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SpiritGuy
01-16-2009, 09:17 PM
Defensive end Julius Peppers let the Carolina Panthers know he is looking for a change of scenery.

"The front office has been informed of my desire to explore opportunities with other NFL teams following the expiration of my contract next month," Peppers said in a statement released by his agent Carl Carey. "At this point in my NFL career, I am seeking new challenges that will allow me to grow, develop and reach my personal potential on the football field.

"I strongly feel that making a move at this time is in my best interest. I appreciate the entire Panthers organization and am thankful for the seven seasons I've spent with the team."

The Panthers have the option to franchise Peppers, which would mean paying him nearly $17 million next season.

"Julius is firm in his decision that he needs a change," Carey said. "He feels that he can thrive in another system. While he has been selected to four Pro Bowls and designated as an All-Pro during his career, he feels that he has yet to develop to his full potential. This is the case of a great player who seeks to become an elite one."

Found Here (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3839736)

TheDave
01-16-2009, 09:41 PM
This probably should be in the main forum...

Wonder if he can play in a 3-4 ;D

Broncos_OTM
01-16-2009, 09:50 PM
This probably should be in the main forum...

Wonder if he can play in a 3-4 ;D

I see that you are laughing about it but. you know someone was bound to ask that. he likes the 3-4 about as much as ray lewis did.

Putting Peppers in a 3-4 would be like putting TD at fullback

epicSocialism4tw
01-16-2009, 10:19 PM
This would be an absolute no-brainer.

You can the 3-4 idea and go with what works for your players.

Peppers is exactly what the Broncos have been unwilling to go for in the past, and is the type of player that should be the first target on the radar for the Broncos.

The offensive cornerstones are set.

Its time to build a defense, and there's no better way to do that than with one of the best multi-phase linemen in the league. He can dominate a game on his own.

Bring in he and Haynesworth and call it a year.

TheDave
01-16-2009, 10:26 PM
This would be an absolute no-brainer.

You can the 3-4 idea and go with what works for your players.

Peppers is exactly what the Broncos have been unwilling to go for in the past, and is the type of player that should be the first target on the radar for the Broncos.

The offensive cornerstones are set.

Its time to build a defense, and there's no better way to do that than with one of the best multi-phase linemen in the league. He can dominate a game on his own.

Bring in he and Haynesworth and call it a year.

Something tells me that might be slightly out of our reach ($$$$$$)... But that and a decent draft would fix the defense :thumbs:

Broncos_OTM
01-16-2009, 10:28 PM
I really wish Denver would stay a 4-3 team. i hate the 3-4 they want to run. unless its the way San Diego Dallas Pitts run it i dont want it. But i realize i have absoloutly NO SAY

Broncos_OTM
01-16-2009, 10:30 PM
Something tells me that might be slightly out of our reach ($$$$$$)... But that and a decent draft would fix the defense :thumbs:

If we stayed 4-3 and landed both of these guys i would trade our first rounder this year for a 2nd and a first next year.

TheDave
01-16-2009, 10:32 PM
If we stayed 4-3 and landed both of these guys i would trade our first rounder this year for a 2nd and a first next year.

But we still need a MLB...Add Maualuga and the defense is fixed.

But like i said that is WAY out of our reach.

Broncos_OTM
01-16-2009, 10:37 PM
But we still need a MLB...Add Maualuga and the defense is fixed.

But like i said that is WAY out of our reach.

I like Rey Rey but his play diagnosis bugs the hell out of me. I feel that Rey Rey is and will be a good NFL player but looking at next year with out a Doubt there is some players there that make rey rey look bad. But to each its own.

TheDave
01-17-2009, 07:23 AM
I like Rey Rey but his play diagnosis bugs the hell out of me. I feel that Rey Rey is and will be a good NFL player but looking at next year with out a Doubt there is some players there that make rey rey look bad. But to each its own.

