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DBroncos4life
01-18-2009, 06:18 PM
How does his career rank now? I'm not sure how many other QBs have taken two teams to the SB but his comeback this year was amazing to see. I wonder just how many yards he would have had if he wouldn't have been a back up and got a late start in the NFL.

Tankgunner95
01-18-2009, 06:20 PM
Has anyone seen his wife, D@mn she is a dime LOL

Bronx33
01-18-2009, 06:22 PM
2 the other was craig morton.

DBroncos4life
01-18-2009, 06:24 PM
2 the other was craig morton.

I knew there was atleast one, funny I would forget that he was a Bronco lol.

socalorado
01-18-2009, 06:26 PM
I wasa thinking that if he won the SB it would be cool to pull an Elway and retire.

ludo21
01-18-2009, 06:27 PM
HOF for sure with a SB win..

With a loss, it will be close, but I doubt its enough for him. He has been awesome, and I for one am amazed how awesome he has been for the Cards this season. It is a real cool thing to witness

MechanicalBull
01-18-2009, 06:29 PM
Before this year I wouldn't say he was a hall of famer but now I'd say he is borderline and I'd maybe even put him in.

He greatly help improve the Rams and Cards. Been to now 3 superbowls with winning one. 2x mvp. He has played about 10 yrs now.

BroncoDoug
01-18-2009, 06:42 PM
he also had like a three year stretch where he was freakish in his numbers...

24champ
01-18-2009, 06:56 PM
I wasa thinking that if he won the SB it would be cool to pull an Elway and retire.

Yes and Leinart will step in and pull a Griese.

BroncoBuff
01-18-2009, 07:01 PM
Kurt Warner is a great great passer, Hall of Fame now that he's taken this sorry franchise to a Super Bowl.

But he is a Marino-Fouts type player: Big arm, but a warm-weather or dome QB only. Like Marino and Fouts before him, his career wouldda wilted in the cold ... take today for example: The weather in Philly must be similar to Pittsburgh ... does anybody honestly believe the Cards would've won that game in Philadelphia? And because in my opinion this Super Bowl appearance seals Warner's Hall-of-Fame credentials, a road game today might've made the difference in keeping him OUT of the Hall.

Just my opinion.

Dagmar
01-18-2009, 07:15 PM
Kurt Warner is a great great passer, Hall of Fame now that he's taken this sorry franchise to a Super Bowl.

But he is a Marino-Fouts type player: Big arm, but a warm-weather or dome QB only. Like Marino and Fouts before him, his career wouldda wilted in the cold ... take today for example: The weather in Philly must be similar to Pittsburgh ... does anybody honestly believe the Cards would've won that game in Philadelphia? And because in my opinion this Super Bowl appearance seals Warner's Hall-of-Fame credentials, a road game today might've made the difference in keeping him OUT of the Hall.

Just my opinion.

Your avy makes Colbert look like he has a disease of the face...

Inkana7
01-18-2009, 07:18 PM
He's really only had 4 impressive years. But my God was he good in 3 of them. He was silently excellent last year.

bpc
01-18-2009, 07:30 PM
I think you put him in most offenses, you get what he was as a Giant.

You put him with some of the greatest WR's in the game and a good offensive line, you get two or three great seasons that he's had.

If TD doesn't make the HOF, Warner should not either. Unfortunately for us Warner has Peter King on his side, stumping for him. He doesn't give a shat about TD and what impact he actually had on our history.

BTW, I think the QB loses a little bit of credit when the OC goes on record to say "disregard your reads or progression and keep throwing it to Fitzgerald even if he's covered."

broncosteven
01-18-2009, 07:35 PM
I think you put him in most offenses, you get what he was as a Giant.

You put him with some of the greatest WR's in the game and a good offensive line, you get two or three great seasons that he's had.

If TD doesn't make the HOF, Warner should not either. Unfortunately for us Warner has Peter King on his side, stumping for him. He doesn't give a shat about TD and what impact he actually had on our history.

