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AbileneBroncoFan
01-23-2009, 01:35 PM
DALLAS -- A Texas high school girls basketball team on the winning end of a 100-0 game has a case of blowout remorse.

Now officials from The Covenant School say they are trying to do the right thing by seeking a forfeit and apologizing for the margin of victory.

"It is shameful and an embarrassment that this happened," Kyle Queal, the head of the school, said in a statement, adding the forfeit was requested because "a victory without honor is a great loss."

The private Christian school defeated Dallas Academy last week. Covenant was up 59-0 at halftime.

A parent who attended the game told The Associated Press that Covenant continued to make 3-pointers -- even in the fourth quarter. She praised the Covenant players but said spectators and an assistant coach were cheering wildly as their team edged closer to 100 points.

"I think the bad judgment was in the full-court press and the 3-point shots," said Renee Peloza, whose daughter plays for Dallas Academy. "At some point, they should have backed off."

Dallas Academy coach Jeremy Civello told The Dallas Morning News that the game turned into a "layup drill," with the opposing team's guards waiting to steal the ball and drive to the basket. Covenant scored 12 points in the fourth quarter and "finally eased up when they got to 100 with about four minutes left," he said.

Dallas Academy has eight girls on its varsity team and about 20 girls in its high school. It is winless over the last four seasons. The academy boasts of its small class sizes and specializes in teaching students struggling with "learning differences," such as short attention spans or dyslexia.

There is no mercy rule in girls basketball that shortens the game or permits the clock to continue running when scores become lopsided. There is, however, "a golden rule" that should have applied in this contest, said Edd Burleson, the director of the Texas Association of Private and Parochial Schools. Both schools are members of this association, which oversees private school athletics in Texas.

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The Covenant School is seeking a forfeit after defeating Dallas Academy 100-0.
"On a personal note, I told the coach of the losing team how much I admire their girls for continuing to compete against all odds," Burleson said. "They showed much more character than the coach that allowed that score to get out of hand. It's up to the coach to control the outcome."

In the statement on the Covenant Web site, Queal said the game "does not reflect a Christ-like and honorable approach to competition. We humbly apologize for our actions and seek the forgiveness of Dallas Academy, TAPPS and our community."

Covenant coach Micah Grimes did not immediately respond to a message left by The Associated Press on Thursday.

Queal said school officials met with Dallas Academy officials to apologize and praised "each member of the Dallas Academy Varsity Girls Basketball team for their strength, composure and fortitude in a game in which they clearly emerged the winner."

Civello said he appreciated the gesture and has accepted the apology "with no ill feelings."

At a shootaround Thursday, several Dallas Academy players said they were frustrated during the game but felt it was a learning opportunity. They also said they are excited about some of the attention they are receiving from the loss, including an invitation from Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban to see an NBA game from his suite.

"Even if you are losing, you might as well keep playing," said Shelby Hyatt, a freshman on the team. "Keep trying, and it's going to be OK."

Peloza said the coach and other parents praised the Dallas Academy girls afterward for limiting Covenant to 12 points in the fourth quarter. She added that neither her daughter nor her teammates seemed to dwell on the loss.

"Somewhere during that game they got caught up in the moment," Peloza said of the Covenant players, fans and coaches. "Our girls just moved on. That's the happy part of the story."


http://sports.espn.go.com/highschool/rise/basketball/girls/news/story?id=3852460

What a travesty. I would like to know what the hell the Covenant coach was thinking. There's no place for that kind of approach in amateur sports. In the pros, something like that won't ever happen, but if it did, at least it is between athletes that are getting paid to play and who do nothing but prepare for games. But even in the NBA teams that are up considerably in the 4th don't run a press defense and jack up 3s. I'm all for coaches putting the 2nd and 3rd string in and having them play hard (but relatively conservatively), but this is probably the most classless thing I've ever heard of a coach doing, even more classless than Belichick not shaking hands after the game or cussing out another teams medical staff for trying to tend to one of his players. Again, at least they are all professionals. Running it up on a severely undermatched team like this gives new meaning to the word "unprofessional."

Binkythefrog
01-23-2009, 01:38 PM
Totally true. I also read that the parents of the other team were cheering and rooting for their team to reach 100 points.

Also, the coach's reaction is completely BS. He said it just "happened" and refused to take any responsibility for running up the score and said that he felt bad about it.

Crushaholic
01-23-2009, 01:40 PM
Totally true. I also read that the parents of the other team were cheering and rooting for their team to reach 100 points.

Also, the coach's reaction is completely BS. He said it just "happened" and refused to take any responsibility for running up the score and said that he felt bad about it.

Exactly. Doesn't the coach have any "benchwarmers" to put in the game? I don't buy it for a moment that the winning coach is sorry...

Man-Goblin
01-23-2009, 01:40 PM
Something like this happened last week in Colorado; a girls team won 94-1. These girls are ruthless!

http://coloradoan.com/article/20090115/UPDATES01/90115010

Florida_Bronco
01-23-2009, 01:43 PM
Eh, there are greater tragedies in life. If the other team couldn't score a single point, they should probably just stay off the court all together.

