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(Jae)
01-17-2009, 02:25 AM
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3839736



Defensive End Julius Peppers let the Carolina Panthers know he's looking for a new change of scenery.



"The front office has been informed of my desire to explore opportunities with other NFL teams following the expiration of my contract next month" Papers said in a statement released by his agent. "At this point in my NFL career, I am seeking new challenges that will allow me to grow, develop, and reach my full potential on the football field"

Natedog24
01-17-2009, 02:32 AM
Isn't he a 4-3 DE and isn't Denver moving to a 3-4 next year. Doesn't seem like a real good investment for us, not anymore anyways...

cutthemdown
01-17-2009, 02:45 AM
Isn't he a 4-3 DE and isn't Denver moving to a 3-4 next year. Doesn't seem like a real good investment for us, not anymore anyways...

Actually no one on the Broncos staff has said We won't play a 4-3. It's the Orangemane that has said we are going 3-4.

By the Way Peppers goes about 285 lbs. Plays the run and has a multitude of pass rushing skills. IMO he could play end in either a 3-4 or a 4-3.

Peppers with an OLB like Suggs behind him would be pretty scary.

What in Peppers game makes you think he couldnt play end in a 3-4? Or did you just think that because he's coming from a 4-3?

If you really believe Peppers isnt a 3-4 end then what exactly do you want in a 3-4 end?

extralife
01-17-2009, 02:47 AM
He isn't worth the money it'd take to get him to play 3-4 end, nor would it be very likely he'd be interested in such a non glamor position.

(Jae)
01-17-2009, 02:48 AM
Isn't he a 4-3 DE and isn't Denver moving to a 3-4 next year. Doesn't seem like a real good investment for us, not anymore anyways...

Move like this would be better then cleaning house for the 3-4.
Pair Peppers up with a rotating Doom and Moss (along with another run stopping DE),
Thomas, Robertson in the middle, hopefully another DT in the draft, draft a MLB, Rams FS Otogwe in FA........and it's a start.

DB_champ24
01-17-2009, 02:48 AM
I think he could play a 3-4 end but I don't think he'd want to because he'd be consuming blockers most of the time. Granted the Broncos haven't said if they will play a 4-3 or 3-4 so who knows what will happen.

cutthemdown
01-17-2009, 02:57 AM
I think he could play a 3-4 end but I don't think he'd want to because he'd be consuming blockers most of the time. Granted the Broncos haven't said if they will play a 4-3 or 3-4 so who knows what will happen.

The other poster above said same thing, and that's a good point. Peppers may not want to go to a team that plays a 3-4. Still though at 6-7 285 he could do it. Also some ends like Seymore seem to get glamor even though they play in a 3-4. True you don't see the ends usually get 14 sacks like Peppers has put up in a 4-3.

SportinOne
01-17-2009, 04:10 AM
How about Peppers as an OLB in a 3-4? Mostly a pass rusher but the ability to drop back and pick some passes off, i think it's in his arsenal.

I gotta say, though.. even if it COULD work...

A. It might not
B. He probably wouldn't want to play the position anyway

However, if there is one position that is worth over spending on this offseason it is defensive line. I'd rather have Haynesworth, because he's a factor no matter what defense you are running...

MechanicalBull
01-17-2009, 04:49 AM
Below is from rotoworld. I can see them franchising Peppers and then signing Gross to a long term deal.

Julius Peppers-DL- Panthers Jan. 16 - 11:34 pm et

Julius Peppers has formally asked the Panthers to allow him to seek employment elsewhere.

The Panthers have let it be known that they planned to franchise Peppers if they could not reach a long-term deal with him, but Peppers wants the opportunity to hit the open market. Carolina has nothing to gain by letting their franchise defensive end leave without compensation, so we can expect this one to get ugly.
Source: ESPN.com

boltaneer
01-17-2009, 04:59 AM
No way Peppers could be an effective 3-4 DE and it would be an outrageous waste of money to put him in that position. A 3-4 OLB maybe but at this point in his career, I don't see why he would want to switch.

His statement about wanting out of Carolina is just part of the game that players/agents play with their team. At the very least, I agree that he'll be franchise tagged.

cutthemdown
01-17-2009, 05:11 AM
How about Peppers as an OLB in a 3-4? Mostly a pass rusher but the ability to drop back and pick some passes off, i think it's in his arsenal.