BTW, I think the QB loses a little bit of credit when the OC goes on record to say "disregard your reads or progression and keep throwing it to Fitzgerald even if he's covered."

That is a good point.

I still think with his #'s and another SB win he should be in for sure.

TD should be in after a few years, not 1st ballot but he deserves a place. If Bob Griese can make it TD should be in there.

AbileneBroncoFan
01-18-2009, 07:55 PM
Kurt Warner is now in the Hall of Fame, period. Let's be honest people:

2 NFL MVPs
3 Super Bowl appearances, 1-1 so far
1 Super Bowl MVP (with a SB record 414 yards passing)
One of only 4 QBs (Brady, Manning, Marino are the othes) with over 40 TDs in a single season
I don't believe that there is a single quarterback that has a resume like that that is not in the hall of fame.

But if you want a bigger indicator, he took the Arizona Cardinals to the Super Bowl. 61 years since their last appearance in a title game. If it takes another 61 years, most people who post on this board will not be alive to see that day. And sure, he has had great players around him in St. Louis and Arizona (Fitzgerald is hands down the best WR in the NFL and if Boldin wasn't also an all-pro talent, Fitz would put up ungodly numbers annually). BUT, the Rams still had Bruce, Holt, Faulk (and then Steven Jackson) and the gang with Bulger at QB. What exactly, did that group accomplish? One playoff win, I believe it was; a far cry from what was arguably the greatest offense of all time. The greatest show on turf deteorated to one of the laughingstocks of the NFL in a few short years. And I guarantee you if you asked if they regret trading Warner today they would say yes.

ColoradoDarin
01-18-2009, 08:25 PM
Does anyone think Leinart leads this Cardinals team to the Superbowl?

Taco John
01-18-2009, 08:57 PM
I think winning this game would give Kurt Warner a rock solid case for the HOF. I don't think it's even sunk in with the majority what Kurt has accomplished. (At least it's still sinking i with me). I'm trying to think of the last time a quarterback took two seperate teams to the Superbowl. Not only that, he's taken two teams from out of the wilderness into Superbowl contention.

Reminds me of the discussions we had around here when we were dumping Griese. We had Jake Delhomme, Jake Plummer, Kordell Stewart, and Kurt Warner available at that time. Most everybody here was adamant against Warner.

24champ
01-18-2009, 09:03 PM
Because most everybody knew that Warner didn't fit our system. Warner is a statue and unfit to run the WCO.

mhgaffney
01-18-2009, 10:32 PM
That win today was one of the best performances I've ever seen by a quarterback.

Four t-down passes. No interceptions. Nearly a perfect game.

Bronco Bob
01-18-2009, 10:38 PM
Because most everybody knew that Warner didn't fit our system. Warner is a statue and unfit to run the WCO.

Plus at the time he had a screwed up hand and was playing poorly.
I don't see his hand getting better by putting on a Broncos jersey.
Now he is healthy again and playing like the Warner of old.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2009, 10:40 PM
Kurt Warner is now in the Hall of Fame, period. Let's be honest people:

2 NFL MVPs
3 Super Bowl appearances, 1-1 so far
1 Super Bowl MVP (with a SB record 414 yards passing)
One of only 4 QBs (Brady, Manning, Marino are the othes) with over 40 TDs in a single season
I don't believe that there is a single quarterback that has a resume like that that is not in the hall of fame.

But if you want a bigger indicator, he took the Arizona Cardinals to the Super Bowl. 61 years since their last appearance in a title game. If it takes another 61 years, most people who post on this board will not be alive to see that day. And sure, he has had great players around him in St. Louis and Arizona (Fitzgerald is hands down the best WR in the NFL and if Boldin wasn't also an all-pro talent, Fitz would put up ungodly numbers annually). BUT, the Rams still had Bruce, Holt, Faulk (and then Steven Jackson) and the gang with Bulger at QB. What exactly, did that group accomplish? One playoff win, I believe it was; a far cry from what was arguably the greatest offense of all time. The greatest show on turf deteorated to one of the laughingstocks of the NFL in a few short years. And I guarantee you if you asked if they regret trading Warner today they would say yes.


