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Taco John
01-18-2009, 10:07 PM
It broke my heart to see McGahee on the ground like that. I don't usually choke up watching football, especially around my friends, but I found my throat getting a little dry watching this guy getting blown up, especially a cheap shot like that. I thought about his family, what his mother, or father, or brother, or wife, or child might think watching that - how they must feel. It affected me.

It really made me think about how I felt about the NFL changing those rules, and making it tough on the safeties. It gives me an appreciation for rule changes.

In any case, I just wanted to post some well wishes for McGahee to recover fully. You'll be in my prayers Willis.

Florida_Bronco
01-18-2009, 10:11 PM
I too hope Willis recovers, but I disagree about the hit. I don't think it was a dirty hit, and the announcers (who are usually quick to jump on helmet to helmet hits) seemed to share that sentiment.

But regardless, best wishes to Willis.

TheDave
01-18-2009, 10:13 PM
I too hope Willis recovers, but I disagree about the hit. I don't think it was a dirty hit, and the announcers (who are usually quick to jump on helmet to helmet hits) seemed to share that sentiment.

But regardless, best wishes to Willis.

Ditto...

From what they said on the telecast he had movement in all his extremities. FWIW that is a good sign.

Taco John
01-18-2009, 10:17 PM
To me, this is exactly the kind of hit that they make the rule for. He led with the crown of his helmet, and earholed him with the top of his head.


Look at this video at 50 seconds in. It's definitely helmet to helmet:

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I don't know that it was his intention to hit him H2H. But that's what happened. I'll bet he feels terrible. I feel bad for him too...

ludo21
01-18-2009, 10:19 PM
50k fine at least. Thats textbook illegal

Florida_Bronco
01-18-2009, 10:22 PM
Still gotta disagree with ya TJ. At 55 seconds it looks pretty clear that the side of the Steeler player's helmet was where the impact to the head originated, while the Steeler player's shoulder hit McGahee first.

And as the announcers said, helmet to helmet rule does not apply to open field runners, just defenseless receivers and quarterbacks in the pocket.

TDmvp
01-18-2009, 10:22 PM
Nfl networks team was calling it H2h , and i agree ...

Florida_Bronco
01-18-2009, 10:22 PM
50k fine at least. Thats textbook illegal

See above. I don't think this one will get fined.

Taco John
01-18-2009, 10:24 PM
Still gotta disagree with ya TJ. At 55 seconds it looks pretty clear that the side of the Steeler player's helmet was where the impact to the head originated, while the Steeler player's shoulder hit McGahee first.

I guess we'll agree to disagree... But we can both agree that we wish it didn't happen.


And as the announcers said, helmet to helmet rule does not apply to open field runners, just defenseless receivers and quarterbacks in the pocket.

He had just caught the ball and was turning up field.

Popps
01-18-2009, 10:24 PM
Absolutely agree with the thread, and my prayers go out to him.

I'm not 100% sure it looked illegal. It seemed like he led with his shoulder and forearm with his head more to the side, and the ball-carrier lowered his head and they made (unfortunate) perfect contact.

That said, I'm no expert on the rules regarding hits in that situation. Simms said it was a legal hit. But, maybe he's wrong.

Doesn't matter... I just hope the guy is O.K..

TDmvp
01-18-2009, 10:29 PM
any news on how he is ? I looked around and can't find much of a update .

It is pretty bad when NFL.com doesn't even have anything anywhere on it on the front page . Not even over on the right where they have headlines , even tho there is other injury news from today on the front page .

Florida_Bronco
01-18-2009, 10:33 PM
I guess we'll agree to disagree... But we can both agree that we wish it didn't happen. Amen.




He had just caught the ball and was turning up field.

He caught the ball and had already started running up field when he got hit. Certainly not defenseless, and you can even see him lower his shoulder for the impact.

