccent lives murdered from these strikes?

Supposedly. I never believe those stories though coming out of other countries. They would lie in a heartbeat

[Spider]

Just out of curiosity, were any inoccent lives murdered from these strikes?

I dont know 2 ways of looking at it , are they innocent when they harbor and give safe haven to know terrorist of their own free will ?
or do they harbor terrorist in fear of their lives ?
I guess that question has to be answered before we can answer if they are innocent or not

[Hotrod]

my personal opinion is , Obama aka Barry is certifiable ....when he said he will do what it takes , I believe he will do just that ...... I think Hillary would have been more ruthless , but Obama will do what he said he will do , and for now thats good enough for me

I hope your correct.

[Spider]

I hope your correct.
So do I ....... if not he will get the same hate from me as Bush did .......I am sick and tired of our leaders letting Al QADEA escape ........ I really hope Obama puts one in their ass and breaks it off ......

[Rock Chalk]

Just out of curiosity, were any inoccent lives murdered from these strikes?

In war, there are no innocents. That's a stupid politically correct concept from Euro-Americans that NO ONE else in teh world believes in. If there are no innocents in that case, no one was "murdered". They were killed in a combat zone. Tragic yes, but that's ****ing war and why it should be avoided except as a last resort.

[socalorado]

Supposedly. I never believe those stories though coming out of other countries. They would lie in a heartbeat

Huh. Interesting. Supposedly innocent lives were murdered. And barry ordered the strike, which makes him responsible. Huh.
I guess i will wait until more information can be made available before i take any kind of stand on this situation. after all, thats my tax money murdering those innocent lives over there, according to some sources. Just have to wait and see.

[Kaylore]

If Bush did it it would be "more war mongering" and people would suspect its oil related. There would be you tube movies to scary music about how it's all a plan for world domination and that we really live in a police state. Obama does it and unicorns are born and children everywhere pee pixie dust.:rofl:

[socalorado]

In war, there are no innocents. That's a stupid politically correct concept from Euro-Americans that NO ONE else in teh world believes in. If there are no innocents in that case, no one was "murdered". They were killed in a combat zone. Tragic yes, but that's ****ing war and why it should be avoided except as a last resort.

Did the stupid, politically incorrect people who were killed (murdered) in the combat zone KNOW they were in a combat zone? Or were they just living their lives and suddenly they exploded, and they thought to themselves, "Well, i am getting blown up to kingdom come, i must be in a combat zone, and i didnt know it!"

[Rohirrim]

OMG! Obama is doing exactly what he said he would do during the campaign.

[Hotrod]

Did the stupid, politically incorrect people who were killed (murdered) in the combat zone KNOW they were in a combat zone? Or were they just living their lives and suddenly they exploded, and they thought to themselves, "Well, i am getting blown up to kingdom come, i must be in a combat zone, and i didnt know it!"

If a tree falls in the forest........oh **** it.

[sirhcyennek81]

Obama is continuing a Bush policy, the border has terrorists on both sides of it. If you get intel they are hiding cave X in giantpuswahlamabad, Pakistan, you blow the **** out of it. I agree with Dortoh, that he will need to put more troops into Afghanistan. We win every battle with terrorists there, but have to leave an area to go somewhere else because of a lack of manpower, and like roaches the ****heads come right back.

:Broncos:

[Rock Chalk]

OMG! Obama is doing exactly what he said he would do during the campaign.

OMG he is attacking one of the only allies we have in the region!

[Spider]

If Bush did it it would be "more war mongering" and people would suspect its oil related. There would be you tube movies to scary music about how it's all a plan for world domination and that we really live in a police state. Obama does it and unicorns are born and children everywhere pee pixie dust.:rofl:

LOL i see you are having a hard time with a Democrat kicking ass and full filling a promise , you are used to Bush , we will get the terrorist after we screw up Iraq .... first things first hey ..............:~ohyah!:

[Kaylore]

LOL i see you are having a hard time with a Democrat kicking ass and full filling a promise , you are used to Bush , we will get the terrorist after we screw up Iraq .... first things first hey ..............:~ohyah!:

My problem is how two-faced you Dems are. Bush could have saved a baby in a well and you would have said it was evil and the evil machinations of Karl Rove.

I also love how you're arguing that Obama is justified simply because he said he'd do it in his campaign. I don't care if he promised to do it, that doesn't mean he should or that it's right.

[Rohirrim]

OMG he is attacking one of the only allies we have in the region!

Allies? I wouldn't go that far. India is our number one ally in that region.

[Spider]

My problem is how two-faced you Dems are. Bush could have saved a baby in a well and you would have said it was evil and the evil machinations of Karl Rove.

I also love how you're arguing that Obama is justified simply because he said he'd do it in his campaign. I don't care if he promised to do it, that doesn't mean he should or that it's right.

LOL then get your head out of your ass ....... we supported Afghanistan , went against Iraq .. why ? cause Iraq had nothing to do with anything ...... Pakistan on the other hand ... so what you see as 2 faced , is only your short coming on thinking ..........

[Kaylore]

LOL then get your head out of your ass ....... we supported Afghanistan , went against Iraq .. why ? cause Iraq had nothing to do with anything ...... Pakistan on the other hand ... so what you see as 2 faced , is only your short coming on thinking ..........

That's pretty weak, Spider.So far your aguments have been "you're all stupid" and post laughing smilies without making an argument.

How about the fact that Pakistan is one of our allies there and they are themselves an extremely unstable country. Firing a bunch of missiles into the country is hardly going to bode well for our international relations. I thought Obama was going to reach out to countries and bring them together? I guess this is one way to reach out.


Oh and here's your portion of the argument:

you're stupid ROFL! LOL :spit:

::)

[TheReverend]

This IS kinda funny. Did he reach out and try to talk to their leader over the last couple days?

Edit: Kaylore beat me to it

[Spider]

That's pretty weak, Spider.So far your aguments have been "you're all stupid" and post laughing smilies without making an argument.

How about the fact that Pakistan is one of our allies there and they are themselves an extremely unstable country. Firing a bunch of missiles into the country is hardly going to bode well for our international relations. I thought Obama was going to reach out to countries and bring them together. I guess this is one way to reach out.


Oh and here's your portion of the argument:

you're stupid ROFL! LOL :spit:

::)

oh dude calling Pakistan a good Ally is like calling your Neighbor a good guy cause he only steals your gas and doesnt screw your wife ...... other then that Kaylore I learned a long time ago , you cant fix stupid , if you dont see the difference in Iraq and Pakistan , then yeah you are stupid ........ dont get mad at me for it , I didnt make you stupid .........

[TheReverend]

oh dude calling Pakistan a good Ally is like calling your Neighbor a good guy cause he only steals your gas and doesnt screw your wife ...... other then that Kaylore I learned a long time ago , you cant fix stupid , if you dont see the difference in Iraq and Pakistan , then yeah you are stupid ........ dont get mad at me for it , I didnt make you stupid .........

Let's cut the bull**** and get to what's important:

What did Mark have to say about it?

[DarkHorse30]

I got an angry message from Taco when I started a Palin thread here a few months ago. Good to see that Orangemane is so fair and balanced :afro:

[Hotrod]

oh dude calling Pakistan a good Ally is like calling your Neighbor a good guy cause he only steals your gas and doesnt screw your wife ...... other then that Kaylore I learned a long time ago , you cant fix stupid , if you dont see the difference in Iraq and Pakistan , then yeah you are stupid ........ dont get mad at me for it , I didnt make you stupid .........

When gas was 4 bucks a gallon I'd have rather he taken the wife.

[Hotrod]

I got an angry message from Taco when I started a Palin thread here a few months ago. Good to see that Orangemane is so fair and balanced :afro:

a few months ago we were not in offseason mode.

[Spider]

Let's cut the bull**** and get to what's important:

What did Mark have to say about it?

LOL..........

[sirhcyennek81]

LOL then get your head out of your ass ....... we supported Afghanistan , went against Iraq .. why ? cause Iraq had nothing to do with anything ...... Pakistan on the other hand ... so what you see as 2 faced , is only your short coming on thinking ..........



We went to war in Iraq with a majority of democrats voting for it...so apparently at the time they believed it had something to do with it.

As for Afghanistan, 2 weeks in the NY Times was calling it a quagmire and we should leave. So a liberal tilted paper gave Bush 2 weeks worth of support for war in afghanistan.

:Broncos:

[Spider]

When gas was 4 bucks a gallon I'd have rather he taken the wife.

LOL ..... you got a point

[Spider]

We went to war in Iraq with a heavy democrat majority...so apparently at the time they believed it had something to do with it. Do you make up history to feel better ? they went in for WMD ....... Not terrorism ......

As for Afghanistan, 2 weeks in the NY Times was calling it a quagmire and we should leave. So a liberal tilted paper gave Bush 2 weeks worth of support for war in afghanistan.

:Broncos:

better then nothing ............

[sirhcyennek81]

Do you make up history to feel better ? they went in for WMD ....... Not terrorism ......



better then nothing ............


Make up history? Look it up Spider, seriously. There was no gigantic democrat resistance to a war in iraq. There was none until the American people were upset by the death toll, and typically democrats are only in favor of something if its popular with the people and can get them votes.

:Broncos:

[Kaylore]

oh dude calling Pakistan a good Ally is like calling your Neighbor a good guy cause he only steals your gas and doesnt screw your wife ...... other then that Kaylore I learned a long time ago , you cant fix stupid , if you dont see the difference in Iraq and Pakistan , then yeah you are stupid ........ dont get mad at me for it , I didnt make you stupid .........