Best argument yet on the thread.

Another thing that Warner has going for him is that he has the great story. He came from arena football and ended up having a long career as a high-class leader who was willing to humble himself to stay in the game for opportunities like he has had with Arizona.

After this season in Arizona, he'll be remembered as the glory of the franchise...the nice guy who came in to mentor the kid and ended up taking a lost franchise to the place it had never been before.

Hollywood Leinart must be loathing all of this.

ZONA
01-18-2009, 10:48 PM
Win or lose I don't think Kurt will retire. He's a guy who had it good all those years ago in St Louis and he's sorta had this chip on his shoulder being bounced around different places, still wanting to prove he was a starting caliber QB. He finally got that chance this year in AZ and it's worked out very well. He's gonna stay a few more years I believe. Leinart or not, I think Wisenhunt wants the best QB playing and that is Kurt.

If he wins the Superbowl this year, I don't think anybody will be asking if Kurt is HOF, they will be asking themselves, If I only just put down $50 bucks in Vegas, I could retire. I mean, what were the odds at the beginning of the season that the Cards could win the Superbowl? Amazing.

I love me some Marshall big time but yeah, Fitz is hands down the best WR in the NFL. He has absolutely no weakness. He has great speed, hops, YAC, hands, over the middle, feet, routes, blocking, etc.....

goldengopher1976
01-18-2009, 10:50 PM
Kurt Warner is a great great passer, Hall of Fame now that he's taken this sorry franchise to a Super Bowl.

But he is a Marino-Fouts type player: Big arm, but a warm-weather or dome QB only. Like Marino and Fouts before him, his career wouldda wilted in the cold ... take today for example: The weather in Philly must be similar to Pittsburgh ... does anybody honestly believe the Cards would've won that game in Philadelphia? And because in my opinion this Super Bowl appearance seals Warner's Hall-of-Fame credentials, a road game today might've made the difference in keeping him OUT of the Hall.

Just my opinion.

I'll probably get blasted for saying it, but...I am old enough to have watched Marino play (not quite in his prime, but I think I've got a handle on what kind of player he was; not old enough to have seen Fouts.)

And I would take Warner as my QB over Marino. Perhaps I'm just guilty of appreciating the good QB in front of me rather than the one whose been retired several years, but the heart Warner has shown (getting up after getting blasted several plays in a row and then leading the game-winning drive) puts him in a class above most other QBs. When he's playing well, there aren't many QBs in the league you take over him.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2009, 10:57 PM
I'll probably get blasted for saying it, but...I am old enough to have watched Marino play (not quite in his prime, but I think I've got a handle on what kind of player he was; not old enough to have seen Fouts.)

And I would take Warner as my QB over Marino. Perhaps I'm just guilty of appreciating the good QB in front of me rather than the one whose been retired several years, but the heart Warner has shown (getting up after getting blasted several plays in a row and then leading the game-winning drive) puts him in a class above most other QBs. When he's playing well, there aren't many QBs in the league you take over him.

When Marino was in his prime, he was the best pure-passing pocket QB of his era. He would blister secondaries like Manning does today. I'm not sure that Marino would be bright enough to run a hurry-up like Manning, but he could pick apart a secondary as good as anyone in history.

Atwater His Ass
01-18-2009, 11:06 PM
Was Kurt Warner ever the best QB in the NFL? Is he right now? Was he with the Rams? That's the question you need to answer if you want to talk Hall of Fame.

Personally, I don't think Warner was ever the bar-none best QB in the NFL. It's a great story and he's done a fantastic job, but that's where it stops for me.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2009, 11:12 PM
Was Kurt Warner ever the best QB in the NFL? Is he right now? Was he with the Rams? That's the question you need to answer if you want to talk Hall of Fame.

