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lostknight
01-13-2009, 12:37 PM
So what does this team need to do to succeed in 2009?

Build on Mike's talent, but add some twists
The reality is that the offense is in great shape. Peyton Hillis has show brilliance in the RB position, easily the most since Clinton Portis, Terell Davis and Mike Anderson. The WR corp with Marshall, Royal and Stokley is in the running to be the best in the NFL, behind perhaps only the Arizona Cardinals.

Peyton Hillis might be the pivot between Shanahan's running system and a Billichick style offense. His ability to run out of the backfield ala the Miami game, and his ability to power through the line might make him a superstar in the league. That combined with a spread offense leaves Hillis, Marshall, Royal and Stokley in the field.

Or he may never recover from his injury. Remember how high everyone was on Mike Bell after his first season?

Another disconnect is that the New England system typically does not utilize mobile quarterbacks. Jay is better outside the pocket then in. While Jay has to realize that just because he can throw the ball, doesn't mean she should, pinning him into the pocket in a attempt to improve his decision making (focus downfield rather then on the pocket) might not work. Jay's stupid passes typically don't occur after the pocket has been open for a while and is about to close suddenly, but rather when the pocket collapses immediately or the pocket might collapse in 10 minutes.

Finally go outside both New England and Shanahan and take a look at what San Diego has done with their 15 yard short passes, practiced like clockwork have made Phillip Rivers look like a much better quarterback then he actually is.

Switch to Red Miller 3-4

The best games in 2009 where the games that shut down the running game. The running game is won or lost at the d-line. 3-4 lines are better at controlling the running games, and with a strong CB corp (which we have) and a decent LB corp (which we don't) will result in a middle of the road defense.

We don't need a lights out defense. We need a mediocre defense, somewhere in the high teens to win. The key to this defense is up the middle. We need a strong nose tackle (a very difficult - perhaps impossible task), a strong set of ILBs and a good nickle corner.


Ditch the arrogance:
One thing that has alarmed me is how arrogant this team has become.

Jay comparing his arm strength to Montana and Elway (sure kid, but that doesn't mean you are a great QB).
Players showboating in the end zone (a NFL wide problem). Can you imagine Rod Smith and Eddie Mac pulling the routines that our players do?
Defensive players celebrating on stops at goal line. With how pathetic they were this year, that is not something to celebrate, rather a badge of shame for how often they did not.
Our new coach walking in and acting as if he had actually won Super Bowls the last three years.


It starts at the top with McDaniels. Congrads, you just won the best open coaching job outside of the Colts this year. But you are replacing a legend in Mike Shanahan. Until you have won some superbowls, be efficient, modest and good. You can jaw off on how great your system is after that.

Inkana7
01-13-2009, 12:40 PM
Well, this is stupid.

You think McDaniels is arrogant?

theAPAOps5
01-13-2009, 12:41 PM
So you don't want Jay to answer the questions asked of him. Since that is arrogance to you? Ok great that sounds like fun.

Then again aren't you the one who also thought the team switched in season from a 4-3 to a 3-4 just for ****s and grins rather than out of deperation.

Pick Six
01-13-2009, 12:42 PM
Hillis showed some good things before he was injured. I'm not quite ready to put him in the category with all the other great running backs in Denver. Until I see him shred defenses for touchdowns, he'll remain a "change of pace" back in my eyes.

AbileneBroncoFan
01-13-2009, 12:51 PM
Hillis is not our best option as the primary ball carrier. I want him to get 5-10 carries a game. Michael Pittman was the best runner we had last year, but I think we will address RB in the 1st or 2nd round of the draft with either Knowshon or LeSean McCoy. Depends on how the first 11 picks fall and if we can find a trade partner to trade down.

I don't have a problem with Jay Cutler saying he has the strongest arm. He has by far the best arm in the NFL right now. But he knows as well as we do that it doesn't mean jack if we don't win. And if McDaniels didn't win 3 Super Bowls, why does he have 3 rings? He may be a little arrogant (I didn't see this, but apparently others did), but I'll take that in a coach. If you don't think your plan and your system will be successful, you will probably not be worth a crap as a coach.