Beantown Bronco
01-23-2009, 01:46 PM
Here's a novel concept:

If you don't want a team to run the score up on you, how about you play some defense? And God forbid......hit a freaking shot or two yourself.

Or at the very least, put the goon in the game and start hacking the starters on the other team. You'll see the opposing coach go to the benchwarmers in no time.

TDmvp
01-23-2009, 01:46 PM
Eh, there are greater tragedies in life. If the other team couldn't score a single point, they should probably just stay off the court all together.


I normally agree . We shouldn't coddle people , if you lose you lose and you can't tell a person not to score .

BUT

The team they was playing was a school with a total of 20 students , 8 girls , for students with learning disabilities .

Crushisback
01-23-2009, 01:51 PM
So what, big deal. They shouldn't compete if they suck that bad. The girls on the losing end learned a lesson that nobody else was willing to teach them. Nothing's easy or free, you have to earn it. That being said hopefully the winning girls get thier own taste of humiliation at some point. It's somthing everybody needs.

Hercules Rockefeller
01-23-2009, 01:52 PM
Peloza said the coach and other parents praised the Dallas Academy girls afterward for limiting Covenant to 12 points in the fourth quarter. She added that neither her daughter nor her teammates seemed to dwell on the loss.

"Somewhere during that game they got caught up in the moment," Peloza said of the Covenant players, fans and coaches. "Our girls just moved on. That's the happy part of the story."


http://sports.espn.go.com/highschool/rise/basketball/girls/news/story?id=3852460


So it's not the players complaining, just their parents and the coach? Thank God we have a parent who took it upon herself to make a national story out of how her daughter's team got their ass kicked. They haven't won a game in four years, what was mom expecting this time around?

Kudos to the girls for sacking up and moving on, wish their parents would do the same. I guess the coach deserves no blame for having a team that can't score or play defense? It's the other team's fault for being "too good" compared to his?

Crushisback
01-23-2009, 01:52 PM
The team they was playing was a school with a total of 20 students , 8 girls , for students with learning disabilities .

Exactly why they shouldn't be on the court.

Beantown Bronco
01-23-2009, 01:52 PM
The team they was playing was a school with a total of 20 students , 8 girls , for students with learning disabilities .

Gotta blame their AD for scheduling the game.

Drek
01-23-2009, 01:53 PM
I normally agree . We shouldn't coddle people , if you lose you lose and you can't tell a person not to score .

BUT

The team they was playing was a school with a total of 20 students , 8 girls , for students with learning disabilities .

If they're so damn disabled let them compete in the Special Olympics.

Sends the wrong message to everyone involved when you tell kids "we know you're way better than these other people, so don't try to hard. Its not polite to make them look bad". Screw that, try your best at everything you do, all the time. Otherwise you're cheating yourself and the person you're competing against. No need to start instilling a "good enough" mindset in students when the should be allowed to excel.

Hercules Rockefeller
01-23-2009, 01:54 PM
The team they was playing was a school with a total of 20 students , 8 girls , for students with learning disabilities .

The article said they had "learning differences," not disabilities. A short attention span (when the **** did that become a diagnosable disorder?) and dyslexia were the examples they listed.

Crushisback
01-23-2009, 01:57 PM
The article said they had "learning differences," not disabilities. A short attention span (when the **** did that become a diagnosable disorder?) and dyslexia were the examples they listed.

That's a good point, I'm sure they've already moved on from this.

Rabb
01-23-2009, 02:00 PM
unfortunately it is just a douchebag move, you can justify it how ever you like but that is not in the interest of good sportsmanship no matter how you slice it

Florida_Bronco
01-23-2009, 02:09 PM
Gotta blame their AD for scheduling the game.

Exactly. There is something to be said for a team that couldn't score one lousy point in basketball.

Jason in LA
01-23-2009, 02:25 PM
When I first heard the story I was looking to hear that the winning team cleared the bench early, or used the game to try new plays. I can understand that. Sometimes a team is just that much better and an ass kicking is in order. That's not really running up the score.

But from what I've heard and read they kept the starters in for most of the game and were trying to go for 100-0...against a team with athletes who may have learning disabilities. Are they serious??? What the hell is that?

I wanted to be able to defend them for it, but I don't see how anybody can.

I've seen a boat load of high school games. There was this one game were one boys team could have beaten the other team like that. In the rout, the coach played his third string for most of the game. The starters ran up the score in the first five minutes, then the second team ran up the score for five minutes, then the coach put in all the scrubs. If the scrubs run it up, well, there's not much you can do about that. But at least the coach had mercy by pulling the first and second teams. If he left them in it would have been much worse.

The coach of that girls team should be ashamed for doing that. I don't see how anybody can defend it knowing that the starters were kept in, they shot 3 pointers, and played press defense, against a team with girls with learning disabilities.

