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BroncoBuff
01-22-2009, 06:12 PM
If we can't get Raji, or we don't wanna trade up to get him, Ron Brace sounds like a fine alternative
in the 2nd or 3rd round ... that way we can draft an impact LB at #12.

Here's his capsule, ends with: "Two-gapper with the potential to be a top 3-4 nose tackle."



http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9277/73046645mz8.jpg

longtimer
01-22-2009, 06:54 PM
Good call..... We need a 2 stud ILB before we need any thing else

Ziggy
01-22-2009, 07:16 PM
Brace is a blue collar type of NT. He won't make flashy plays like Raji will, but he'll be a force against the run in the NFL. He reminds me of Casey Hampton of Pittsburgh, who was voted the Steelers defensive MVP by his teammates for the last 2 years.

Inkana7
01-22-2009, 07:21 PM
Good call..... We need a 2 stud ILB before we need any thing else

Not really. The cornerstone of any 3-4 defense is the NT.

Tombstone RJ
01-22-2009, 08:58 PM
If we can't get Raji, or we don't wanna trade up to get him, Ron Brace sounds like a fine alternative
in the 2nd or 3rd round ... that way we can draft an impact LB at #12.

Here's his capsule, ends with: "Two-gapper with the potential to be a top 3-4 nose tackle."



http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9277/73046645mz8.jpg

it'd b nice if the Broncos can land him...

lex
01-22-2009, 09:10 PM
Yeah, if we went with Wells or Brown at 12 then Brace in the 2nd, that would be ok.

Cecil Lammey
01-23-2009, 10:23 AM
I just got back from Mobile, and I was largely disappointed by what I saw from Brace. He got too high out of his stance, he'd make one move and then stop trying. I didn't like the lack of fire that I saw from Brace all week.

illbroncsfn
01-23-2009, 11:47 AM
I just got back from Mobile, and I was largely disappointed by what I saw from Brace. He got too high out of his stance, he'd make one move and then stop trying. I didn't like the lack of fire that I saw from Brace all week.

From your observations, were there any true 3-4 NT's on display? I don't really believe B.J. Raji is a 3-4 NT but possibly a hybrid type 1 Tech that is schemed around his abiltiy to disrupt the interior of the line.

Rohirrim
01-23-2009, 11:52 AM
Folks around here really need to read this draft profile. What do you think of this guy?

Overview
A number of Virginia Tech outside linebackers and defensive ends have had success over the years. Oftentimes, the tireless work of the defensive tackles who constantly took on multiple blockers in order to free up their teammates to make the big plays have been overshadowed.



Because of the constant multiple coverage that they face, the Hokies' defensive tackles do not have eye-opening statistics, but head coach Frank Beamer has noted the need for his defensive tackles to dominate vs. the inside running game.



While Tech has produced quality run-stuffing tackles in recent seasons, none has shown the ability to simply shut down the opposition's ground game the way Carlton Powell, Jr. can.



How dominant has Powell been? In 73 plays that he made vs. the run, he held the opponent to minus-21 yards rushing. Since Powell was inserted into the starting lineup, Tech has led the nation in total defense the last two years (2005-06) and led the Division 1-A ranks in scoring defense in 2006, after placing second the previous two seasons.



A prep inside linebacker during his first three years at Great Bridge High School, Powell shifted to defensive tackle as a senior while also competing on the offensive line. The All-Atlantic Region choice by Prep Star battled injuries during his final campaign, but still managed to registered 60 tackles, five sacks, five fumble recoveries and a blocked punt. As a junior, he totaled 80 tackles with seven sacks and 15 stops behind the line of scrimmage.



Powell added honorable mention All-Eastern Region accolades and received a three-star prospect rating from Rivals.com. He was rated the 24th-best player in Virginia by The Roanoke Times and the state's 15th-ranked prospect by Super Prep. He was also a member of Tom Lemming's Prep Football Report All-Mid Atlantic team. He was a standout weight performer on the school's track team, finishing seventh in the Group AAA outdoor shot put competition as a senior.