Personally, I don't think Warner was ever the bar-none best QB in the NFL. It's a great story and he's done a fantastic job, but that's where it stops for me.

He was the catalyst for the "Greatest Show on Turf", which might be the pinnacle of Rams football...and put up gaudy numbers there.

I think that that is is prime accomplishment, but I would say that what hes doing in Arizona could be enough to put him over the top. Its kind of like a pitcher with a good past going to Cleveland and taking the Indians to the World Series.

Atwater His Ass
01-18-2009, 11:16 PM
He was the catalyst for the "Greatest Show on Turf", which might be the pinnacle of Rams football...and put up gaudy numbers there.

I think that that is is prime accomplishment, but I would say that what hes doing in Arizona could be enough to put him over the top. Its kind of like a pitcher with a good past going to Cleveland and taking the Indians to the World Series.

I assume since you didn't directly answer the question, your answer is no.

epicSocialism4tw
01-18-2009, 11:26 PM
I assume since you didn't directly answer the question, your answer is no.

He did win the MVP there...giving him as many as Elway. Obviously his situation is not comparable in a larger sense with The Duke, but on people sometimes see more of whats on paper than what is reality. If a player plays outside of that media members market, then alot is left to the imagination and the only data to cling to is that that is left on paper.

My personal opinion doesnt matter as to what the information I posted was intended to do, which was to provide information.

Atwater His Ass
01-19-2009, 12:14 AM
He did win the MVP there...giving him as many as Elway. Obviously his situation is not comparable in a larger sense with The Duke, but on people sometimes see more of whats on paper than what is reality. If a player plays outside of that media members market, then alot is left to the imagination and the only data to cling to is that that is left on paper.

My personal opinion doesnt matter as to what the information I posted was intended to do, which was to provide information.

We all already know all of this. You aren't educating anyone with your posts. Warner is a great story and a likable guy that's taken an unorthodox road through the NFL. Great.

My question is pretty simple. Was Kurt Warner at any time in his career the best QB in the NFL? Is he the best QB of his generation? It's not the Hall of the Very Good.

If you think that he was/is, then he would deserve a spot. But if a guy can't even be the best QB in the league at any time during his career, I don't feel he belongs with what is suppossed to be the games all-time greats.

(in before lolHoF).

AbileneBroncoFan
01-19-2009, 03:54 AM
Was Kurt Warner ever the best QB in the NFL? Is he right now? Was he with the Rams? That's the question you need to answer if you want to talk Hall of Fame.

Personally, I don't think Warner was ever the bar-none best QB in the NFL. It's a great story and he's done a fantastic job, but that's where it stops for me.

1999-2001 no one was better. In that span he had a 67.2 completion percentage, 98 touchdowns (53 ints) and a QB rating over 100 (I don't want to calculate the exact rating, but his low was 98.3, his high was 109.2). He posted a 40-10 record in that span (including playoffs), won 2 NFL MVPs (Warner missed 5 games in 2000 and Faulk won the MVP that year), appeared in 2 Super Bowls, winning 1 as well as the MVP. The Rams led the NFL in offense each of those years. Not only was that the best stretch during that time span, I would not be too afraid to say you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who put up a 3 year stretch like that in NFL history. Warner is also 3rd all time in career passer rating, behind Steve Young and Peyton Manning.

If you think there was someone better those 3 years, I would love to know who it was.

seanpgk
01-19-2009, 08:24 AM
Pretty sure MVP in '99 and '01 puts you up there as "bar-none best QB in the NFL". Especially in '99, when he was also named Super Bowl MVP. In the modern era at QB, only Favre, Young, Montana, Bradshaw, and Namath have won the NFL and Super Bowl MVP in the same season. Just being on that list puts you among the greats.

Hogan11
01-19-2009, 08:29 AM
Kurt Warner dyes his hair....he should be the spokesman for Just For Men.

Chris
01-19-2009, 08:49 AM
This is completely irrelevant to his HOF status but does anyone else just hate Kurt Warner? I can't stand the guy. His demeanor, his haircut, his wife's haircut...all of it.