Hercules Rockefeller
01-23-2009, 02:28 PM
Good thing they didn't play a team with girls who had learning disabilities.

rugbythug
01-23-2009, 03:06 PM
Our High school was on the other side of one of those. Sucks but it kind of feeds on itself. The kids play harder and harder to try and keep the shut out. As a coach you should not have your players let up. But you should certainly clear the bench.

broncofan7
01-23-2009, 03:28 PM
so.

Los Broncos
01-23-2009, 03:33 PM
I would of at least hit a jumper or a tip in by accident.

RhymesayersDU
01-23-2009, 07:38 PM
My take:

First off, I don't care who you are, if you are really putting on a full-court press in a game like that, and keeping it on the entire game, you're a freaking asshole. Period.

As for taking 3-pointers, I don't have a problem with that. Pass the ball around the perimeter a few times, take a long shot. Don't take it to the hoop, etc. I've been in a couple games where everybody was to stay outside the 3-point line, kill some clock, etc.

But yeah, that coach sounds like a jerk. Should the two school have been playing? Probably not. But this is girl's high school basketball, not college. I'm not big on bitching after losses, or complaining because a team is too good, but this is just bush league.

Atlas
01-23-2009, 07:42 PM
Eh, there are greater tragedies in life. If the other team couldn't score a single point, they should probably just stay off the court all together.

There is only 20 students in the school and they have learning disabilities. Yeah, they should just stay off the court after all winning is everything.

jsco70
01-23-2009, 07:53 PM
The team that won should have backed off. However, doesn't the coach/school of the team that lost have a responsibility to make sure the team is playing at an appropriate level? If the school can't field a competitive squad, then they shouldn't be playing in the same league. Try a rec league or something.

I don't mean to sound too harsh but the politically correct theories that "everyone is the same", or "you're all winners" simply isn't true. Sadly, a whole generation that's been babied is going to realize this as they deal with a depressed job market during a recession. Competition for jobs is already intense and will probably only increase. Will the politically correct generation of the past 20 years be able to deal with it? We'll see.

skpac1001
01-23-2009, 08:00 PM
The team that won should have backed off. However, doesn't the coach/school of the team that lost have a responsibility to make sure the team is playing at an appropriate level? If the school can't field a competitive squad, then they shouldn't be playing in the same league. Try a rec league or something.

I don't mean to sound too harsh but the politically correct theories that "everyone is the same", or "you're all winners" simply isn't true. Sadly, a whole generation that's been babied is going to realize this as they deal with a depressed job market during a recession. Competition for jobs is already intense and will probably only increase. Will the politically correct generation of the past 20 years be able to deal with it? We'll see.

I agree with most of what you said, but what are most kids in sports for if its not to learn how to compete with class? There is plenty of time to learn about the rat race, kids in sports should be learning how to compete and how to be better human beings.

Tombstone RJ
01-23-2009, 08:04 PM
When I first heard the story I was looking to hear that the winning team cleared the bench early, or used the game to try new plays. I can understand that. Sometimes a team is just that much better and an ass kicking is in order. That's not really running up the score.

But from what I've heard and read they kept the starters in for most of the game and were trying to go for 100-0...against a team with athletes who may have learning disabilities. Are they serious??? What the hell is that?

I wanted to be able to defend them for it, but I don't see how anybody can.

I've seen a boat load of high school games. There was this one game were one boys team could have beaten the other team like that. In the rout, the coach played his third string for most of the game. The starters ran up the score in the first five minutes, then the second team ran up the score for five minutes, then the coach put in all the scrubs. If the scrubs run it up, well, there's not much you can do about that. But at least the coach had mercy by pulling the first and second teams. If he left them in it would have been much worse.

The coach of that girls team should be ashamed for doing that. I don't see how anybody can defend it knowing that the starters were kept in, they shot 3 pointers, and played press defense, against a team with girls with learning disabilities.

word.

The Covenant team, completely classless.

jsco70
01-23-2009, 08:20 PM
I agree with most of what you said, but what are most kids in sports for if its not to learn how to compete with class? There is plenty of time to learn about the rat race, kids in sports should be learning how to compete and how to be better human beings.

Another consideration is that basketball is one of those games where it's really hard to "call off the dogs." I compare it to a wild, grass fire. Once the fast breaks start it's contagious.

However, you're right...it's a clear line between competition and sportsmanship. I certainly don't want to come off as supporting the coach who clearly acted inappropriately. He's obviously classless.

I guess I'm just spouting off about the PC movement. I remember getting beat 50-2 in a Jr. High basketball game. It was embarrasing as hell but I didn't sit around and feel sorry for myself. Nor did my mom and dad. I was basically asked if I liked how it felt. If not, then I was told to play better next time. Obviously, times have changed.

footstepsfrom#27
01-23-2009, 08:26 PM
This is some funny stuff. ;D

GreatBronco16
01-23-2009, 08:34 PM
I coach my kids B-Ball team. We lost our first game 12-0. The kids had fun, and I don't think I went to the media about it. I've got a team that other than one of my sons and one other kid on the team, have no athletic ability. I don't care, and they don't care, they have fun and play hard. We are 0-3 right now going into tomorrows game, and I couldn't be more proud of the progress they are making.