WTH are you talking about? I haven't said anything about Iraq nor have I said Pakistan is a "good ally". I think you're hiding behind insults rather than answering me straight up. I'm talking about shooting missiles into Pakistan. Regardless there is no point in arguing with you. You're just farting out non-sequiturs and calling me names. You still haven't responded to a single point I've made directly.

[baja]

If Bush did it it would be "more war mongering" and people would suspect its oil related. There would be you tube movies to scary music about how it's all a plan for world domination and that we really live in a police state. Obama does it and unicorns are born and children everywhere pee pixie dust.:rofl:

Most people gave Bush their support early on, he earned his hate and distrust.

[Spider]

Make up history? Look it up Spider, seriously. There was no gigantic democrat resistance to a war in iraq. There was none until the American people were upset by the death toll, and typically democrats are only in favor of something if its popular with the people and can get them votes.

:Broncos:

I dont give a rats ass if Marry Poppins voted to go into Iraq , they didnt go into Iraq over terrorism so apparently at the time they believed it had something to do with it. .......care to change that or you still going to stick with this bull**** ?

[Spider]

WTH are you talking about? I haven't said anything about Iraq nor have I said Pakistan is a "good ally". I think you're hiding behind insults rather than answering me straight up. I'm talking about shooting missiles into Pakistan. Regardless there is no point in arguing with you. You're just farting out non-sequiturs and calling me names. You still haven't responded to a single point I've made directly.
and I wont cause you are full of **** ...... when bush was called those names is when he went into Iraq , when Bush was accused of Oil it was Iraq ....... maybe you forgot

[colonelbeef]

We went to war in Iraq with a majority of democrats voting for it...so apparently at the time they believed it had something to do with it.

As for Afghanistan, 2 weeks in the NY Times was calling it a quagmire and we should leave. So a liberal tilted paper gave Bush 2 weeks worth of support for war in afghanistan.

:Broncos:

Source? Link? I want you to pull the article where the NYT calls Afghanistan a quagmire 2 weeks into the operation.

You won't be able to, because this is patented bull****. Neocons and their inability to decipher truth from fiction, the reason GWB got a 2nd term I suppose.

[Spider]

Source? Link? I want you to pull the article where the NYT calls Afghanistan a quagmire 2 weeks into the operation.

You won't be able to, because this is patented bull****. Neocons and their inability to decipher truth from fiction, the reason GWB got a 2nd term I suppose.

LOL ....... And they wonder why I just insult .....

[Kaylore]

Source? Link? I want you to pull the article where the NYT calls Afghanistan a quagmire 2 weeks into the operation.

You won't be able to, because this is patented bull****. Neocons and their inability to decipher truth from fiction, the reason GWB got a 2nd term I suppose.
http://www.wellesley.edu/Polisci/wj/Vietnam/apple-afghan.html
OWNED

Most people gave Bush their support early on, he earned his hate and distrust.
False. The left hated him from the time he "stole" the election and never supported him.

and I wont cause you are full of **** ...... when bush was called those names is when he went into Iraq , when Bush was accused of Oil it was Iraq ....... maybe you forgot
Bush was second guessed with everything he did. People demonizing him was hardly isolated to his situation in Iraq. Remember the infamous "pipeline" in Afghanistan? Yeah, it was all for the oil pipeline. You guys took everything he did and imagined it into something more sinister than it was.

[Hotrod]

http://www.wellesley.edu/Polisci/wj/Vietnam/apple-afghan.html
OWNED


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Game set match :notworthy

[sisterhellfyre]

I don't think he has the fortitude to do that, but I could be wrong. However, I don't think Osama is even alive.

OBL has been dead for years. I can just about guarantee that with having spent five years on dialysis. Many people don't realize just what all is required to stay alive on dialysis. Just running the procedure at all requires a generous supply of absolutely clean and sterile water. If there are ANY harmful bacteria in the water supply, they get a free ride directly into your bloodstream -- and who knows where from there.

The power supply has to be equally steady. It's not a procedure that you really want to start, then stop, then start again.

The dietary requirements to maintain healthy body chemistry are really strict.

That doesn't even begin to mention the very expensive drugs necessary to stave off severe anemia and other debilitating conditions.

The average life expectancy for otherwise healthy people beginning on dialysis in their mid-40s is eight years. That number only goes steadily downward with increasing age and other medical conditions adding complications.

How long was OBL on dialysis before 9/11? And at what age did he start? The numbers just don't add up for him to still be alive.

Regards,
m.

[baja]

Kaylore - False. The left hated him from the time he "stole" the election and never supported him.

While that is somewhat true when you compare the level of hate after getting to know him better you could almost call that early feeling loving support in comparison.

[Hotrod]

Source? Link? I want you to pull the article where the NYT calls Afghanistan a quagmire 2 weeks into the operation.

You won't be able to, because this is patented bull****. Neocons and their inability to decipher truth from fiction, the reason GWB got a 2nd term I suppose.

Sounds like someone has been gobbling up the CNN cobbler

http://ui30.gamespot.com/2397/vaderfail_2.jpg

[Spider]

Bush was second guessed with everything he did. People demonizing him was hardly isolated to his situation in Iraq. Remember the infamous "pipeline" in Afghanistan? Yeah, it was all for the oil pipeline. You guys took everything he did and imagined it into something more sinister than it was.
He was court appointed , but come on you know damn well it didnt go bad until Iraq

[Spider]

http://www.wellesley.edu/Polisci/wj/Vietnam/apple-afghan.html
OWNED


wasnt that an op ed Piece ?

[Kaylore]

He was court appointed
Um, no. The Court didn't appoint him to the Presidency. They ruled that the standards for vote counting cannot be changed during the election (which objectively speaking makes total sense!) and that the results from the third recount (he won all three of them) were to be considered final.
but come on you know damn well it didnt go bad until Iraq
Bush lost me with the nationalizing of the airport security workers. And most of the rest of the right left his camp by the time the bailouts started.

I think he had a crap load to deal with and a lot wasn't his fault. People say 9/11 was a scheme. Neither he nor the Clinton administration thought Terrorism was dangerous to that degree. During his first year of his presidency Bush was putting heavy pressure on China. Remember the incident where we emergency landed on their land? It was all China. Then we got cock-punched on 9/11, in the middle of a recession, and Bush believed that was his biggest priority. He got blamed for Katrina unfairly, which had more to do with state issues than national ones. People told him Afghanistan wouldn't work and it is. He didn't have an exit strategy for Iraq and the CIA was wrong about the WMD's. You guys say he lied but several nations honestly believed Hussein had them. And he kept kicking out the inspectors! Why would you kick them out if you had nothing? Because he was just a crazy dictator but it fooled the UN!

I think Bush tried to do too much. His big moves nationally pissed off the left. His concessions and big-government fiscal policy pissed off the right. However given what he had to deal with, I don't know many Presidents who've dealt with incidents on the scale he has and so I'm not going to slam him too hard. I definitely am not going to imagine what Obama does as some kind of secret communist agenda every day.

wasnt that an op ed Piece ?

Yes. I was unaware that he specified that it wasn't. The point was colonelbeef suggested it was a bogus statement and there was no link. You agreed and used it as evidence to continue your name-calling rather than making an argument. You were both wrong.

[SportinOne]

If Bush did it it would be "more war mongering" and people would suspect its oil related. There would be you tube movies to scary music about how it's all a plan for world domination and that we really live in a police state. Obama does it and unicorns are born and children everywhere pee pixie dust.:rofl:

Here's the difference... Obama is targeting Pakistan. Bush was targeting Iraq.

Despite the fact that both of these countries are in the middle east, it does not mean that they are one in the same..

And i'm assuming that no american lives were lost upon missile launch, unless the pilot went to the John McCain school of "How to Properly Fire a Missile: And How (When) Not To"

[DarkHorse30]

a few months ago we were not in offseason mode.

I would argue that point.....but it's too depressing

[sirhcyennek81]

wasnt that an op ed Piece ?


What about the NYT being a liberal rag escapes you? The entire paper is an OP-Ed piece. If they wrote a story about the sky being blue you would read about how they feel the blue is not quite turquoise, its more pale blue or lilac blue...


:Broncos:

[sirhcyennek81]

Whoops. Double posted.


:Broncos:

[Spider]

What about the NYT being a liberal rag escapes you? The entire paper is an OP-Ed piece. If they wrote a story about the sky being blue you would read about how they feel the blue is not quite turquoise, its more pale blue or lilac blue...


:Broncos:

yeah ok ........ It was an op ed piece and not front page or paper endorsed ...... thanks

[sirhcyennek81]

yeah ok ........ It was an op ed piece and not front page or paper endorsed ...... thanks


http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/archives/id/16250/

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/oct2001/nyc-o12.shtml


:Broncos:


I'll find more spider, have to run an errand.

:Broncos:

[SportinOne]

What about the NYT being a liberal rag escapes you? The entire paper is an OP-Ed piece. If they wrote a story about the sky being blue you would read about how they feel the blue is not quite turquoise, its more pale blue or lilac blue...


:Broncos:

Well, that is kind of true, isn't it? I mean, the sky is never just one shade of blue and it varies from region to region :peace:

[Spider]

http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/archives/id/16250/ this one is about a group worried about the war ..the paper never gives its stand . using you ****ed up logic here , every time a paper writes about a group of killers , they support killings ......
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/oct2001/nyc-o12.shtml
again another story about a group of people .. Look you guys stated that the NY times itself declared Afghanistan a quagmire after just 2 weeks . either you know what you are arguing or you dont ...... I will make it simple show me where , the paper . not a group of people or an op ed Piece But the paper itself said Afghanistan was a quagmire after 2 weeks ........

:Broncos:


I'll find more spider, have to run an errand.

:Broncos:Lets hope you do a better job of providing the proof of the paper stating what you claimed they said .......

[24champ]

If he wants Osama (if he is actually still alive) he will need boots on the ground. Period end of story.