I gotta say, though.. even if it COULD work...

A. It might not
B. He probably wouldn't want to play the position anyway

However, if there is one position that is worth over spending on this offseason it is defensive line. I'd rather have Haynesworth, because he's a factor no matter what defense you are running...

he's probably too big for that. At 285 and 6-7 he would have a lot of trouble dropping into zones, changing direction to make plays on the ball, running with TE etc etc.

Drek
01-17-2009, 06:26 AM
he's probably too big for that. At 285 and 6-7 he would have a lot of trouble dropping into zones, changing direction to make plays on the ball, running with TE etc etc.

Adalius Thomas is 6'2", 270 and he's played everything from DE to CB.

Its all about how athletic the individual is. As someone who's watched Peppers play form when he was in college, I'd say he could play a 3-4 OLB better than anyone on our staff right now. He's arguably the most athletic person in the league by a size/strength/speed aggregate and he's always had great ball skills for anyone in the front seven of a defense.

But even if the Panthers don't tag him, thats a stupid amount of money to spend on a guy you'll be playing at either 3-4 OLB or DE. The only way it'd make sense to me is if we run a 3-4/4-3 hybrid and get Peppers involved at DE in both formations as well as OLB in the 3-4. Kinda like the situation I'd want us to use if we brought in BJ Raji, being able to to use him at NT in both the 3-4 (where he'd fill his gap assignments and stuff the run) and the 4-3 (where he'd often have the same responsibilities but could also occasionally be allowed to make use of his great pass rushing skills).

It all comes down to how innovative Mike Nolan is going to be defensively. He was on Sirius NFL Radio yesterday and he said he isn't committed to the 3-4 or 4-3, that there really isn't much of a front seven foundation on the team at all, and that what we actually run will depend on where he can fit current guys in as well as FA and the draft. He did however also talk at length about how much he liked what the Cardinals were doing to cause turnovers with their hybrid defensive scheme and how important that was.

I wouldn't be surprised if he wants to employ a similar approach in overhauling our defense, utilizing a hybrid with various personnel to cause confusion for the offense and generate turnovers while we're making the transition to what he envisions as the long term defensive scheme.

HEAV
01-17-2009, 06:40 AM
He's just playing the game. He wants to be free of the Franchise (or any) tag and wants to gauge his value on the open market.

He will only be elsewhere if a team gives up the picks.

broncofan
01-17-2009, 06:57 AM
I'm over salivating over these high priced defensive talent, especially on the D line. Just draft smart, pick up some solid FA talent that won't break the bank and implement a defensive system that best maximizes their potential. Sounds easy, huh?

Bronco X
01-17-2009, 07:25 AM
I can't think of any other options out there that would have a more immediate impact on our defense then signing Peppers and sticking to the 4-3. I'm not opposed to the 3-4 switch if someone like Peppers could not be brought in, since the D is in shambles anyway, but Peppers is exactly what the team has been lacking in the 4-3.

Rabb
01-17-2009, 07:41 AM
I'm over salivating over these high priced defensive talent, especially on the D line. Just draft smart, pick up some solid FA talent that won't break the bank and implement a defensive system that best maximizes their potential. Sounds easy, huh?

true dat

Jens1893
01-17-2009, 08:44 AM
Translation: The Panthers have 2 big time FAs in me and Jordan Gross and not a whole lot of cap space, so I don´t think they will be able to give me the contract I want and I don´t want to be tagged, either, so just let me go and sign Jordan instead.

gyldenlove
01-17-2009, 08:58 AM
Peppers agent has said he would not be opposed to playing in the 3-4, but I question his ability to be a 3-4 OLB, I think he would be a better fit at DE as he is pretty used to facing double teams.

The big question is going to be Jordan Gross, he is clearly the man they want to keep in Carolina, but if they can't get him extended they will have to franchise tag him meaning that Peppers walks. If Gross is resigned before the deadline expect Peppers to get the Corey Williams special and get tagged and then traded.

If Peppers would be willing to play DE in the 3-4 I would like to at least enquire about his price, with the current downturn contracts will go down compared to previous years. As a player he is not too unlike Richard Seymour, if Peppers bulks up a bit he could play that role quite well I think, but it all hinges on him being willing and on the price.