Anyway, people will do anything for a story.

Pseudofool
01-23-2009, 08:35 PM
If they're so damn disabled let them compete in the Special Olympics.

Sends the wrong message to everyone involved when you tell kids "we know you're way better than these other people, so don't try to hard. Its not polite to make them look bad". Screw that, try your best at everything you do, all the time. Otherwise you're cheating yourself and the person you're competing against. No need to start instilling a "good enough" mindset in students when the should be allowed to excel.Meh. This is some seriously misguided reasoning. The sports=life metaphor is both specious and just plain shallow. The value of such 'lessons' as the one the girls learned in in walloping the other team lead to a dog-eat-dog or Machiavellian reality.

There's no pride in doing the best you can when there's no dignity, no trial, no work, no hill for Sisyphus to push his rock up. Should I humiliate my son everytime we play Madden? When I race my wife in a parking lot to the car, should I straight out sprint and rush the moment away? When I'm in traffic should I simply drive as fast as I can? Of course not. Context always helps undermine any generalization, especially one so pollyanne-ish as "try the best at everything you do, all the time". The context here is pretty clear; there was nothing for the winning team to overcome by continuing to score points, and what they should 'try best at' is not simply scoring but being descent citizens and sincere sportsman/sportswoman.

I'm disappointed, Drek, I've found you to be pretty thoughtful and thorough in nearly all your posts in my short time here.

lazarus4444
01-23-2009, 08:46 PM
Who cares? Sorry, but it is not relevent.

jhat01
01-23-2009, 09:22 PM
They could have throttled back a little. You would think the players might have taken it into their own hands and held back a bit. They are high school kids though so they probably got caught up in it. I'm a firm believer in kicking a teams ass. There are winners and losers, but you can handle a team in a classy manner.

Rock Chalk
01-23-2009, 09:32 PM
Here's a novel concept:

If you don't want a team to run the score up on you, how about you play some defense? And God forbid......hit a freaking shot or two yourself.

Or at the very least, put the goon in the game and start hacking the starters on the other team. You'll see the opposing coach go to the benchwarmers in no time.

Thats the single greatest idea any yankee has ever had.

LongDongJohnson
01-23-2009, 09:44 PM
those hos got what they deserved

brncs_fan
01-23-2009, 09:51 PM
As a former coach and educator I think that there have been TWO major injustices here:

1. Running up the score

2. Making a national story out of this

KillerBronco#76
01-23-2009, 10:11 PM
c'mon this has happened plenty of times throughout the years yet no one knew about it cause it used to be people wouldn't embaress the team by reporting it to the national media. Or the national media would have more sensibility and honorability than to embarress these girls by making it a story

I played on a hockey team where we beat a team 35-0 .in the second period we had a 4 pass rule before we could shoot. In the third every on on the ice had to touch the puck including the goalie. still beat the hell out of them. If a team sucks they suck, it was a fair game. let the score be what it is.

I'm sure it's more embarressing however the **** you spell that damn word to lose and have teammates or parents complain. Then to take it for what its worth. As long as you tried your best you can't take it personally. Both teams did their best one was just alot better if it was that big of a deal to them they would have forfeited at halftime. Good for them for showing some pride and not doing that. complaining or whining means you lack personal pride and belief in yourself to make the next play or win the next game.

There is no reason we should not except the fact that there are people better than us at certain things. You find what your good at and roll with it thats life my friends. Or you work at what you suck at until your hard work makes up for your lack of talent.

P.S. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger

Rock Chalk
01-23-2009, 10:25 PM
c'mon this has happened plenty of times throughout the years yet no one knew about it cause it used to be people wouldn't embaress the team by reporting it to the national media. Or the national media would have more sensibility and honorability than to embarress these girls by making it a story

I played on a hockey team where we beat a team 35-0 .in the second period we had a 4 pass rule before we could shoot. In the third every on on the ice had to touch the puck including the goalie. still beat the hell out of them. If a team sucks they suck, it was a fair game. let the score be what it is.

I'm sure it's more embarressing however the **** you spell that damn word to lose and have teammates or parents complain. Then to take it for what its worth. As long as you tried your best you can't take it personally. Both teams did their best one was just alot better if it was that big of a deal to them they would have forfeited at halftime. Good for them for showing some pride and not doing that. complaining or whining means you lack personal pride and belief in yourself to make the next play or win the next game.

There is no reason we should not except the fact that there are people better than us at certain things. You find what your good at and roll with it thats life my friends. Or you work at what you suck at until your hard work makes up for your lack of talent.

P.S. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger

You make fair points.

