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TheManeMan
01-23-2009, 06:10 PM
All 32 teams ranked by current salary cap space against the 2009 limit of $123 million per club. They are ranked from most cap room (Tampa) to least (NY Jets). These figures are not exact, but after weeks of exhaustive research at the NFLPA website, NFLMedia, ESPN, FOX, & local newspaper sites, they are pretty close. Detailed free agency & contract info included.

by John Miller, Draftsharks.com

1. Tampa Bay -- $42m under – New GM Mark Dominik steps into the fallout from one of the worst collapses in history. The Bucs were 9-3 and cruising. They finished 9-7 and out of the playoffs, losing in Week 17 to ex-coach Jon Gruden’s ex-team, the Oakland Raiders. Every team since 1993 that started 9-3 had made the playoffs until now. Time to get younger. DE Kevin Carter, LB Derrick Brooks, and CB Ronde Barber are turning 36, 36, and 34. Can they lock up free-agent WR Antonio Bryant now that his mentor Gruden was canned? He’ll test the market. QBs Jeff Garcia, Brian Griese, and Luke McCown will all be gone. Classic rebuilding mode here.

2. Arizona -- $41m under – Charley Casserly quoted this astounding figure on CBS last week. It’s kind of deceiving because few teams have as many big names to re-sign. They only have 37 players under contract this year. QB Kurt Warner, DE Bert Berry, DE Antonio Smith and LB Karlos Dansby are free agents. Would Warner stay on a discount so he can stay with Larry Fitzgerald? Obviously WR Anquan Boldin wants more money. WR Steve Breaston warrants an extension. They can cut RB Edgerrin James and DE Chike Okeafor and free up $7m. Overall there’s no reason why Arizona can’t sign studs like DE Terrell Suggs (who went to ASU), C/G Jason Brown (another stud Raven), and maybe RB Darren Sproles (change-up for Hightower?).

3. Denver -- $34m under – New coach Josh McDaniels has needs everywhere, primarily on defense. This unit could see a massive slash-fest that frees up another $15m or so, giving them near $50m to spend! S Marlon McCree, S Marquand Manuel, LB Nate Webster, LB Boss Bailey, DE Ebenezer Ekuban, & DT Dewayne Robertson are just 6 of maybe 10-12 defense cap-cuts. McDaniels won’t leave offense off his wish list since he’s holding a platinum credit card. Free-agent RB Derrick Ward is a perfect fit. They have 2 great WRs in Brandon Marshall & Eddie Royal, but what about adding WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh? McDaniels witnessed T.J. burning New England for 26 catches, 340 yards and 1 TD in the last 3 meetings.

4. Kansas City -- $33m under – The youngest club in the league last year, and the stingiest too. “Astonishingly, the Kansas City Chiefs elected to not carry forward almost $22m of available cap room to 2009, preferring to leave their money on the table in 2008, never to be used again,” writes Michael Lombardi of the National Football Post. New GM Scott Pioli has complete control of operations & personnel and only answers to owner Clark Hunt. You can bet Pioli has the green light to spend – and this cap money plus the 3rd overall pick attracted him to the job. The real question is: What does he do with Larry Johnson?

5. Tennessee -- $31m under – DT Albert Haynesworth is this year’s big prize. They can’t franchise him again because of incentive clauses. Insiders say Haynesworth likes Nashville and might stay on a hometown discount but that’s unlikely. 2-3 other teams will offer tongue-dropping cash and he will leave. QB Vince Young’s cap figure is a manageable $4.6m but it jumps to $14.2m in 2010. If they cut Young it’s a $7.7m cap hit. Owner Bud Adams won’t give up on the flaky kid. Overall the Titans are not big shoppers so don’t look for major splashes. Note: C Kevin Mawae is 38. You know the Titans would love to pry free-agent C Jeff Saturday away from Indy.

6. Miami -- $28m under – Free-agent DE Julius Peppers is linked to the Dolphins in trade rumors. Miami has the cash and also an extra 2nd-rounder (from sending DE Jason Taylor to the Skins) so it’s possible. However, they’d have to part with their 1st rounder - 26th overall - this year too. Miami has some free agents to re-sign like S Yeremiah Bell, LB Channing Crowder, & CB Andre Goodman. OT Vernon Carey is also a free agent but he’ll be offered more money by someone else, if only for his versatility. S Renaldo Hill will probably walk too.

7. Buffalo -- $27m under – They can free up at least $10m more by slicing off some defensive fat, guys like S Ko Simpson, DE Chris Kelsay, DT John McCargo, etc. The Bills have a lot of UFAs to consider re-signing, however: C/G Duke Preston, CB Jabari Greer, LB Angelo Crowell, G Jason Whittle, and T Kirk Chambers. RB Fred Jackson is an exclusive rights free agent, which means they can keep him affordably – though he deserves a nice extension right now. They still gotta hammer out a mega-deal with OT Jason Peters.

8. Detroit -- $26m under – New coach Jim Schwartz is no dummy. The Lions have nowhere to go but up from 0-16. They have two 1st rounders, two 3rd rounders, and 5 of the top-82 picks overall. Owner William Clay Ford will spend money. And they could have way more than $26m in cap room – after trimming off CB Leigh Bodden, QB Daunte Culpepper, S Dwight Smith, TE Dan Campbell & G Edwin Mulitalo. This roster is in for a major overhaul and could be loaded with stud rookies and free agents.

9. San Francisco -- $26m under – In 2007 and 2008 the 49ers were top-3 in cap room, so they’re still hanging in there nicely. They can cut QB Alex Smith and OT Jonas Jennings and free up $7.3 million more. Smith is coming off the busted shoulder and simply isn’t a great player. Jennings has missed all or parts of 47 games the last 4 years. DE Justin Smith’s big contract last year has a bloated cap figure for 2009 - $10.5 million – but they’ll let it ride. Ninersnation.com is clamoring for the team to land free-agent DE Terrell Suggs at all costs.

