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HEAV
01-13-2009, 10:01 AM
Tuesday, January 13, 2009- Nick Canepa

So now that Pittsburgh has ladled its cold, bitter soup into the Chargers' bowl, we must ask: What's the next course?

The 2009 Chargers will be quarterback Philip Rivers' team, as was 2008's. But he doesn't have to be the sole proprietor. It also should be linebacker Shawne Merriman's team.

And, as we sit here now looking at the club's current roster – one soon to be tossed with General Manager A.J. Smith's Own dressing – it also should be tailback LaDainian Tomlinson's team.

Except, in this case, two out of three may be bad.

I'd wager a short part of what little I own that this great running back, this San Diego icon, has made his last juke and cut as a San Diego Charger.

Life without LT? Prepare.

He has three years remaining on perhaps the NFL's most lucrative running back contract. His salary cap number in 2009 will be $8.8 million, and when you consider he's now 30 and due to injury basically has been a nonfactor in the team's last two failed playoff runs, doing the arithmetic isn't necessary.

LT's fate will be a business decision and help, which the Chargers need in more than one area, will cost money. He makes a lot of it, and it's unlikely he will be asked to take a pay cut.

“The areas are glaring,” Smith says, knowing the Steelers smoked out the weaknesses.

Once cornerback Quentin Jammer went out with a leg problem in Pittsburgh, the defensive front seven was dominated and the Steelers went after Jammer's replacements with considerable success.

“When Jammer goes out of the football game,” Smith says, “that's too bad – too bad for the Chargers and good for Pittsburgh.”

Once that opened up, the Chargers couldn't stop the run and couldn't get to quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, so they couldn't stop anything. Not a good cocktail and it burned the hell out of their throat. More help is needed on the line and at deep safety.

The right side of the offensive line, especially, needs shoring up. Without LT, there was an overwhelming inability Sunday to run the ball – unless you think 15 yards on 11 carries is good.

Darren Sproles, soon to be an unrestricted free agent, is a terrific runner, perhaps the most exciting player in The League, but he's not an every-down back. That much was evident Sunday. The Chargers were able to get away with him a week earlier, but the Indianapolis defense isn't Pittsburgh's, for one thing, and the Colts, not knowing the extent of LT's groin injury, still had to prepare for him.

The Steelers, despite spreading manure all week that LT was going to play, knew he wasn't. Tomlinson didn't help matters any when someone in his camp put the severity of the injury out there. It didn't come from the organization, which was furious.

So that's it. Am I pleased? No. All I can do is look at the team's running back situation. LT. Likely gone. Sproles. Could be gone. Michael Bennett. A serviceable journeyman. Jacob Hester. His future is at fullback. Mike Tolbert. An undersized fullback.

The only every-down back there is LT. Hard to believe he can be let go without a very good replacement. There are no guarantees Tomlinson won't get hurt again. There are no guarantees he won't.

But the Chargers know Sproles isn't an every-down guy.

“A lot of people say I dance around it and avoid the question,” says Smith, not exactly Baryshnikov. “Darren Sproles was drafted by the San Diego Chargers to help us in three areas – kick returns, spot play as a running back and catching passes out of the backfield.

“We will be pursuing Darren for exactly the same reasons.”

In other words, Smith has hard thinking to do over the next month as he begins to piece together the 2009 roster. It's beyond doubtful he can replace a Hall of Fame running back with another Hall of Fame running back, so he has to know there's a man in waiting somewhere before the cord is severed.

“You're assuming,” Smith says, “that, if we have to move on, we're not capable of getting another running back.”

I'm not assuming anything. All I can do is look at the chart, envision it without LT, and know for a fact he has no everydown back and he has a coach in Norv Turner who puts the run first.

As for the defense, even those with severe brain flatulence know the loss of Merriman to knee surgery was a disaster. The defense played better under coordinator Ron Rivera, but the great player couldn't be replaced, which is why we must wonder if LT can be replaced.

“I don't discuss injuries during the season,” Smith says. “The season's over now. Unless we figure out how to stop the passing assaults on this defense and get off the field and establish a sound running game, we will not get to where we want to go.

“We were not good enough in the postseason to go (on). We didn't stack up. We got our butts kicked. We missed Shawne Merriman.”

Finally. He said it.

But who's going to run the ball? He can't say.

In the end, this is A.J. Smith's team. As suspected.


http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jan/13/chargers-s13canepa/?chargers

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I can't say anything will surprise me about the NFL...but LT not being a Charger...not sure.

We all know the Chargers got burned by Michael Turner, but is it worth putting all their eggs into Sproles and maybe a draft pick.

broncofan2438
01-13-2009, 10:07 AM
Seeeeeya LT!

socalorado
01-13-2009, 10:09 AM
Hes been done for quite a while now.

telluride
01-13-2009, 10:09 AM
The Bolts should have traded LT last season, and kept Turner. And they should trade him this offseason, and keep Sproles. But they won't get anything for him, now. Perhaps a 4th; he's just too used up.