There are boots on the ground... CIA Paramilitary, Navy SEALs, Army Rangers...you name it.

[Hotrod]

There are boots on the ground... CIA Paramilitary, Navy SEALs, Army Rangers...you name it.

If that is true (and I would tend to think it is) then Osama is dead. Those boys would have ****ed him up the arse with the unlubed business end of a m16 by now.

[SportinOne]

it's possible he was dead a long time ago but Bush needed an excuse to keep at it while filling his pockets.. i'm only partially kidding

[24champ]

If that is true (and I would tend to think it is) then Osama is dead. Those boys would have ****ed him up the arse with the unlubed business end of a m16 by now.

When was the last time we heard from that ****er?

[Rohirrim]

I particularly liked it when the Bush cronies stole the election and then Bush came into office saying he had a mandate and was going to spend his political "capital." At that moment, I knew we were in deep ****. And Bush never did leave that fantasy land. ;D

[Rohirrim]

When was the last time we heard from that ****er?

Last week was the latest video. I believe he was trying out for American Idol.

[55CrushEm]

If Bush did it it would be "more war mongering" and people would suspect its oil related. There would be you tube movies to scary music about how it's all a plan for world domination and that we really live in a police state. Obama does it and unicorns are born and children everywhere pee pixie dust.:rofl:

:rofl: So true. But Obama does it and the Obama, shall we say, "bootlickers" come out in full support.

Hypocrisy at its finest.

[24champ]

I particularly liked it when the Bush cronies stole the election and then Bush came into office saying he had a mandate and was going to spend his political "capital." At that moment, I knew we were in deep ****. And Bush never did leave that fantasy land. ;D

Weren't you guys supposed to move to Canada at that time too?;D

[bowtown]

My problem is how two-faced you Dems are. Bush could have saved a baby in a well and you would have said it was evil and the evil machinations of Karl Rove.

I also love how you're arguing that Obama is justified simply because he said he'd do it in his campaign. I don't care if he promised to do it, that doesn't mean he should or that it's right.

I don't understand what's wrong about refocusing our efforts and trying to win a war that nobody argued was the wrong one and have been screaming all along that we have been losing. The Pakistan, Afghanistan front is where we should have been all along, and had Bush actually kept his focus there and done what we were supposed to, then you wouldn't see nearly the distrust or anger.

It's true that a lot of people didn't like Bush even from the beginning, but after 911 and at the beginning of the war in Afghanistan his approval ratings were soaring. People were behind him, including our allies. It wasn't until he and his oil buddies peeled off and started a war that had was not provoked and based on a lot of false information that people stared getting leery of our presideent and using terms like "warmonger" and questioning his intentions. You can imagine it another way, but the approval rating numbers don't support it, and stop blaming it on the Democrats. Please go find me more than 3 Republicans, other than you, who think this Iraq war is going smashingly and was totally just and worth it. Bush dug himself this hole and it's crazy for you to try to be excusing him out of it by pinning his failures on some sort of pretend "hypocrisy" by Democrats.

[Spider]

I don't understand what's wrong about refocusing our efforts and trying to win a war that nobody argued was the wrong one and have been screaming all along that we have been losing. The Pakistan, Afghanistan front is where we should have been all along, and had Bush actually kept his focus there and done what we were supposed to, then you wouldn't see nearly the distrust or anger.

It's true that a lot of people didn't like Bush even from the beginning, but after 911 and at the beginning of the war in Afghanistan his approval ratings were soaring. People were behind him, including our allies. It wasn't until he and his oil buddies peeled off and started a war that had was not provoked and based on a lot of false information that people stared getting leery of our presideent and using terms like "warmonger" and questioning his intentions. You can imagine it another way, but the approval rating numbers don't support it, and stop blaming it on the Democrats. Please go find me more than 3 Republicans, other than you, who think this Iraq war is going smashingly and was totally just and worth it. Bush dug himself this hole and it's crazy for you to try to be excusing him out of it by pinning his failures on some sort of pretend "hypocrisy" by Democrats.

;D very well said

[DarkHorse30]

I don't understand what's wrong about refocusing our efforts and trying to win a war that nobody argued was the wrong one and have been screaming all along that we have been losing. The Pakistan, Afghanistan front is where we should have been all along, and had Bush actually kept his focus there and done what we were supposed to, then you wouldn't see nearly the distrust or anger.

It's true that a lot of people didn't like Bush even from the beginning, but after 911 and at the beginning of the war in Afghanistan his approval ratings were soaring. People were behind him, including our allies. It wasn't until he and his oil buddies peeled off and started a war that had was not provoked and based on a lot of false information that people stared getting leery of our presideent and using terms like "warmonger" and questioning his intentions. You can imagine it another way, but the approval rating numbers don't support it, and stop blaming it on the Democrats. Please go find me more than 3 Republicans, other than you, who think this Iraq war is going smashingly and was totally just and worth it. Bush dug himself this hole and it's crazy for you to try to be excusing him out of it by pinning his failures on some sort of pretend "hypocrisy" by Democrats.

Iraq was fought for Bush's oil buddies....I love this drivel. So where is all that money they made off of the war?

Meanwhile Gore has an oscar and a nobel prize cached from his gigantic global warming fantasy.....and billions of dollars in carbon credit money from scared citizens that think they are harming the planet with every breath they take. Priceless :peace:

[BroncoBuff]

Change my ass LMMFAO

Bush gave Osama bin-Laden a free pass for seven years.

It's about time we had a president with the balls to finally avenge 9/11.


THAT'S the change, my friend.

[Spider]

Iraq was fought for Bush's oil buddies....I love this drivel. So where is all that money they made off of the war?

Meanwhile Gore has an oscar and a nobel prize cached from his gigantic global warming fantasy.....and billions of dollars in carbon credit money from scared citizens that think they are harming the planet with every breath they take. Priceless :peace:
Nice deflection ....... and the money from the oil ? what was the big oil company profits ?

[Spider]

Bush gave Osama bin-Laden a free pass for seven years.

It's about time we had a president with the balls to finally avenge 9/11.


THAT'S the change, my friend.

Yeah , Bush was supposed to be the tough one on terrorist , now Obama is doin what Bush failed to do ......maybe our friends on the right are in shock someone is actually doing what they said they would do

[BroncoBuff]

Um, no. The Court didn't appoint him to the Presidency. They ruled that the standards for vote counting cannot be changed during the election (which objectively speaking makes total sense!) and that the results from the third recount (he won all three of them) were to be considered final.

Right and wrong ... 99% of legal analysts agree that the Supreme Court erred in taking cert on that case, which was entirely a matter of state law. It was a mistake.

But Bush did win every recount, even the one finished after the SCOTUS ruling. He was the duly elected president in every sense.

[Dukes]

Nice deflection ....... and the money from the oil ? what was the big oil company profits ?

Who actually has contracts with Iraq for their oil?

[SureShot]

Whats with all the excitement over missile strikes? They didn't do **** under Clinton and I doubt they will now.

[Malcontent]

If Bush did it it would be "more war mongering" and people would suspect its oil related. There would be you tube movies to scary music about how it's all a plan for world domination and that we really live in a police state. Obama does it and unicorns are born and children everywhere pee pixie dust.:rofl:

Absolute truth!

[BroncoBuff]

Absolute truth!
Absolutely false.

Bush never did enough in Afghanistan, and he will go down in history as utterly failing to avenge 9/11 - which happened on his watch. That is a pretty crappy legacy, and nothing to be proud of. Certainbly unworthy to defend. Barack Obama is merely giving America its cajones back, by finally - FINALLY - avenging 9/11.

[Rohirrim]

Bush gave Osama bin-Laden a free pass for seven years.

It's about time we had a president with the balls to finally avenge 9/11.


THAT'S the change, my friend.

Hear, hear. :thumbs:

[Spider]

Who actually has contracts with Iraq for their oil?

Haliburton did , right when the war started , no bid contracts .........

[Garcia Bronco]

OBL has been dead for years. I can just about guarantee that with having spent five years on dialysis. Many people don't realize just what all is required to stay alive on dialysis. Just running the procedure at all requires a generous supply of absolutely clean and sterile water. If there are ANY harmful bacteria in the water supply, they get a free ride directly into your bloodstream -- and who knows where from there.

The power supply has to be equally steady. It's not a procedure that you really want to start, then stop, then start again.

The dietary requirements to maintain healthy body chemistry are really strict.

That doesn't even begin to mention the very expensive drugs necessary to stave off severe anemia and other debilitating conditions.

The average life expectancy for otherwise healthy people beginning on dialysis in their mid-40s is eight years. That number only goes steadily downward with increasing age and other medical conditions adding complications.

How long was OBL on dialysis before 9/11? And at what age did he start? The numbers just don't add up for him to still be alive.

Regards,
m.

Exacty. Many people don't know that about his condition. The odds of survival are not great in the wilderness. Add his condition into the equation and it's almost impossible.

[Alkazar]

I don't believe this crap! While I approve being forceful to chase down Osama, this idiot that got himself elected promised to "End" this war and now he's talking about starting his own. We shoulda just put McCain in office. At least he was honest about his intentions all along! Obama lied, either before or now, and you are all buying it, hook line and sinker!

[BroncoBuff]

Haliburton did , right when the war started , no bid contracts .........

Correct. These are not "oil contracts" per se, but they are huge .... really really really HUGE no-bid contracts to do military support and service jobs that military personnel had historically done for themselves, at one-tenth the cost to taxpayers ... e.g. housing, laundry, food prep, constrcution, maintenence/janitorial, security.

It is clear now for the record that the WMD scare was purposely exaggerated, mostly by Cheney in his many visits to Langley during that period. You don't actually believe a brilliant man like Dick Cheney went to war because of that drunk in the German prison named "Curveball" do you? Cheney's WAY too smart for that.