10. Houston -- $25m under – Cutting S Will Demps, RB Ahman Green, LB Morlon Greenwood and DE Anthony Weaver could add more space to this figure. Defense and offensive line are always the big need, despite using six 1st-round picks on these two areas since 2004. The fans want free-agent DE Julius Peppers but he wants to be in a 3-4 scheme so that rules Houston out. Plus they don’t want to give up the 15th pick. DE Chris Canty (Cowboys) and LB Bart Scott (Ravens) are great fits. S Brian Dawkins could be a sneaky grab who lends valuable leadership to a young defense.

11. Philadelphia -- $25m under – The big question is what do they do with Donovan McNabb? He counts $10.3 million on the cap. If they trade him it would free up $9.2 million in cap space (with only $1.1m left on the books). S Brian Dawkins, OT Tra Thomas, OT Jon Runyan, RB Correll Buckhalter and S Sean Considine are free agents. They can cut TE L.J. Smith and CB Lito Sheppard to free up $5m. Bust WR Reggie Brown is staying because they take a $3m hit if they release him.

12. Cincinnati -- $22m under – Owner Mike Brown must be overcome with grief. QB Carson Palmer, WR Chad Johnson, and OT Levi Jones were all in the top-6 highest paid at their positions – and the Bengals were last in scoring, yards, and yards per play. They franchised RT Stacey Andrews last season after failing to sign him to a long-term deal for the 2nd straight year. This year they might franchise WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh at $7.85m guaranteed for 1 year. Overall none of this cap stuff matters to Cincy if Carson Palmer’s elbow is trashed. Stay tuned.

13. New England -- $21m under – This figure doesn’t count the (gulp) $14.8m one-year tender for Matt Cassel. If they tag Cassel they’ll have $28 million cap dollars tied up in 2 quarterbacks. However, they can make it work. DE Richard Seymour, OT Matt Light, WR Randy Moss, LB Adalius Thomas, and DE Jarvis Green have a combined $65m in cap charges – if 3 or 4 of those guys restructure it frees up $15m easily.

14. Minnesota -- $20m under – Last year the Vikings gave up a 1st & two 3rd-rounders for DE Jared Allen, then tossed him a whopping $31m in guaranteed money. Allen had 14.5 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, and a league-high 52 QB hurries. Cha-ching! This kind of aggressive management approach should set an example for flaccid clubs like Cincinnati and St. Louis. Go get your guy. Sign a true game-changer. This year the Vikings are rumored to be after QBs Matt Cassel or Donovan McNabb.

15. Atlanta -- $20m under – Some old reliables must go, including former superstar LB Keith Brooking. He’s scheduled to count $7m but his contract is voidable. Brooking’s fate was sealed when he got beat by Cardinals TE Stephen Spach in the wild-card game. GM Thomas Dimitroff isn’t afraid to make tough decisions – he cut franchise legends Alge Crumpler & Warrick Dunn last year. Fan favorite LB Michael Boley might be cut too. When they release Michael Vick he’ll still eat up $7.1m in cap space.

16. Pittsburgh -- $19m under – Supposedly a frugal club, the Steelers spent $128m in payroll last year, 6th highest in football. The product bears out that spending. And when they did Roethlisberger’s extension last March they pro-rated his $25m signing bonus over the 8 years of the deal, and his 2009 salary is “only” $4.75m, so his 2009 cap hit is a manageable $7.9m. The big question is will they re-sign G Chris Kemoeatu, T Max Starks, and T Marvel Smith, all free agents?

17. Baltimore -- $19m under – CBs Samari Rolle & Chris McAlister count a combined $17m. Pay cuts or both hit the road. The Ravens are a relatively low payroll club who’s squeezed the most they could out of what they have. 3 of the top-6 defensive free agents on the 2009 market are Ravens: DE Terrell Suggs, LB Bart Scott, and LB Ray Lewis. They can’t keep all three. Maybe only one. TE Todd Heap already took a pay cut once so they might just cut him. It would free up $3.6m. The big rumor is a straight-up trade: Terrell Suggs for Anquan Boldin. Wow!

18. Chicago -- $19m under – Key defensive studs like CB Nathan Vasher, CB Charles Tillman, and LB Brian Urlacher count a combined $20m. Re-do their deals. Yikes, there’s $5.4m in dead money for Cedric Benson, Muhsin Muhammad, and Brian Griese. They can free up $8m by cutting OT John Tait, FB Jason McKie, DE Adewale Ogunleye, DT Dusty Dvoracek, and WR Marty Booker. The Bears are rumored to be after safety O.J. Atogwe in free agency (if he isn’t franchised by St. Louis) and DE Terrell Suggs.

19. Green Bay -- $18m under – Getting rid of Brett Favre and his $12 million salary for a 3rd-round pick turned out to be the right move. Then they signed Aaron Rodgers to a cap-friendly 6-year, $65 million deal on Oct. 31 – shoveling $12 million onto the 2008 cap before the league deadline. If they waited another 24 hours the entire pay increase would have to be treated as a signing bonus -- and pro-rated over the length of the contract for cap purposes. Now they have cap room to extend WR Greg Jennings, S Nick Collins, and S Atari Bigby.