Let this be a lesson for us. You trade legends when you can, and get some value. Champ? I'm talking about you.

ghwk
01-13-2009, 10:10 AM
I predict that the Chargers will not be a good team next year, and this season was the beginning of the wheels coming off the bus. Even with Merriman back they will be an 8-8 team next year and our new Jedi coach will be more than ready for them.

Rohirrim
01-13-2009, 10:13 AM
If I was in Sandyeggo's FO, I'd be looking for a way to unload LT.

broncofan2438
01-13-2009, 10:16 AM
I predict that the Chargers will not be a good team next year, and this season was the beginning of the wheels coming off the bus. Even with Merriman back they will be an 8-8 team next year and our new Jedi coach will be more than ready for them.

AMEN to that

no-pseudo-fan
01-13-2009, 10:21 AM
They would have to cut him. NO ONE will pay him that current salary and give up anything for a 30 yr old RB will lots of miles.

TheDave
01-13-2009, 10:22 AM
I predict that the Chargers will not be a good team next year, and this season was the beginning of the wheels coming off the bus. Even with Merriman back they will be an 8-8 team next year and our new Jedi coach will be more than ready for them.

With the schedule the AFC West has to play next season... 8-8 will probably win the division again.

Rabb
01-13-2009, 10:23 AM
I predict that the Chargers will not be a good team next year, and this season was the beginning of the wheels coming off the bus. Even with Merriman back they will be an 8-8 team next year and our new Jedi coach will be more than ready for them.

agreed but they were not a good team this year, just best of the worst

WolfpackGuy
01-13-2009, 10:24 AM
AJ Smith is so brilliant.
He let Turner walk and kept LT who had like 500,000 miles on his odometer.
Sproles is no 16 game workhorse, and he's as good as gone anyway.
Oh man, I can not wait for Phyllis to run for her life in the coming seasons.

NUB
01-13-2009, 10:27 AM
Their SB window is either closed or heading that way. They ran LT like they did Earl Campbell, which is essentially into the ground, and they didn't even take advantage of it. They were easily the most talented team in the league for awhile there and they have absolutely nothing to show for it, not even an AFC Championship.

And I love it.

lifeafter elway
01-13-2009, 10:27 AM
The Bolts should have traded LT last season, and kept Turner. And they should trade him this offseason, and keep Sproles. But they won't get anything for him, now. Perhaps a 4th; he's just too used up.

Let this be a lesson for us. You trade legends when you can, and get some value. Champ? I'm talking about you.

I don't know about that. I think what makes this case unique is a capable back up (in Turner). If we trade Champ - how do you replace his contributions?

What if we had done that with Elway?

dbfan21
01-13-2009, 10:28 AM
Tuesday, January 13, 2009- Nick Canepa

So now that Pittsburgh has ladled its cold, bitter soup into the Chargers' bowl, we must ask: What's the next course?

The 2009 Chargers will be quarterback Philip Rivers' team, as was 2008's. But he doesn't have to be the sole proprietor. It also should be linebacker Shawne Merriman's team.

And, as we sit here now looking at the club's current roster – one soon to be tossed with General Manager A.J. Smith's Own dressing – it also should be tailback LaDainian Tomlinson's team.

Except, in this case, two out of three may be bad.

I'd wager a short part of what little I own that this great running back, this San Diego icon, has made his last juke and cut as a San Diego Charger.

Life without LT? Prepare.

He has three years remaining on perhaps the NFL's most lucrative running back contract. His salary cap number in 2009 will be $8.8 million, and when you consider he's now 30 and due to injury basically has been a nonfactor in the team's last two failed playoff runs, doing the arithmetic isn't necessary.

LT's fate will be a business decision and help, which the Chargers need in more than one area, will cost money. He makes a lot of it, and it's unlikely he will be asked to take a pay cut.

“The areas are glaring,” Smith says, knowing the Steelers smoked out the weaknesses.

Once cornerback Quentin Jammer went out with a leg problem in Pittsburgh, the defensive front seven was dominated and the Steelers went after Jammer's replacements with considerable success.

“When Jammer goes out of the football game,” Smith says, “that's too bad – too bad for the Chargers and good for Pittsburgh.”

Once that opened up, the Chargers couldn't stop the run and couldn't get to quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, so they couldn't stop anything. Not a good cocktail and it burned the hell out of their throat. More help is needed on the line and at deep safety.

The right side of the offensive line, especially, needs shoring up. Without LT, there was an overwhelming inability Sunday to run the ball – unless you think 15 yards on 11 carries is good.

Darren Sproles, soon to be an unrestricted free agent, is a terrific runner, perhaps the most exciting player in The League, but he's not an every-down back. That much was evident Sunday. The Chargers were able to get away with him a week earlier, but the Indianapolis defense isn't Pittsburgh's, for one thing, and the Colts, not knowing the extent of LT's groin injury, still had to prepare for him.