As it stands now we would do better by going hard for LBs and Ss in free agency and leaving the DL for the draft.

Inkana7
01-17-2009, 09:54 AM
He could bust off 2k in our new system.

Bronco X
01-17-2009, 09:55 AM
The AP write up (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Au3xehkLdXsoXS25nvup4Nk5nYcB?slug=ap-panthers-peppers&prov=ap&type=lgns) with a rather interesting tidbit:

Carey, who first told ESPN.com of Peppers’ decision early Saturday, said Peppers wants to play in a 3-4 defense. The Panthers use a 4-3 alignment.

“He certainly feels that he can excel and thrive in a 3-4 defense,” Carey said. “He is also open to just another system in general that will allow him to maximize his athletic abilities.”

Inkana7
01-17-2009, 09:57 AM
The AP write up (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Au3xehkLdXsoXS25nvup4Nk5nYcB?slug=ap-panthers-peppers&prov=ap&type=lgns) with a rather interesting tidbit:

Awesome.

Dudeskey
01-17-2009, 10:18 AM
Actually no one on the Broncos staff has said We won't play a 4-3. It's the Orangemane that has said we are going 3-4.

By the Way Peppers goes about 285 lbs. Plays the run and has a multitude of pass rushing skills. IMO he could play end in either a 3-4 or a 4-3.

Peppers with an OLB like Suggs behind him would be pretty scary.

What in Peppers game makes you think he couldnt play end in a 3-4? Or did you just think that because he's coming from a 4-3?

If you really believe Peppers isnt a 3-4 end then what exactly do you want in a 3-4 end?

4-3/3-4 Hybrid?

Inkana7
01-17-2009, 10:34 AM
4-3/3-4 Hybrid?

This is probably what we'll be playing this season. It's what Nolan did in SF Patrick Willis' first year, and it was pretty good.

MechanicalBull
01-17-2009, 12:51 PM
4-3/3-4 Hybrid?

I'd imagine it'd be that until we get all the right players involved and so on then it will become just a 3-4.

Traveler
01-17-2009, 01:53 PM
The agent for Julius Peppers says his client wants to play as a stand-up 3-4 outside linebacker for his next team.

The Gaston Gazette expects Carolina to put the franchise tag on Peppers, then try to trade him. They won't worry about what position he wants to play. At 6'7/283, Peppers would easily be the biggest linebacker in the league.
Source: Gaston Gazette

http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/home_NFL.aspx

tsiguy96
01-17-2009, 01:59 PM
thats funny he wants to play OLB, i think he sees sack numbers like harrion and abraham and thinks he can do better. i believe they are both OLB?

Inkana7
01-17-2009, 02:00 PM
Abraham's a DE.

MechanicalBull
01-17-2009, 02:36 PM
I'd say he is 99% getting franchised and staying with the team and if he does leave it's a trade for a 1st and a 3rd rounder after being tagged.

SpringStein
01-17-2009, 02:43 PM
Interesting, from PFT:

Defensive end Julius Peppers doesn’t want to play for the Panthers. He apparently also doesn’t want to play for any team that uses a 4-3 defense.

“He certainly feels that he can excel and thrive in a 3-4 defense,” agent Carl Carey said Saturday.

This narrows significantly the field of potential suitors, and reduces Peppers’ overall leverage. So maybe a 3-4 defensive isn’t a dealbreaker.

“He is also open to just another system in general that will allow him to maximize his athletic abilities,” Carey added.

It’s unclear whether Peppers envisions himself a defensive end or a linebacker in a 3-4 set. As a linebacker, he’d assume a three-point stance and rush the quarterback on passing downs. As a defensive end, his role on many plays would be to tie up blockers so that linebackers could pursue the ball.

Also on Saturday, the Panthers responded to Peppers’ public effort to leave the team. “Obviously, Carl’s comments are disappointing,” G.M. Marty Hurney said. ”We have consistently reiterated to Carl in a number of ways how much we value Julius, and we plan to continue having ongoing communications.”

Peppers’ stance virtually guarantees that the Panthers will apply the franchise tag to Peppers, and then the Panthers likely will trade him to a new team, which would sign him to a monster deal.