Some differences though between your personal hockey experience and this: The winning coach didnt slow down. He didnt have a 4 pass rule, didnt let the shot clock wind down. Continued to play press defense and have his girls shooting 3 point shots. More importantly, this was a Christian school and the head of the school is right to be furious with the coach for his actions. At a public school it is one thing, but when you are a representative of a school of faith, whatever faith it might be except Islam, then you have to exemplify that in your actions. It was not a "Christ-like" performance by teh coach OR the players themselves. Clearly superior, they should have backed off, sent in the worst players and refused to continue to shoot the ball from behind the arc, took their time and used up the clock.

Its OK to be better, a lot better, than your opponent. But there comes a point in the competition where there is such thing as sportsmanship. When it is obvious your opponent cannot stop you, then you have the responsibility as a DECENT human being to ease up. If you attend a Christian based school then you SHOULD have those Christian ideals of compassion and mercy and the coach nor the players representing this school showed any such compassion or mercy.

Atlas
01-23-2009, 10:30 PM
I coach my kids B-Ball team. We lost our first game 12-0. The kids had fun, and I don't think I went to the media about it. I've got a team that other than one of my sons and one other kid on the team, have no athletic ability. I don't care, and they don't care, they have fun and play hard. We are 0-3 right now going into tomorrows game, and I couldn't be more proud of the progress they are making.

Anyway, people will do anything for a story.

See how you feel if you lose 100-0

Punisher
01-23-2009, 10:35 PM
They strickley balled on them

montrose
01-23-2009, 10:52 PM
"If you don't want me to dance, keep me out of the endzone." - T.O.

AbileneBroncoFan
01-23-2009, 11:07 PM
Wow, I can't believe people think that this is ok.

What would we all be saying if San Diego was beating us 52-0 at half, and came out in the second half throwing bombs the entire time, leaving their starters in for the full 60 minutes? We would call them classless, we would think Rivers is an even bigger punk, etc. etc.

I know there are a lot of Colorado fans on here. I seem to remember a Big XII Championship game where Texas...uh...did work a few years ago. The Horns could've easily put up over 100 in that game (it was 70-3 with 10 minutes left in the 3rd), but Mack Brown has a little more class than that. People on here would want to kill him and Vince Young if Texas had won 110-3. But I guess since "if you can't stop it's your problem, don't be on the field," that yall would have no problem if Colt McCoy is throwing bombs to Jordan Shipley for 60 minutes in an 80 point beat down next year? Or would I see the inevitable "Mack Brown and Texas are classless ***holes thread?" You already know the answer to that.

What if Southlake Carroll or Euless Trinity played a Colorado high school football team is? Would you be ok with them leaving in their starters and putting up 80, 90, or 100 points? Or would it be considered classless? Would you tell your son, "son, you shouldn't have been out on the field. That guy smoked you every time they threw deep to him. You may as well quit." It never seems like a big deal until you're team/family member is the one on the wrong side of the score.

Also, if you know you are superior to the other team, what difference does it make how much you beat them by? If we had the NBA all-star team play a D-league team, what glory would there be in winning by 150? None. Big deal. You beat a team that isn't competitive and just enjoys playing the game. If I play a 70 year old man in tennis and beat him down, what difference does that make? Should he not play simply because he isn't as good as me, taking away his right to enjoy the game? No. If you believe this, none of you should go out and play catch. Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall are superior to you. You shouldn't play rec basketball. Kobe Bryant and LeBron James would destroy you. Forget about baseball. A-Rod and Pujols could hit a ball farther with one arm than you could. You couldn't even make contact with a big league pitcher's fast ball. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to play, whether you're as good as someone better than you or not.

And I'm not one of the people that believes you should take a knee in the 3rd quarter. To me, that's more insulting than running plays with your 3rd string. If you call the dogs off and are still scoring, so be it. But leaving the starters in and trying to score as much as possible is a joke. That's something you do on Madden or NBA Live.

And as far as teaching kids how to lose, how to toughen up, is that how we are going to go about doing it? That teaches the winners how to hang people with less ability than them out to dry. That teaches the losers that all that matters is destroying all opposition at all costs. We live in a society that is dog eat dog, cut throat. Unfortunately, we don't distinguish from when that's necessary and when it's not anymore. Marriages end because of affairs when an older man or woman seeks a younger "upgrade." Politics has become conservative vs. liberal, with both sides adopting a win at all cost, absolute belief attitude. Compromise is for weaklings. Having enough respect for the other "team" to listen to them and accept their beliefs, regardless of whether or not you agree with them, is certainly not a value we need to have. Hell, understanding that people of differing nationalities, religions, intelligence, sexual orientation, etc. are people just like you and me isn't as important as showing them up, proving your superiority to them. They certainly don't have the same emotions, the same dreams, hopes, and passions that you do. As a society we need to grow up. And while that's not going to be an easy or fast process, it may just start by someone showing an opponent of lesser skill a little respect on a basketball court. After all, you never know who is watching how you act, and how it affects their understanding of right and wrong.

KillerBronco#76
01-23-2009, 11:55 PM
You make fair points.

