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lex
01-13-2009, 07:57 AM
I have to admit that I kind of like the move to the 3-4. I would have rather had Spags. But having said that, I like the different advantages that the 3-4 offers. And its kind of fun to think about what the roster will look like on opening day. So, I thought it would be kind of entertaining for people to share their vision by filling in the lineup. Fill in the name of the person you would like to see at each position:

RDE -
NT -
LDE -
OLB -
ILB -
ILB -
OLB -
CB -
CB -
FS -
SS -

Feel free to include draft prospects and free agents.

Elway777
01-13-2009, 11:05 AM
[QUOTE=lex;2249644]I have to admit that I kind of like the move to the 3-4. I would have rather had Spags. But having said that, I like the different advantages that the 3-4 offers. And its kind of fun to think about what the roster will look like on opening day. So, I thought it would be kind of entertaining for people to share their vision by filling in the lineup. Fill in the name of the person you would like to see at each position:

RDE - Thomas
NT - B. J. Raji, first round draft pick
LDE -Ziggy Hood, 3 round draft pick
OLB - Suggs
ILB - Williams
ILB - Jasper Brinkley, 4 round pick
OLB - Moss
CB - Bailey
CB - Bly
FS - O.J Atogwe
SS - Josh Barnett

Rock Chalk
01-13-2009, 11:07 AM
RDE - Marcus Thomas
NT - Casey Hampton
LDE - Julius Peppers
OLB - Jarvis Moss
ILB - Bart Scott
ILB - James Farrior
OLB - Terrell Suggs
CB - Champ Bailey
CB - Dre Bly
FS - Brian Dawkins
SS - Best Safety In Draft

Now, this is unrealistic, but that's my vision of a kick ass 3-4.

Killericon
01-13-2009, 11:17 AM
RDE - Marcus Thomas
NT - B. J. Raji
LDE - Tim Crowder
OLB - Terrell Suggs
ILB - D.J. Williams
ILB - Wesley Woodyard
OLB - Elvis Dumervil/Jarvis Moss
CB - Champ Bailey
CB - Dre Bly
FS - O.J. Atogwe
SS - Josh Barrett

Crowder is a big if.

crowebomber
01-13-2009, 11:24 AM
RDE - Marcus Thomas
NT - Casey Hampton
LDE - Julius Peppers
OLB - Jarvis Moss
ILB - Bart Scott
ILB - James Farrior
OLB - Terrell Suggs
CB - Champ Bailey
CB - Dre Bly
FS - Brian Dawkins
SS - Best Safety In Draft

Now, this is unrealistic, but that's my vision of a kick ass 3-4.

Looks expensive!

Orange_Beard
01-13-2009, 11:29 AM
RDE - Marcus Thomas
NT - Casey Hampton
LDE - Julius Peppers
OLB - Jarvis Moss
ILB - Bart Scott
ILB - James Farrior
OLB - Terrell Suggs
CB - Champ Bailey
CB - Dre Bly
FS - Brian Dawkins
SS - Best Safety In Draft

Now, this is unrealistic, but that's my vision of a kick ass 3-4.

That's pretty scary. But how does Jarvis Moss get on the field?

PRBronco
01-13-2009, 11:30 AM
Fun fun:
In my universe we couldn't afford Suggs :(

RDE - Crowder (if the new staff deemed him worth keeping); if not, then Shaun Cody
NT - Gabe Watson; backed up by Ron Brace who we got in the second, and a newly fatter Carlton Powell
LDE - Thomas, backed up by Nic Clemons
OLB - Everette Brown; Jarvis Moss rotating until a clear leader emerges
ILB - Larsen
ILB - Woodyard! (can you believe it? he beat out our mid round rookie Jasper Brinkley, it was intense)
OLB - DJ
CB - Champ
CB - Josh Bell (we're not totally comfortable with this, but Dre Bly was let go because he wouldn't take a pay cut)
FS - OJ Atogwe
SS - David Bruton (drafted him mid round, and he beat out Barrett in training camp)

MagicHef
01-13-2009, 11:31 AM
RDE - Marcus Thomas
NT - B. J. Raji
LDE - Tim Crowder
OLB - Terrell Suggs
ILB - D.J. Williams
ILB - Wesley Woodyard
OLB - Elvis Dumervil/Jarvis Moss
CB - Champ Bailey
CB - Dre Bly
FS - O.J. Atogwe
SS - Josh Barrett

Crowder is a big if.