Powell enrolled at Virginia Tech in 2003, turning down scholarship offers from Maryland, East Carolina, North Carolina and Virginia. He spent his first season at Tech competing on the scout team. In 2004, he appeared in 13 games as part of the team's defensive tackle rotation. He registered 17 tackles (seven solo) with 7 1/2 stops behind the line of scrimmage, six quarterback pressures and a pass deflection. In 19 plays vs. the run, he held the opponent to minus-17 yards rushing.



As a sophomore, Powell started five of 12 games at defensive tackle, missing the Duke game after spraining his ankle vs. North Carolina State in the season opener. He made 13 tackles (three solo) with an assisted sack and 1 1/2 stops for losses. But, those statistics don't tell the story. Twelve of those tackles came vs. the run, as he held the opposition to minus-7 yards on those plays.



In 2006, Powell was firmly entrenched as the starter at left defensive tackle. He recorded a career-high 38 tackles (16 solo) with 2 1/2 sacks, 6 1/2 stops behind the line of scrimmage and seven pressures. He also recovered a fumble and deflected a pass. With increased playing time, he also improved his dominance vs. the ground game. In 39 running plays directed at him, Powell held firmly, as the opponent was held to minus-2 yards rushing.



The defensive tackle started 12 of the team's 13 games in 2007. He posted 36 tackles (nine solo) with 2 1/2 sacks, six stops for losses and 15 quarterback pressures. He also forced a fumble.



In 51 games at Virginia Tech, Powell started 31 contests. He recorded 104 tackles (35 solo) with 5 1/2 sacks for minus 40 yards, 21 1/2 stops for losses of 75 yards and 30 quarterback pressures. He recovered two fumbles, caused three others and deflected a pair of passes. In 106 running plays directed at him, Powell's tackles resulted in the opposition in being held to minus-13 yards on the ground.


Career Notes
Powell is the only active defensive tackle in the Division 1-A collegiate ranks to have held the opponent to minus yardage rushing during his career (106 plays for losses of 13 yards)...The only time an opponent registered a rushing attempt for more than 10 yards vs. Powell came on a 13-yard gain by Virginia's Mikell Simpson in 2007...Only four times during his 104 career tackles has the opposition managed to register a first down on that play.

driver
01-23-2009, 12:03 PM
Not really. The cornerstone of any 3-4 defense is the NT.

Absolutely Right! If we go to a 3-4? If we do we would need 2 NT's and 2olb's we sure can't expect any kind of pass coverage ability out of moss or dumervil, the only thing either one can do is put on a spin when they're rushing the qb their ability to turn and flow with a TE or RB is really questionable. We don't have the players to go to a 3-4!

Inkana7
01-23-2009, 04:52 PM
Absolutely Right! If we go to a 3-4? If we do we would need 2 NT's and 2olb's we sure can't expect any kind of pass coverage ability out of moss or dumervil, the only thing either one can do is put on a spin when they're rushing the qb their ability to turn and flow with a TE or RB is really questionable. We don't have the players to go to a 3-4!

Dude, we don't have the players to do anything.

BroncoBuff
01-23-2009, 09:11 PM
Carlton Powell

Career Notes

Powell is the only active defensive tackle in the Division 1-A collegiate ranks to have held the opponent to minus yardage rushing during his career (106 plays for losses of 13 yards)...The only time an opponent registered a rushing attempt for more than 10 yards vs. Powell came on a 13-yard gain by Virginia's Mikell Simpson in 2007...Only four times during his 104 career tackles has the opposition managed to register a first down on that play.

Holy Maroley! I still don't know how they tally up and individual average rush yards against, but that is one stone-cold-run-stuffer. He might be just 305 now, but he's still just a kid ... he could gain 20+ pounds in the next couple seasons and maybe grow into the 3-4 NT spot.