Some differences though between your personal hockey experience and this: The winning coach didnt slow down. He didnt have a 4 pass rule, didnt let the shot clock wind down. Continued to play press defense and have his girls shooting 3 point shots. More importantly, this was a Christian school and the head of the school is right to be furious with the coach for his actions. At a public school it is one thing, but when you are a representative of a school of faith, whatever faith it might be except Islam, then you have to exemplify that in your actions. It was not a "Christ-like" performance by teh coach OR the players themselves. Clearly superior, they should have backed off, sent in the worst players and refused to continue to shoot the ball from behind the arc, took their time and used up the clock.

Its OK to be better, a lot better, than your opponent. But there comes a point in the competition where there is such thing as sportsmanship. When it is obvious your opponent cannot stop you, then you have the responsibility as a DECENT human being to ease up. If you attend a Christian based school then you SHOULD have those Christian ideals of compassion and mercy and the coach nor the players representing this school showed any such compassion or mercy.

Mabye the team that lost was just turning the other cheek over and over and over again.
Alright sorry had to throw in a christian joke. You made good points and I agree based on the whole religion basis. But some people have something called class and some people don't.
But i still say whoever got the national media on this is the real classless person much more so than the team. Like i said this sort of thing happens alot its just usually no one makes such a big deal about it.

Beantown Bronco
01-24-2009, 05:01 AM
Wow, I can't believe people think that this is ok.

What would we all be saying if San Diego was beating us 52-0 at half, and came out in the second half throwing bombs the entire time, leaving their starters in for the full 60 minutes? We would call them classless, we would think Rivers is an even bigger punk, etc. etc.

You didn't watch too many Pats games in 2007, did you?

GreatBronco16
01-24-2009, 07:21 AM
See how you feel if you lose 100-0

I'm sure I'd feel like crap about it. But I won't go to the media and whine and complain about it.

redrage
01-24-2009, 07:42 AM
When I was in high school we had a girls team that put up points like that against most other schools. The coach basically played his pressure defense and starters the entire first half. After halftime, he stopped pressing and rotated in more players. By the fourth quarter only bench players were playing.

That team was so good, it put the coach in a tough position. He wanted his team to get used to playing that style of defense and offense AND do it for an entire game. At some point in the season they were going to run up against a strong club and needed the playing time in that style in order to execute properly for the entire game.

They only lost 2 games the last three years I was in high school. Once in the District finals (major upset) and once in the state semi-finals with one state championship. Could easily have been three in a row, but that's sports for ya.

Breaker
01-25-2009, 12:56 PM
As a competitor and someone who played collegiate athletics I can say that I would be more furious that a team was simply ****ing around and not trying to play against me than I would a team running up the score. A blowout is a blowout, does not matter if its by 50, 60, or 100. What does matter is that no team should take pity on another because pity is what would piss me off more.

The other aspect of the story is that no one would say boo about this if the team that had been beaten had just been a regular high school. The fact that everyone is saying they are learning disabled is the only reason that this story even has legs. Learning disabilities are not like they are in wheelchairs or something, nor does the size of the school matter. Should you press, no but absolutely take 3s cause they are harder to hit.

Ninjatime
01-25-2009, 01:00 PM
Did the team they play against have handicaps? Thats ****ed up.

Broncobiv
01-25-2009, 01:06 PM
The article said they had "learning differences," not disabilities. A short attention span (when the **** did that become a diagnosable disorder?) and dyslexia were the examples they listed.
That's a good point, I'm sure they've already moved on from this.
LOL

Tombstone RJ
01-25-2009, 03:11 PM
As a competitor and someone who played collegiate athletics I can say that I would be more furious that a team was simply ****ing around and not trying to play against me than I would a team running up the score. A blowout is a blowout, does not matter if its by 50, 60, or 100. What does matter is that no team should take pity on another because pity is what would piss me off more.

The other aspect of the story is that no one would say boo about this if the team that had been beaten had just been a regular high school. The fact that everyone is saying they are learning disabled is the only reason that this story even has legs. Learning disabilities are not like they are in wheelchairs or something, nor does the size of the school matter. Should you press, no but absolutely take 3s cause they are harder to hit.

Scrubs can play hard too. In fact, I'd say scrubs play harder than starters because they want to prove they can play. Covenant should have played the scrubs, period.

hades
01-25-2009, 07:09 PM
Like many of you, I am so tired of this story dragging on.

The girls that got their azzes kicked were not mentally challenged, some are dyslexic, etc. Maybe they thought they did have some points when they looked at the score board? Hilarious!

The coach of the team that ran the score up was fired today, I think that was BS. Probably get a gig at a college now!

oubronco
01-26-2009, 08:14 AM
coach gets FIRED

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/28845363/

Tombstone RJ
01-26-2009, 08:24 AM
coach gets FIRED

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/28845363/

good

Beantown Bronco
01-26-2009, 08:31 AM
They're not going to go public with this, but I have it on good authority that the only reason the coach got fired was because they didn't cover the 120 pt spread.