Gort
01-19-2009, 08:52 AM
Your avy makes Colbert look like he has a disease of the face...

Getting one's news from or forming one's opinions based on what Colbert or Stewart says is like learning physics from a Road Runner cartoon.

Gort
01-19-2009, 09:00 AM
Kurt Warner is now in the Hall of Fame, period. Let's be honest people:

2 NFL MVPs
3 Super Bowl appearances, 1-1 so far
1 Super Bowl MVP (with a SB record 414 yards passing)
One of only 4 QBs (Brady, Manning, Marino are the othes) with over 40 TDs in a single season
I don't believe that there is a single quarterback that has a resume like that that is not in the hall of fame.


i'm not a big Mcnabb fan, but let's say he takes the Eagles to the SB next year and finally wins it. his resume would look like this:

6 NFC championship games
2 SB appearances
1 SB win

isn't that at least equal to Warner? wouldn't that mean Mcnabb is a lock for the HOF too?

others have made the HOF with worse resumes (e.g. Tarkenton, Kelly)

i don't know what my point is exactly, but i guess i'm just worried that the HOF has devolved into a "you get to a couple of superbowls and you're in" club. not what it's supposed to be. i do think Tarkenton deserves to be there even going 0-4 in superbowls. not so sure about Jim Kelly or Warner or even Mcnabb, but i am impressed that Warner has stuck around and been more than a 2-3 year wonder.

Gort
01-19-2009, 09:04 AM
I'll probably get blasted for saying it, but...I am old enough to have watched Marino play (not quite in his prime, but I think I've got a handle on what kind of player he was; not old enough to have seen Fouts.)

And I would take Warner as my QB over Marino. Perhaps I'm just guilty of appreciating the good QB in front of me rather than the one whose been retired several years, but the heart Warner has shown (getting up after getting blasted several plays in a row and then leading the game-winning drive) puts him in a class above most other QBs. When he's playing well, there aren't many QBs in the league you take over him.

i'm old enough to remember seeing Marino driving his shiny new corvette with Florida plates up Forbes Avenue past the Carnegie Mellon campus one sunny day after his rookie season. ;)

2KBack
01-19-2009, 09:21 AM
i'm not a big Mcnabb fan, but let's say he takes the Eagles to the SB next year and finally wins it. his resume would look like this:

6 NFC championship games
2 SB appearances
1 SB win

isn't that at least equal to Warner? wouldn't that mean Mcnabb is a lock for the HOF too?

others have made the HOF with worse resumes (e.g. Tarkenton, Kelly)

i don't know what my point is exactly, but i guess i'm just worried that the HOF has devolved into a "you get to a couple of superbowls and you're in" club. not what it's supposed to be. i do think Tarkenton deserves to be there even going 0-4 in superbowls. not so sure about Jim Kelly or Warner or even Mcnabb, but i am impressed that Warner has stuck around and been more than a 2-3 year wonder.


Not equal to Warner at all. First off you assume Mcnabb might win a SB, what ifs aren't really part of the equation. Plus it doersn't address Warners 2 league MVPs, meaning the all important best at his position at some point is covered. Warner is 2-0 against Mcnabb in the playoffs. Warner has a career 65% completion % to Mcnabbs 59%. Warner has a 95 career AND 97 playoff QB rating. Mcnabb has a good 86 reg season, and 89 postseason. Warner is 10-2 in the playoffs, Mcnabb is 9-5. In the playoffs Warner has the same number of TDs as Donovan and 4 fewer picks despite playing fewer games.

Oh yeah, and Warner is doing this right now with the freakin Arizona Cardinals.

I like Donovan Mcnabb, but he doesn't have anywhere near the case that Warner has right now.

that said i don't even think Warner is a lock yet. If he wins a SB with the Gdamn Cardinals he will be though. That's the ressurection of 2 dead franchises by one Grocery bagger turned all-pro.

listopencil
01-19-2009, 12:50 PM
Reminds me of the discussions we had around here when we were dumping Griese. We had Jake Delhomme, Jake Plummer, Kordell Stewart, and Kurt Warner available at that time. Most everybody here was adamant against Warner.