20. Cleveland -- $17m under – The Browns will probably cut Jamal Lewis. They’d be saving a cash payout of $6.4m in salary & roster bonus. RT Kevin Shaffer is a bust, but he only counts $4.4m on the cap so he might stay. WR Donte Stallworth has a roster bonus of $5m due – he’ll fly out to fleece his 5th team in March. The Browns can free up $12m in cap room by cutting QB Derek Anderson, DE Shaun Smith, LB Willie McGinest, LB Andra Davis, DT Robaire Smith, and G Ryan Tucker.

21. Jacksonville -- $16m under – Owner Wayne Weaver got burned last year, giving out $23m in guaranteed dollars to WR Jerry Porter and CB Drayton Florence. He spent $122m in total payroll, 8th most in the league. They’ll let OT Khalif Barnes walk in free agency. S Gerald Sensabaugh, LB Mike Peterson, and C Brad Mester might walk too. Only Meester seems to be on their list of priorities. WR Reggie Williams’ contract is voidable. He’s gone.

22. San Diego -- $14m under – Time for semi-rebuilding on both sides of the ball. Not a complete housecleaning, but GM A.J. Smith knows he has to shake it up. But first he has to extend Philip Rivers, Shawne Merriman and Vincent Jackson, all going into the last year of their deals. As crazy as it seems, ending it with LaDainian Tomlinson makes sense. He’s 30 and his body is breaking down. Dumping him off frees up $6.725m in cap space. They also want to re-sign Darren Sproles, who was their MVP in December & January.

23. New York Giants -- $11m under – The first order of business is to lock up Brandon Jacobs, but can (will) they? He’ll want to test the open market and plenty of teams could offer more money. Rumor has it the Giants want free-agent DT Albert Haynesworth (imagine that defensive line with Osi Umenyiora returning from injury) but they’re actually set with DTs Fred Robbins & Barry Cofield. If Plaxico Burress is cut before June 1st he only counts $4.4m in dead money.

24. Dallas -- $10m under – Owner Jerry Jones will always empty his pockets and spend cash-over-cap so it doesn’t really matter how much room Dallas has. The first order of business is Terrell Owens. The reports that his release/trade would cause a massive cap charge are true – but the “net” hit is only $680,000. In other words, he already counts $8.99 million if stays. He counts $9.67m if he leaves. They have until June 1st when his $3.1m roster bonus is due. All-World LB DeMarcus Ware is entering a contract year and deserves to be one of the 5 highest-paid defenders in the NFL. Overall, every offensive starter is signed for at least 2 more years. Cutting QB Brad Johnson, G Montrae Holland, and S Roy Williams frees up $6m.

25. Carolina -- $9m under – Jake Delhomme counts $11m on the cap. Cut him and get $6m in net cap savings. Or accept his apology for the 6 turnovers vs. Arizona, re-do his deal and free up a few million. Ask CB Ken Lucas ($6m cap charge) to restructure too. Cut WR D.J. Hackett, RB Nick Goings, LB Landon Johnson, OG Keydrick Vincent, and CB Ricardo Colclough to free up $8m. Carolina could franchise-tag DE Julius Peppers and trade him for a 1st round pick (they currently don’t have a 1st rounder in this draft). We hear Cleveland and Miami are the most interested.

26. Seattle -- $9m under – The Seahawks can free up $14m in cap space by cutting QB Matt Hasselbeck, OG Mike Wahle, WR Bobby Engram, RB Maurice Morris, and WR Koren Robinson. Robinson might actually stay if his knee gets right. “He's been the key blocker on three of our four longest plays from scrimmage this year, and the receiver in our longest (90 yarder),” says Seahawks beat blogger Chris Sullivan. LB LeRoy Hill will likely be franchise-tagged at $8 million for one year. LT Walter Jones and WR Deion Branch count $17m combined by themselves. Pay cuts, fellas.

27. St. Louis -- $8m under – They could be releasing the last 3 players from their Super Bowl winning team in 1999 – WR Torry Holt, DE Leonard Little, and OT Orlando Pace. It would free up $14m and give them a chance to sign a couple free agents. WR Drew Bennett (coming off a broken foot) might not be back, though cutting him causes a $2.5m cap hit. Rams HC Steve Spagnuolo is rumored to be interested in free-agent DT Albert Haynesworth and DE Terrell Suggs. Who isn’t?

28. Oakland -- $4m under – Ouch, CB DeAngelo Hall counts $5m in dead money after being cut. To make it worse he suddenly played like a Pro Bowler again in Washington. WR Javon Walker has a $5m roster bonus due next month. He’ll actually collect it because of an injury guarantee – and his cap hit is $14m if they cut him. Stupid contracts, Al. OT Robert Gallery will have to rework his deal to shave off his $9.2m cap charge.

29. Indianapolis -- $2m over – Peyton Manning counts a massive $21m by himself, the 2nd biggest cap charge in NFL history behind Steve McNair’s $23m in 2006. The Titans ended up locking McNair out of team headquarters that summer. Indy won’t do anything quite that drastic, but they do need to discuss money with Peyton. They can free up $6m by cutting Marvin Harrison. Pro Bowl center Jeff Saturday, CB Kelvin Hayden and RB Dominic Rhodes are free agents. They could franchise-tag Saturday at $8.6m on the 2009 cap. Not too bad. Lots of work to do here, though.

30. Washington -- $3m over – Nothing new for owner Daniel Snyder, he’s from the Jerry Jones Cash-Over-Cap School. Boy, they’ve given out some stupid contracts over the years. Heck, WR Brandon Lloyd still counts $5.5m in dead money from 2007, plus they gave away 3rd & 4th rounders for him that year. We hear the Skins have their eye on 1 stud free agent – Panthers OT Jordan Gross, who could replace the declining Jon Jansen on the right.