BigPlayShay
01-18-2009, 10:36 PM
I too send my thoughts to McGahee. However, the hit was 100% legal as the rule states. There is no such thing as helmet to helmet when the offensive player is ruled to be a ball carrier. That is what McGahee was ruled as on that play, a ball carrier. That right there is the issue, the fine line that exists between when a receiver is "defenseless" and when the receiver is deemed a "ball carrier". It takes me back to when Lynch had a hit on Dallas Clark in the 2004 Regular season game against the Colts. Had Clark had one more foot on the ground then the hit would have been legal. They ruled it incomplete, thus Lynch was penalized. However, earlier in the season Lynch laid an equally devastating hit on Jesse Chatman of the Chargers. The difference was that Chatman took a hand off and Lynch destroyed him.

It is too fine a line and these players are moving way to fast to know when the receiver is going to be ruled defenseless or a ball carrier. If anything it should be something that can be reviewed by instant replay.

The silver lining in all of this is that these players have the best medical people on scene to deal with these injuries as we saw with Kevin Everett of the Bills last year.

Sassy
01-18-2009, 10:38 PM
any news on how he is ? I looked around and can't find much of a update .

It is pretty bad when NFL.com doesn't even have anything anywhere on it on the front page . Not even over on the right where they have headlines , even tho there is other injury news from today on the front page .

NFLN just ran a line saying he will stay overnight in the hospital due to a possible neck injury sustained from a hit by Ryan Clark.

Blueflame
01-18-2009, 10:39 PM
It was a very scary injury... hopefully Willis makes a full recovery. :pray:

TheDave
01-18-2009, 10:41 PM
Hate to sound like an old fart but if you got rid of the helmets and significantly shrunk up the shoulder pads you would get rid of a lot of these injuries.

Orange_Beard
01-18-2009, 10:41 PM
I agree. This is my least favorite part of the game.
It was not an illegal. No way.

TDmvp
01-18-2009, 10:43 PM
NFLN just ran a line saying he will stay overnight in the hospital due to a possible neck injury sustained from a hit by Ryan Clark.

Ty...

Taco John
01-18-2009, 10:44 PM
Hate to sound like an old fart but if you got rid of the helmets and significantly shrunk up the shoulder pads you would get rid of a lot of these injuries.


I don't think the players union would ever go for that. I doubt they agree with this line of reasoning.

Sassy
01-18-2009, 10:46 PM
Ty...

Not much but it was all I could find also.

TDmvp
01-18-2009, 10:47 PM
I don't think the players union would ever go for that. I doubt they agree with this line of reasoning.

yea i think that would be like saying there would be a lot less head trauma deaths on bikes if we made them take off the helmets so they would slow down and be more careful , they would play the game at the same speed and with guys that big you take a elbow to the head and it might kill you ...

TheDave
01-18-2009, 10:53 PM
I don't think the players union would ever go for that. I doubt they agree with this line of reasoning.

I know it would never happen, it would cut down on the "Big Hits" way too much. My reasoning behind this is that with all this padding these guys are comfortable becoming a human missle... get rid of some of the padding and collisions tend to turn into tackles (see rugby or Australian rules football)

Regardless, I'm not trying to hijack this thread, It's just my opinion... Best wishes to McGahee

Sassy
01-18-2009, 11:07 PM
PITTSBURGH (TICKER) —Baltimore Ravens running back Willis McGahee was hospitalized Sunday night after absorbing a jarring hit late in the latter stages of the AFC championship game against the Pittsburgh Steelers.

McGahee was carted off the field late in the game after a helmet-to-helmet hit involving Steelers safety Ryan Clark.

After laying on the field for several minutes, McGahee was strapped to a cart and brought to the locker room, where it was announced that he had movement in his arms and legs, but was suffering from extreme neck pain.

McGahee later was taken to Presbyterian Hospital, where doctors said he is “neurologically intact.” He is expected to remain hospitalized overnight.

McGahee rushed for 60 yards and two touchdowns in the Ravens’ 23-14 loss to Pittsburgh.

Sassy
01-18-2009, 11:07 PM
PITTSBURGH (AP)—Baltimore Ravens running back Willis McGahee was carted off the field Sunday after taking a hard hit to the helmet by Pittsburgh safety Ryan Clark.