(Cue lex ... "But he was a low round pick, we can't count on low rounders!") ;D

BroncoMan4ever
01-24-2009, 01:18 AM
Holy Maroley! I still don't know how they tally up and individual average rush yards against, but that is one stone-cold-run-stuffer. He might be just 305 now, but he's still just a kid ... he could gain 20+ pounds in the next couple seasons and maybe grow into the 3-4 NT spot.



(Cue lex ... "But he was a low round pick, we can't count on low rounders!") ;D

even with 20 more pounds he would still be a little on the light side as a NT. but his college stats are incredible. if he was available this year, i seroiously doubt we would have gotten gashed as much on runs every week

Vladimir
01-24-2009, 07:23 AM
If we can't get Raji, or we don't wanna trade up to get him, Ron Brace sounds like a fine alternative
in the 2nd or 3rd round ... that way we can draft an impact LB at #12.

Here's his capsule, ends with: "Two-gapper with the potential to be a top 3-4 nose tackle."



http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9277/73046645mz8.jpg

ALOT of those listed weaknesses sound like they can be addressed by our coaching staff. Sounds like a solid pickup to me if we are really going with the 3-4 defense. :thumbsup:

lex
01-24-2009, 07:38 AM
Folks around here really need to read this draft profile. What do you think of this guy?

Overview
A number of Virginia Tech outside linebackers and defensive ends have had success over the years. Oftentimes, the tireless work of the defensive tackles who constantly took on multiple blockers in order to free up their teammates to make the big plays have been overshadowed.



Because of the constant multiple coverage that they face, the Hokies' defensive tackles do not have eye-opening statistics, but head coach Frank Beamer has noted the need for his defensive tackles to dominate vs. the inside running game.



While Tech has produced quality run-stuffing tackles in recent seasons, none has shown the ability to simply shut down the opposition's ground game the way Carlton Powell, Jr. can.



How dominant has Powell been? In 73 plays that he made vs. the run, he held the opponent to minus-21 yards rushing. Since Powell was inserted into the starting lineup, Tech has led the nation in total defense the last two years (2005-06) and led the Division 1-A ranks in scoring defense in 2006, after placing second the previous two seasons.



A prep inside linebacker during his first three years at Great Bridge High School, Powell shifted to defensive tackle as a senior while also competing on the offensive line. The All-Atlantic Region choice by Prep Star battled injuries during his final campaign, but still managed to registered 60 tackles, five sacks, five fumble recoveries and a blocked punt. As a junior, he totaled 80 tackles with seven sacks and 15 stops behind the line of scrimmage.



Powell added honorable mention All-Eastern Region accolades and received a three-star prospect rating from Rivals.com. He was rated the 24th-best player in Virginia by The Roanoke Times and the state's 15th-ranked prospect by Super Prep. He was also a member of Tom Lemming's Prep Football Report All-Mid Atlantic team. He was a standout weight performer on the school's track team, finishing seventh in the Group AAA outdoor shot put competition as a senior.



Powell enrolled at Virginia Tech in 2003, turning down scholarship offers from Maryland, East Carolina, North Carolina and Virginia. He spent his first season at Tech competing on the scout team. In 2004, he appeared in 13 games as part of the team's defensive tackle rotation. He registered 17 tackles (seven solo) with 7 1/2 stops behind the line of scrimmage, six quarterback pressures and a pass deflection. In 19 plays vs. the run, he held the opponent to minus-17 yards rushing.



As a sophomore, Powell started five of 12 games at defensive tackle, missing the Duke game after spraining his ankle vs. North Carolina State in the season opener. He made 13 tackles (three solo) with an assisted sack and 1 1/2 stops for losses. But, those statistics don't tell the story. Twelve of those tackles came vs. the run, as he held the opposition to minus-7 yards on those plays.