31. New Orleans -- $5m over – They just got the credit card bill from their 2005-2008 shopping spree. Deuce McAllister, Reggie Bush, Drew Brees, DE Will Smith, DE Charles Grant, CB Mike McKenzie, huge bonuses thrown around the room. It worked on offense, not so well on defense. Brees counts $14m on the cap but that’s 33% less than Peyton Manning’s rate. Smith counts $9.4m in 2009 so he needs to step it up under new DC Gregg Williams. They can cut RB Aaron Stecker, WR Devery Henderson, WR David Patten, DT Hollis Thomas, and CB Jason David to free up $11m in cap space.

32. New York Jets -- $7m over – Whew, last year they doled out over $100 million in guaranteed dollars. Those bonuses are pro-rated out over the next 4-5 years so they’re going to be in and out of cap jail for a while. Laveranues Coles counts $7m and they need him to accept a pay cut, which he won’t. Leon Washington deserves a big extension. Ks Jay Feely and Mike Nugent are both free agents – Nugent was hurt and Feely might have stolen the gig.

** 2009 is the last year with a salary cap under the current NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement. It’s complicated but you can learn more here at CBSsports.com.

loborugger
01-23-2009, 06:14 PM
Wow. AZ 41 mill under the cap & still in the SB? Sounds like a team that is here to stay.

theAPAOps5
01-23-2009, 06:16 PM
Damn AZ has it good but so does Tampa, they just need some youth in key spots.

And Denver is sitting pretty too. I like whats happening for us.

cutthemdown
01-23-2009, 06:19 PM
Notice the tidbit about KC not carrying over 21 million to use this yr. Instead the let it expire last yr. They are cheap, cheap, cheap. Pioli could have had another 21 mil to spend but the owners in KC don't want to spend the whole cap. Look for KC to not make many big splashes in FA.

broncofan7
01-23-2009, 06:21 PM
Who's Ur mama a Bronco? Pass.
Derek Ward--Great minds think alike.
BossB, Nate(s), Selvin, Hall, McCree, Manuel, --BYE, BYE

Broncojef
01-23-2009, 06:22 PM
Notice the tidbit about KC not carrying over 21 million to use this yr. Instead the let it expire last yr. They are cheap, cheap, cheap. Pioli could have had another 21 mil to spend but the owners in KC don't want to spend the whole cap. Look for KC to not make many big splashes in FA.

Their just slow...took them a month to fire Herm and we all knew he was gone. I definitely like our position and look forward to the pending changes, we need em!!

Bronx33
01-23-2009, 06:23 PM
Oakland is ****** forever Bwwwaaaaaahahahahhaaaa!

spdirty
01-23-2009, 06:23 PM
nice.

socalorado
01-23-2009, 06:25 PM
Suggs or Bart Scott
Atogwe or Sanders
Chris Canty or Shaun Cody

Go get em boys!

theAPAOps5
01-23-2009, 06:27 PM
Read my mind Socalorado. Go poach off the Ravens LB corp it will help transition to the 3-4 that much more.

gyldenlove
01-23-2009, 06:30 PM
Out of Arizonas number is going to be about 8 million to keep Dansby (or 11 if they have to tag him again). Probably 8 or so to keep Warner as well and they probably have to bumb Boldin up to 10 mill per year like Fitzgerald.

Inkana7
01-23-2009, 06:36 PM
Out of Arizonas number is going to be about 8 million to keep Dansby (or 11 if they have to tag him again). Probably 8 or so to keep Warner as well and they probably have to bumb Boldin up to 10 mill per year like Fitzgerald.

I thought they just re-signed Fitz. It's Boldin they have to re-sign, no?

That's a lot of cash to spend, even more after we dump our garbage.

theAPAOps5
01-23-2009, 06:43 PM
I thought they just re-signed Fitz. It's Boldin they have to re-sign, no?

That's a lot of cash to spend, even more after we dump our garbage.

No its easy to mistake though. See they signed Bolden to a contract not too long ago. But he thinks it isn't what he is worth. So he is asking for a new deal already. And the deal is like 1.5 years old. So just because he says he wants out doesn't mean he can. But the way he talks you would think he is one.

socalorado
01-23-2009, 06:47 PM
Read my mind Socalorado. Go poach off the Ravens LB corp it will help transition to the 3-4 that much more.

Isnt this a nice, positive thread for a change?!?!?! Great to be one of the teams with a $h!tload of dough and a owner ready to spend some $$$.

I dont know about Houshmanzadeh, but if DEN can just get
Cody or Canty for the D-Line
Suggs for the LB corps
Otogwe (pipe dream) or Sanders for the secondary
Every level of the defense would be addressed
If there was substantial amount of $$$ to sign TJ Whosyourdaddy, man that would be one evil offense.
Gotta go defense 1st though. There needs to be some anchors brought in for Nolan to build from.
Imagine though Marshall, Houshmanzadeh and Royal in the slot.
Are you freakin kidding me!??!?!?
Just dreamin..........

BroncoBuff
01-23-2009, 07:03 PM
Good to know the cap numbers, but the guy has no clue.

bpc
01-23-2009, 07:12 PM
I want to hear Eddie Mac's opinion. Is this accurate EM?

TonyR
01-23-2009, 07:18 PM
Can we cut Boss without taking a huge cap hit? And without p*ssing off Champ?

socalorado
01-23-2009, 07:50 PM
Can we cut Boss without taking a huge cap hit? And without p*ssing off Champ?

I think Eddie Mac said it would cost 4 MIL if i remember correctly.

jsco70
01-23-2009, 07:56 PM
Good to know the cap numbers, but the guy has no clue.

Agreed 100%. Pass on Ward, and TJ Whoseurmama.