The Steelers, despite spreading manure all week that LT was going to play, knew he wasn't. Tomlinson didn't help matters any when someone in his camp put the severity of the injury out there. It didn't come from the organization, which was furious.

So that's it. Am I pleased? No. All I can do is look at the team's running back situation. LT. Likely gone. Sproles. Could be gone. Michael Bennett. A serviceable journeyman. Jacob Hester. His future is at fullback. Mike Tolbert. An undersized fullback.

The only every-down back there is LT. Hard to believe he can be let go without a very good replacement. There are no guarantees Tomlinson won't get hurt again. There are no guarantees he won't.

But the Chargers know Sproles isn't an every-down guy.

“A lot of people say I dance around it and avoid the question,” says Smith, not exactly Baryshnikov. “Darren Sproles was drafted by the San Diego Chargers to help us in three areas – kick returns, spot play as a running back and catching passes out of the backfield.

“We will be pursuing Darren for exactly the same reasons.”

In other words, Smith has hard thinking to do over the next month as he begins to piece together the 2009 roster. It's beyond doubtful he can replace a Hall of Fame running back with another Hall of Fame running back, so he has to know there's a man in waiting somewhere before the cord is severed.

“You're assuming,” Smith says, “that, if we have to move on, we're not capable of getting another running back.”

I'm not assuming anything. All I can do is look at the chart, envision it without LT, and know for a fact he has no everydown back and he has a coach in Norv Turner who puts the run first.

As for the defense, even those with severe brain flatulence know the loss of Merriman to knee surgery was a disaster. The defense played better under coordinator Ron Rivera, but the great player couldn't be replaced, which is why we must wonder if LT can be replaced.

“I don't discuss injuries during the season,” Smith says. “The season's over now. Unless we figure out how to stop the passing assaults on this defense and get off the field and establish a sound running game, we will not get to where we want to go.

“We were not good enough in the postseason to go (on). We didn't stack up. We got our butts kicked. We missed Shawne Merriman.”

Finally. He said it.

But who's going to run the ball? He can't say.

In the end, this is A.J. Smith's team. As suspected.


http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jan/13/chargers-s13canepa/?chargers

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I can't say anything will surprise me about the NFL...but LT not being a Charger...not sure.

We all know the Chargers got burned by Michael Turner, but is it worth putting all their eggs into Sproles and maybe a draft pick.

I'm kinda nauseus at the thought of AJ Smith "tossing his dressing" on the roster...sick-o! ;D

bowtown
01-13-2009, 10:45 AM
The Bolts should have traded LT last season, and kept Turner. And they should trade him this offseason, and keep Sproles. But they won't get anything for him, now. Perhaps a 4th; he's just too used up.

Let this be a lesson for us. You trade legends when you can, and get some value. Champ? I'm talking about you.

Yeah an aging running back and an aging cornerback. Those are exactly the same thing. ::)

telluride
01-13-2009, 10:52 AM
Yeah an aging running back and an aging cornerback. Those are exactly the same thing. ::)

They're not, and we benefit from that. Meaning we might get some value from Champ. If we could get a 2nd and a 4/5th for him, we have to move him. He's an aging luxury for a team that can't afford it. Build this defense from the inside out.

Man-Goblin
01-13-2009, 10:54 AM
Yeah an aging running back and an aging cornerback. Those are exactly the same thing. ::)

Yeah, I thought it was Rivers that was the salad tosser on that team?

Archer81
01-13-2009, 10:58 AM
Yeah, I thought it was Rivers that was the salad tosser on that team?


Yup.


:Broncos:

Rock Chalk
01-13-2009, 11:05 AM
With the schedule the AFC West has to play next season... 8-8 will probably win the division again.

6-10 might win the division next year.

no-pseudo-fan
01-13-2009, 11:20 AM
We are going to surprise some teams next year. I am looking for a tougher defense, and a more effective offense(scoring). Schedules look tough before the season starts, but no one knows how things will shake out in the end.

Los Broncos
01-13-2009, 11:21 AM
I hope so, I'm sick of looking at him.

Orange_Beard
01-13-2009, 11:24 AM
Lt will be a Pat next year, it's where all the chargers go.

supermanhr9
01-13-2009, 11:35 AM
goodbye SD LT, hello KC LT. Larry johnson will be gone, I bet Herm will pick up LT in KC. I don't actually believe that but i have a buddy here at work that would love that

TonyR
01-13-2009, 11:57 AM
I hate the Chargers so don't like being the contrarian here but I think you're all writing their obituary a bit too soon. They finished strong, their D played much better under Rivera, they still have a lot of young talent, and Merriman will be back. Let's not forget that they beat Indy in the playoffs, and Indy was a good team this year.

They have good, young talent at QB, LT, and WR just like we do, and much better talent on D. To think we're automatically going to be better than them next year might be wishful thinking. But I hope you're right.