In 2006, Powell was firmly entrenched as the starter at left defensive tackle. He recorded a career-high 38 tackles (16 solo) with 2 1/2 sacks, 6 1/2 stops behind the line of scrimmage and seven pressures. He also recovered a fumble and deflected a pass. With increased playing time, he also improved his dominance vs. the ground game. In 39 running plays directed at him, Powell held firmly, as the opponent was held to minus-2 yards rushing.



The defensive tackle started 12 of the team's 13 games in 2007. He posted 36 tackles (nine solo) with 2 1/2 sacks, six stops for losses and 15 quarterback pressures. He also forced a fumble.



In 51 games at Virginia Tech, Powell started 31 contests. He recorded 104 tackles (35 solo) with 5 1/2 sacks for minus 40 yards, 21 1/2 stops for losses of 75 yards and 30 quarterback pressures. He recovered two fumbles, caused three others and deflected a pair of passes. In 106 running plays directed at him, Powell's tackles resulted in the opposition in being held to minus-13 yards on the ground.


Career Notes
Powell is the only active defensive tackle in the Division 1-A collegiate ranks to have held the opponent to minus yardage rushing during his career (106 plays for losses of 13 yards)...The only time an opponent registered a rushing attempt for more than 10 yards vs. Powell came on a 13-yard gain by Virginia's Mikell Simpson in 2007...Only four times during his 104 career tackles has the opposition managed to register a first down on that play.

Im glad we have this guy on the roster but he is also coming off of an injury and has not yet played his rookie season.

gyldenlove
01-25-2009, 01:07 PM
I made a list of the players with NT potential in the draft this year:

1. BJ Raji, BC
2. Ron Brace, BC
3. Dorell Scott, Clemson
4. Terrance Taylor, Michigan
5. Chris Baker, Hampton
6. Myron Pryor, Kentucky

Brace and Raji are the best, they have the fewest weaknesses, no character issues and are not from michigan.

Dorell Scott is middle of the pack, he would need some coaching and he may never be great, but he would be a solid player to have in rotation.

Taylor is from Michigan and the only thing worse than drafting a Michigan defensive lineman is having a horrible STD.

Baker has played pretty well this year, but has a couple of convictions and only performed well after transfering to a small school.

Pryor played well this year at Kentucky, he lacks the tools to be an every down starter, but could be a rotation player.

Paladin
01-25-2009, 03:17 PM
So with Brace and Baker. you'd have your NT rotation. Add Thomas and Powell, you'd have a good 4-3 line. There would be options.........

Mediator12
01-25-2009, 03:21 PM
I made a list of the players with NT potential in the draft this year:

1. BJ Raji, BC
2. Ron Brace, BC
3. Dorell Scott, Clemson
4. Terrance Taylor, Michigan
5. Chris Baker, Hampton
6. Myron Pryor, Kentucky

Brace and Raji are the best, they have the fewest weaknesses, no character issues and are not from michigan.

Dorell Scott is middle of the pack, he would need some coaching and he may never be great, but he would be a solid player to have in rotation.

Taylor is from Michigan and the only thing worse than drafting a Michigan defensive lineman is having a horrible STD.

Baker has played pretty well this year, but has a couple of convictions and only performed well after transfering to a small school.

Pryor played well this year at Kentucky, he lacks the tools to be an every down starter, but could be a rotation player.

You missed Sammie Lee Hill From Stillman. He might just be the only true 3-4 NT is the whole group. Was good enough to play DE @ 6-4 331 last season!

Brace and Raji were not looking very good on SAT versus a weaker group of interior OL in the game. I agree with Cecil that Brace was flat out not impressive at all for the whole week. He was not productive or even effective for me.

I like Dorrell Scott as a NT, but not as a 3-4 Type NT. Same thing With Chris Baker, who has compared to Howell in several other scouting reports I have seen.

I need to see more of Pryor before commenting, but he does not strike me as a Zero technique NT.