Hotrod
01-26-2009, 08:48 AM
I actually coached a freshman team once that was on the wrong end of a score like this. We were at a tourny and the only freshman squad involved playing. Went up against a varsity team and got drilled something like 80-6

****ers went into a full court press the last 8 minutes of the game. While I thought it was bull**** it just pissed my boys off and we went out next game against a JV team and put a pretty good hurting on them.

Drek
01-26-2009, 09:37 AM
Meh. This is some seriously misguided reasoning. The sports=life metaphor is both specious and just plain shallow. The value of such 'lessons' as the one the girls learned in in walloping the other team lead to a dog-eat-dog or Machiavellian reality.

There's no pride in doing the best you can when there's no dignity, no trial, no work, no hill for Sisyphus to push his rock up. Should I humiliate my son everytime we play Madden? When I race my wife in a parking lot to the car, should I straight out sprint and rush the moment away? When I'm in traffic should I simply drive as fast as I can? Of course not. Context always helps undermine any generalization, especially one so pollyanne-ish as "try the best at everything you do, all the time". The context here is pretty clear; there was nothing for the winning team to overcome by continuing to score points, and what they should 'try best at' is not simply scoring but being descent citizens and sincere sportsman/sportswoman.

I'm disappointed, Drek, I've found you to be pretty thoughtful and thorough in nearly all your posts in my short time here.
Of course context is important. And the context of this was a competitive sport between two different groups, without life, death, money, etc. on the line.

Sports =/= Life and that is why people acting like this is offensive makes no sense. It isn't a life or death issue and so it doesn't require charity to preserve whatever pretexts of propriety people are trying to force onto it.

I'm not a big fan of our government bailing out the banking industry because that was very possibly unnecessary charity. What people want here is just a small, sports world analog to that minus even the possibility of need. No accountability, coddle and protect when in reality there is nothing to coddle or protect anyone from. It was a basketball game, would a 100-0 beating from 1st stringers really sting more than a 89-2 one over half doled out by second and third stringers? I just don't see how, but then I'm not one to take charity from anyone so I guess its just my perspective.

SportinOne
01-26-2009, 10:22 AM
Gotta blame their AD for scheduling the game.

No... no no no..

I agreed with that until i read that they were a school for the learning disabled.

This is just downright ugly. You can't blame them for scheduling the game. It's not as if there are an abundance of other schools for the learning disabled with basketball teams, especially girls basketball teams.

Coming into the game, the coach should have known that his/her team was vastly better, and that a win was a given.. So you play your starters for a quarter to get them some work and then you send in the b and c teams.

As an uncle of a little girl with down syndrome, this makes me want to vomit...all over the head of that coach..

he should be fired and stat.

SportinOne
01-26-2009, 10:23 AM
I actually coached a freshman team once that was on the wrong end of a score like this. We were at a tourny and the only freshman squad involved playing. Went up against a varsity team and got drilled something like 80-6

****ers went into a full court press the last 8 minutes of the game. While I thought it was bull**** it just pissed my boys off and we went out next game against a JV team and put a pretty good hurting on them.

yeah but were you coaching a team of learning disabled students?

Hotrod
01-26-2009, 10:35 AM
yeah but were you coaching a team of learning disabled students?

Nope I missed that part of the story at first glance. Now I just wanna kick the coach in the nuts.

Hercules Rockefeller
01-26-2009, 10:38 AM
yeah but were you coaching a team of learning disabled students?

Tell me how girls with "learning differences" (this how it was described in the article, they were not identified as learning disabled) are somehow unable to play basketball like normal kids?

Please, the two "differences" listed in the article are dyslexia and short attention spans. I'd bet money this was an alternative high school, these weren't special ed kids they were playing.

Dagmar
01-26-2009, 10:39 AM
No... no no no..

I agreed with that until i read that they were a school for the learning disabled.

This is just downright ugly. You can't blame them for scheduling the game. It's not as if there are an abundance of other schools for the learning disabled with basketball teams, especially girls basketball teams.

Coming into the game, the coach should have known that his/her team was vastly better, and that a win was a given.. So you play your starters for a quarter to get them some work and then you send in the b and c teams.

As an uncle of a little girl with down syndrome, this makes me want to vomit...all over the head of that coach..

he should be fired and stat.
Dude, the short attention spans and dyslexia. They are not kids with downs or anything close.

Hotrod
01-26-2009, 10:46 AM
"short attention spans and dyslexia" that is far from special ed.

gyldenlove
01-26-2009, 10:59 AM
Here's a novel concept:

If you don't want a team to run the score up on you, how about you play some defense? And God forbid......hit a freaking shot or two yourself.

Or at the very least, put the goon in the game and start hacking the starters on the other team. You'll see the opposing coach go to the benchwarmers in no time.

I agree, statistically it is not even likely that you could avoid hitting the basket at least once during a game. Hell, even if every shot you took was from half court you would eventually fluke one.