BroncoMan4ever
01-13-2009, 12:59 PM
McDaniels has earned the right to be a cocky bastard, 32 and a HC in the NFL, 3 Super Bowl wins, was the OC of the best offense in NFL history. we need a superior attitude like his to rub off on our players. we need to get our players thinking they are better than they are, so they will play better than they did this year.

I am not sure about Hillis yet. until he goes more than 3 games and averages over 20 carries a game, i will want a RB.

Inkana7
01-13-2009, 01:01 PM
Hillis and someone else would make a killer RB combo. My vote is Derrick Ward.

footstepsfrom#27
01-13-2009, 01:15 PM
Jay comparing his arm strength to Montana and Elway (sure kid, but that doesn't mean you are a great QB).
He compared his arm to Montan's? Cripes I have a better arm than Montana.

Kaylore
01-13-2009, 01:17 PM
Defensive players celebrating on stops at goal line. With how pathetic they were this year, that is not something to celebrate, rather a badge of shame for how often they did not.
I repped you for this sentence alone.

jhat01
01-13-2009, 01:22 PM
"It starts at the top with McDaniels. Congrads, you just won the best open coaching job outside of the Colts this year. But you are replacing a legend in Mike Shanahan. Until you have won some superbowls, be efficient, modest and good. You can jaw off on how great your system is after that."

WTF are you blabbering about?? Jeezus Sally, your pussy hurt? You and I must have watched an entirely different presser

telluride
01-13-2009, 03:12 PM
If McDaniel brings only one thing from NE I hope it's that franchise's ability to make the best use of all the skills of their most versatile players. Because with Hillis, Woodward, Larsen, and Royal, we have some damned versatile athletes.

NUB
01-13-2009, 03:17 PM
Defensive players celebrating on stops at goal line. With how pathetic they were this year, that is not something to celebrate, rather a badge of shame for how often they did not.

Take a few step backs and tell them to stop celebrating on a first and ten garbage stop when we're down 30 points in the waning fourth.

theAPAOps5
01-13-2009, 03:24 PM
I do agree on the god awful I touched you while you were down because you slipped so I get credit for a sack celebration dance. Its disgusting and I think the NFL should start having 10 yard minor Unsportsmanlike Penalties for that crap.

Tankgunner95
01-13-2009, 03:24 PM
Hillis is not our best option as the primary ball carrier. I want him to get 5-10 carries a game. Michael Pittman was the best runner we had last year, but I think we will address RB in the 1st or 2nd round of the draft with either Knowshon or LeSean McCoy. Depends on how the first 11 picks fall and if we can find a trade partner to trade down.

I don't have a problem with Jay Cutler saying he has the strongest arm. He has by far the best arm in the NFL right now. But he knows as well as we do that it doesn't mean jack if we don't win. And if McDaniels didn't win 3 Super Bowls, why does he have 3 rings? He may be a little arrogant (I didn't see this, but apparently others did), but I'll take that in a coach. If you don't think your plan and your system will be successful, you will probably not be worth a crap as a coach.

No way in HELL we pick a RB in the 1st or 2nd ROUND, Write that down or take a picture, I dont give a f@ck cuz thats not going to happen!!!!!

Ninjatime
01-13-2009, 03:54 PM
As long as we throw touchdowns to Brandon Marshall over and over, a-la 2007 Pats offense, I'll be happy.

lostknight
01-13-2009, 04:15 PM
What;s your goal, TD's for Marshall, or a super bowl ring for Marshall? To score, pass. To Win Run.

fontaine
01-13-2009, 04:18 PM
We don't need a lights out defense. We need a mediocre defense, somewhere in the high teens to win. The key to this defense is up the middle. We need a strong nose tackle (a very difficult - perhaps impossible task), a strong set of ILBs and a good nickle corner.

Screw that.

If we wanted a mediocre defense that was good enough to win and then inevitabley got blown out of the water in the playoffs against good offenses then we should have stuck with Coyer and Mike Shanahan and ignored the defense.

Our good players like Boss/DJ/Dumervil/Champ etc being healthy alone makes this a mediocre defense.