Paladin
01-25-2009, 03:32 PM
Med, I would never doubt your view, But I wonder if Maualuga at 1 with Brace at 2 and maybe a DE at three wouldn't make that Dline much better? Maybe Thomas and Powell and Doom and Clemons make the rotation look pretty good.

I guess I am looking to see vast improvement in teh front seven and the Dline in particular. Even if your start the year with rookies, you at least are looking at improvement to come. The only other area I think they would desperately need help in is S. Although an argument could be made for a replacement for Bly. But if the Dline is better......

oubronco
01-25-2009, 03:51 PM
If we can't get Raji, or we don't wanna trade up to get him, Ron Brace sounds like a fine alternative
in the 2nd or 3rd round ... that way we can draft an impact LB at #12.

Here's his capsule, ends with: "Two-gapper with the potential to be a top 3-4 nose tackle."



http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9277/73046645mz8.jpg

Brace wil not last to the second round NT's are a premium in the NFL

cutthemdown
01-25-2009, 03:53 PM
I don't think any of these DT worth a top 15 pick. They all have problems with their games.

Drek
01-25-2009, 04:00 PM
You missed Sammie Lee Hill From Stillman. He might just be the only true 3-4 NT is the whole group. Was good enough to play DE @ 6-4 331 last season!

Yep, got to agree with you on that. I was hoping we might grab him as a late round sleeper NT to develop behind a vet, but I got a feeling that if he goes to the combine he could turn some heads athletically and wind up in the 3rd or 4th round.

Even at that price I'd like to see us grab and develop him, though I'd greatly prefer paying only a 5th or a 6th. Maybe he minor ankle tweak he suffered in the Shrine game could help us out with that.

Mediator12
01-25-2009, 04:08 PM
Brace wil not last to the second round NT's are a premium in the NFL

Brace is not a second level talent and might not be a 3rd before it's all over. I am not sure where he fits right now, but an elite NT is way beyond what he is worth right now. What was blatantly apparent is that without Raji playing next to him and drawing the double teams, he could not beat weak top level college competition one on one. How the heck does that kind of guy play a 3-4 NT in the NFL?

I was hopeful on Brace leading into Mobile, not very much after.

oubronco
01-25-2009, 04:11 PM
the way the lst few years drafts have gone the so called best DT's go early even if they don't deserve it

Tombstone RJ
01-25-2009, 04:25 PM
the way the lst few years drafts have gone the so called best DT's go early even if they don't deserve it

yep. It's a keystone position and even in weak drafts, they are a priority. Brace sounds like an intereting prospect. Is he a premium DT in this class, no. Is he a viable first day pick, yep.

Mediator12
01-25-2009, 04:30 PM
I don't think any of these DT worth a top 15 pick. They all have problems with their games.

I agree. There is not a top tier DT in the whole bunch, but there are about 5 second tier DT's and 4 third tier guys. The best of the bunch may end up being Peria Jerry, then Raji. Plus, Moala and Hood played much better than Brace this week. After that, you get a group with Alex Magee, Senderrick Marks, Vance Walker, and Dorell Scott.

Not a single elite 3-4 NT in the bunch, with Raji the only one who could be good @ NT right away.

driver
01-25-2009, 05:12 PM
I just got back from Mobile, and I was largely disappointed by what I saw from Brace. He got too high out of his stance, he'd make one move and then stop trying. I didn't like the lack of fire that I saw from Brace all week.

Played too high? Maybe he can be coached out of this but I Dought it. Same goes for Raji. A 3-4 nt must play with leverage, play lower, 99 out of 100 snaps he'll be doubled. I haven't seen anybody this year who is a good candidate for nt!

elsid13
01-25-2009, 06:24 PM
Brace is not a second level talent and might not be a 3rd before it's all over. I am not sure where he fits right now, but an elite NT is way beyond what he is worth right now. What was blatantly apparent is that without Raji playing next to him and drawing the double teams, he could not beat weak top level college competition one on one. How the heck does that kind of guy play a 3-4 NT in the NFL?