So then what was the reason for the war? Bush's oil friends? Spreading freedom? Avenging the hit Saddam put on Bush Sr.? Or maybe the following reason that's gaining more and more traction among serious mainstream historians: That huge defense contractors and multi-national corporation like Halliburton wanted profits and were able to make billions and billions and billions by constructing latrines, servicing jeeps and planes, preparing meals, running security for civilian contractorsd (Blackwater), etc... etc ...

Washington is choked full of lobbysist for all these corporations, and it's been 48 years since Eisenhower warned us of the "undue influence ... of the military-industrial complex."

[Spider]

I don't believe this crap! While I approve being forceful to chase down Osama, this idiot that got himself elected promised to "End" this war and now he's talking about starting his own. We shoulda just put McClain in office. At least he was honest about his intentions all along! Obama lied, either before or now, and you are all buying it, hook line and sinker

No he didnt ........ Pay attention ......Obama has always always said he wanted more troops into Afghanistan , it was Iraq Obama was talking about ........
damn .........What Rush Limbaugh does to you guys is criminal

[Spider]

you know in my line of work I dont get to see much T.V. I still have yet ot watch the Rachel Maddow show , and when I am home it is football or cartoons , hell I just saw the King of Queens for the first time today and someone told it has been Around since 1998 , so I dont get much exposure from TV , but the stupidity displayed on this thread is down right embarrassing ....... a guy with limited Media contact knows more then most of you 9-5 ers

[BroncoBuff]

No he didnt ........ Pay attention ......Obama has always always said he wanted more troops into Afghanistan , it was Iraq Obama was talking about ........
110% correct.

Obama has always strongly advocated more troops in Afghanistan ... from Day One in February 2007 when he announced his candidacy. He has never waivered on that, and he is now simply keeping his campaign promise.

Alkazar, the "end" to the war he promised was the IRAQ war, not Afghanistan.

[Alkazar]

No he didnt ........ Pay attention ......Obama has always always said he wanted more troops into Afghanistan , it was Iraq Obama was talking about ........
damn .........What Rush Limbaugh does to you guys is criminal

Wrong, the "War in Iraq" has been over for some time, the only war going on is the hunt for Osama. It's the liberal media that is filling you guys heads with lies and should be prosecuted and persecuted.

[Alkazar]

110% correct.

Obama has always strongly advocated more troops in Afghanistan ... from Day One in February 2007 when he announced his candidacy. He has never waivered on that, and he is now simply keeping his campaign promise.

Alkazar, the "end" to the war he promised was the IRAQ war, not Afghanistan.

Again WRONG, see my last post, the war in Iraq ended with the steamrolling of the Iraqi Army, the removal of Saddam Hussein as ruler, the installation of a Democratic form of government, and the capture of Saddam. The liberal media has you all believing thier lies. The only thing going on in Iraq is that we are helping to stablilize the country so the new Government can stand on its own feet. The war has been over for more than a year, just ask any military member.

[Spider]

Wrong, the "War in Iraq" has been over for some time, the only war going on is the hunt for Osama. It's the liberal media that is filling you guys heads with lies and should be prosecuted and persecuted.

you are so full of **** ...........and just to show you how full of **** or incredibly stupid your post is ......... http://www.google.com/search?q=Obama+said+he+would+invade+pakistan+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a .Deal with it .

[Mk69]

All Obama is doing is carrying on the Bush administration policy of missile strikes on Taliban & Al Quaeda leadership holed up in Pakistan. It's been going on for some time now (no sudden growth of cajones because of Obama) & I fully support it regardless of who ordered it.

Now if he'd only officially change the phrase "missile strike" to "federally funded overseas post-term abortion" he might even be able to get the Code Pinkos on board.

[cutthemdown]

I never got the impression from Obama that he wouldn't be affraid to get physical with terroist factions and countries.

Me either i'm very happy with Obama's posture towards AL Queda. Fire away baby.

[Mk69]

Who actually has contracts with Iraq for their oil?

China

[Spider]

China

they just signed ........ before the war no one really had a contract , oil for food program was going on , but during the war Haliburton had control

[bowtown]

Wrong, the "War in Iraq" has been over for some time, the only war going on is the hunt for Osama. It's the liberal media that is filling you guys heads with lies and should be prosecuted and persecuted.

Hey Alkazar, how many people do you know who were fighting over in Iraq? Any first hand accounts you'd like to lay out here for the jury or would you just prefer to spew propoganda and total fallacies out of your ass for a little longer?

[p7superfly]

The record setting profits for big oil cos, and defense contractors don't lie.

Neither does the ensuing bailout of the cream of Wall street - who profited from incentivizing, then re-selling effed up mortgages as bundled securities... then got the Federal Golden Parachute.

Neither does the lack of border security - paramount to any SEMI-serious plan to end domestic terrorism.

The ensuing recession and the housing market were already being laid in 2003-2004 - during a Republican Congress, Senate and President. They left their Republican roots as soon as they got a second term, secretly stripped us of civil liberties, and privacy domestically, and essentially funneled trillions of tax payer dollars through their own 'nets' of companies.

I'm a Republican and even I see this ****. We're paying for it now. 45,000 jobs lost today from Blue Chip American Companies. Gear up. It'll get worse.

[DarkHorse30]

Nice deflection ....... and the money from the oil ? what was the big oil company profits ?

140 a barrel. Supply and demand shouldn't really be a difficult concept for a trucker.

[Spider]

140 a barrel. Supply and demand shouldn't really be a difficult concept for a trucker.

do you really want ot go there dumb ass ? before you go lipping off and get totally clowned I moved Oil rigs for 5 years for a living .......

[DivineLegion]

I think this thread is really funny because both sides are representing truth but your arguing over opinion based on these truths. Its kind of like a bunch of Chiefs fans nothing but statistics into an argument with no tangable argument other than numbers.

Obama did say he was going to attack Pakistan with missiles in his first presidential debate with John McCain, look it up on youtube its like 6 min in.
However this is also the subject that John McCain made Obama look like a fool because despite the fact we started off ruff in Afganistan, ever since we had a change in command in the region we have turned the tide and the overall outlook of the region is looking promising. We have strict treaties with the Pakistany government stating we would not interfere with their affairs as long as they aided us to their full capacity. This is a direct violation of our treaty and puts us on the brink of a third war. Conspiracy theorists are going to go nuts over this one, the Right is going to call Obama a hypocrite, and the Left is going to do everything they can to make this seem ligament. Let the fire works begin folks!

[epicSocialism4tw]

I think this thread is really funny because both sides are representing truth but your arguing over opinion based on these truths. Its kind of like a bunch of Chiefs fans nothing but statistics into an argument with no tangable argument other than numbers.

Obama did say he was going to attack Pakistan with missiles in his first presidential debate with John McCain, look it up on youtube its like 6 min in.
However this is also the subject that John McCain made Obama look like a fool because despite the fact we started off ruff in Afganistan, ever since we had a change in command in the region we have turned the tide and the overall outlook of the region is looking promising. We have strict treaties with the Pakistany government stating we would not interfere with their affairs as long as they aided us to their full capacity. This is a direct violation of our treaty and puts us on the brink of a third war. Conspiracy theorists are going to go nuts over this one, the Right is going to call Obama a hypocrite, and the Left is going to do everything they can to make this seem ligament. Let the fire works begin folks!

I could hardly believe it when I read it today.

I found it strange that this hasnt been widely reported in the mainstream US media. I know some people in India, and this is a HUGE deal there. In both India and Pakistan they are unnerved and on edge about this. People are in an uproar.

This happened on the 23rd and not a peep about it stateside.

This kind of stuff dislodges alliances. Not very bright.

Bush went out of his way to develop and maintain alliances in the region (Saudis, Pakistanis, Israel, Jordan, Syria, etc), and Barack Obama begins his presidency with a preemptive strike across the border into Pakistani sovereign territory...it looks like he isnt interested in working the diplomacy angle. This is exactly the opposite of the image that he portrayed to Iran during the election cycle.

Heavy-handed pre-emptive strikes? That might be a characteristic of the Obama doctrine as well as the Bush doctrine.

[BroncoBuff]

Again WRONG, see my last post, the war in Iraq ended with the steamrolling of the Iraqi Army, the removal of Saddam Hussein as ruler, the installation of a Democratic form of government, and the capture of Saddam. The liberal media has you all believing thier lies. The only thing going on in Iraq is that we are helping to stablilize the country so the new Government can stand on its own feet. The war has been over for more than a year, just ask any military member.
Alkazar, believe me when I tell you that Barack Obama promised to end the war in Iraq - or at least bring U.S. troops home or redeploy them to Afghanistan - within a period of perhaps 16 months into his presidency depending on conditions.

That's what he has said all along. He has never waivered.


And believe me when I tell you that Barack Obama has always said that we "took our eye off the ball" in Afghanistan, and that more troops and resources need to be deployed there to "finish the job."

That's what he has said all along. He has never waivered.

These are facts, you can believe them or not.

[DivineLegion]

Alkazar, believe me when I tell you that Barack Obama promised to end the war in Iraq - or at least bring U.S. troops home or redeploy them to Afghanistan - within a period of perhaps 16 months into his presidency depending on conditions.

That's what he has said all along. He has never waivered.


And believe me when I tell you that Barack Obama has always said that we "took our eye off the ball" in Afghanistan, and that more troops and resources need to be deployed there to "finish the job."

That's what he has said all along. He has never waivered.

These are facts, you can believe them or not.