Gcver2ver3
01-13-2009, 12:02 PM
as someone stated already...

LT is not going to be traded with that age and contract...

400HZ
01-13-2009, 12:33 PM
LT has said many times that he wants to leave the game on his own terms before he turns into a Shaun Alexander. Maybe that's just talk. Maybe he'll retire during the offseason if his injury doesn't heal to his satisfaction. Maybe he'll stay healthy next year and have a big season. Either way, the Chargers are going to kick Denver's ass again next year. :)

AbileneBroncoFan
01-13-2009, 12:44 PM
If the Chargers should trade/release him if they're smart. He's 30, has a massive contract, and at this point is not as big of a threat out of the backfield as Sproles. Plus, I seriously doubt he will be healthy over a season ever again. Hasn't been the last two years. I want 8.8 million to get me more than 3.8 yards per carry. No RB in the NFL not named Peterson is worth that kind of money anyway.

Crushaholic
01-13-2009, 12:52 PM
I'm a Darren Sproles fan (unless he's hurting Denver), but even I can admit that he's not an every down back in the NFL. If Tomlinson is finished in San Diego, they better have a backup plan that doesn't involve giving Sproles the rock 20-30 times a game...

supermanhr9
01-13-2009, 01:01 PM
Man I hate the chargers. I hope Phillip Rivers gets gonorreah

AbileneBroncoFan
01-13-2009, 01:04 PM
I'm a Darren Sproles fan (unless he's hurting Denver), but even I can admit that he's not an every down back in the NFL. If Tomlinson is finished in San Diego, they better have a backup plan that doesn't involve giving Sproles the rock 20-30 times a game...

They'll draft someone. I would almost be willing to bet serious money that there will be a 2nd or 3rd round running back in the draft this year that will put up better numbers than LT next season.

Rigs11
01-13-2009, 02:41 PM
i would still take LT. look at what pittman did for us this year.

HEAV
01-14-2009, 12:09 PM
Don't look now...but LT is pissed!



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LaDainian Tomlinson was a rookie with the Chargers in 2001 when he read Brown's book. Asked later what resonated with him most, the former TCU star spoke about the aforementioned passage. Then he wrapped up his feelings by saying, in so many words: Pro football is a business; loyalty is a fantasy.

The significance of that belief has never carried more weight with Tomlinson than it does today. After nine mostly glorious seasons with the Chargers, during which he helped the organization go from 1-15 to a Super Bowl contender, the running back is rumored to be on the trading block.

The talk has hung in the air for weeks and, to date, no one from the front office has told him it's unfounded. The silence is deafening to Tomlinson -- particularly when you consider how swiftly general manager A.J. Smith and club president Dean Spanos moved to squash speculation that coach Norv Turner was on the hot seat during the team's 4-8 start.

Tomlinson, whose past two seasons were cut short by injury, knows the game is a business. But at the same time he is human and admits to being hurt by not only the lack of communication, but also the mere suggestion he should not be a part of the Chargers' future plans.

"I've tried to be the best professional, best player, best person in the community that this organization has ever seen, that's what I've always tried to do and will continue to do because that's who I am," Tomlinson said. "But to be treated like this, to me it just reaffirms my faith in God, to be honest with you. To let nothing bother me because of my faith in God and how far he has brought me. Because this is what man will do to you: Man will build you up and make you think that you're the greatest and that you're going to be here forever, and then man does this. Man crucifies you. ...

"I think it's ridiculous to be talking about trade and me not being here, that's just my personal opinion. I know every team has a right to make trades and all this stuff, but I just think it's ridiculous to be talking about this, to have this stuff in the media when this could be handled behind closed doors and in a professional way. Now I have people calling me, talking about this all the time; this has become a big story and I don't want this."

This seems a strange way to treat a player who has been the face of the franchise since shortly after arriving in San Diego. When the team extended Tomlinson's contract in 2004, making him the highest-paid running back in the league, Spanos spoke about Tomlinson being everything you could want in a player and person. He referred to him as a role model. He has had Tomlinson and his wife, LaTorsha, over to his house for dinner on multiple occasions and has allowed them to fly with him on his private jet to league events, including a press conference to accept the NFL's Man of the Year award following the 2006 season.So, it does seem peculiar that Spanos would be so silent at this point.

Smith, the general manager who has a reputation for being all-business, declined to discuss Tomlinson's situation this week because, as he has said on so many occasions, he does not discuss his team's football business. He said he plans to follow his customary routine, which is for everyone to get away after the season for a couple of weeks, then come back for player evaluation meetings with clear minds.

Those meetings will kick off on Jan. 27. However, unlike in previous years, when Tomlinson's name was never discussed because of his greatness and a contract that runs through 2011, Smith says L.T. will be discussed "heavily" this year. That's in part because Tomlinson will be 30 next season, is coming off two injury-shortened seasons, has an $8.8 million cap figure next season, and once said he didn't expect to play in the final year of his contract (although he also has said he does plan to play through the end of his deal).