I was hopeful on Brace leading into Mobile, not very much after.

Med, I think you are being a little tough on him. Brace actually performed better last season when Raji wasn't playing along side him. When this started I thought he was 3rd rounder, he has talent but it need development. I think the hype on the board brought up him to early 2nd. I wouldn't discredit this week, but it is only one week on practice you need to look at the complete picture.

cutthemdown
01-25-2009, 09:50 PM
I agree. There is not a top tier DT in the whole bunch, but there are about 5 second tier DT's and 4 third tier guys. The best of the bunch may end up being Peria Jerry, then Raji. Plus, Moala and Hood played much better than Brace this week. After that, you get a group with Alex Magee, Senderrick Marks, Vance Walker, and Dorell Scott.

Not a single elite 3-4 NT in the bunch, with Raji the only one who could be good @ NT right away.

Seems to me that it's the yr to take some linebackers.

Mediator12
01-26-2009, 06:42 AM
Med, I think you are being a little tough on him. Brace actually performed better last season when Raji wasn't playing along side him. When this started I thought he was 3rd rounder, he has talent but it need development. I think the hype on the board brought up him to early 2nd. I wouldn't discredit this week, but it is only one week on practice you need to look at the complete picture.

Nope, I have the tapes from 2 years ago as well as what I saw this week. Brace is not a dominant DT, he lacks explosion at the POA and gets pushed off the ball on initial contact. Now, he does anchor OK when he recovers, but he does not change the LOS. That is what you want from a first day DT.

A NT has got to be able to handle a double team and if one guy can push him off the LOS consistently, then that is not the guy you are looking for. Brace was big and strong in college, he is not showing that he can be a difference maker at the next level without help.

Mediator12
01-26-2009, 06:50 AM
Seems to me that it's the yr to take some linebackers.

I think the DT's are there too, just not a decent value BEFORE 15. This is a very deep second tier draft, versus a great top tier. That means there are very few elite prospects, but a better than average good starter level prospects in this draft. The second tier goes deeper into the draft than I can remember, but it lacks elite Star power with no Senior Skill guys.

LB's are a larger part of that equation, with only Curry being an Elite level Defender in the whole group. The rest are also in the second tier IMHO. However, that means about 6-7 LB's are in that group.

CB's are the same way, one elite guy in Jenkins and the rest are second tier. Safety's lack the elite Guy and have a ton of second tier.

Knowing that, DT is still a good way to go. I still firmly belive this defense is not going anywhere till they fix the DL, then Front seven and the rest will follow. That is regardless of 3-4 or 4-3. You have got to be able to stop route one and DEN has not been able to do that with any of its current DL personnel. None of these guys were here, minus Ekuban who should finally be cut, when DEN actually could stop the run. That has to change.

BroncoMan4ever
01-26-2009, 06:51 AM
i say if Raji is gone we trade back from 12 into the 20's pick up another 3rd rounder, Take Cushing in the 1st, Brace in the 2nd and Rashad Jennings in the 3rd.

cmhargrove
01-26-2009, 07:22 AM
Just a reminder again about how people see the draft.

Usually, a top 15 pick should be an immediate starter, or a guy with so much upside that you just can't pass on him.

I don't see any of these DT's as "immediate impact" guys, but in general that doesn't happen with the DT position. Most DT's really need 2-3 years to put on more size and get used to the workload in the NFL. Look at Bunkley for the Eagles. He looked like a man among boys at the combine, and had a very hard time adjusting to the pro game. Sedrick Ellis did pretty well, but Glen Dorsey might be the better DT by the end of 2009. It just takes a little time to develop a dominant DT.

If we take any of the DT's, they will be rotational guys this year, probably not anchors. That's just reaity. So, i'm starting top think that DE/LB could produce a more immediate starter in the first round. Or, you could even argue that the right offensive player could start game 1 next year. I'm not for it, but you need an impact player that high in the draft.