The Ravens said he had “significant neck pain” but movement in his arms and legs.

McGahee caught a pass and took two steps before Clark stopped him with a helmet-to-helmet hit. McGahee’s neck snapped back and he immediately dropped to the ground.

He lay motionless for several minutes before being lifted onto a stretcher and taken away on a cart. McGahee clasped hands with teammate Ed Reed before he was taken off the field.

The play occurred with 3:29 left in Pittsburgh’s 23-14 victory.

“It was a heck of a hit, for one thing,” Baltimore coach John Harbaugh said. “Your first thought is obviously concern for Willis. Once we got out there, and hearing the doctors talk and see him move around, you felt like it was going to be OK. Both sides obviously had concerns, but we were happy it was not immediately serious at that point.”

Dozens of players gathered around McGahee and Clark, both of whom were floored on the play.

“We hope that Willis is OK,” Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger said. “We’re keeping him in our prayers. I know how scary that is. I started getting a little emotional when I saw him down there and the cart was coming out. That’s the nature of this rivalry.”

McGahee scored both Baltimore touchdowns and finished with 60 yards rushing, most by anyone on either team.

The hit also left Clark groggy. He had a dazed look as he wobbled off the field, his arms draped around a pair of Steelers staffers.

Dagmar
01-18-2009, 11:10 PM
I hope he's ok, it was a sad end to an extraordinary day of football.

Jason in LA
01-18-2009, 11:20 PM
I hope that he is okay.

That is a legal hit. But it wouldn't shock me if the league fined him because their rule has way too much grey area. When the defenseless receiver rule was first put into place it was to protect receivers who were in the air catching a ball. Once they returned to the ground they were a ball carrier. But John Lynch got flagged for hitting Dallas Clark. Clark caught the ball, took three steps before Lynch knocked the crap out of him, and Lynch got flagged. It was BS. They pretty much changed their rule without changing the rule. They've done that with other rules as well.

Some rules have way too much grey area.

I'd say that there was nothing dirty about that hit, and he shouldn't be fined.

Los Broncos
01-18-2009, 11:22 PM
That was a crushing hit, thoughts go out to him.

mr007
01-18-2009, 11:24 PM
To me, this is exactly the kind of hit that they make the rule for. He led with the crown of his helmet, and earholed him with the top of his head.


Look at this video at 50 seconds in. It's definitely helmet to helmet:

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I don't know that it was his intention to hit him H2H. But that's what happened. I'll bet he feels terrible. I feel bad for him too...

Clark was already off his feet and leading with his shoulder, McGahee happened to lower his head right into him. It was a vicious hit, but a clean one in my opinion.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2009, 11:45 PM
The hit was obviously helmet-to-helmet. You dont lead with the crown of the head and project it into the other players head-shoulders area without expecting to do some damage.

The player was trying to establish posession and was defenseless.

Bad hit.

Definitely worthy of a fine.

Florida_Bronco
01-18-2009, 11:56 PM
The hit was obviously helmet-to-helmet. You dont lead with the crown of the head and project it into the other players head-shoulders area without expecting to do some damage.

The player was trying to establish posession and was defenseless.

Bad hit.

Definitely worthy of a fine.

Didn't I put you on ignore?

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2009, 11:59 PM
Didn't I put you on ignore?

Great thinkin' there Ponch.

epicSocialism4tw
01-19-2009, 12:03 AM
Did anyone else notice the ridiculous party music that the Steelers' PA was blasting while McGahee was on the ground? I couldnt believe it, but then again these are the Steelers.

Atwater His Ass
01-19-2009, 12:03 AM
It's pointless to argue if the hit was legal or not. What's important is that we all hope for a speedy recovery for McGahee.

ElwayMD
01-19-2009, 12:05 AM
Don't think they have a supply of somber classical music numbers at the stadium...and I don't think that Mike Tomlin has final say on the musical selections during injury timeouts.