I hate to act like a crazy person, but that might be what I'm about to do:

Assuming his problems are coaching and not simply being useless, what about Crowder at one of the OLB spots? Also, would Dumervil be worth considering at one of the ILB spots? I have no idea if either have the skill set necessary.

I think that the more positions we can fill with players currently on the roster, the more flexible we can be in FA and the draft, which, I think, will result in a better overall team next season.

socalorado
01-13-2009, 11:36 AM
RDE - Marcus Thomas
NT - Shaun Cody FA DET
LDE - Tim Crowder
OLB - Terrell Suggs FA BALT
ILB - Spencer Larsen
ILB - REY REY 1st RND
OLB - WWIII
CB - Champ Bailey
CB - Dre Bly
FS - O.J. Atogwe FA STL
SS - Josh Barrett

gyldenlove
01-13-2009, 11:55 AM
RDE: Shaun Cody (UFA)
NT: BJ Raji (BC)
LDE: Carlton Powell/Marcus Thomas

OLBw: DJ Williams
ILB: Spencer Larsen
ILB: Bart Scott/James Farrior
OLBs: Claw Matthews (USC)

CB: Champ Bailey
CB: Dre Bly
FS: Rashad Johnson (Bama)
SS: Josh Barrett

This assumes we are playing the Fairbanks 3-4 with 2-gap.

socalorado
01-13-2009, 11:59 AM
RDE: Shaun Cody (UFA)
NT: BJ Raji (BC)
LDE: Carlton Powell/Marcus Thomas

OLBw: DJ Williams
ILB: Spencer Larsen
ILB: Steve Larsen
OLBs: Claw Matthews (USC)

CB: Champ Bailey
CB: Dre Bly
FS: Rashad Johnson (Bama)
SS: Josh Barrett

This assumes we are playing the Fairbanks 3-4 with 2-gap.

Fixed it for ya!

JJG
01-13-2009, 11:59 AM
RDE -Marcus Thomas, Josh Shaw
NT -Ron Brace, FA/Powell
LDE -Kenny Peterson,Tim Crowder
OLB -Terell Suggs, Draft or FA
ILB -DJ Williams, Mario Haggan
ILB -Rey Maualuga, Spencer Larsen
OLB -Jarvis Moss, Draft or FA
CB -Champ Bailey,
CB -Dre Bly
FS -Atogwe, Derek Pegues
SS -Draft or FA, Barrett

Popps
01-13-2009, 12:00 PM
RDE - Marcus Thomas
NT - Casey Hampton
LDE - Julius Peppers
OLB - Jarvis Moss
ILB - Bart Scott
ILB - James Farrior
OLB - Terrell Suggs
CB - Champ Bailey
CB - Dre Bly
FS - Brian Dawkins
SS - Best Safety In Draft

Now, this is unrealistic, but that's my vision of a kick ass 3-4.

:rofl:

I love it.

Drek
01-13-2009, 12:01 PM
I hate to act like a crazy person, but that might be what I'm about to do:

Assuming his problems are coaching and not simply being useless, what about Crowder at one of the OLB spots? Also, would Dumervil be worth considering at one of the ILB spots? I have no idea if either have the skill set necessary.

I think that the more positions we can fill with players currently on the roster, the more flexible we can be in FA and the draft, which, I think, will result in a better overall team next season.

Dumervil inside seems like a big waste of some quality edge pass rusher skills, plus it demands more of his weak points (coverage and the like) than OLB in a 3-4 does.

Crowder at OLB though, I'm honestly betting on it at this point. Mike Nolan was the DC when Adalius Thomas came up through the ranks in Baltimore, wouldn't be surprised at all if he turns Crowder into a poor man's Thomas.

MagicHef
01-13-2009, 12:02 PM
Dumervil inside seems like a big waste of some quality edge pass rusher skills, plus it demands more of his weak points (coverage and the like) than OLB in a 3-4 does.

Crowder at OLB though, I'm honestly betting on it at this point. Mike Nolan was the DC when Adalius Thomas came up through the ranks in Baltimore, wouldn't be surprised at all if he turns Crowder into a poor man's Thomas.