Atwater His Ass
01-23-2009, 07:56 PM
WR Javon Walker has a $5m roster bonus due next month. He’ll actually collect it because of an injury guarantee – and his cap hit is $14m if they cut him.

wow.

colonelbeef
01-23-2009, 08:01 PM
Why would we waste so much money on a 3rd receiver when Defense is such a need..

HELL NO to TJ or any expensive receiver for that matter

BroncoBuff
01-23-2009, 08:05 PM
Agreed 100%. Pass on Ward, and TJ Whoseurmama.

:~ohyah!:

Could you imagine spending that kinda money on a #1 wideout like Houshmanzadeh when we already have TWO top 25 wideouts on the roster ... and Stokley?!

Sheeesh ... :oyvey:

Taco John
01-23-2009, 08:07 PM
Why in the hell would we sign TJ Housmanzadeh?

Atlas
01-23-2009, 08:09 PM
Why would we waste so much money on a 3rd receiver when Defense is such a need..

HELL NO to TJ or any expensive receiver for that matter

That is assuming TJ is better than Stokley.

extralife
01-23-2009, 08:19 PM
That is assuming TJ is better than Stokley.

Don't be ridiculous

jsco70
01-23-2009, 08:25 PM
That is assuming TJ is better than Stokley.

He probably is better than Stokely, if Stokely was the first or second option. Obviously, those spots are taken by younger, better and cheaper players (at least until Marshall gets paid). Too many pressing needs elsewhere in my opinion to spend money on a WR.

socalorado
01-23-2009, 08:33 PM
Why in the hell would we sign TJ Housmanzadeh?

Just being over the top with the spending spree ideas and want to put big names down to intrigue us.

It would be a great line up, but theres no way in hell it happens
Just dreamin,is all.

Defense is the need for this team. I could see TJ going to PHIL or SEA.

eddie mac
01-23-2009, 08:44 PM
Most of those figures aren't a kick in the ass off my projections but that $34m in cap room certainly doesn't include the non-guaranteed $17m roster bonus for Robertson as stated by Lee Rasizer at RMN.

KC is way off as well. They have $45m in cap space next year.

The writer isn't that well informed either considering he quotes McCree, Webster and Ekuban as possible cap saving casualties when all 3 are UFA's.

And for the person that asked about Boss Bailey's release, it would actually clear a little room next season approx $400k.

cutthemdown
01-23-2009, 09:29 PM
Most of those figures aren't a kick in the ass off my projections but that $34m in cap room certainly doesn't include the non-guaranteed $17m roster bonus for Robertson as stated by Lee Rasizer at RMN.

KC is way off as well. They have $45m in cap space next year.

The writer isn't that well informed either considering he quotes McCree, Webster and Ekuban as possible cap saving casualties when all 3 are UFA's.

And for the person that asked about Boss Bailey's release, it would actually clear a little room next season approx $400k.

KC left almost 30 million unspent last yr, and will probably leave a huge chunk unspent this yr. The teams revenue just not good enough to justify spending it all.

Broncos revenue is higher and I expect Bowlen to outspend the Chiefs.

lostknight
01-23-2009, 09:38 PM
One of the most annoying traditions under both Shanahan and Ted was the insane dead cap space we have. Ted claims that he fixed that, but in reality the pain continued through Jake Plummer and Travis Henry which might just be the real disaster that cost Mike his job.

Broncosfreak_56
01-23-2009, 09:48 PM
Haynesworth, Peppers, or Suggs(or all :D) please.

KillerBronco#76
01-23-2009, 11:05 PM
Some of this money should deffinatley be going to marshall, kuper, and harris before the end of the off-season.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-23-2009, 11:10 PM
Most of those figures aren't a kick in the ass off my projections but that $34m in cap room certainly doesn't include the non-guaranteed $17m roster bonus for Robertson as stated by Lee Rasizer at RMN.

KC is way off as well. They have $45m in cap space next year.

The writer isn't that well informed either considering he quotes McCree, Webster and Ekuban as possible cap saving casualties when all 3 are UFA's.

And for the person that asked about Boss Bailey's release, it would actually clear a little room next season approx $400k.


Why are we still bringing up that 17 million dollar figure? its only if they pick up his roster bonus and itll NEVER happen

BroncoMan4ever
01-23-2009, 11:49 PM
Damn AZ has it good but so does Tampa, they just need some youth in key spots.

And Denver is sitting pretty too. I like whats happening for us.

too bad half our money is going to end up going to locking up Jay, Marshall, Kuper, and Scheff, possibly Champ.

eddie mac
01-24-2009, 01:13 AM
Why are we still bringing up that 17 million dollar figure? its only if they pick up his roster bonus and itll NEVER happen

I like to be as accurate as possible and when a source states a projected cap figure for the Broncos I want to make sure it takes account of that.

You're right in that it will never be paid but it's still a factual forthcoming payment held by NFLPA and would affect Denver's cap figure as we stand.

DeusExManning
01-24-2009, 01:14 AM
Lock up Jay, Brandon, Scheff.

Bob's your Information Minister
01-24-2009, 01:18 AM
Notice the tidbit about KC not carrying over 21 million to use this yr. Instead the let it expire last yr. They are cheap, cheap, cheap. Pioli could have had another 21 mil to spend but the owners in KC don't want to spend the whole cap. Look for KC to not make many big splashes in FA.

This is a myth.

And the Chiefs actually will have something like 50 mil under the cap.

We're going to be major players.

Florida_Bronco
01-24-2009, 01:40 AM
You know bobo, after your epic failure regarding the Shanahan issue, you might be best to just shut the **** up about all things football related.

But then again that would be the smart thing to do, and you've never made a smart decision in your life.