Majik
01-17-2009, 03:38 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/37771994.html

Peppers wants to play in a 3-4

By Greg A. Bedard (gbedard@journalsentinel.com) of the Journal Sentinel
Jan. 17, 2009 4:42 p.m.

Green Bay -- Carolina Panthers defensive end Julius Peppers, who is expected to be one of the top unrestricted free agents this year, wants to play in a 3-4 defense, (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80e2d282&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true) according to his agent.
"He certainly feels that he can excel and thrive in a 3-4 defense," agent Carl Carey said. "He is also open to just another system in general that will allow him to maximize his athletic abilities."
Carey had previously said Peppers (http://jsonline.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=5888&team=29&page=enc) wants out of Carolina.
Think anybody's ears just perked up over at 1265 Lombardi?
Peppers, who had 14.5 sacks for the 4-3 Panthers last season, would fill the rush outside linebacker spot the Packers currently have no one to play should they make the switch from the 4-3 to the 3-4.
Peppers, a former basketball player at North Carolina, is one of the best athletes in the game and could easily make the transition to outside linebacker.
If Dom Capers were hired by the Packers as defensive coordinator -- and Peppers were to be signed -- Capers could plug him into the same position in his defense where Jason Taylor won the NFL Defensive Player of the Year Award in 2006 with the Miami Dolphins.
Peppers and Taylor are very similar, but Peppers is stronger -- and younger. Taylor was 32 when he won the award. Peppers will turn 29 on Sunday.
Here's what Taylor had to say about the 3-4 after he won the DPOTY award, which came in his second season after spending the rest his entire career in a 4-3 scheme:
(On whether he thought he could have won the award in the 4-3) "I don’t know. I never really thought about it. I know Coach (Nick) Saban and his system he implemented a couple of years ago has been a big help for me. I know Coach Saban, Dan Quinn, Travis Jones, Dom Capers and all the guys that have helped me for the last couple of years, I owe them a lot. They’ve helped me out, becoming a better player in this system, helped me understand the game more playing in a 3-4 as opposed to playing in a 4-3. I probably wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for the teachers that I’ve had the last couple of years based on the new system that we’re in – to have a guy like Dom Capers come in and teach you the things he knows about it, to have a guy like Keith Traylor come in who has played the defense before and you can see how he plays and the things he does to help everybody around him make plays."
Taylor also talked about Capers when asked if he should be retained. Saban had just bolted for Alabama at the time and was just starting the process of hiring a new coach. As it turned out, Capers was signed to a three-year extension by the Dolphins five days before Cam Cameron was hired. That's how much Taylor, Zach Thomas and all thought of Capers. He was hired before the head coach:
"There is a certain level of familiarity there. You have the continuity. He’s a guy who has been here for a year. Everybody knows him. He’s been a head coach before. He was kind of given a raw deal a couple times – or walked into a raw deal because he did accept the job – but he walked into a raw deal with the expansion franchises and took one to the brink of the Super Bowl. He is a guy that knows what he is doing."

epicSocialism4tw
01-17-2009, 05:45 PM
I'd say he is 99% getting franchised and staying with the team and if he does leave it's a trade for a 1st and a 3rd rounder after being tagged.

It doesnt matter.

Peppers is worth every bit of a first and a third.

It looks like the Panthers might be up a creek between Jordan Gross and Peppers. Peppers wants out, and that should make it easy for the Panthers to make a decision regarding that issue.

cutthemdown
01-17-2009, 11:20 PM
He would be a big friggin linebacker but I guess i haven't watched enough of him to say he couldn't do it. My first reaction was that hes a little too tall and big to be effective dropping back into zones or covering TE/RB.

I'm sure though a creative D coord would figure out how to use him in a 3-4. Probably you wouldn't feel the need to bring safety's into the box as much.

cutthemdown
01-17-2009, 11:21 PM
It doesnt matter.

Peppers is worth every bit of a first and a third.

It looks like the Panthers might be up a creek between Jordan Gross and Peppers. Peppers wants out, and that should make it easy for the Panthers to make a decision regarding that issue.

To be honest he's worth even more then that IMO. How many 1 round picks have we had that weren't worth much? I'd say a 28 yr old stud, 285 pound D end is worth a first and a 3rd.