BroncoMan4ever
01-19-2009, 01:18 AM
Nfl networks team was calling it H2h , and i agree ...

he led with his shoulder and the side of his helmet hit McGahee. it isn't the helmet to helmet collision that put McGahee down, it was the force they were coming at each other with.

that was incidental contact and not deliberate.

Sassy
01-19-2009, 04:42 AM
ESPN radio reported that he's been deemed "neurologically sound".
NFLN said this am "McGahee's fine with movement in all extremities".

NYBronco
01-19-2009, 04:57 AM
Clark was already off his feet and leading with his shoulder, McGahee happened to lower his head right into him. It was a vicious hit, but a clean one in my opinion.

Agree... I wish them both a speedy and full recovery but the hit was legal and there should be no fines.

DB Doom
01-19-2009, 07:13 AM
Lets hope that no long term injury ends anyones career but as far as the hit goes..big deal, i wish they would have blasted Flacco like that. feelin sorry for the most arrogant team ever is something these Raven fans around me will just not allow me to do. i have heard it all, and will accept the fact that I'm classless when it comes to the Ravens..So be it. ;D

WolfpackGuy
01-19-2009, 07:18 AM
Clean hit.
McGahee won't be sending any Christmas cards to Flacco for hanging him out to dry like that...

Orange_Beard
01-19-2009, 07:19 AM
Did anyone else notice the ridiculous party music that the Steelers' PA was blasting while McGahee was on the ground? I couldnt believe it, but then again these are the Steelers.

Yes.

footstepsfrom#27
01-19-2009, 07:45 AM
I'm not sure if it was illegal or not, but it was definitely helmet to helmet...the whole defenseless receiver thing opens the door to a lot of subjectivity.

broncofan7
01-19-2009, 07:48 AM
I'm not sure if it was illegal or not, but it was definitely helmet to helmet...the whole defenseless receiver thing opens the door to a lot of subjectivity.

I agree about the subjectivity but when a player goes to make a tackle and leans his body forward at all--and the player with the ball lowers his shoulder--that ball carriers head will be exposed as will the tacklers head and they are bound to meet 'helmet-helmet'. This is just part of the game.

Kaylore
01-19-2009, 07:50 AM
I'm someone who didn't think it was the cleanest hit in the world, but I also have seen much dirtier. McGahee lowered his head during the impact and that made things worse. Bottom line is it sounds like he's ok and will be able to walk again. My heart goes out to him and the Ravens.

Broncoman13
01-19-2009, 08:07 AM
Absolutely agree with the thread, and my prayers go out to him.

I'm not 100% sure it looked illegal. It seemed like he led with his shoulder and forearm with his head more to the side, and the ball-carrier lowered his head and they made (unfortunate) perfect contact.

That said, I'm no expert on the rules regarding hits in that situation. Simms said it was a legal hit. But, maybe he's wrong.

Doesn't matter... I just hope the guy is O.K..


My feelings exactly. It looked like it was head to head after watching several replays, but it also looked like he did everything he could to lead with is shoulder. It was a brutal hit that was meant to bring bad intentions. In a championship game I would expect as much. If this were a Steve Atwater hit we would be saying the same things... Willis, I hope you get well soon... what a brutal hit!

jsco70
01-19-2009, 08:41 AM
This hit is another example why these guys get paid millions of dollars. Football is the most vicious sport where a split second can end a career. It's a risk every player takes the moment they step on the field. Hell, they even make the parents of pee-wee football players sign a waiver.

As for the hit, it appeared to me Clark led with his shoulder, with his helmet to the side. I don't believe it warrents any punnishment whatsoever. Thankfully, based on the recent reports, both players escaped serious injury.

Hogan11
01-19-2009, 09:23 AM
The hit was legal. He's gonna be okay.

Simply Red
01-19-2009, 09:26 AM
No question, I was concerned, I prayed right along w/ Ray Lewis. I really do hope he pulls through okay, I'm sure he will, God willing.. :sunshine:

Rohirrim
01-19-2009, 09:35 AM
Good, clean hit. McGahee will be okay. No harm, no foul. That's what the NFL is all about.

lex
01-19-2009, 09:48 AM
The hit was obviously helmet-to-helmet. You dont lead with the crown of the head and project it into the other players head-shoulders area without expecting to do some damage.