"L.T. will be discussed in great length on a number of issues by this organization based on [the three years he has remaining on his contract]," Smith says. "Now that may be shocking to you or it may be shocking to L.T. or anyone else out there, and if it is I don't know what to tell you; but as the general manager of the football team, the recommendations I'm going to make to Dean Spanos, like I've done all these years, I think it's valid to discuss a football player like L.T. and [what has happened] the last couple of years, looking ahead to a contract that has three years remaining on it.

"All of that may be stunning to people, but as the GM here -- where I told you I would pass his name a few years ago -- it will be discussed heavily. I think it's valid; I don't think it's ridiculous. I think it's important at this point in time, as unreasonable as that may sound to many people or to you, I think it's a sound football decision."

There is an adage that it's not what you do, but how you do it. Tomlinson, in my opinion, earned the right long ago to have these discussions behind closed doors. He should not have to learn from reporters that the team will consider or attempt to trade him. That news should come directly from Spanos or Smith, even if they ultimately decide to do nothing.

This is not some journeyman we're talking about. This is a Hall of Fame back, an icon, a role model. He has conducted himself with class since he arrived and been a beacon for the organization. Smith says the team has made no decisions on any player under contract because, as is his custom, he waits until after the year-end evaluation meetings to get input from coaches and scouts.

I'm a firm believer that the Chargers -- and every other team -- has the right to trade any player, including Tomlinson (even though I believe it would be a mistake). But there is a right way and wrong way to go about it. So far the Chargers have chosen the wrong way.

Some of it could be a byproduct of the team's dislike for Tomlinson's agent, Tom Condon. There has been bad blood between the sides over how situations involving Drew Brees, Donnie Edwards and Eli Manning were handled. Management does not like Condon, and, for all we know, Condon doesn't like the San Diego brass.


The flames of discontent were fanned again during the playoffs when the severity of Tomlinson's groin injury leaked out the morning of the postseason opener against the Colts. The Chargers believe the information came from Tomlinson's camp, from Condon or someone on his staff. The organization was further inflamed when Tomlinson acknowledged the injury the next week, during preparations for the divisional-round game against Pittsburgh.

"People talk about getting their feelings hurt," Smith says. "Well, a lot of people get their feelings hurt all the time. This is a hard, cold business. I get my feelings hurt, too, when I see a report about an extensive evaluation of his injury come across the bottom of the screen from [ESPN's] Chris Mortensen. I get my feelings hurt there, too, and then double that when there is verification from L.T. right after that. So we all get our feelings hurt, and then you take a step back."

If the Chargers are looking to trade Tomlinson, there definitely will be a market, according to several general mangers who spoke on the condition of anonymity. But the Chargers aren't going to get what they could have a couple of years ago, when he was the best player in the game and shattered numerous rushing and scoring records.

Each of the executives said they doubted any team would surrender a first-day draft choice because Tomlinson will be 30 next year and has shown signs of wear and tear. He missed part of the playoffs last season with a sprained knee and was sidelined for all but the first half of the Colts wild-card game this year because of a partially detached groin.

"You could see from those final two games that he played in when he was healthy that he still has juice," says one GM. "But running backs who have had as many touches as him tend to drop off quickly after 30, and he's had problems with injuries."

The Chargers have the right to trade Tomlinson and surely will do what's best for their organization. But it would be nice to see them just once part ways with a Hall of Fame player on a good note. It didn't happen with tight end Kellen Winslow or safety Rodney Harrison or linebacker Junior Seau. Hopefully that trend ends with Tomlinson, although the way things have been handled to date raise serious doubt.

One thing I know: As much as Smith is viewed as a hard-ass, he has great respect for the legends of the game, particularly one as talented and as conscientious as Tomlinson. But he also can be emotional and sometimes allows that to affect his judgment. Deep down, I feel he ultimately will do the right thing with Tomlinson and at least reach out to him and tell him nothing has been decided either way.

Tomlinson, who is meeting today with a specialist to get a second opinion on his groin, says he plans on working as hard as ever in the offseason to have a great year in 2009. He says doctors have told him he doesn't need surgery at this point, a revelation that brings a smile to his face. But almost as quickly as he flashes it, it vanishes at the thought of the trade speculation.

Tomlinson says coach Norv Turner has told him the talk about him being traded is "ridiculous," and Spanos, during a postseason practice, talked to Tomlinson as if Tomlinson would return, although he did not mention the rampant speculation. Still, no one of authority has come out and squashed the talk in public.

"I'm going to continue to do the things to get me prepared and ready to play next year," Tomlinson says. "In today's game, you have no control over your future when you're under contract with somebody. They can release, they can trade you, they can do whatever they want with you, because you're under contract. I'm going to get myself healthy and prepared to play football at the highest level. That's all I'm going to say about it.