Physically, Crowder is pretty much right between Adalius Thomas and Willie McGinest.

cmhargrove
01-13-2009, 12:04 PM
I have rationale for this in the draft forum, but here is my group (including draft picks).

So, my starting lineup on defense in 2009 would be:

DE - Tyson Jackson, LSU
NT - Terrance Taylor, Michigan
DE - Kenny Peterson

OLB - Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech
ILB - Dannell Ellerbe, Alabama
ILB - DJ or Larsen (let them compete)
OLB - Suggs

FS - Atogwe
SS - Barrett

CB - Bailey
CB - Bly

MagicHef
01-13-2009, 12:11 PM
RDE - Thomas
NT - Colin Cole/Gabe Watson/Shaun Cody
LDE - Peterson
OLB - Crowder/Moss/Dumervil
ILB - Larsen
ILB - DJ
OLB - Crowder/Moss/Dumervil
CB - Champ
CB - Bly
FS - Oshiomogho Atogwe
SS - Barrett

I figure like this, we sign Atogwe and one or two of the DTs I have listed. That way, we have all the positions filled before the draft, allowing us to go BPA. I'd hate for us to go into the draft knowing that we have to fill a position. For instance, say Curry falls to #12. I'd hate to miss him because we feel that we must take Raji to field a halfway competent defense.

Broncoman13
01-13-2009, 12:12 PM
I have to admit that I kind of like the move to the 3-4. I would have rather had Spags. But having said that, I like the different advantages that the 3-4 offers. And its kind of fun to think about what the roster will look like on opening day. So, I thought it would be kind of entertaining for people to share their vision by filling in the lineup. Fill in the name of the person you would like to see at each position:

RDE - Thomas
NT - B. J. Raji, first round draft pick
LDE -Ziggy Hood, 3 round draft pick
OLB - Suggs
ILB - Williams
ILB - Jasper Brinkley, 4 round pick
OLB - Moss
CB - Bailey
CB - Bly
FS - O.J Atogwe
SS - Josh Barnett

Who is Ziggy Hood? As for the rest of your lineup... AMAZING! Really like the idea of Atogwe roaming in our defensive backfield. I suggested Brinkley, and Raji as well!

Who are you targeting in round 2 in this scenario? Shonn Greene? What about Fili Moala, considering his size, he might be an ideal fit for a 3-4 DE?

Broncoman13
01-13-2009, 12:13 PM
RDE - Marcus Thomas
NT - Casey Hampton
LDE - Julius Peppers
OLB - Jarvis Moss
ILB - Bart Scott
ILB - James Farrior
OLB - Terrell Suggs
CB - Champ Bailey
CB - Dre Bly
FS - Brian Dawkins
SS - Best Safety In Draft

Now, this is unrealistic, but that's my vision of a kick ass 3-4.

It sucks! Jarvis Moss???

MagicHef
01-13-2009, 12:28 PM
Who is Ziggy Hood?

http://i39.tinypic.com/11ajomq.jpg

Houshyamama
01-13-2009, 12:29 PM
This thread kicks ass

(Jae)
01-13-2009, 12:44 PM
RDE - Popps
DT - Watermock
LDE - Taco John
OLB - Kaylore
ILB - Hogan
ILB - Sassy
OLB - Socalbronco
CB - ferrottenextelway
CB - tsiguy96
FS - Spider
FS - lex

barryr
01-13-2009, 01:02 PM
They could try Crowder at OLB, but I'm afraid he isn't fast enough to play there. Adalius Thomas he isn't. Thomas has the speed to even play some safety, which at times the Ravens did and had coverage ability. I'm not seeing Crowder with that skill.

But whatever they do, the players on defense need whatever skills they have maximized and that hasn't happened for years.

BroncoBuff
01-13-2009, 01:11 PM
RDE - Thomas
NT - Robertson/Brace (2nd round)
LDE - Peterson/Crowder
OLB - Moss/Winborn
ILB - (#12 pick)
ILB - Larsen
OLB - DJ/WW
CB - Champ
CB - Bly
FS - Atogwe
SS - Barrett

At least it's realistic.