But we didn't take our eye off the ball in Afghanistan and Iraq is in a state of dismay far beyond that of Afghanistan. You need to step outside of your post election honey moon daze and see whats going on. Yes Obama went through with one of his promises he made during his campaign, but he also went through with the most scrutinized and strategically backwards idea he proposed.

Iraq is in a state of resurgent limbo while Afghanistan has been beaten into a medieval resurgence with the amount of destruction that has transpired. Afghanistan is with out a doubt the lesser of two evils at this point, and thats why we have "taken our eye of it", however by taking our eye off of it does not entail us neglecting it. By no means have we neglected a strategic war zone, do you really think that the US Chain of Command is that stupid. Yes the President is the commander and chief, but the Generals make the strategic decisions not the president. I think you watch a little to much Colbert report, so much so in fact you have this daunting image of Bush sitting in the oval office playing a game of Risk with the United States Military. Maybe if you filled your time with intelligent inquisition into current political affairs instead of filling your head with mindless political comedy.

[mhgaffney]

If Bush did it it would be "more war mongering" and people would suspect its oil related. There would be you tube movies to scary music about how it's all a plan for world domination and that we really live in a police state. Obama does it and unicorns are born and children everywhere pee pixie dust.:rofl:

No, Kaylore, it's the same old craziness.

The only question is whether Obama's presidency will be ruined by Afghanistan -- or by the economic meltdown. Take your pick.

Things can get a lot worse. We ain't seen nothing yet.

MHG

[Broncos_OTM]

Do you make up history to feel better ? they went in for WMD ....... Not terrorism ......



better then nothing ............

1. They never found any WMD.

2. After 911 Afghanistan was the enemy. Hussien didnt want no part of Bin Laden destabalizeing his country.

Thats like going to look for toilet paper in the kitchen..

[sirhcyennek81]

1. They never found any WMD.

2. After 911 Afghanistan was the enemy. Hussien didnt want no part of Bin Laden destabalizeing his country.

Thats like going to look for toilet paper in the kitchen..


Afghanistan was not the enemy. The Taliban was because they actively allowed terrorists to use their territory.

Hussein was crazy, and why you think he wouldnt help the enemy of his enemy is beyond me. He also funded Palestinian terror groups.

There was never any way short of invading Iraq to find out if they had WMD. Clearly the media and the entire world believed he had these weapons.

:Broncos:

[Garcia Bronco]

Afghanistan was not the enemy. The Taliban was because they actively allowed terrorists to use their territory.

Hussein was crazy, and why you think he wouldnt help the enemy of his enemy is beyond me. He also funded Palestinian terror groups.

There was never any way short of invading Iraq to find out if they had WMD. Clearly the media and the entire world believed he had these weapons.

:Broncos:

People also foirget the Iraq was NOT compling with UN weapons inspections, and UN members were violating it's own sanctions. It's crazy.

[Meck77]

Great let's spread Israel's war into Pakistan. Make no mistake the war against the Muslims was birthed in Israel and we've been sucked in and continue to make BIGGER and BIGGER mistakes.

[sirhcyennek81]

Great let's spread Israel's war into Pakistan. Make no mistake the war against the Muslims was birthed in Israel and we've been sucked in and continue to make BIGGER and BIGGER mistakes.


Yeah...a country the size of delaware fighting for its right to exist, making war on a region the size of the US and Mexico, with a population of 6 million vs 300 million + just makes so much sense...I guess the ARABS attacking the state of israel in 1948 means the Jews started it first, right?



:Broncos:

[Meck77]

Yeah...a country the size of delaware fighting for its right to exist, making war on a region the size of the US and Mexico, with a population of 6 million vs 300 million + just makes so much sense...I guess the ARABS attacking the state of israel in 1948 means the Jews started it first, right?



:Broncos:

Perhaps a history lesson is in order.... Israel has been at war since then and the war has only spread costing America TRILLIONS and most importantly lives. While Americans go homeless and hungry our government continues to ship BILLIONS of dollars so Israel can fight it's wars and take care of it's people. What about America? What has Israel done for America lately besides get us involved in their conflicts. With ever Muslim that dies the Anti-American hate goes up that much. The war against the Muslims didn't start in Chicago. It started in Israel no matter how much you want to distort the facts.


In 1947, the United Nations approved the partition of Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab.[9] On May 14, 1948 the state of Israel declared independence and this was followed by a war with the surrounding Arab states, which refused to accept the plan. The Israelis were subsequently victorious in a series of wars confirming their independence and expanding the borders of the Jewish state beyond those in the UN Partition Plan. Since then, Israel has been in conflict with many of the neighboring Arab countries, resulting in several major wars and decades of violence that continue to this day.[10] Since its foundation, Israel's boundaries and the State's right to exist have been subject to dispute, especially among its Arab neighbors and their many Palestinian refugees. Israel has signed peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan, though efforts for a long-lasting peace with the Palestinians have so far been unsuccessful. In 1947, the United Nations approved the partition of Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab.[9] On May 14, 1948 the state of Israel declared independence and this was followed by a war with the surrounding Arab states, which refused to accept the plan. The Israelis were subsequently victorious in a series of wars confirming their independence and expanding the borders of the Jewish state beyond those in the UN Partition Plan. Since then, Israel has been in conflict with many of the neighboring Arab countries, resulting in several major wars and decades of violence that continue to this day.[10] Since its foundation, Israel's boundaries and the State's right to exist have been subject to dispute, especially among its Arab neighbors and their many Palestinian refugees. Israel has signed peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan, though efforts for a long-lasting peace with the Palestinians have so far been unsuccessful.

[Alkazar]

Here's the difference... Obama is targeting Pakistan. Bush was targeting Iraq.

Despite the fact that both of these countries are in the middle east, it does not mean that they are one in the same..

And i'm assuming that no american lives were lost upon missile launch, unless the pilot went to the John McCain school of "How to Properly Fire a Missile: And How (When) Not To"
The McCain statement is totally stupid. McCain was in a plane on deck when ANOTHER plane accidentally fired a missile into McCain's plane or one next to his. He was lucky to get out alive. To claim he was the one who mistakenly fired the missile is assinine.

[sirhcyennek81]

Perhaps a history lesson is in order.... Israel has been at war since then and the war has only spread costing America TRILLIONS and most importantly lives. While Americans go homeless and hungry our government continues to ship BILLIONS of dollars so Israel can fight it's wars and take care of it's people. What about America? What has Israel done for America lately besides get us involved in their conflicts. With ever Muslim that dies the Anti-American hate goes up that much. The war against the Muslims didn't start in Chicago. It started in Israel no matter how much you want to distort the facts.


In 1947, the United Nations approved the partition of Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab.[9] On May 14, 1948 the state of Israel declared independence and this was followed by a war with the surrounding Arab states, which refused to accept the plan. The Israelis were subsequently victorious in a series of wars confirming their independence and expanding the borders of the Jewish state beyond those in the UN Partition Plan. Since then, Israel has been in conflict with many of the neighboring Arab countries, resulting in several major wars and decades of violence that continue to this day.[10] Since its foundation, Israel's boundaries and the State's right to exist have been subject to dispute, especially among its Arab neighbors and their many Palestinian refugees. Israel has signed peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan, though efforts for a long-lasting peace with the Palestinians have so far been unsuccessful. In 1947, the United Nations approved the partition of Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab.[9] On May 14, 1948 the state of Israel declared independence and this was followed by a war with the surrounding Arab states, which refused to accept the plan. The Israelis were subsequently victorious in a series of wars confirming their independence and expanding the borders of the Jewish state beyond those in the UN Partition Plan. Since then, Israel has been in conflict with many of the neighboring Arab countries, resulting in several major wars and decades of violence that continue to this day.[10] Since its foundation, Israel's boundaries and the State's right to exist have been subject to dispute, especially among its Arab neighbors and their many Palestinian refugees. Israel has signed peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan, though efforts for a long-lasting peace with the Palestinians have so far been unsuccessful.


Balfour agreement between arabs and jews after ww1 when Palestine was a British mandate agreed to seperate it into Jewish and Arab states. That supercedes the UN agreement, and in either case a Jewish state was agreed to by the arabs. Israelis simply did what they agreed to in 1919. But blame the Jews, arabs never do anything wrong. The "palestinians" are suffering now, because in 1948 they refused to allow the refugees from the arab war on Israel into their territory, instead keeping them locked up in camps to die. Its easier to blame the Israelis then for middle eastern arabs to actually absorb the "palestinians".

I find it sad that Israel, a country the size of Delaware is the one that has to cede territory to create a palestinian state. Why cant Syria? How will withdrawing to the 1967 borders stop attacks on the Israelis when Hamas' defining characteristic is the destruction of the Jewish state?

:Broncos:

[Hotrod]

http://redstatepatriot.com/McCain.JPG

[Spider]

1. They never found any WMD. Nope , never even came close

2. After 911 Afghanistan was the enemy. Hussien didnt want no part of Bin Laden destabalizeing his country. Bingo ....... not alot of ME countries didnt want Bin Laden around , iraq , Iran , Saudi Arabia , Egypt , Jordan , Turkey , etc ........

Thats like going to look for toilet paper in the kitchen..

;D you keep your toilet paper there also ? I love confusing house guest like that ;D

[Alkazar]

I just about fell into the same trap again the caused me to leave the board previously, the tendency to fling insults at anyone who disagrees with your opinions and the ignoring of facts so that you can keep your opinion going. I'm sorry Spider, I always thought better of you, and yes, I am just as guilty of flinging the insults, and for that I apologize. Whether what you posted had any basis in fact is lost behind the unnecessary insults you started flinging. This is my last post on this thread and I will stay away from all political threads in the future as I refuse to get into arguments with people who refuse to listen to facts.

[Bronx33]

Allies? I wouldn't go that far. India is our number one ally in that region.