I completely agree with what you are saying... Unfortunately, the Broncos are so devoid of a physical presence on their defense i get easily infatuated whith any player that lays the wood on a regular basis.

elsid13
01-17-2009, 07:37 AM
I completely agree with what you are saying... Unfortunately, the Broncos are so devoid of a physical presence on their defense i get easily infatuated whith any player that lays the wood on a regular basis.

The reason that I like the idea of the 3-4, is that we might actually get Larson on the field were he can bring the pain. I hate moving him to FB last season, and wished they adopted the defense to allow him to play in the middle.

TheDave
01-17-2009, 07:43 AM
The reason that I like the idea of the 3-4, is that we might actually get Larson on the field were he can bring the pain. I hate moving him to FB last season, and wished they adopted the defense to allow him to play in the middle.

I have this bad feeling we are going to run a hybrid 3-4-3... considering how stupid most of our D players have proven to be that should be interesting.

elsid13
01-17-2009, 07:46 AM
I have this bad feeling we are going to run a hybrid 3-4-3... considering how stupid most of our D players have proven to be that should be interesting.

I don't think the players are any dumber then any other team in the league. We just need to pick a system and run with it. On defense it about getting to your spot and then reacting to the action.

TheDave
01-17-2009, 07:55 AM
I don't think the players are any dumber then any other team in the league. We just need to pick a system and run with it. On defense it about getting to your spot and then reacting to the action.

You are probably right... This defense has had to learn about 3 different schemes since 2006. Unfortunately i'm just not real excited about the proposition of a 4th scheme.

In any event Peppers would be a significant upgrade for us. Were going to have to wait and see how tight the purse strings are this offseason.

SouthStndJunkie
01-17-2009, 02:25 PM
I see that you are laughing about it but. you know someone was bound to ask that. he likes the 3-4 about as much as ray lewis did.

Putting Peppers in a 3-4 would be like putting TD at fullback

PEPPERS WANTS TO PLAY IN A 3-4 DEFENSE

Posted by Mike Florio on January 17, 2009, 5:02 p.m. EST

Defensive end Julius Peppers doesn’t want to play for the Panthers. He apparently also doesn’t want to play for any team that uses a 4-3 defense.

“He certainly feels that he can excel and thrive in a 3-4 defense,” agent Carl Carey said Saturday.

This narrows significantly the field of potential suitors, and reduces Peppers’ overall leverage. So maybe a 3-4 defensive isn’t a dealbreaker.

“He is also open to just another system in general that will allow him to maximize his athletic abilities,” Carey added.

It’s unclear whether Peppers envisions himself a defensive end or a linebacker in a 3-4 set. As a linebacker, he’d assume a three-point stance and rush the quarterback on passing downs. As a defensive end, his role on many plays would be to tie up blockers so that linebackers could pursue the ball.

Also on Saturday, the Panthers responded to Peppers’ public effort to leave the team. “Obviously, Carl’s comments are disappointing,” G.M. Marty Hurney said. ”We have consistently reiterated to Carl in a number of ways how much we value Julius, and we plan to continue having ongoing communications.”

Peppers’ stance virtually guarantees that the Panthers will apply the franchise tag to Peppers, and then the Panthers likely will trade him to a new team, which would sign him to a monster deal.

epicSocialism4tw
01-17-2009, 03:34 PM
PEPPERS WANTS TO PLAY IN A 3-4 DEFENSE

Posted by Mike Florio on January 17, 2009, 5:02 p.m. EST

Defensive end Julius Peppers doesn’t want to play for the Panthers. He apparently also doesn’t want to play for any team that uses a 4-3 defense.

“He certainly feels that he can excel and thrive in a 3-4 defense,” agent Carl Carey said Saturday.

This narrows significantly the field of potential suitors, and reduces Peppers’ overall leverage. So maybe a 3-4 defensive isn’t a dealbreaker.

“He is also open to just another system in general that will allow him to maximize his athletic abilities,” Carey added.

It’s unclear whether Peppers envisions himself a defensive end or a linebacker in a 3-4 set. As a linebacker, he’d assume a three-point stance and rush the quarterback on passing downs. As a defensive end, his role on many plays would be to tie up blockers so that linebackers could pursue the ball.