Drek
01-13-2009, 01:12 PM
They could try Crowder at OLB, but I'm afraid he isn't fast enough to play there. Adalius Thomas he isn't. Thomas has the speed to even play some safety, which at times the Ravens did and had coverage ability. I'm not seeing Crowder with that skill.

But whatever they do, the players on defense need whatever skills they have maximized and that hasn't happened for years.

His combine numbers are very close and he showed good speed in the open field for us and for UT in college.

His combine numbers are also pretty much dead on with Suggs' and he's nearly 20 pounds heavier, FYI.

He's got the athleticism and the speed. The chances he has Thomas' awareness where he can play OLB, ILB, DE, and even occasionally drop in coverage like a safety are basically zero, but Nolan has shown he can turn raw talent into a good LB before, its entirely possible he can do the same with Crowder.

I'm not saying he's a slam dunk, but don't be surprised if come OTAs Crowder is lining up at ILB or OLB instead of DE.

PRBronco
01-13-2009, 01:12 PM
RDE - Popps
DT - Watermock
LDE - Taco John
OLB - Kaylore
ILB - Hogan
ILB - Sassy
OLB - Socalbronco
CB - ferrottenextelway
CB - tsiguy96
FS - Spider
FS - lex

I knew I wouldn't make it :( It was my tight hips, wasn't it?

BroncoBuff
01-13-2009, 01:13 PM
I don't think you can line up Hogan next to Sassy in the middle ... their focus would wander.

MagicHef
01-13-2009, 01:16 PM
They could try Crowder at OLB, but I'm afraid he isn't fast enough to play there. Adalius Thomas he isn't. Thomas has the speed to even play some safety, which at times the Ravens did and had coverage ability. I'm not seeing Crowder with that skill.

But whatever they do, the players on defense need whatever skills they have maximized and that hasn't happened for years.

Here are their combine numbers:

Adalius Thomas:
Height: 6023
Weight: 270
40 Yrd Dash: 4.59
20 Yrd Dash: 2.67
10 Yrd Dash: 1.61
225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump: 38 1/2
Broad Jump: 10'00"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.42
3-Cone Drill:

Tim Crowder
Height: 6035
Weight: 272
40 Yrd Dash: 4.69
20 Yrd Dash: 2.71
10 Yrd Dash: 1.59
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 32
Vertical Jump: 30 1/2
Broad Jump: 09'03"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.32
3-Cone Drill: 7.28

Physically, I don't think he's that far off. Mentally, I have no idea.

broncsyanks
01-13-2009, 01:20 PM
As long as it's better then last years defence I don't really care

Elway777
01-13-2009, 01:30 PM
Who is Ziggy Hood? As for the rest of your lineup... AMAZING! Really like the idea of Atogwe roaming in our defensive backfield. I suggested Brinkley, and Raji as well!

Who are you targeting in round 2 in this scenario? Shonn Greene? What about Fili Moala, considering his size, he might be an ideal fit for a 3-4 DE? Ziggy Hood also know as Evander Hood is first team big 12 defensive tackle from Missori. He is 6-4 and 300 pounds and rans a 4.9 40. Fits the mold of a 3-4 De end with his size and speed.

elsid13
01-13-2009, 01:39 PM
Real rough. Bly and Robinson are cut. Doom is traded for 4th rounder to Tampa 2 team. Maybe Houston.

RDE -Thomas/Peterson
NT - Fields (FA 49ers) /Brace (BC 2nd round)
LDE -Canty (FA DAL)/Crowder/ Kyle Moore (USC 7th)
OLB -Matt Panfil (TCU 5th)/Moss
ILB - Larson
ILB - Williams
OLB - Boss (About the same size as Porter (MIA)
CB - Jenkins (Ohio State 1st)
/MF Williams
CB - Champ/ Bell
FS - Nelson (Arz 7th)
SS - Barrett/Vaugh

Nickle LB - Woodyard
Nickle/Dime DE - Moss/Crowder
Nickle/Dime DT - Thomas/Brace

Draft
1 Jenkins
2 Brace
3.Ramses Barden (WR CAL Pol) This guy reminds me so much of Marshall or Vinect Jackson and
I think he fits the offense to a "T
4. Mike Thomas (WR Arizona)
4. Chip Vaugh Wake Forest Extra from trade of Doom/
5 Eric Wood (Center Louisville)
5 Matt Panfil (TCU 5th)
6 Running back have decide yet
7 Nate Nelson (Arizona FS)
7 Kyle Moore (DT/DT

Kid A
01-13-2009, 01:41 PM
Ziggy Hood also know as Evander Hood is first team big 12 defensive tackle from Missori. He is 6-4 and 300 pounds and rans a 4.9 40. Fits the mold of a 3-4 De end with his size and speed.