I was just thinking about that yesterday TJ. I wanted Plummer or Warner. I remember Mock getting all bitchy at me telling me that Warner, "...wasn't going to grow a new thumb." and I told Mock that he wasn't going to grow a new brain either, as refreshing as that might be. Good times. I think it devolved from one of those "If not Greise, who?" threads.

listopencil
01-19-2009, 12:53 PM
My join date is still wrong, btw. And I'm still waiting on those cheerleader pics.

Hogan11
01-19-2009, 01:06 PM
This is completely irrelevant to his HOF status but does anyone else just hate Kurt Warner? I can't stand the guy. His demeanor, his haircut, his wife's haircut...all of it.

Get ready for his "Jesus Repeatus" routine if the Cards win.

Can I quote Clark Griswald?

"Hallelujah! Holy Shait....Where's the Tylenol?"

rugbythug
01-19-2009, 01:08 PM
Warner is better than Aikmen, Aikmen first ballot HOF.

Kaylore
01-19-2009, 01:13 PM
Warner wins and he's a lock for the HOF, though not first ballot probably.

Miss I.
01-19-2009, 01:21 PM
Getting one's news from or forming one's opinions based on what Colbert or Stewart says is like learning physics from a Road Runner cartoon.

Perhaps. but being amused by their clearly satirical take on the news means you have a brain and a reliably decent sense of humor.

Of course I think getting news from Fox News is like learning surgery from a butcher.;D

Broncoman13
01-19-2009, 01:26 PM
Warner wins and he's a lock for the HOF, though not first ballot probably.

Win or not he should be a lock. Look at his career numbers, the number of 300 yard passing games. The pct of those 300 yard passing games is out of this world. Nobody is close to him. He has guys like Marino, Manning, and Montana by 20+ %points! Winning another SB would just be icing on the cake no brainer material IMO.

BroncoBuff
01-19-2009, 01:34 PM
Kurt Warner dyes his hair....he should be the spokesman for Just For Men.


Mee-owww!

Man-Goblin
01-19-2009, 01:37 PM
Brenda is just one win away from reclaiming her spot as first lady of the NFL!

http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/C159112331/E84563585/Media/kurt%20warner.jpg

Bronco Bob
01-19-2009, 01:52 PM
We all already know all of this. You aren't educating anyone with your posts. Warner is a great story and a likable guy that's taken an unorthodox road through the NFL. Great.

My question is pretty simple. Was Kurt Warner at any time in his career the best QB in the NFL? Is he the best QB of his generation? It's not the Hall of the Very Good.

If you think that he was/is, then he would deserve a spot. But if a guy can't even be the best QB in the league at any time during his career, I don't feel he belongs with what is suppossed to be the games all-time greats.

(in before lolHoF).

So is it the "Hall of Fame" or the "Hall of the Player with the Best Statistics on Paper"?
Kurt Warner is one of the most well known players of our time. He was
already a legend with the Rams. With the Cardinals, taking a perennial
loser of a team to the Super Bowl only cements that legend.

Miss I.
01-19-2009, 01:57 PM
1. Kurt Warner should be in the HOF. His stats are impressive, he has won one Superbowl and is doing something no other QB has ever done, taken AZ to a Superbowl, plus he has gone to SB with 2 different teams. He also has MVP awards which does say to me he was the best in the NFL of that year according to someone. He unlike the seriously obnoxious Brett Favre, has great stats but isn't a damn whiny biotch (not really a reason, but you know there it is). If you look at the NFL site for the QBs in the HOF now, there a few one might question that are in there, but there it is. Warner is the Cinderella story, give the man some props for excelling in adverse conditions.
2. But here's my follow up, I went to the NFL site and they listed these Coach of the year nominations, why is it that Wisenhunt is not on there, this is a guy that took a franchise with no hopes and turned them into a SB contender? Who determines who makes that list and what is the criteria? I mean Mike Tomlin is on there, but why? He's a good coach no doubt, but he had a great system to walk right into and inherit. Anyway here's motorola's list of coach of the year
Who is the Motorola Coach of the Year?