The player was trying to establish posession and was defenseless.

Bad hit.

Definitely worthy of a fine.


I agree. Not only did he lead with his head but he left is feet too, essentially launching himself head first at McGahee. A few years ago we had guys that got fined for something similar. I expect no less now.

Dudeskey
01-19-2009, 09:54 AM
Thoughts go out to his family. I'm sure Clark will be fined although I didn't think that was a dirty hit. Sounds like McGahee will be okay, but i couldn't help but think of John Mobley and so many others that had to hang it up after a neck injury.

gyldenlove
01-19-2009, 10:03 AM
I didn't think it was a clean hit, he clearly has the crown of his helmet out front, there is no way he was ever going to make impact with anything other than the helmet first, he left his feet into a defenseless receiver. It was made much worse by Mcgahees head coming down at the last second, I think it is a helmet to chest hit if he doesn't bend.

I heard it was deemed a severe concussion.

Based on how some people were getting suspended early in the season it is only fair if Clark gets a game in the media box for that one, it was clearly a potentialy dangerous play.

Garcia Bronco
01-19-2009, 10:05 AM
He led with his shoulder and it's legal, IMO.

BigPlayShay
01-19-2009, 10:33 AM
I didn't think it was a clean hit, he clearly has the crown of his helmet out front, there is no way he was ever going to make impact with anything other than the helmet first, he left his feet into a defenseless receiver. It was made much worse by Mcgahees head coming down at the last second, I think it is a helmet to chest hit if he doesn't bend.

I heard it was deemed a severe concussion.

Based on how some people were getting suspended early in the season it is only fair if Clark gets a game in the media box for that one, it was clearly a potentialy dangerous play.

By rule since McGahee was ruled as a ball carrier the hit is 100% legal. Your opinion combined with your avatar that depicts a hit that has been brought up in this thread multiple times is hilarious.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=5365&dateline=1142689486

Atlas
01-19-2009, 10:46 AM
Great hit. Rub some dirt on it and get back into the game.

TonyR
01-19-2009, 10:57 AM
Brian Dawkins put a vicious, top of the helmet hit on Adrian Peterson two weeks ago and there was no fine. Dawkins leaves his feet and goes helmet first all the time and he never gets called out for it. Until the league cracks down on it expect it to continue.

jonny1
01-19-2009, 11:20 AM
Completely legal hit.

Unfortunate result.

I'd be willing to bet there will be no fine.

Inkana7
01-19-2009, 11:21 AM
It looked like Ray Lewis was about to cry. I guess those "U" roots run deep.

bjeffrey
01-19-2009, 11:25 AM
If McGahee is OK, and it seems he will be, that's something we can all cheer about. Me, I was struck by the irony of Ray Lewis kneeling in prayer for endless minutes. This from a guy who either participated in a stabbing death, or helped to cover it up. Love the player, can't stand the man.

OABB
01-19-2009, 11:42 AM
It looked like Ray Lewis was about to cry. I guess those "U" roots run deep.

nope. i think seeing a body motionless on the floor made him panic. he didn't have his car keys on him.

gyldenlove
01-19-2009, 11:43 AM
By rule since McGahee was ruled as a ball carrier the hit is 100% legal. Your opinion combined with your avatar that depicts a hit that has been brought up in this thread multiple times is hilarious.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=5365&dateline=1142689486

Just because it is in the rules doesn't make it right. Slavery was legal for a long time that didn't make it okay.

At least Kevin Everett didn't lose his career for nothing, I love how they are cracking down on obviously dangerous plays....

lex
01-19-2009, 01:25 PM
Completely legal hit.

Unfortunate result.

I'd be willing to bet there will be no fine.

Poppycock.