UberBroncoMan
01-24-2009, 01:56 AM
I like how it says Dallas is going to cut Roy Williams. That would be a great pickup for us with OJ out of St. Louis... that would pretty much solve our safety dilemma and give Barrett plenty of time to get get better.

If we got Nnamdi too... imagine a Nnamdi - R. Williams - O.J. Ok - Champ - defensive backfield.

Put that with a Moss - Williams - Woodyard/Larsen/Draft Pick - Suggs (or Elvis)

and then in the front a Thomas - B.J?/Draft/FA - FA/Draft/?

... overall it's looking like we could do the entire 3-4 overhaul this off season and have a defense that could legitimately be top 15-8 in the NFL.

This is seriously exciting.

DB_champ24
01-24-2009, 02:03 AM
I like how it says Dallas is going to cut Roy Williams. That would be a great pickup for us with OJ out of St. Louis... that would pretty much solve our safety dilemma and give Barrett plenty of time to get get better.

If we got Nnamdi too... imagine a Nnamdi - R. Williams - O.J. Ok - Champ - defensive backfield.

Put that with a Moss - Williams - Woodyard/Larsen/Draft Pick - Suggs (or Elvis)

and then in the front a Thomas - B.J?/Draft/FA - FA/Draft/?

... overall it's looking like we could do the entire 3-4 overhaul this off season and have a defense that could legitimately be top 15-8 in the NFL.

This is seriously exciting.

Roy Williams sucks and I'd be so mad if the Broncos picked him up...He's one of the most overrated players in the NFL.

crazyhorse
01-24-2009, 04:21 AM
Notice the tidbit about KC not carrying over 21 million to use this yr. Instead the let it expire last yr. They are cheap, cheap, cheap. Pioli could have had another 21 mil to spend but the owners in KC don't want to spend the whole cap. Look for KC to not make many big splashes in FA.

Given the youth and the amount of players that are under contract through 2009 KC would struggle to spend 55 million. You have to consider how many FA you will lose and how many have to be resigned, not to mention how that will effect the cap in 2010.

KC had 22 Mill to carry forward because they couldn't spend it in 08. At one point we were over 36 million under last season and were looking for ways to spend money so we wouldn't be penalized for carrying too much money forward. For these reasons Hunt felt 33 million plus the current contract situations were more than enough to be players in FA this year.

cutthemdown
01-24-2009, 04:29 AM
Given the youth and the amount of players that are under contract through 2009 KC would struggle to spend 55 million. You have to consider how many FA you will lose and how many have to be resigned, not to mention how that will effect the cap in 2010.

KC had 22 Mill to carry forward because they couldn't spend it in 08. At one point we were over 36 million under last season and were looking for ways to spend money so we wouldn't be penalized for carrying too much money forward. For these reasons Hunt felt 33 million plus the current contract situations were more than enough to be players in FA this year.

You could have used that to sign additional FA. You can spin it but the facts are Chiefs won't spend up to the cap again this yr. If they do then I will admit I'm wrong.

eddie mac
01-24-2009, 04:33 AM
Given the youth and the amount of players that are under contract through 2009 KC would struggle to spend 55 million. You have to consider how many FA you will lose and how many have to be resigned, not to mention how that will effect the cap in 2010.

KC had 22 Mill to carry forward because they couldn't spend it in 08. At one point we were over 36 million under last season and were looking for ways to spend money so we wouldn't be penalized for carrying too much money forward. For these reasons Hunt felt 33 million plus the current contract situations were more than enough to be players in FA this year.

You never carry cap money over into the following year unless you turn that cash left over into incentives that players will never meet in that season prior to the cut off date, thus a team then gets additional cap room for the same amount in the following year. The Giants used it last year to the tune of $8m, Dallas $6m, so both those teams will have that additional money in 09.

KC left that $22m on the table last year, though you can look at it as if you didn't spend $22m cash from last year which Pioli might get this season.

crazyhorse
01-24-2009, 05:19 AM
You could have used that to sign additional FA. You can spin it but the facts are Chiefs won't spend up to the cap again this yr. If they do then I will admit I'm wrong.

Spin? It's not important to me that you admit you're wrong. I was just trying to interject some opinion that could be in play.

To say you would admit you were wrong is to imply you know the variables with cash and cap concerning the Chiefs. Not to mention the thinking behind the money spent last year and how it effects this season. Assumning you know it all, perhaps you could be more specific in the actual spending formula for the Chiefs.

By being so wishy washy in your explanation, you come off more like a Donk fan with sand in his puss than an informed capologist.

This is a perfect opportunity to squash that impression.

I look forward to your insight in what I'm sure will be a well thought out, well informed, well articulated opinion based in fact.

That's how I think I'll "spin it".

clint7
01-24-2009, 06:50 AM
Nice to see Denver near the top of that list for a change.

The Joker
01-24-2009, 07:01 AM
Question for Eddie Mac, or any others who'd know a lot about the cap.

I know the figure there says we've roughly 40 million to play with, assuming we don't pay Robertson his obscene bonus. But how much room do we actually have to make moves in FA? Bearing in mind that some contracts are going to spike over the next few years (Cutler, for one) and also that we are going to be looking to re-sign guys like Marshall and Kuper, and possibly Elvis and Scheffler too in the very near future? All those guys will get significant raises if we resign them, which increases our cap hit obviously.

What I'm saying basically is that if we make a serious splash in free agency this year, will that mean we're setting ourselves up for trouble a couple of years down the line? Or do we actually legitimately have the space to get an impact player or two added without hurting ourselves in the future?

MechanicalBull
01-24-2009, 07:50 AM
TJ would be nice to have but that is a luxury and a waste of money when there are such other dire needs out there. I've always said that if we didn't get a big time back that I think a combo of Derrick Ward and Hillis could be good.