"I want to be here. I want to be here because I feel like this team is on the verge of being a championship team. Way back when we were struggling and my contract was coming up, I made a vow to myself that I wasn't going to run out at that time. I could have chosen to let it play out and try to get out of here. But I wanted to be a part of turning it around. Now I'm at the point where it has turned around. Things aren't absolutely perfect, but I think this is a chance that I'm going to have to win a championship before I retire. I started here and I want to finish here. But it's not up to me anymore. That's the disappointing thing."


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jim_trotter/01/14/tomlinson/index.html?eref=si_nfl

cutthemdown
01-14-2009, 12:15 PM
If LT does go he will hit open market. No one will trade for a cap number that high for someone who is injured.

Kaylore
01-14-2009, 12:18 PM
Wow. LT seems pretty whiny lately. The Boltz should have kept Turner and traded LT when they had the chance.

Rohirrim
01-14-2009, 12:22 PM
Wow. LT seems pretty whiny lately. The Boltz should have kept Turner and traded LT when they had the chance.

LT has always been whiny. He's the emo poster boy of the NFL. ;D

Kaylore
01-14-2009, 12:29 PM
LT has always been whiny. He's the emo poster boy of the NFL. ;D

Not always. It started with the loss to the Patriots at home and since then he's like a girl. I remember him in an interview almost in tears because he had a dream he was in the Super Bowl and couldn't understand why he would dream that and it not come true. I was like "it was a dream, you Fairy. I dream about a lot of stuff that's awesome and will never come true." He's really a big baby.

cutthemdown
01-14-2009, 12:32 PM
Not always. It started with the loss to the Patriots at home and since then he's like a girl. I remember him in an interview almost in tears because he had a dream he was in the Super Bowl and couldn't understand why he would dream that and it not come true. I was like "it was a dream, you Fairy. I dream about a lot of stuff that's awesome and will never come true." He's really a big baby.

Just be glad SD missed their chance to trade him for a number 1 pick and then go with Micheal Turner. We really dodged a bullet right there.

I said in a thread that offseason Chargers should keep Turner and trade LT. I remember people saying I had gone crazy but the facts are in. When a RB turns 30 there is only like a 1 in 10 chance he will continue to be worth big money for another 2-3 yrs. For ever RB that is (Curtis Martin etc) there seem to be 9 more whose production dropped.

Rohirrim
01-14-2009, 12:32 PM
Not always. It started with the loss to the Patriots at home and since then he's like a girl. I remember him in an interview almost in tears because he had a dream he was in the Super Bowl and couldn't understand why he would dream that and it not come true. I was like "it was a dream, you Fairy. I dream about a lot of stuff that's awesome and will never come true." He's really a big baby.

I once dreamed I had a suitcase full of money under my bed. It was so real, when I woke up I looked under there. Of course, then I jumped on my wife's case and said, "Who stole my money?"

I keed. ;D

Duke Earl Butch
01-14-2009, 12:35 PM
lawrence taylor is the only LT

tomlinson is very dumb. if he weren't a football playa, he'd be a shoe shine boy

theAPAOps5
01-14-2009, 12:37 PM
lawrence taylor is the only LT

tomlinson is very dumb. if he weren't a football playa, he'd be a shoe shine boy

Hey look the nazi is back.

Rohirrim
01-14-2009, 12:38 PM
Hey look the nazi is back.

I think he's more of a KKK troll. Hey, you ever see those Aryan Brotherhood guys? Talk about dumb. Those ****ers couldn't pull their fingers out of their asses if you wrote the instructions on their elbows. ;D

no-pseudo-fan
01-14-2009, 12:54 PM
He needs to be a man about this. The Chargers should've traded him last year. I understand that he wants to stay a Charger and has done a lot for the Chargers, but this is a "What have you done for me lately, and what can you do for me tomorrow" business. Brett wanted to remain a Jet, Alexander wanted to remain a Seahawk, Montana wanted to remain a 49er. You don't always get what you want and If you want to be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your wife.

400HZ
01-14-2009, 01:12 PM
The NFL is a league where players and runningbacks especially are chewed up and spit out. It has been shown many times in the past that even hall of fame caliber players are not immune. LT being moved or cut would not be a huge surprise.

That being said, I think he'll be in a Chargers uniform next season but probably not the year after. LT still puts asses in the seats, and he's still an effective runner when he's healthy. When you're talking about a team icon like Tomlinson, the decision to dump him isn't going to be made by AJ Smith. It's going to be made by Dean Spanos. AJ is hardassed enough to pull the trigger, but I doubt Spanos is. Idealy, Tomlinson would renegotiate his contract, but Condon isn't going to let that happen one year removed from a rushing title.

broncofan2438
01-14-2009, 01:32 PM
Bye Bye Lt.......

Gcver2ver3
01-14-2009, 02:42 PM
lawrence taylor is the only LT

tomlinson is very dumb. if he weren't a football playa, he'd be a shoe shine boy

i don't know if you meant to come off racist or not and quite frankly i don't care...i bout fell out my chair when i read that...:rofl:

HEAV
01-14-2009, 03:03 PM
The NFL is a league where players and runningbacks especially are chewed up and spit out. It has been shown many times in the past that even hall of fame caliber players are not immune. LT being moved or cut would not be a huge surprise.