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/penaltysummaries

http://www.football.com/nfl/rules.html

Control find spearing in the above links.

lex
01-19-2009, 01:26 PM
Just because it is in the rules doesn't make it right. Slavery was legal for a long time that didn't make it okay.

At least Kevin Everett didn't lose his career for nothing, I love how they are cracking down on obviously dangerous plays....

Spearing is illegal.

Tombstone RJ
01-19-2009, 01:37 PM
Spearing is illegal.

It wasn't a spear.

lex
01-19-2009, 01:38 PM
It wasn't a spear.

Access the second link. It tells you what spearing is.

Here. Ill help you.

Penalties Against Either Team

Spearing: A tackle or any kind of contact when the player leads the tackle with his helmet. The referee signals this by placing his closed fist against the side of his head.

Tombstone RJ
01-19-2009, 01:47 PM
Access the second link. It tells you what spearing is.

Here. Ill help you.

He didn't lead with his helmet.



Have you ever played the game?

lex
01-19-2009, 01:51 PM
He didn't lead with his helmet.



Have you ever played the game?

Sure he did.

Tombstone RJ
01-19-2009, 01:57 PM
Sure he did.

dude, without going to a text book, and in your own wrds, how do you tackle an opposing player carrying the football?

listopencil
01-19-2009, 01:59 PM
Clark was trying to hit with his shoulder pad. Unintentional for what it's worth.

DB-Freak
01-19-2009, 02:00 PM
Actually hard to tell if it was H2H.

broncofan7
01-19-2009, 02:00 PM
Legislating tackling is an impossible task. Give 'em all flags for god sakes.

DB-Freak
01-19-2009, 02:02 PM
dude, without going to a text book, and in your own wrds, how do you tackle an opposing player carrying the football?

Dropkick him.

lex
01-19-2009, 02:04 PM
dude, without going to a text book, and in your own wrds, how do you tackle an opposing player carrying the football?

Shoulder or elbow. You can get inured too if you lead with your head.

DB-Freak
01-19-2009, 02:06 PM
Shoulder or elbow. You can get inured too if you lead with your head.

No matter your head will lead first.

You can't understand why that is, I feel sorry for you.

TheDave
01-19-2009, 02:06 PM
Shoulder or elbow. You can get inured too if you lead with your head.

Huh... I don't think I've ever seen someone tackled with an elbow.

lex
01-19-2009, 02:15 PM
Huh... I don't think I've ever seen someone tackled with an elbow.


You've never hit someone with a forearm/elbow when playing football?

TheDave
01-19-2009, 02:17 PM
You've never hit someone with a forearm/elbow when playing football?


Hit... yes (with the forearm)

Tackled... No

lex
01-19-2009, 02:17 PM
No matter your head will lead first.

You can't understand why that is, I feel sorry for you.

I also played football. I was more of a wrap up tackler.

lex
01-19-2009, 02:17 PM
Hit... yes (with the forearm)

Tackled... No

If you hit someone and they go down, its a tackle, no?

Florida_Bronco
01-19-2009, 02:21 PM
It appears Lex is making a play for Angryllama's (aka McSkillet) spot as drama king of the Mane.

Rohirrim
01-19-2009, 02:26 PM
I played MLB in school. I tried to hit people with whatever I had available at the moment. I wanted to see a big snot bobble come through their mask. I wanted the guy to look like a yard sale. I wanted his mother to be crying in the stands. I wanted the aholes in the opposing stands to boo me. And yes, since then I have had therapy. I'm calmer now. ;D

baja
01-19-2009, 02:45 PM
Huh... I don't think I've ever seen someone tackled with an elbow.

Champ tried that once, went under the knife for his efforts too.

lex
01-19-2009, 03:12 PM
I played MLB in school. I tried to hit people with whatever I had available at the moment. I wanted to see a big snot bobble come through their mask. I wanted the guy to look like a yard sale. I wanted his mother to be crying in the stands. I wanted the aholes in the opposing stands to boo me. And yes, since then I have had therapy. I'm calmer now. ;D

I was a DB. I just wanted to make sure to get the guy down.