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Bronco Bob
01-19-2009, 02:03 PM
1. Kurt Warner should be in the HOF. His stats are impressive, he has won one Superbowl and is doing something no other QB has ever done, taken AZ to a Superbowl, plus he has gone to SB with 2 different teams. He also has MVP awards which does say to me he was the best in the NFL of that year according to someone. He unlike the seriously obnoxious Brett Favre, has great stats but isn't a damn whiny biotch (not really a reason, but you know there it is). If you look at the NFL site for the QBs in the HOF now, there a few one might question that are in there, but there it is. Warner is the Cinderella story, give the man some props for excelling in adverse conditions.
2. But here's my follow up, I went to the NFL site and they listed these Coach of the year nominations, why is it that Wisenhunt is not on there, this is a guy that took a franchise with no hopes and turned them into a SB contender? Who determines who makes that list and what is the criteria? I mean Mike Tomlin is on there, but why? He's a good coach no doubt, but he had a great system to walk right into and inherit. Anyway here's motorola's list of coach of the year
Who is the Motorola Coach of the Year?


<INPUT id=0_0_1231209242488-0_0_1231209242488_01 type=radio value=0_0_1231209242488_01 name=0_0_1231209242488-option> Tom Coughlin

New York Giants | Video (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/)
<INPUT id=0_0_1231209242488-0_0_1231209242488_02 type=radio value=0_0_1231209242488_02 name=0_0_1231209242488-option> Jeff Fisher

Tennessee Titans | Video (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/)
<INPUT id=0_0_1231209242488-0_0_1231209242488_03 type=radio value=0_0_1231209242488_03 name=0_0_1231209242488-option> John Harbaugh

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Ken Wisenhunt

Kaylore
01-19-2009, 02:32 PM
Win or not he should be a lock. Look at his career numbers
I think there will be a lot of people who look at his receivers and raise an eyebrow. Yes, I know that other QB's haven't produced as much with his same receivers, but other QB's have done more with less. They will also ding him for his crappy years. I think he'll get in, but I don't think its as much of a slam dunk as you do.

Chris
01-19-2009, 02:35 PM
That poll is fubar... all the names are wrong.

AbileneBroncoFan
01-19-2009, 02:48 PM
Which is the better resume:

2 NFL MVPs
3 Super Bowl appearances (1-1 as of now)
1 Super Bowl MVP
#3 all time passer rating

1 NFL MVP
2 Super Bowl appearances (2-0)
1 Super Bowl MVP
1 2000 yard season

The top is Warner. The bottom, in case you couldn't figure it out, was TD. Anyone who says TD should get in and not Warner is a homer. Warner has a better case than Davis.

maher_tyler
01-19-2009, 03:23 PM
Before this year I wouldn't say he was a hall of famer but now I'd say he is borderline and I'd maybe even put him in.

He greatly help improve the Rams and Cards. Been to now 3 superbowls with winning one. 2x mvp. He has played about 10 yrs now.

2x League MVP also

easymobee
01-19-2009, 05:55 PM
Was Kurt Warner ever the best QB in the NFL? Is he right now? Was he with the Rams? That's the question you need to answer if you want to talk Hall of Fame.

Personally, I don't think Warner was ever the bar-none best QB in the NFL. It's a great story and he's done a fantastic job, but that's where it stops for me.


Not a huge Warner fan , but your argument doesn't hold water. Were Warren Moon, Jim Kelly, or Troy Aikman ever the best QB in the league ? Those are just recent examples, plus Warner probably was the best one over a 1or 2 yr stretch.