Also on Saturday, the Panthers responded to Peppers’ public effort to leave the team. “Obviously, Carl’s comments are disappointing,” G.M. Marty Hurney said. ”We have consistently reiterated to Carl in a number of ways how much we value Julius, and we plan to continue having ongoing communications.”

Peppers’ stance virtually guarantees that the Panthers will apply the franchise tag to Peppers, and then the Panthers likely will trade him to a new team, which would sign him to a monster deal.

Beautiful.

Make it happen.

bap454
01-17-2009, 04:55 PM
The question is .. what will it take to get him here. The price that he would command would be scary. I havent seen a value chart but ..... Would a swap of 1st round positions and our second round pick get it done? Thoughts? At least we have the Jared Allen trade last year to set a value standard.

snowspot66
01-17-2009, 05:01 PM
They'll want a first for him at least.

gyldenlove
01-17-2009, 05:37 PM
They'll want a first for him at least.

Hopefully they will have to franchise tag Jordan Gross and he will be free.

epicSocialism4tw
01-17-2009, 05:40 PM
It doesnt matter what they want.

You get first in line, and then you offer a little better than whats out there once everything is on the table. Peppers will want to play here. Champ is here, and there is an offense on the rise. He would get what he wants in being a major contributor on a contender...a chance to make a name for himself in history.

Lets hope that the new BBT wont drop the ball on this one like has been done so often in the past. Lets hope that the BBT are not afraid to acquire a real D-line difference maker. A bonafide stud. This is exactly what the Broncos need.

TheReverend
01-17-2009, 05:54 PM
Hopefully they will have to franchise tag Jordan Gross and he will be free.

They will.

They simply CAN'T tag Peppers.

Usually the tag gets you the ave of the top 5 at your position, but because he WAS the highest paid, tag rules ensure he gets a huge pay raise which becomes that 17 million from the OP article. I think it's going to end up just being too much money for Carolina...

gyldenlove
01-17-2009, 08:42 PM
They will.

They simply CAN'T tag Peppers.

Usually the tag gets you the ave of the top 5 at your position, but because he WAS the highest paid, tag rules ensure he gets a huge pay raise which becomes that 17 million from the OP article. I think it's going to end up just being too much money for Carolina...

As long as he doesn't sign the offer the money won't go on the cap. So they can tag him and hope he doesn't sign.

TheReverend
01-18-2009, 07:15 AM
As long as he doesn't sign the offer the money won't go on the cap. So they can tag him and hope he doesn't sign.

It's somewhat of a lose-lose in that position.

If tagged, he's shrunk the list of potential suitors who will now be hard pressed to cough up monster compensation AND the money he's looking for (which is dramatically more than JA got last year). Maybe he works out a Haynesworth deal where if he signs they can't tag him again if he meets certain provisions, but then Carolina is on the hook for 17 million for a one year performance.

mattob14
01-18-2009, 09:20 AM
I'll pass on Peppers. He had a horrible 2007, then rebounded big in a contract year. I'm afraid he'll take that HUGE contract and regress back to that 2007 level. The talk about his desire to leave Carolina and to a 3-4 OLB (I don't see him asking to be a 3-4 DE) raises some flags for me as well.

Mark me down for Terrell Suggs. He'll get his money, but it should be considerably less than Peppers gets. He's the ideal fit for a 3-4 hybrid, able to transition from OLB in a 3-4 set to DE in a 4-3. He seems to me to be more of a gamer than Peppers and I don't worry as much about a drop-off in performance. He's also an asset in coverage, with 9 PDs and 2 INT's (both returned for touchdowns) this year. Considering that Suggs is about 2.5 yrs younger than Peppers and will be only 32 going into the final year of a 6 yr deal (Peppers would be 35), we should be able to secure him for his prime years. And Suggs is already familiar with Nolan, putting up a couple of huge seasons with Nolan as DC.

While I love the idea of having Peppers on the roster, there's a lot more risk in that signing than a Suggs signing, imo.