Raji would have a great upside in my opinion, he would be worth the 12 pick, but don't count on him dominating in 2009. He would be a beast in the right system by 2010.

gyldenlove
01-26-2009, 07:24 AM
Yep, got to agree with you on that. I was hoping we might grab him as a late round sleeper NT to develop behind a vet, but I got a feeling that if he goes to the combine he could turn some heads athletically and wind up in the 3rd or 4th round.

Even at that price I'd like to see us grab and develop him, though I'd greatly prefer paying only a 5th or a 6th. Maybe he minor ankle tweak he suffered in the Shrine game could help us out with that.

He is not a NT, if you look at practices from the Shrine game you will see he consistently gets controlled in 1 on 1 situations. The only move he has is bull rush and even at 330 lbs he couldn't use that to get by a center.

Hill is a 3-4 DE, he is just not strong enough or technically sound enough to hold up on the inside, he has to be on the outside where he will face less power.

I really like Hill as a prospect, but he is so raw and would take so much coaching that it will be years before he gets on the field consistently.

gyldenlove
01-26-2009, 07:26 AM
Just a reminder again about how people see the draft.

Usually, a top 15 pick should be an immediate starter, or a guy with so much upside that you just can't pass on him.

I don't see any of these DT's as "immediate impact" guys, but in general that doesn't happen with the DT position. Most DT's really need 2-3 years to put on more size and get used to the workload in the NFL. Look at Bunkley for the Eagles. He looked like a man among boys at the combine, and had a very hard time adjusting to the pro game. Sedrick Ellis did pretty well, but Glen Dorsey might be the better DT by the end of 2009. It just takes a little time to develop a dominant DT.

If we take any of the DT's, they will be rotational guys this year, probably not anchors. That's just reaity. So, i'm starting top think that DE/LB could produce a more immediate starter in the first round. Or, you could even argue that the right offensive player could start game 1 next year. I'm not for it, but you need an impact player that high in the draft.

Raji would have a great upside in my opinion, he would be worth the 12 pick, but don't count on him dominating in 2009. He would be a beast in the right system by 2010.

You are right that rookie defensive linemen rarely put up any production worth mentioning. That is all the more reason to draft one though, because if we get some good talent this year, then they will be ready for the 2010 or 2011 season, by that time we can have filled up with good safeties and linebackers as well. If we do it the other way around, we are looking at having a pretty good back 7 who will get torn apart because our front 4 won't be ready to play until we have to try to resign all these players to new contracts.

Mediator12
01-26-2009, 08:27 AM
He is not a NT, if you look at practices from the Shrine game you will see he consistently gets controlled in 1 on 1 situations. The only move he has is bull rush and even at 330 lbs he couldn't use that to get by a center.

Hill is a 3-4 DE, he is just not strong enough or technically sound enough to hold up on the inside, he has to be on the outside where he will face less power.

I really like Hill as a prospect, but he is so raw and would take so much coaching that it will be years before he gets on the field consistently.

I think you are right on how Hill played, but not seeing the whole picture. Hill was such a playmaker at that level that the coaches kicked him outside to where double teaming him every play would be impossible. It is not that he could not play NT, its just that getting doubled on the Nose took away their best DL playmaker. They made a position switch to take advantage of his skills.

As for being a 3-4 NT, Hill could be the best long term Prospect in the bunch. He is also the most raw and needs to play against a much higher level of competition every day to get better. He would NOT be an immediate impact guy and that is why he will go middle to late day 2, instead of earlier.

I think this is what is hard about the draft. Taking raw skillsets and projecting how players will play at the next level. Some guys can make the mental jump faster than others. I think Hill has what it takes to play NT, in 2 years at the earliest. What value does that make in the draft though and would other teams project his Length to impact any quicker and therefore evaluate him higher?

Projecting is where scouts and personnel people earn their keep and the rest of us just talk on a BB ;D