I hate these mercy rule crybabies. If you don't want to lose then don't play, if your team hasn't won a game in 4 years you should probably consider trying something else....

Tombstone RJ
01-26-2009, 11:46 AM
"short attention spans and dyslexia" that is far from special ed.

Does it really matter? These girls could be academic all-stars for all I care but that ass-whoopng is still not jusified.

DomCasual
01-26-2009, 12:02 PM
I bet any one of those Covenant girls could bust off 2K in our system.

Sorry.

SportinOne
01-26-2009, 02:24 PM
Dude, the short attention spans and dyslexia. They are not kids with downs or anything close.

Sorry, knee jerk like the rest of you.. I just failed to read the rest because i got angry. However, i still have some issues with this...

If you have a 5 person team of basketball players and over the course of an entire game you don't score ONE SINGLE POINT, it goes beyond being REALLY bad. Chances are, none of the girls had ever played for more than a few minutes at a time shooting hoops outside or something. How do you think they felt getting pummeled like that when they already know they aren't good. They were just giving it their best shot. It's not like they were conference rivals in a down year for talent or something...

I now believe that the coach probably shouldn't have been fired, however, the AD needs to pull him into his office and figure out just what the heck is wrong with him.. i mean.. obviously the other team was no good, obviously they were incredibly inferior.. is there REALLY a need to score 100 points? I don't think they should have LET the other team score, it would have been nice but either way it's fine. I really just question the need for this blood thirsty scoring rampage, ESPECIALLY since the other team hadn't scored.

Man, this is just unfortunate to have happened. I guess what it all comes down to now is the coach of the losing team. He needs to drill it into his girls heads that it just doesn't matter, and that they need to keep going out there and competing and having fun.. it would be very easy for them to never want to play the game again after 100-0.

Hotrod
01-26-2009, 02:28 PM
FWIW that ass kicking (disrespectful as it was) my boys took motivated them to become quite the ass kicking machine going forward.

A good ass kicking will either force the weak to give up or the strong to stand up*.

Again just my 2 cents.


*obviously senario does not apply to the Bronco/Colts playoff series.

BABronco
01-26-2009, 03:15 PM
Sorry, knee jerk like the rest of you.. I just failed to read the rest because i got angry. However, i still have some issues with this...

If you have a 5 person team of basketball players and over the course of an entire game you don't score ONE SINGLE POINT, it goes beyond being REALLY bad. Chances are, none of the girls had ever played for more than a few minutes at a time shooting hoops outside or something. How do you think they felt getting pummeled like that when they already know they aren't good. They were just giving it their best shot. It's not like they were conference rivals in a down year for talent or something...

I now believe that the coach probably shouldn't have been fired, however, the AD needs to pull him into his office and figure out just what the heck is wrong with him.. i mean.. obviously the other team was no good, obviously they were incredibly inferior.. is there REALLY a need to score 100 points? I don't think they should have LET the other team score, it would have been nice but either way it's fine. I really just question the need for this blood thirsty scoring rampage, ESPECIALLY since the other team hadn't scored.

Man, this is just unfortunate to have happened. I guess what it all comes down to now is the coach of the losing team. He needs to drill it into his girls heads that it just doesn't matter, and that they need to keep going out there and competing and having fun.. it would be very easy for them to never want to play the game again after 100-0.

I'm tired about people still bitching about this. First, its a freaking game. GET OVER IT! Second if you can't score a single point you don't deserve to have a team especially if your team hasnt won a game in four years. The coach should get in no trouble what so ever.. albeit its too late for that.

Its bs he got fired. OMG he ran the score up during a basketball. Ahh... did somebody get their little feelings hurt?? STFU and play ball or get off the field. I mean if this was a special ed team i could understand the sympathy.

El Minion
01-27-2009, 12:40 PM
This story has gone national, Easterbrook on it (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/090127&sportCat=nfl):

...Running Up the Score Watch: For years TMQ has maintained that in cases of extreme running up the score it is the victor, not the vanquished, who should be mortified. For years TMQ has also maintained that high schools and colleges that condone or even applaud running up the score are violating their duty to teach character and sportsmanship. As noted by a huge number of readers including Mary Jennings of Dallas, finally a place of learning has acted as if it believed its own rhetoric regarding character. After the Covenant School defeated tiny Dallas Academy 100-0 at girls' basketball -- Dallas Academy has about 20 girls in the entire school, and has not won a girls' basketball game in four years -- the victors issued an apology. Covenant School called its own actions "shameful and an embarrassment." News reports said Covenant players were launching 3-pointers in the fourth quarter: The school admitted itself guilty of "victory without honor." Covenant fired the coach responsible for the debacle. If you're trying to beat up on a weak opponent, that says something about you -- and what it says is not flattering. At least Covenant School had the dignity to admit its poor behavior, and take action. Let's hear a round of applause for the person who made the admission, Kyle Queal, head of Covenant School. There are numerous high schools and colleges that should follow his good example....