TDmvp
01-19-2009, 06:00 PM
Fragile "fra geeeely" seems to come to mind when I think of Kurt.
But not a bad guy or QB.

http://www.redriderleglamps.com/images/lampandboxlarge.jpg

gyldenlove
01-19-2009, 06:05 PM
I think he is a hall of famer, I know some people would argue that his career numbers are not that stellar, but that is because he doesn't have the years.

How many other QBs who have been to 3 super bowls are not in the hall?

How many other players who have 2 league MVPs and 1 super bowl MVP are not in the league?

How many here thinks that Tom Brady is a HOF QB is he retires today? Brady has fewer yards, lower career passer rating than Warner and has been to only 1 more super bowl despite playing for a dynasty.

Warner is a hall of famer even if the Cardinals lose bad, he is the only QB other than Jake Plummer to win a playoff game with the Cardinals the last 50 years....

Gort
01-19-2009, 06:06 PM
being amused by their clearly satirical take on the news means you have a brain and a reliably decent sense of humor.

http://one-selection.de/ebay/kool_aid_box/KoolAid_Grape.jpg

well then... enjoy yourself while the illusion holds. i won't be drinking the grape Kool-Aid when the time comes though.

extralife
01-19-2009, 06:22 PM
Was Kurt Warner ever the best QB in the NFL? Is he right now? Was he with the Rams? That's the question you need to answer if you want to talk Hall of Fame.

Since when is this the criteria? Every QB with a shot at the hall gets in (except Phil Simms but no one likes Phil Simms). Whether Kurt Warner is worthy of the honor by your standards or mine might be worth arguing, but by the actual standards set in place, this win got him there. He probably didn't even need to beat Philly, to be honest.

SoCalBronco
01-19-2009, 06:26 PM
Fragile "fra geeeely"
http://www.redriderleglamps.com/images/lampandboxlarge.jpg

That must be Italian

:)

lex
01-19-2009, 06:33 PM
Which is the better resume:

2 NFL MVPs
3 Super Bowl appearances (1-1 as of now)
1 Super Bowl MVP
#3 all time passer rating

1 NFL MVP
2 Super Bowl appearances (2-0)
1 Super Bowl MVP
1 2000 yard season

The top is Warner. The bottom, in case you couldn't figure it out, was TD. Anyone who says TD should get in and not Warner is a homer. Warner has a better case than Davis.

Not really. People think of Bulger and Manning supplanting Warner at his previous two teams. Yeah, he has had some good seasons and put up some numbers but so has Davis and the only think that took him down was the knee injury. I actually think Warner has a strong case, but its laughable to blast people for thinking he has a stronger case than TD.

Miss I.
01-19-2009, 06:51 PM
http://one-selection.de/ebay/kool_aid_box/KoolAid_Grape.jpg

well then... enjoy yourself while the illusion holds. i won't be drinking the grape Kool-Aid when the time comes though.

Not to go too much off on a tangent, but for the sake of Football and all that is good, both shows are aired on Comedy Central, if the audience is too stupid to get that this is not real news And is a COMEDY, then the failure is not only that some people have no f-ing sense of humor but the education system has completely failed them and we live in a nation of idiots who probably should do us a favor and drink the other Kool aid. Those lacking a sense of humor probably have the lamp from The Christmas Story (posted in another post) shoved up their butt and need it removed.

Now I return the rest of you who don't have the lamp lighting up your butt to your regularly scheduled discussion of whether Kurt Warner Merits entry into the HOF and whether he will get it regardless of merit. :peace:

BroncoBuff
01-19-2009, 07:03 PM
Your avy makes Colbert look like he has a disease of the face...What?! That's the reflection of the Stars and Stripes! Although, I'm not surprised you didn't recognize it .... comrade.








(commie heathen...)

BroncoBuff
01-19-2009, 07:06 PM
That poll is fubar... all the names are wrong.You mean Ken Whisenhut, and yes - it's easy to say Ken Whisenhut now, after the last two weeks. But when they voted, the answer was probably Smith, Sparano or Harbaugh.