Spend the majority of the money on defense. We can score points but we need to stop the other team from scoring points.

Denver724
01-24-2009, 08:40 AM
Lock up Jay, Brandon, Scheff.

I don't think we lock them up until the new coach get's a feel for all players. Look for some extensions after training camp before the season begins.

Archer81
01-25-2009, 11:40 AM
Considine from Philly would be a good pickup if we dont go after or sign Atogwe. Nice article.


:Broncos:

KipCorrington25
01-25-2009, 12:55 PM
Can we cut Nate Webster twice?

Not for any monetary gain but just because I hate him so much. Hilarious!

WolfpackGuy
01-25-2009, 01:21 PM
More than likely a total reversal from 2005
Hell no to Houshmanzilli

eddie mac
01-25-2009, 02:16 PM
Question for Eddie Mac, or any others who'd know a lot about the cap.

I know the figure there says we've roughly 40 million to play with, assuming we don't pay Robertson his obscene bonus. But how much room do we actually have to make moves in FA? Bearing in mind that some contracts are going to spike over the next few years (Cutler, for one) and also that we are going to be looking to re-sign guys like Marshall and Kuper, and possibly Elvis and Scheffler too in the very near future? All those guys will get significant raises if we resign them, which increases our cap hit obviously.

What I'm saying basically is that if we make a serious splash in free agency this year, will that mean we're setting ourselves up for trouble a couple of years down the line? Or do we actually legitimately have the space to get an impact player or two added without hurting ourselves in the future?

The cap space isn't the problem and wont be in the future unless we start to backload contracts again. The main problem is Pat Bowlen and whether he's prepared to give McDaniels/Nolan real money to work with this offseason in the form of guarantees. Shanahan had peanuts to work with last year and that was probably down to the fact he wasted nigh on $40m on Henry, Walker, Warren, Rice and Gold. At this point no-one has any idea what we're going to do bar probably the main brass in Denver.

So in reality the caproom is there but is the cash there???

crazyhorse
01-25-2009, 02:17 PM
The cap space isn't the problem and wont be in the future unless we start to backload contracts again. The main problem is Pat Bowlen and whether he's prepared to give McDaniels/Nolan real money to work with this offseason in the form of guarantees. Shanahan had peanuts to work with last year and that was probably down to the fact he wasted nigh on $40m on Henry, Walker, Warren, Rice and Gold. At this point no-one has any idea what we're going to do bar probably the main brass in Denver.

So in reality the caproom is there but is the cash there???


I doubt there will be much cap space once the current keepers are signed. Just a guess.

eddie mac
01-25-2009, 07:07 PM
I doubt there will be much cap space once the current keepers are signed. Just a guess.

The only player from the 4 who would garner a top 10 contract would be Marshall. Kuper/Scheffler's extensions wouldn't be over the top and Dumervil wont be getting a new deal until he proves he can play well in a 3-4 defense.

People seem to forget that 2010 is an uncapped year and what comes with it is a 2 year extension for teams to basically keep their best young players around as restricted free agents. Thus even if any of the 4 aren't extended during or before next season they wont be going anywhere in 2010 if McDaniels wants to keep them around

Also if you're referring to any free agents Denver have on the market this year. None of them would garner anymore than a $1.5m contract per season.

mhgaffney
01-26-2009, 02:49 AM
The Broncos have serious needs at five positions: DT, ILB, DE, S and RB.

If we could acquire two defensive players in free agency to fill two of those 5 needs -- then we could certainly draft at least 3 starters in the first three rounds and fill the other needs.

As others have pointed out -- this draft is deep in most of our positions of need -- all except maybe DE.

Heck -- if we trade back a few spots and pick up another 3rd round pick -- we could theoretically rebuild the defense in just one year. The odds are against it -- but it's possible.

If we have success in FA -- we could certainly draft a quality RB in the 2nd round. I mean a 230 pound down hill bruiser (with speed) -- not a 200 pound injury prone scatback.

McDaniels faces the major challenge of pulling it all together -- and I bet he is looking forward to it. I know I am.

MHG

crazyhorse
01-26-2009, 04:21 AM
The only player from the 4 who would garner a top 10 contract would be Marshall. Kuper/Scheffler's extensions wouldn't be over the top and Dumervil wont be getting a new deal until he proves he can play well in a 3-4 defense.

People seem to forget that 2010 is an uncapped year and what comes with it is a 2 year extension for teams to basically keep their best young players around as restricted free agents. Thus even if any of the 4 aren't extended during or before next season they wont be going anywhere in 2010 if McDaniels wants to keep them around

Also if you're referring to any free agents Denver have on the market this year. None of them would garner anymore than a $1.5m contract per season.


1.5? Who are Denvers FAs?

You cant sign a middle of the road kicker for that money these days. When you begin to factor in everything it's easy to see that Denver has quite a bit less than 30+ to work with in free agency.

Do the numbers listed in the article also include the rookie pool or is that seperate?

Also, wouldn't the uncapped year give leverage in this years contract negotiations to the players?

fontaine
01-26-2009, 04:23 AM
The cap space isn't the problem and wont be in the future unless we start to backload contracts again. The main problem is Pat Bowlen and whether he's prepared to give McDaniels/Nolan real money to work with this offseason in the form of guarantees. Shanahan had peanuts to work with last year and that was probably down to the fact he wasted nigh on $40m on Henry, Walker, Warren, Rice and Gold. At this point no-one has any idea what we're going to do bar probably the main brass in Denver.

So in reality the caproom is there but is the cash there???

I'm not concerned about the cash really. Look at the history of some of big dollar signings like Henry, Rice, Walker. And compare them to some one like Weigman as a cheap FA or Hillis as a 2nd day pick.