Watching him the last couple years I have been frequently impressed. He has to have gotten a fair amount of attention for his performance in the Alamo Bowl.

Rock Chalk
01-13-2009, 01:55 PM
It sucks! Jarvis Moss???

Hey, Jarvis might be a good OLB in the 3-4 with a good coach.

I'd be willing to give him a try as long as I had the rest of that talent around him/.

Drek
01-13-2009, 01:56 PM
Ziggy Hood also know as Evander Hood is first team big 12 defensive tackle from Missori. He is 6-4 and 300 pounds and rans a 4.9 40. Fits the mold of a 3-4 De end with his size and speed.

I agree, I really like Hood in a 3-4 DE role.

My ideal 3-4 11 man lineup for next season:

LDE - Evander Hood/Kenny Peterson (2nd round selection)
NT - Robertson/Ron Brace (3rd round selection)
RDE - Marcus Thomas/Kenny Peterson
Jack - Terrell Suggs/Jarvis Moss
Will - DJ Williams/Wesley Woodyard
Mike - Spencer Larsen/Mario Haggans
Sam - Dumervil/Crowder
CB1 - Champ Bailey/Josh Bell/Karl Paymah
CB2 - Dre Bly/Jack Williams/Karl Paymah
Nickel - Josh Bell/Jack Williams/Karl Paymah
SS - Josh Barrett/Kevin Ellison or Nic Harris (late round draftee)
FS - OJ Atogwae/same as above

Of course this is assuming we can get Hood in the 2nd and still land Brace in the 3rd. I didn't allocate the 1st overall because its way too far out to predict who might be there. For all we know Curry doesn't run real great at the combine and falls in our laps, Malcom Jenkins slides for god knows why, etc.. But Assuming guys go where they should I could see taking BJ Raji with the 1st, Hood in the 2nd, and using the 3rd somewhere else.

barryr
01-13-2009, 02:15 PM
Here are their combine numbers:

Adalius Thomas:
Height: 6023
Weight: 270
40 Yrd Dash: 4.59
20 Yrd Dash: 2.67
10 Yrd Dash: 1.61
225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump: 38 1/2
Broad Jump: 10'00"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.42
3-Cone Drill:

Tim Crowder
Height: 6035
Weight: 272
40 Yrd Dash: 4.69
20 Yrd Dash: 2.71
10 Yrd Dash: 1.59
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 32
Vertical Jump: 30 1/2
Broad Jump: 09'03"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.32
3-Cone Drill: 7.28

Physically, I don't think he's that far off. Mentally, I have no idea.

Granted Crowder hasn't had much chance to show what he can, but the times he has played, he didn't seem to play to that speed.

barryr
01-13-2009, 02:16 PM
Whoever they get, it would sure be nice to watch a defense actually make plays behind the line of scrimmage and not just making tackles after 20 yard gains like we've seen far too often the last few years.

Broncoman13
01-13-2009, 02:22 PM
RDE - Popps (He can talk the talk, can he walk the walk?)
DT - Spider (Want some beef at the DT... no offense buddy)
LDE - Taco John (Strikes me as more of a LBer, but we can go with it)
OLB - Kaylore (The length would be better suited at DE but he needs to add some bulk. Good spot for him... for now.)
ILB - Hogan (Good spot for him. Limited range but he's a banger in the middle)
ILB - Sassy (The other banger in the middle? ;D)
OLB -ferrottenextelway (Rookie from a small schoo... we'll see what he has)
CB - Watermock (Shown the capability of recovering after getting beat)
CB - tsiguy96 (Incredible speed but he's been in the league for an awful long time)
FS - Socalbronco (The brains of the defense, what he lacks in physical ability he makes up for in preparation!)
FS - ApaOps (The asst. brains of the defense. Don't let his height fool you, he's a thumper in the Bob Sanders mold!)


Little fun...