That being said, I think he'll be in a Chargers uniform next season but probably not the year after. LT still puts asses in the seats, and he's still an effective runner when he's healthy. When you're talking about a team icon like Tomlinson, the decision to dump him isn't going to be made by AJ Smith. It's going to be made by Dean Spanos. AJ is hardassed enough to pull the trigger, but I doubt Spanos is. Idealy, Tomlinson would renegotiate his contract, but Condon isn't going to let that happen one year removed from a rushing title.

The main issue is who or whom do you guys have to replace him with? Both Sproles and Bennett are going to be freeagents. At the current moment LT is all you have back there and he's looking at months of rehab, after surgery, and may not be ready for mini camps.

So it's hard spot for the front office to be in right now.

theAPAOps5
01-14-2009, 03:11 PM
i don't know if you meant to come off racist or not and quite frankly i don't care...i bout fell out my chair when i read that...:rofl:

Actually he very much meant to be racist his only other post was derogatory to Jews.

boltaneer
01-14-2009, 03:14 PM
The main issue is who or whom do you guys have to replace him with? Both Sproles and Bennett are going to be freeagents. At the current moment LT is all you have back there and he's looking at months of rehab, after surgery, and may not be ready for mini camps.

So it's hard spot for the front office to be in right now.

There is no one to replace him.

Which is why I think all this LT trade talk is ridiculous. But the biggest problem is with the o-line right now, not the running backs. Goff is a free agent and won't be coming back - he had some good years here but he just doesn't have much left in the tank. And Clary needed to be benched at the start of the season. I still don't know why they didn't sit him for LJ Shelton.

Anyway back to the LT thing, I think the Chargers are handling this poorly. Just come out and say what is going on. Don't leave everyone and LT in the dark for no reason.

TheReverend
01-14-2009, 03:24 PM
Why hasn't anyone mentioned the most important part:

LaDanian is married to LaTorsha, LaDanian and LaTorsha Tomlinson... wtf

I wouldn't believe that part of the article, but you can't even make that **** up!

Los Broncos
01-14-2009, 03:42 PM
Why hasn't anyone mentioned the most important part:

LaDanian is married to LaTorsha, LaDanian and LaTorsha Tomlinson... wtf

I wouldn't believe that part of the article, but you can't even make that **** up!

I didn't catch that, thats awesome.

broncofan2438
01-14-2009, 04:33 PM
See ya LT........get outta the West......GO sit on someone else's bench

Karenin
01-14-2009, 04:46 PM
LT isn't done in San Diego, he's done, period. He won't break 1000 yards again in his career and will be out of the league in three years. Guaranteed.

400HZ
01-14-2009, 05:43 PM
The main issue is who or whom do you guys have to replace him with? Both Sproles and Bennett are going to be freeagents. At the current moment LT is all you have back there and he's looking at months of rehab, after surgery, and may not be ready for mini camps.

So it's hard spot for the front office to be in right now.

Bennett isn't a free agent until after next season. And the team isn't dumb enough to go into next season with Bennett as the #1 or even #2 back. And unless Sproles gets a ridiculous offer somewhere, he'll be back in San Diego.

fdf
01-14-2009, 07:25 PM
LT has always been whiny. He's the emo poster boy of the NFL. ;D

Oprah with wheels.

socalorado
01-14-2009, 07:40 PM
Bennett isn't a free agent until after next season. And the team isn't dumb enough to go into next season with Bennett as the #1 or even #2 back. And unless Sproles gets a ridiculous offer somewhere, he'll be back in San Diego.

Wrong. He is gone. See ya! Tschüss!, Ciao!, להתראות , tchau!, пока!, hej då!, Get the FCUK OUT!, tiện đây, Beat it! , sampai jumpa!, बाय!, Take a hike!, hei, Go the fcuk away!, Bye Bye!! :wave:

DBroncos4life
01-14-2009, 08:22 PM
They're not, and we benefit from that. Meaning we might get some value from Champ. If we could get a 2nd and a 4/5th for him, we have to move him. He's an aging luxury for a team that can't afford it. Build this defense from the inside out.

Yeah its rare to see a DB play well after he turns thirty.....wait it isn't. You can list quite a few DBs that play just fine after they hit thirty, but I can only recall watching one RB run ok after thirty so I don't see the comparison.

Karenin
01-14-2009, 11:31 PM
Bennett isn't a free agent until after next season. And the team isn't dumb enough to go into next season with Bennett as the #1 or even #2 back. And unless Sproles gets a ridiculous offer somewhere, he'll be back in San Diego.