The success in '09 will be determined whether we draft wisely, manage to find players that can work in a 3-4 and don't cost Suggs type money. Big money FAs bust all the time.

Killericon
01-26-2009, 04:37 AM
Yeah, Shanny the GM sure left us in rough shape.

eddie mac
01-26-2009, 06:01 AM
1.5? Who are Denvers FAs?

You cant sign a middle of the road kicker for that money these days. When you begin to factor in everything it's easy to see that Denver has quite a bit less than 30+ to work with in free agency.

Do the numbers listed in the article also include the rookie pool or is that seperate?

Also, wouldn't the uncapped year give leverage in this years contract negotiations to the players?

Crazy not one of the Broncos free agents is a starter. A few are depth rotational players like Peterson and Ekuban. Tatum Bell isn't worth more than $1.5m a year, neither is Marlon McCree, anyone who pays Ramsey that can have him.

By the way Wiegmann our starting OC only got $1m last year.

Rookie pools are always included within a team's cap number thus any team has to clear that amount set by the NFL to sign their draft picks.

The uncapped year is hit and miss. Some franchises like Dallas/Oakland will utilise that to overspend to the hilt. Other teams who are struggling to break even will use that year not to have to pay up to the 90% since there's no cap, in the process saving some serious money.

Archer81
01-26-2009, 07:42 AM
The Broncos have serious needs at five positions: DT, ILB, DE, S and RB.

If we could acquire two defensive players in free agency to fill two of those 5 needs -- then we could certainly draft at least 3 starters in the first three rounds and fill the other needs.

As others have pointed out -- this draft is deep in most of our positions of need -- all except maybe DE.

Heck -- if we trade back a few spots and pick up another 3rd round pick -- we could theoretically rebuild the defense in just one year. The odds are against it -- but it's possible.

If we have success in FA -- we could certainly draft a quality RB in the 2nd round. I mean a 230 pound down hill bruiser (with speed) -- not a 200 pound injury prone scatback.

McDaniels faces the major challenge of pulling it all together -- and I bet he is looking forward to it. I know I am.

MHG



You can keep saying RB is a need, but it isnt.

:Broncos:

Rohirrim
01-26-2009, 07:45 AM
I'll bet Hunt is not so worried about his cap space as he is about the Arrowhead Space, ie - all those empty seats. I wonder if that will have any influence over how much cash he releases to Pioli?

eddie mac
01-26-2009, 08:02 AM
I'll bet Hunt is not so worried about his cap space as he is about the Arrowhead Space, ie - all those empty seats. I wonder if that will have any influence over how much cash he releases to Pioli?

Well it was an issue last season when he left $22m on the table and never even attempted to push the room into 2009 via LTBE's.

TonyR
01-26-2009, 08:07 AM
If we could acquire two defensive players in free agency to fill two of those 5 needs -- then we could certainly draft at least 3 starters in the first three rounds and fill the other needs.


I think it's overly optimistic to assume we can get 3 starters in the draft, particularly with our track record in drafting defensive players. There were at least a few defensive players taken in the first round last year that weren't good enough to start this year. You can hope, but you cannot expect.

Rohirrim
01-26-2009, 08:09 AM
Well it was an issue last season when he left $22m on the table and never even attempted to push the room into 2009 via LTBE's.

I'm guessing by now Hunt is out in L.A. checking things out. :wiggle:

socalorado
01-26-2009, 08:10 AM
I think it's overly optimistic to assume we can get 3 starters in the draft, particularly with our track record in drafting defensive players. There were at least a few defensive players taken in the first round last year that weren't good enough to start this year. You can hope, but you cannot expect.

So should DEN then be that much more aggressive in FA?

snowspot66
01-26-2009, 08:18 AM
I think it's overly optimistic to assume we can get 3 starters in the draft, particularly with our track record in drafting defensive players. There were at least a few defensive players taken in the first round last year that weren't good enough to start this year. You can hope, but you cannot expect.

As bad as our defense is it's entirely realistic to expect three starters from the first three rounds. Now they won't necessarily all be Pro Bowlers. They may only be average. But where we are at average would look pretty good at some of our positions. Half the board would have killed for an average safety last year.

TonyR
01-26-2009, 08:19 AM
So should DEN then be that much more aggressive in FA?

Ideally, yes. But there probably aren't enough affordable players to fill all, or even most of, the holes. I think the goal, and the expectation, should be improvement on defense more so than a completely rebuilt defense because the latter probably isn't possible in one year.

crazyhorse
01-26-2009, 08:21 AM
Well it was an issue last season when he left $22m on the table and never even attempted to push the room into 2009 via LTBE's.


He left 30+ million on the table last year.

TonyR
01-26-2009, 08:26 AM
As bad as our defense is it's entirely realistic to expect three starters from the first three rounds.

Hopefully. But look at a guy like Vernon Gholston who was the 6th pick in the draft last year and could hardly get on the field. Glenn Dorsey was picked 5th and struggled quite a bit. It's a crap shoot.

crazyhorse
01-26-2009, 08:29 AM
Hopefully. But look at a guy like Vernon Gholston who was the 6th pick in the draft last year and could hardly get on the field. Glenn Dorsey was picked 5th and struggled quite a bit. It's a crap shoot.

More often than not, it generally takes a year or two for Dlinemen to get thier feet under them in the NFL. It's no guarantee they will get it together. But these players are hardly misses at this point.

TonyR
01-26-2009, 08:31 AM
...But these players are hardly misses at this point.

I agree. My point is that even top 10, "can't miss" type guys can't be counted on to be solid starters their rookie year. My larger point is we can't be expecting 3 immediate, solid starters out of the draft. Possible but very difficult and unlikely.