Florida_Bronco
01-19-2009, 03:13 PM
I played MLB in school. I tried to hit people with whatever I had available at the moment. I wanted to see a big snot bobble come through their mask. I wanted the guy to look like a yard sale. I wanted his mother to be crying in the stands. I wanted the aholes in the opposing stands to boo me. And yes, since then I have had therapy. I'm calmer now. ;D

Too bad they couldn't fix that annoying problem of you being a CU fan.



:-*

Rohirrim
01-19-2009, 03:19 PM
Too bad they couldn't fix that annoying problem of you being a CU fan.



:-*

I have faith in the Hawk. We shall rise again! ;D

Jason in LA
01-19-2009, 04:14 PM
I played mostly CB, and was a punt and kickoff returner. I led with my head all the time. I liked to hear that "ding". I didn't lead with the crown of my head though. That's not safe. Coach always said to see what you hit. So I led with my forehead mostly. Sometimes the side of my helmet.

Hell, even when I had the ball I led with my head. If I had nowhere to go, I'd just try to run the guy over. If he's going to tackle me then he's going to have to pay the price.

Atwater His Ass
01-19-2009, 04:15 PM
It looked like Ray Lewis was about to cry. I guess those "U" roots run deep.

I couldn't help but get the feeling that ray ray was just taking the opportunity to get some free tv time. Everyone else is either off on the sidelines or huddled around McGahee. But ray ray? He's got to put on a little "i'm praying and so sad show" a couple yards away from the circle, but sure enough to be in the tv shot.

Perhaps my raging hate for the guy blinds my perspective.

Inkana7
01-19-2009, 04:16 PM
I was 5'7", 145 when I played CB and RB in High School. I juked on offense and was an ankle-biter on D. I wasn't a fan of contact with larger men.

SouthStndJunkie
01-19-2009, 04:56 PM
MCGAHEE SAYS HIS NECK IS “SORE AS HELL”

Posted by Mike Florio on January 19, 2009, 6:01 p.m. EST

Ravens running back Willis McGahee spoke to the media on Monday regarding the wicked hit from Steelers safety Ryan Clark late in Sunday’s AFC Championship game.

McGahee, who confirmed that he suffered a concussion, was initially knocked unconscious. He then suffered some amnesia as he was transported to a local hospital.

“I blacked out,” he said, according to Aaron Wilson of the Carroll County Times. “I woke up when they were taking my facemask off. I opened my eyes and I was talking. The next thing I knew I woke up in some room and they were taking me to the ambulance.”

Though his arms and legs initially went numb, McGahee said that the MRI and CAT scans were normal.

“I didn’t see the guy coming,” he said. “I don’t even know who it was.”

McGahee agreed it was the “hardest hit” he ever took, and that his neck is still “sore as hell.” But it sounds like he’d be ready to play again right now if he could.

“We know the success you’ll have and the downfall you’ll have when you play this game,” McGahee said. “If that was the case, I wouldn’t have come back from my knee injury.”

He added that Steelers cornerback Bryant McFadden already has called him, and that Steelers coach Mike Tomlin has tried to get in touch with him.

McGahee reiterated that he wants to be in Baltimore, even though he expressed some lingering frustration regarding his reduced role this season. Converted fullback Le’Ron McClain led the team in rushing as he and McGahee shared touches.

“When I found out I would be the featured back [on Sunday night], it wasn’t like I ran around with my head off screaming,” he said. “This was my first AFC championship. We were excited. We wanted to perform and win.”

Though it didn’t work out, McGahee definitely did his part, scoring two touchdowns and suffering a potentially serious injury while trying to rally the team late.

Tombstone RJ
01-19-2009, 05:01 PM
I played mostly CB, and was a punt and kickoff returner. I led with my head all the time. I liked to hear that "ding". I didn't lead with the crown of my head though. That's not safe. Coach always said to see what you hit. So I led with my forehead mostly. Sometimes the side of my helmet.