Agreed pakistan is full of two faced dirt bags they say they will help and do what it takes and turn around and do the complete opposite or have no control of areas in their own damn country.

[Spider]

I just about fell into the same trap again the caused me to leave the board previously, the tendency to fling insults at anyone who disagrees with your opinions and the ignoring of facts so that you can keep your opinion going. I'm sorry Spider, I always thought better of you, and yes, I am just as guilty of flinging the insults, and for that I apologize. Whether what you posted had any basis in fact is lost behind the unnecessary insults you started flinging. This is my last post on this thread and I will stay away from all political threads in the future as I refuse to get into arguments with people who refuse to listen to facts.

Dude , I provided links , where it was in the media of what was said about Afghanistan , Pakistan , and Iraq ........ you always thought better of me ? well then you havent been paying attention , I have zero to little tolerance for people who put party before country.......and i will insult someone that comes in and spits out false talking points , I never did see the need to be polite to someone that is wrong , and insists on being wrong no matter what .....

[Spider]

no see this isnt about what anyone thinks , or anyone's opinion , this is about what actually happened , Now you can disagree with the action or what was said , but you are not entitled to make up your own facts ......
let me put it like this , Bush says I am invading Iraq and does it , I can agree or disagree with that action , but what I cant do is say Bush said he would not Invade Iraq , then does it .......

[NUB]

It's not insulting when you bring it upon yourself. If you stay stupid **** and someone points out you stay stupid ****, is it really an insult?

[Tombstone RJ]

Balfour agreement between arabs and jews after ww1 when Palestine was a British mandate agreed to seperate it into Jewish and Arab states. That supercedes the UN agreement, and in either case a Jewish state was agreed to by the arabs. Israelis simply did what they agreed to in 1919. But blame the Jews, arabs never do anything wrong. The "palestinians" are suffering now, because in 1948 they refused to allow the refugees from the arab war on Israel into their territory, instead keeping them locked up in camps to die. Its easier to blame the Israelis then for middle eastern arabs to actually absorb the "palestinians".

I find it sad that Israel, a country the size of Delaware is the one that has to cede territory to create a palestinian state. Why cant Syria? How will withdrawing to the 1967 borders stop attacks on the Israelis when Hamas' defining characteristic is the destruction of the Jewish state?

:Broncos:

word

[bowtown]

I just about fell into the same trap again the caused me to leave the board previously, the tendency to fling insults at anyone who disagrees with your opinions and the ignoring of facts so that you can keep your opinion going. I'm sorry Spider, I always thought better of you, and yes, I am just as guilty of flinging the insults, and for that I apologize. Whether what you posted had any basis in fact is lost behind the unnecessary insults you started flinging. This is my last post on this thread and I will stay away from all political threads in the future as I refuse to get into arguments with people who refuse to listen to facts.

What facts? You haven't laid out a single fact in this entire thread.

[Bronx33]

Again talking politics leads to nothing ( go figure) just another example of why nothing ever works.

[UberBroncoMan]

and this thread is why I don't care if humanity dies off. We're nothing but a culture of greedy lemmings filled with hypocrisy and the inability to see the whole picture when it doesn't conform to a narrow viewpoint.

This is pointed at everyone, not one side. As far as I'm concerned both sides are stupid. This country needs a change... an change from the two corrupt filled parties that actually cares about the people without babying them.

[Houshyamama]

Do you make up history to feel better ? they went in for WMD ....... Not terrorism ......



better then nothing ............


Is WMD some kind of acronym for oil?

[bowtown]

and this thread is why I don't care if humanity dies off. We're nothing but a culture of greedy lemmings filled with hypocrisy and the inability to see the whole picture when it doesn't conform to a narrow viewpoint.

I remember feeling like this all the time when I was 14. I wrote a lot of poetry and listened to terrible music... then I discovered girls and drugs... trust me things are going to be okay.

[barryr]

People also foirget the Iraq was NOT compling with UN weapons inspections, and UN members were violating it's own sanctions. It's crazy.

Nah, facts like that ruin a good story. Like the idea that Bush wanted to rule the world, well, for 8 years, wanted the oil all to himself and buddies forever, well for 8 years, no, wanted an excuse for a war just for the heck of it. Yeah, that sounds more reasonable. :approve:

[bowtown]

Nah, facts like that ruin a good story. Like the idea that Bush wanted to rule the world, well, for 8 years, wanted the oil all to himself and buddies forever, well for 8 years, no, wanted an excuse for a war just for the heck of it. Yeah, that sounds more reasonable. :approve:

Well I remember that fact, and I also remember North Korea and Iran not complying with weapon inspectors. I also remember that that the UN inspectors urged for more time and diplomacy, and that Blix even offered up a report a month earlier siting Iraq's increased cooperation. Then I remember us bypassing even putting it to a vote with the Security Counsel, because we knew it would only ever get a total of 4 votes when it needed 9 of 15 memebers to accept. I then remember us unlatterally starting a war that really never should have been started in the first place, based on evidence that was then later proven to be altered, exagerated, or simply missing. But don't get facts get in the way of your stupid little story.

I honestly can't believe that there is anyone still out there trying to justify or argue that this war should have happened.

[sirhcyennek81]

Well I remember that fact, and I also remember North Korea and Iran not complying with weapon inspectors. I also remember that that the UN inspectors urged for more time and diplomacy, and that Blix even offered up a report a month earlier siting Iraq's increased cooperation. Then I remember us bypassing even putting it to a vote with the Security Counsel, because we knew it would only ever get a total of 4 votes when it needed 9 of 15 memebers to accept. I then remember us unlatterally starting a war that really never should have been started in the first place, based on evidence that was then later proven to be altered, exagerated, or simply missing. But don't get facts get in the way of your stupid little story.

I honestly can't believe that there is anyone still out there trying to justify or argue that this war should have happened.


So its ok for nations to ignore 18 UN resolutions condemning the stockpiling and research into weapons of mass destruction? What needed to happen? For Hussein to sell a weapon to Hamas who turns around and sells it to Al Qaeda so they can detonate it in Berlin or London or DC?

Also, opposition votes to going into Iraq were due to the Russians, Germans and French selling dual use technology to Iraq for sweetheart oil deals...but keep thinking only BUSH wanted Iraqi oil and resources, or to avenge daddy, or whatever nonsense BS the left came up with.

:Broncos:

[epicSocialism4tw]

So its ok for nations to ignore 18 UN resolutions condemning the stockpiling and research into weapons of mass destruction? What needed to happen? For Hussein to sell a weapon to Hamas who turns around and sells it to Al Qaeda so they can detonate it in Berlin or London or DC?

Also, opposition votes to going into Iraq were due to the Russians, Germans and French selling dual use technology to Iraq for sweetheart oil deals...but keep thinking only BUSH wanted Iraqi oil and resources, or to avenge daddy, or whatever nonsense BS the left came up with.

:Broncos:

Saddam thumbed his nose at the UN as many times as he could. The US had enough of the UN and decided to ensure security using their own unilateral actions.

People seem to have no memory of what happened. The US formed a base of allies for support, and went in to take care of the job.

[Broncos_OTM]

Afghanistan was not the enemy. The Taliban was because they actively allowed terrorists to use their territory.

Hussein was crazy, and why you think he wouldnt help the enemy of his enemy is beyond me. He also funded Palestinian terror groups.

There was never any way short of invading Iraq to find out if they had WMD. Clearly the media and the entire world believed he had these weapons.

:Broncos:Actually the talinban ran the country so we can split hairs if you really want.

[Broncos_OTM]

Yeah...a country the size of delaware fighting for its right to exist, making war on a region the size of the US and Mexico, with a population of 6 million vs 300 million + just makes so much sense...I guess the ARABS attacking the state of israel in 1948 means the Jews started it first, right?



:Broncos:

Acrtually "isreal" started the six day war...Most of the Isrealis that fled Russia and germany after the war brought alot of there thoughts along with them.. communism... Socialism....

[sirhcyennek81]

Acrtually "isreal" started the six day war...Most of the Isrealis that fled Russia and germany after the war brought alot of there thoughts along with them.. communism... Socialism....



You do know that Israel attacked first because both Syria and Egypt had mobilized their militaries and were going to attack? Its called pre-emptive defense. Also, what does the war in 1967 have to do with the Arabs attacking Israel in 1948?

Alot of Russian and German Jews came here, too. If you are going to give me a lecture on history, please present the entire picture, rather than the idiocy you believe proves your moronic point.

:Broncos:

[sirhcyennek81]

Actually the talinban ran the country so we can split hairs if you really want.


You are splitting hairs, you twit. You are taking issue with MY point...

:Broncos:

[cutthemdown]

Pakistan just formerly asked Obama to halt the drone attacks. This will be Obamas first big test IMO.

Stand firm against Pakistan there military is not our friends. I get the feeling that the govt of pakistan and the military aren't always on the same page.

The fact the militants are turning against the villagers, and that the pakistani govt is so adamant trying to stop the attacks, tells me these drones are really getting to them. They work, they are affordable, we can;t lose a single airman operating them.

It must be really disheartening for militants in Pakistan and Afghanistan to know they aren't safe even in the mountainous hideouts and caves. The drones can easily fly around all day waiting for them to step outside.

I can't even begin to say how much i love the idea of use drones.

[cutthemdown]

Acrtually "isreal" started the six day war...Most of the Isrealis that fled Russia and germany after the war brought alot of there thoughts along with them.. communism... Socialism....

You need to read up a little more. Just because you strike first doesn't mean you started it. Troops and tanks were massed at the borders and Israel made the right move in attacking.

The Arabs tried to destroy Israel no question about it. Israel never tried to destroy Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, Syria they merely stood up to them.

The Palestinians did get a raw deal, but the arab countries didn't do them any favors in attacking Israel.