San Diego can't afford to pay another RB anything more than a rookie contract because of that enormous albatross named LT hanging around their necks. Sproles will want more than what his rookie contract paid, ergo he will be gone. Sorry about that, have fun with Bennett as your #1 back after LT gets injured in game one.

400HZ
01-15-2009, 08:09 AM
San Diego can't afford to pay another RB anything more than a rookie contract because of that enormous albatross named LT hanging around their necks. Sproles will want more than what his rookie contract paid, ergo he will be gone. Sorry about that, have fun with Bennett as your #1 back after LT gets injured in game one.

You're right. With only $30some million of cap space, there is no way we can afford anything other than rookie contracts. And speaking of rookie contracts, there is probably no way that the Chargers can manage to draft another RB. Right? If memory serves me correct, Michael Turner and Darren Sproles were both big money top 10 draft picks.

Karenin
01-15-2009, 08:55 AM
Yea, have fun paying another RB big money while you have multiple other needs on both sides of the ball. Trust me, as a Broncos fan there's nothing I'd like to see more than SD giving some free agent RB $30 mil in guaranteed money.

broncsyanks
01-15-2009, 10:58 AM
I would
Love to take him if money can be figured out

Karenin
01-15-2009, 11:53 AM
**** no. Like I said, some team is going to be stupid enough to give him another mega-contract (hopefully the Chargers) and I pretty much guarantee it won't be the Broncos.

Gcver2ver3
01-15-2009, 12:08 PM
Actually he very much meant to be racist his only other post was derogatory to Jews.

well its a shame if it's true...since he gave Lawrence Taylor props i figured it was an LT thing and not a black thing but whatever...

i don't care about people being racist...if they wanna be ignorant thats on them...

but LT as a shoe shine boy, that's golden!...

HEAV
01-15-2009, 02:14 PM
The Chargers’ recent run to the playoffs lifted the spirits of a community like nothing else. Nothing elicits emotion and passion in San Diego like the Chargers.

That emotion and passion is clearly evident now as rumors swirl around the team and decisions it must make in the coming months.

It’s an emotional business, yet a business best run without emotion.

“Winning a Super Bowl for San Diego has always been and will always be our mission,” said team President Dean Spanos. “We are San Diego’s team and we owe that to the people who care about and support this team.

“We can’t let our emotions taint our decisions. We owe it to our fan base and the City we represent to make sound decisions that will help us win a Super Bowl.”

The questions to be discussed are many right now at Chargers Park.

What coaches can be added to help the Chargers win a Super Bowl?

What players on the roster give them the best chance to win?

What players are getting better and what players have peaked and started to drop off?

What players can be added, and at what positions, to ensure success?

Should the new faces be rookies acquired through the draft or veterans available on the free agent market?

Given the restraints of the NFL’s salary cap, how do they keep every player they want to keep?

Again, given the limitations of the salary cap, what does the team do with such key players as Darren Sproles, Malcom Floyd and nine others whose contracts are due to expire next month?

And how do they do that while also leaving enough money to sign this extensive list of top players – Philip Rivers, Vincent Jackson, Shawne Merriman, Tim Dobbins and Marcus McNeill among others – whose contracts expire after the upcoming season?

The number-one question being discussed by the Chargers’ faithful today is the future of running back LaDainian Tomlinson. Speculation and rumor are running wild.

Tomlinson and Spanos have become close over the years, and the team’s owner called his friend Thursday to explain the process and everything the team must take into account in the months ahead.

“We talked about the situation and I just tried to explain everything that must be considered,” said Spanos. “I told him we haven’t even started our discussions and won’t for awhile, so don’t jump to any conclusions. And I told him I would call him personally to make sure he’s aware of everything that’s going on.”

Could the team do what was once unthinkable and part ways with its future Hall of Fame running back, a player whose list of accomplishments is long but whose time on the field may be running short?

“I wish we knew the answers to all of these questions now, but we don’t,” said General Manager A.J. Smith. “We want our evaluation process to be as thorough as possible. We always start with open minds and with the same goal every year: put together the team that gives us the best chance to bring a championship to San Diego.”

According to the NFL calendar, teams cannot release players until Feb. 9, can’t designate Franchise Players until Feb. 19 and can’t make trades until Feb. 27.

That is why the team, according to Smith, takes this time to assess its position and options. It also provides enough time for the dust to settle on an emotional ending to a season and assure its judgments are based on solid facts for the future and not on the intense disappointment following a season unfulfilled.

“It’s important that we take the time necessary and get input from all of our coaches and personnel people and don’t make rash decisions,” said Smith.

http://www.chargers.com/news/headlines/spanos-lt-talk.htm



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Ya he's done in SD.

Rohirrim
01-15-2009, 02:28 PM
Damn, I miss TD. Remember the class that guy showed when he was robbed of his career by a freak injury? He put on that big smile that was his trademark and just moved on to new pursuits, making lemonade out of the lemon he had been handed. Pure class.

Inkana7
01-15-2009, 02:32 PM
Those Spanos quotes are telling. He's gone.