Hell, even when I had the ball I led with my head. If I had nowhere to go, I'd just try to run the guy over. If he's going to tackle me then he's going to have to pay the price.

exatly, see what you hit.

I was tought to put my face mask on the ball, then wrap up, explode THROUGH the player, driving with your legs.

Text book hit will flatten the guy every time and cause a fumble too.

Obviously, you lead with your shoulder, but that is easier said than done....


I had great coaches...

Rock Chalk
01-19-2009, 05:06 PM
Clean hit.
McGahee won't be sending any Christmas cards to Flacco for hanging him out to dry like that...

Flacco threw a great pass, McGahee caught it, TURNED, took two steps, and was waylaid. Unfortunate, but no one's fault, certainly not a errant Flacco pass. What the hell else could he have done?

azbroncfan
01-19-2009, 05:12 PM
I hope he is okay especially for all his kids out of wedlock. I believe there are 5. He lost to Henry 9-5 when they were in Buffalo.

oubronco
01-19-2009, 05:41 PM
McGahee out of hospital; full recovery expected

Ravens running back Willis McGahee returned to his Baltimore home Monday after spending the night in a Pittsburgh hospital recovering from a helmet-to-helmet hit in the AFC championship game against the Steelers.McGahee was carted from the field on a stretcher Sunday after colliding with Steelers safety Ryan Clark. The play occurred in the fourth quarter of Pittsburgh's 23-14 victory.Although he had significant neck pain, McGahee had movement in his arms and legs after the hit.

Willis McGahee joined his teammates Monday at Baltimore's training complex after doctors told him he would make a full recovery from a fierce helmet-to-helmet hit in the AFC championship game that had him carted off the field.

"I'm all right. Everything is OK," the running back told reporters as the cleared out their lockers. "The MRI and the CAT scan checked out good. I was scared, but I didn't know how serious it was. It was pretty intense."
The play occurred in the fourth quarter of Pittsburgh's 23-14 victory. McGahee had just caught a pass and taken two steps before being met by safety Ryan Clark, who drove his helmet into McGahee's facemask. McGahee's head snapped back, and he lost the ball as he dropped to the ground.
"I didn't even see him coming," McGahee said.
Clark also collapsed, though it was immediately apparent that his injury wasn't serious. Players from both teams gathered around McGahee, who lay motionless before being taken away.
"I blacked out. I woke up when they were taking my facemask off," McGahee said. "I opened my eyes and I was talking. The next thing I knew I woke up in some room and they were taking me to the ambulance."
McGahee said he has a concussion and his neck is extremely sore. But he said he would be ready to go next season.
He hadn't watched the replay of the hit by late Monday afternoon, but his memory of the aftermath was vivid.
"I felt like I was OK when I was on the ground, regained consciousness and starting moving," he said. "But then they told me not to move, so I started to get a little worried. After we got inside they took X-rays and told me everything was OK."
As a precaution, McGahee was taken to UPMC Presbyterian Hospital for a CAT scan and MRI, then held overnight for observation. He was released early Monday morning and dropped by his home in Baltimore before attending a team meeting.
Starting at tailback in place of the banged-up Le'Ron McClain, McGahee ran for 60 yards and two touchdowns. "I just wanted to make a difference in the football game. This was my first AFC championship game," he said.

Popps
01-19-2009, 08:04 PM
Good to hear he's O.K..

Now that we know he is... and the hit was seemingly legal, can I say... what a ****ing hit!?

We need some ****ers like that out there, blowing up ball-carriers. I just can't wait to see how things play out on D.

Tombstone RJ
01-19-2009, 08:10 PM
it was a great hit, blindingly fast, lights out.

Taco John
01-19-2009, 08:58 PM
Definitely glad to hear he is going to make a full recovery. I hate seeing when a player loses the ability to walk.

Apparently the hit was legal, so I take back the cheap shot comment. But if it was John Lynch or Kenoy Kennedy laying that hit in a Broncos uniform, he'd have been fined.

Simply Red
01-20-2009, 11:12 AM
Great hit. Rub some dirt on it and get back into the game.

ROFL!