[driver]

If he wants Osama (if he is actually still alive) he will need boots on the ground. Period end of story.

Truth! Thats the way IT's always been! Let the ARMY and MARINES do it! but get off their backs and let them fight the way they're supposed to. No more kinder gentler wars!

[sirhcyennek81]

You need to read up a little more. Just because you strike first doesn't mean you started it. Troops and tanks were massed at the borders and Israel made the right move in attacking.

The Arabs tried to destroy Israel no question about it. Israel never tried to destroy Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Egypt, Jordan, Syria they merely stood up to them.

The Palestinians did get a raw deal, but the arab countries didn't do them any favors in attacking Israel.


In fact, you can trace current Palestinian misery to the arabs in 1948. They were truly stuck between a rock and a hard place.


:Broncos:

[driver]

Is WMD some kind of acronym for oil?

No it's an acronym for 500 tons of yellow cake uranium stored at the airport in Baghdad! The same uranium that no one would report about until they had driven Bush's approval rating into the toilet! All Saddam had to do is load that shi_t onto a scud, bam no one would be able to live in Tel Aviv again in our life time! You need to get your facts straight! Quit buying the LIBERAL political party line! Get your facts from more than 1 source! Think a little bit please!

[bowtown]

No it's an acronym for 500 tons of yellow cake uranium stored at the airport in Baghdad! The same uranium that no one would report about until they had driven Bush's approval rating into the toilet! All Saddam had to do is load that shi_t onto a scud, bam no one would be able to live in Tel Aviv again in our life time! You need to get your facts straight! Quit buying the LIBERAL political party line! Get your facts from more than 1 source! Think a little bit please!

Dude, you are an idiot. That was uranium bought by Iraq back in 1981 from Niger. Everyone knew about it, it had been sitting around in their country for over a decade, and had been inspected several times by UN inspectors. It has nothing to do with the uranium or wmds that the Bush administration was refering to. It was in storage and under watch. It just had never been removed before because it's effing expensive to move that much uranium and you can't do anything with it without it being enriched first, which Iraq had no way of doing.

That's why it went largly unreported by the mainstream media, because it really hasn't been a story since 1981, but please keep fishing.

[Hotrod]

Dude, you are an idiot. That was uranium bought by Iraq back in 1981 from Niger. Everyone knew about it, it had been sitting around in their country for over a decade, and had been inspected several times by UN inspectors. It has nothing to do with the uranium or wmds that the Bush administration was refering to. It was in storage and under watch. It just had never been removed before because it's effing expensive to move that much uranium and you can't do anything with it without it being enriched first, which Iraq had no way of doing.

That's why it went largly unreported by the mainstream media, because it really hasn't been a story since 1981, but please keep fishing.

The weapons still exist. Saddam hid them in the Syrian desert everyone knows that.

[Dedhed]

Change my ass LMMFAO
I would say that going after the people ACTUALLY responsible for 9/11 is a significant change.

[Hotrod]

Pakistan just formerly asked Obama to halt the drone attacks. This will be Obamas first big test IMO.

Stand firm against Pakistan there military is not our friends. I get the feeling that the govt of pakistan and the military aren't always on the same page.

The fact the militants are turning against the villagers, and that the pakistani govt is so adamant trying to stop the attacks, tells me these drones are really getting to them. They work, they are affordable, we can;t lose a single airman operating them.

It must be really disheartening for militants in Pakistan and Afghanistan to know they aren't safe even in the mountainous hideouts and caves. The drones can easily fly around all day waiting for them to step outside.

I can't even begin to say how much i love the idea of use drones.

Agreed 100%

Barry better show them right off the bat he has balls of steel if not it will be a long 4 years.

[driver]

Dude, you are an idiot. That was uranium bought by Iraq back in 1981 from Niger. Everyone knew about it, it had been sitting around in their country for over a decade, and had been inspected several times by UN inspectors. It has nothing to do with the uranium or wmds that the Bush administration was refering to. It was in storage and under watch. It just had never been removed before because it's effing expensive to move that much uranium and you can't do anything with it without it being enriched first, which Iraq had no way of doing.

That's why it went largly unreported by the mainstream media, because it really hasn't been a story since 1981, but please keep fishing.

Dude you are a moron! I wasn't talking about an enriched nuke! I was talking about a dirty nuke or several to be exploded upwind of a target and radiate an area the size of denver!

[TheDave]

Dude you are a moron! I wasn't talking about an enriched nuke! I was talking about a dirty nuke or several to be exploded upwind of a target and radiate an area the size of denver!

Rush Limbaugh called... he wanted to thank you for your continued support. :thumbs:

[TailgateNut]

No it's an acronym for 500 tons of yellow cake uranium stored at the airport in Baghdad! The same uranium that no one would report about until they had driven Bush's approval rating into the toilet! All Saddam had to do is load that shi_t onto a scud, bam no one would be able to live in Tel Aviv again in our life time! You need to get your facts straight! Quit buying the LIBERAL political party line! Get your facts from more than 1 source! Think a little bit please!

Good grief, I thought the Bush Youth was extinct.

[bowtown]

Dude you are a moron! I wasn't talking about an enriched nuke! I was talking about a dirty nuke or several to be exploded upwind of a target and radiate an area the size of denver!

Tell me again how that has anything to do with the uranium that was locked in storage, that the UN had under surveillance and had known about for well over a decade, and that had absolutely nothing to do with any of the reasons, stated or otherwise, that we went in to Iraq?

[Spider]

No it's an acronym for 500 tons of yellow cake uranium stored at the airport in Baghdad! The same uranium that no one would report about until they had driven Bush's approval rating into the toilet! All Saddam had to do is load that shi_t onto a scud, bam no one would be able to live in Tel Aviv again in our life time! You need to get your facts straight! Quit buying the LIBERAL political party line! Get your facts from more than 1 source! Think a little bit please!

I am no nookler scientist ;D but there is more to a dirty bomb then yellow cake ...... when I first heard about this , I backed off my stance on Bush and damned if the yellow cake hasnt been watched since 91 .. ****ed again for believing in Bush ...... That Yellow cake in baghdad wasnt weapons grade

[driver]

I am no nookler scientist ;D but there is more to a dirty bomb then yellow cake ...... when I first heard about this , I backed off my stance on Bush and damned if the yellow cake hasnt been watched since 91 .. ****ed again for believing in Bush ...... That Yellow cake in baghdad wasnt weapons grade

It doesn't have to be weapons grade. It just has to be radioactive. The dust would be extremely hazardous.

[bowtown]

It doesn't have to be weapons grade. It just has to be radioactive. The dust would be extremely hazardous.

Yet would still lend absolutely no merit to your argument about the media, the Bush administration, or have anything to do with the Iraq war at all. Congratulations.

[watermock]

[The weapons still exist. Saddam hid them in the Syrian desert everyone knows that.

That is a fact.

I posted several pics from an old puter from debka

[watermock]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown
Pakistan just formerly asked Obama to halt the drone attacks. This will be Obamas first big test IMO.

Stand firm against Pakistan there military is not our friends. I get the feeling that the govt of pakistan and the military aren't always on the same page.

The fact the militants are turning against the villagers, and that the pakistani govt is so adamant trying to stop the attacks, tells me these drones are really getting to them. They work, they are affordable, we can;t lose a single airman operating them.

It must be really disheartening for militants in Pakistan and Afghanistan to know they aren't safe even in the mountainous hideouts and caves. The drones can easily fly around all day waiting for them to step outside.

I can't even begin to say how much i love the idea of use drones.




SkyNet the Bastards!

[jhat01]

Pakistan just formerly asked Obama to halt the drone attacks. This will be Obamas first big test IMO.

Stand firm against Pakistan there military is not our friends. I get the feeling that the govt of pakistan and the military aren't always on the same page.

The fact the militants are turning against the villagers, and that the pakistani govt is so adamant trying to stop the attacks, tells me these drones are really getting to them. They work, they are affordable, we can;t lose a single airman operating them.

It must be really disheartening for militants in Pakistan and Afghanistan to know they aren't safe even in the mountainous hideouts and caves. The drones can easily fly around all day waiting for them to step outside.

I can't even begin to say how much i love the idea of use drones.


It's funny though..You'll find that 95% of the pilots flying these things HATE it. The Army is already going towards non rated dudes flying them. The AF will probably move that way too. It's demanding and most of the time boring as hell...but then BANG you're jacked up

[Spider]

It doesn't have to be weapons grade. It just has to be radioactive. The dust would be extremely hazardous.

If so , then how come it was never done ? 12 years of a window of opportunity ......

[driver]

If so , then how come it was never done ? 12 years of a window of opportunity ......

Can't say! I don't work at the Pentagon.
The following is all speculation but;
1...We were flying day and night sorties over Iraq from 91 until op Iraqi freedom was started in 03.
2... Saddam might have been afraid of Massive retaliation by US. Clinton did
order massive air strikes against Iraq in 96&97 to destroy WMD's.
3... The original plan might have been to use the uranium for enrichment to make nukes, but when the Israeli's destroyed his enrichment and containment facilities in the late 80's, who knows?

As for BOWMAN's argument no WMD's and press coverup? What is a WMD. How maney casualties are enough to earn a classification as a WMD. 1000 or 10000 or a Million? If that uranium had been processed by grinding it to a state of resperable dust 20 to 50 microns in size, all someone would have to do would be fly by upwind of a city and shovel it out the door. Mass casualties how about 100000 cases of lung cancer in 90 days.
Media coverup don't know, but the newsies certainly have better resources than I do! Media bias you bet they wanted Obama to win the Democratic
nomination, Proof The question Russert ask H. Cinton about drivers licenses for illegal aliens. Caught her off guard she lost to Obama right there.

p.s. Bias? Everyone knows how well loved the Bush administration was by our news media!