We don't need a mediocre defense, we need a very good one because nothing else is going to be good enough to win the SuperBowl.

Anything less is just foreplay.

Paladin
01-13-2009, 04:31 PM
Well, the good ones have pretty good foreplay before they actually get there. Know what I mean?

This could get interesting........

SonOfLe-loLang
01-13-2009, 04:46 PM
I don't have a problem with Jay Cutler saying he has the strongest arm. He has by far the best arm in the NFL right now. But he knows as well as we do that it doesn't mean jack if we don't win. And if McDaniels didn't win 3 Super Bowls, why does he have 3 rings? He may be a little arrogant (I didn't see this, but apparently others did), but I'll take that in a coach. If you don't think your plan and your system will be successful, you will probably not be worth a crap as a coach.


JaMarcus Russell might take issue with your strongest arm claim. He might suck balls, but the dude's got a cannon.

lostknight
01-13-2009, 04:57 PM
Well, the good ones have pretty good foreplay before they actually get there. Know what I mean?


I suspect he doesn't. ;-)

dsmoot
01-13-2009, 04:57 PM
I don't have a problem with Jay Cutler saying he has the strongest arm. He has by far the best arm in the NFL right now. But he knows as well as we do that it doesn't mean jack if we don't win.

The strongest arm doesn't mean anything if you can't make all the type of throws you need to intelligently. Does anybody remember Bobby Douglas with the Bears in the late 60's early 70's. That guy could throw the ball through a wall. He just didn't know what wall he would hit. He could throw smoke. He should have been a MLB closer, nobody would have been digging in against him.

AbileneBroncoFan
01-13-2009, 10:51 PM
No way in HELL we pick a RB in the 1st or 2nd ROUND, Write that down or take a picture, I dont give a f@ck cuz thats not going to happen!!!!!

Never say never in a draft. I don't think we will take a WR, but I won't say there's no chance. You have to see how it plays out, and you should under NO CIRCUMSTANCE, go into a draft saying we are not taking this position period, unless it is quarterback and you have a franchise QB. Case in point, I guarantee you people said before the 06 draft "no way in hell we take a QB in the first." Right. Should we take a RB if there is just as good of a prospect at DL or LB or S available? No. But should we take a DL just for the sake of taking a DL? No.

AbileneBroncoFan
01-13-2009, 10:52 PM
JaMarcus Russell might take issue with your strongest arm claim. He might suck balls, but the dude's got a cannon.

I'm sorry. I was not aware that JaMarcus Russell counted as an NFL quarterback. High School JV maybe.

And I realize that arm strength isn't everything, which is why I said after that statement that NONE OF IT MATTERS IF WE DON'T WIN. Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing.

baja
01-14-2009, 07:59 AM
It's amazing to me how many people confuse confidence with arrogance

Confidence is saying, We got a lot of work to do but we have a good plan and we will put a winning football team on the field.

Arrogance is saying something like, We are going to win because I am a great coach ,I guarantee it.

McDaniels is super confident and you better be glad he is.

Broncos_OTM
01-14-2009, 08:12 AM
So what does this team need to do to succeed in 2009?

Build on Mike's talent, but add some twists
The reality is that the offense is in great shape. Peyton Hillis has show brilliance in the RB position, easily the most since Clinton Portis, Terell Davis and Mike Anderson. The WR corp with Marshall, Royal and Stokley is in the running to be the best in the NFL, behind perhaps only the Arizona Cardinals.

Peyton Hillis might be the pivot between Shanahan's running system and a Billichick style offense. His ability to run out of the backfield ala the Miami game, and his ability to power through the line might make him a superstar in the league. That combined with a spread offense leaves Hillis, Marshall, Royal and Stokley in the field.

Or he may never recover from his injury. Remember how high everyone was on Mike Bell after his first season?

Another disconnect is that the New England system typically does not utilize mobile quarterbacks. Jay is better outside the pocket then in. While Jay has to realize that just because he can throw the ball, doesn't mean she should, pinning him into the pocket in a attempt to improve his decision making (focus downfield rather then on the pocket) might not work. Jay's stupid passes typically don't occur after the pocket has been open for a while and is about to close suddenly, but rather when the pocket collapses immediately or the pocket might collapse in 10 minutes.