[bowtown]

Can't say! I don't work at the Pentagon.
The following is all speculation but;
1...We were flying day and night sorties over Iraq from 91 until op Iraqi freedom was started in 03.
2... Saddam might have been afraid of Massive retaliation by US. Clinton did
order massive air strikes against Iraq in 96&97 to destroy WMD's.
3... The original plan might have been to use the uranium for enrichment to make nukes, but when the Israeli's destroyed his enrichment and containment facilities in the late 80's, who knows?

As for BOWMAN's argument no WMD's and press coverup? What is a WMD. How maney casualties are enough to earn a classification as a WMD. 1000 or 10000 or a Million? If that uranium had been processed by grinding it to a state of resperable dust 20 to 50 microns in size, all someone would have to do would be fly by upwind of a city and shovel it out the door. Mass casualties how about 100000 cases of lung cancer in 90 days.
Media coverup don't know, but the newsies certainly have better resources than I do! Media bias you bet they wanted Obama to win the Democratic
nomination, Proof The question Russert ask H. Cinton about drivers licenses for illegal aliens. Caught her off guard she lost to Obama right there.

p.s. Bias? Everyone knows how well loved the Bush administration was by our news media!

You are totally missing my point. That uranium was a known quanitity for well over a decade. It was not viewed as a significant threat then or when we finally attacked. It was locked away and monitored. It had absolutley nothing to do with why we went into Iraq. It was not sited by the administration as a WMD or a reason for us to attack. If it had ever been a serious threat, don't you think the UN would have just gone in and removed it 10 years ago, or 9 years ago, or 8 years ago... etc? They had the power, it just wasn't viewed as a problem... so this uranium you speak of wasn't really a news story before the war started or after the war started, and it was really only a story of interest when it finally was moved because of how much money it cost to move and because Canada won the bid to move it. That is why it was not widely reported. There was no cover up, because you can't cover something up that everyone already knows about, except in your tiny little head.

[driver]

You are totally missing my point. That uranium was a known quanitity for well over a decade. It was not viewed as a significant threat then or when we finally attacked. It was locked away and

Why??? Who says it wasn't viewed as a serious threat? You?



monitored. It had absolutley nothing to do with why we went into Iraq. It was not sited by the administration as a WMD or a reason for us to attack. If it had ever been a serious threat, don't you think the UN would have just gone in and removed it 10 years ago, or 9 years ago, or 8 years ago... etc?

NO! They would've just wrung their hands and passed another resolution saying you are a bad boy, please stop????? pleeeaaasee? Resolution would have been #18??




They had the power, it just wasn't viewed as a problem... so this uranium you speak of wasn't really a news story before the war started or after the war started, and it was really only a story of interest when it finally was moved because of how much money it cost to move and because Canada won the bid to move it. That is why it was not widely reported. There was no cover up, because you can't cover something up that everyone already knows about, except in your tiny little head.


You can coverup anything by not mentioning it. The american public can be swayed by repitition easier than any other country. Example wmd's in press,
Britney Spears in the press. people knew more about who she porked every night than what kind of threats our country was faced with.

As for my tiny little head: at least it's the one sitting above my shoulders, not the one you have shoved up your smelly _ss!

[TheDave]

Micheal Savage just he called... He too would like to thank you for your support.

[mhgaffney]

Here is the bottom line:

1. Whether or not Osama was involved -- 9/11 was an inside job.

2. Therefor the US gov't lied to us about the original 2001 US attack on Afghanistan. The attack had nothing to do with Osama who BTW is almost certainly dead.

3. The longer we stay in central Asia -- the more dangerous the situation becomes. And the greater the likelihood it will end in a wider regional war -- possibly involving nukes.

4. The US is bankrupt (financially and morally). Every day the war continues the US economic and social mess will get worse.

5. The war will ruin the Obama presidency -- if it continues.

I take these truths to be self evident.

MHG

[Bronx33]

Here is the bottom line:

1. Whether or not Osama was involved -- 9/11 was an inside job.
2. Therefor the US gov't lied to us about the original 2001 US attack on Afghanistan. The attack had nothing to do with Osama who BTW is almost certainly dead.

3. The longer we stay in central Asia -- the more dangerous the situation becomes. And the greater the likelihood it will end in a wider regional war -- possibly involving nukes.

4. The US is bankrupt (financially and morally). Every day the war continues the US economic and social mess will get worse.

5. The war will ruin the Obama presidency -- if it continues.




I take these truths to be self evident.

MHG

That's where i stopped reading.

[W*GS]

Here is the bottom line:

1. Whether or not Osama was involved -- 9/11 was an inside job.

You're a ****ing retarded ****-fer-brains Nazi scumbag.

Who makes a living off the horrible deaths of others.

Go **** yourself.

[TheDave]

That's where i stopped reading.

Thats OK, all the rest of it was....

2. Buy my book

3. Read my book

4. But most importantly BUY MY BOOK!

[sirhcyennek81]

Here is the bottom line:

1. Whether or not Osama was involved -- 9/11 was an inside job.

2. Therefor the US gov't lied to us about the original 2001 US attack on Afghanistan. The attack had nothing to do with Osama who BTW is almost certainly dead.

3. The longer we stay in central Asia -- the more dangerous the situation becomes. And the greater the likelihood it will end in a wider regional war -- possibly involving nukes.

4. The US is bankrupt (financially and morally). Every day the war continues the US economic and social mess will get worse.

5. The war will ruin the Obama presidency -- if it continues.

I take these truths to be self evident.

MHG


Please do not quote the Declaration of Independence when you are espousing the 9/11 is an inside job mockery. It demeans the deaths of 8,000 people.

:Broncos:

[TheReverend]

Thats OK, all the rest of it was....

2. Buy my book

3. Read my book

4. But most importantly BUY MY BOOK!

No kidding. You people should buy MY book. 10 a poster. They make great gifts.

[BroncoBuff]

No it's an acronym for 500 tons of yellow cake uranium stored at the airport in Baghdad! The same uranium that no one would report about until they had driven Bush's approval rating into the toilet! All Saddam had to do is load that shi_t onto a scud, bam no one would be able to live in Tel Aviv again in our life time! You need to get your facts straight! Quit buying the LIBERAL political party line! Get your facts from more than 1 source! Think a little bit please!

Hard to take your admonition to "think!" seriously when you're defending George W. Bush. In defending Bush and any of his policies, you merely expose yourself as unrealistic and partisan. Fact is, the Iraq War, Bush and all of his policies were catastophic failures. He is easily the worst president we've had since Herbert Hoover.

[baja]

Hard to take your admonition to "think!" seriously when you're defending George W. Bush. In defending Bush and any of his policies, you merely expose yourself as unrealistic and partisan. Fact is, the Iraq War, Bush and all of his policies were catastophic failures. He is easily the worst president we've had since Herbert Hoover.

Man you're really dising poor old HH.

[baja]

Here is the bottom line:

1. Whether or not Osama was involved -- 9/11 was an inside job.

2. Therefor the US gov't lied to us about the original 2001 US attack on Afghanistan. The attack had nothing to do with Osama who BTW is almost certainly dead.

3. The longer we stay in central Asia -- the more dangerous the situation becomes. And the greater the likelihood it will end in a wider regional war -- possibly involving nukes.

4. The US is bankrupt (financially and morally). Every day the war continues the US economic and social mess will get worse.

5. The war will ruin the Obama presidency -- if it continues.

I take these truths to be self evident.

MHG

What do you mean morally bankrupt don't you watch "American Idol"?

[Spider]

You are totally missing my point. That uranium was a known quanitity for well over a decade. It was not viewed as a significant threat then or when we finally attacked. It was locked away and monitored. It had absolutley nothing to do with why we went into Iraq. It was not sited by the administration as a WMD or a reason for us to attack. If it had ever been a serious threat, don't you think the UN would have just gone in and removed it 10 years ago, or 9 years ago, or 8 years ago... etc? They had the power, it just wasn't viewed as a problem... so this uranium you speak of wasn't really a news story before the war started or after the war started, and it was really only a story of interest when it finally was moved because of how much money it cost to move and because Canada won the bid to move it. That is why it was not widely reported. There was no cover up, because you can't cover something up that everyone already knows about, except in your tiny little head.

Thanks ;D no need to repeat this post sums it all up well

[Spider]

Can't say! I don't work at the Pentagon.
The following is all speculation but;
1...We were flying day and night sorties over Iraq from 91 until op Iraqi freedom was started in 03.
2... Saddam might have been afraid of Massive retaliation by US. Clinton did
order massive air strikes against Iraq in 96&97 to destroy WMD's.
3... The original plan might have been to use the uranium for enrichment to make nukes, but when the Israeli's destroyed his enrichment and containment facilities in the late 80's, who knows?

As for BOWMAN's argument no WMD's and press coverup? What is a WMD. How maney casualties are enough to earn a classification as a WMD. 1000 or 10000 or a Million? If that uranium had been processed by grinding it to a state of resperable dust 20 to 50 microns in size, all someone would have to do would be fly by upwind of a city and shovel it out the door. Mass casualties how about 100000 cases of lung cancer in 90 days.
Media coverup don't know, but the newsies certainly have better resources than I do! Media bias you bet they wanted Obama to win the Democratic
nomination, Proof The question Russert ask H. Cinton about drivers licenses for illegal aliens. Caught her off guard she lost to Obama right there.

p.s. Bias? Everyone knows how well loved the Bush administration was by our news media!
Just so I am on the same page
we did fly overs , Saddam couldnt move weapons , then when Bush takes office Saddam becomes the Next Hitler ...... in a pretty short time span .. So then why not continue the fly overs if they worked ?