Finally go outside both New England and Shanahan and take a look at what San Diego has done with their 15 yard short passes, practiced like clockwork have made Phillip Rivers look like a much better quarterback then he actually is.

Switch to Red Miller 3-4

The best games in 2009 where the games that shut down the running game. The running game is won or lost at the d-line. 3-4 lines are better at controlling the running games, and with a strong CB corp (which we have) and a decent LB corp (which we don't) will result in a middle of the road defense.

We don't need a lights out defense. We need a mediocre defense, somewhere in the high teens to win. The key to this defense is up the middle. We need a strong nose tackle (a very difficult - perhaps impossible task), a strong set of ILBs and a good nickle corner.


Ditch the arrogance:
One thing that has alarmed me is how arrogant this team has become.

Jay comparing his arm strength to Montana and Elway (sure kid, but that doesn't mean you are a great QB).
Players showboating in the end zone (a NFL wide problem). Can you imagine Rod Smith and Eddie Mac pulling the routines that our players do?
Defensive players celebrating on stops at goal line. With how pathetic they were this year, that is not something to celebrate, rather a badge of shame for how often they did not.
Our new coach walking in and acting as if he had actually won Super Bowls the last three years.


It starts at the top with McDaniels. Congrads, you just won the best open coaching job outside of the Colts this year. But you are replacing a legend in Mike Shanahan. Until you have won some superbowls, be efficient, modest and good. You can jaw off on how great your system is after that.

Scouts rate people im sure jay has heard about how strong his arm is for a while. then some idiot from a newspaper asks him what he thinks. he responds and then us fans jump on Jay because he answered a question. i thought we wanted honesty folks. and less bs answers..

Broncos_OTM
01-14-2009, 08:13 AM
Screw that.

If we wanted a mediocre defense that was good enough to win and then inevitabley got blown out of the water in the playoffs against good offenses then we should have stuck with Coyer and Mike Shanahan and ignored the defense.

Our good players like Boss/DJ/Dumervil/Champ etc being healthy alone makes this a mediocre defense.

We don't need a mediocre defense, we need a very good one because nothing else is going to be good enough to win the SuperBowl.

Anything less is just foreplay.
I know our defense was decent but in the superbowl we had a DOMINANT offense with a above average D...

no-pseudo-fan
01-14-2009, 08:15 AM
Cutler throws it hard and with the tightest spiral in the game. That means, even when the weather is bad he can get the ball there.

Now, for next year we have to be a little more innoviative on Offense and Defense.

On Offense we need to create mismatches across the field and be able to score 7's in the red zone.

On Defense, we have to get a few people in, but most of all put players in positions to make plays. That may sound hard with the people we have, but we have a lot of talented guys on defense. It is all about matchups. I would love our chances with a TE or RB trying to block Elvis or Jarvis. We need to confuse other teams. We need to be better tacklers, and not so passive on the outsides. We need to do a better job changing and mixing up coverages. Overload blitzes, zone blitzes, and delayed blitzes. Forcing teams to speed up their reads. That is the way to be a good defense in today's NFL. It is all matchups and confusion

Traveler
01-14-2009, 08:31 AM
We don't need a lights out defense. We need a mediocre defense, somewhere in the high teens to win.

Never settle for mediocre. See the recent firing of Shanahan for proof of this.


Defensive players celebrating on stops at goal line. With how pathetic they were this year, that is not something to celebrate, rather a badge of shame for how often they did not.


Would someone please explain this one to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this actually one of the few times when you should celebrate. Right?

Pool
01-14-2009, 08:43 AM
Forcing Cutler to only throw 15 yard passes will make us worse off.

MplsBronco
01-14-2009, 08:49 AM
Hillis showed some good things before he was injured. I'm not quite ready to put him in the category with all the other great running backs in Denver. Until I see him shred defenses for touchdowns, he'll remain a "change of pace" back in my eyes.

He had like 6 or 7 TDs in his limited playing time. Not sure which team you were watching.