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tsiguy96
01-11-2009, 10:08 PM
when i heard shanahan was fired, i didnt weep, cry, come on OM and bitch endlessly about how we just got rid of god almighty himself, or act like the organization as we know it will never be good again. i was shocked, but given the lack of success this team has had over last 10 years, i was ok with it. when we were looking for coaches, i didnt cry at the thought at getting anyone except a certain guy i like (and given the information us as people have, what we know is close to zero), i didnt say "if we get mcdaniels/frazier/morris we are doomed! we must get spags or this franchise will never be good again". now that we hired a guy, im not going off the deep end again about how firing shanahan was a horrible idea, im not predicting the end of the broncos or talking how pat bowlen is a horrible owner. im willing to give the new guy a chance to show us what he can do. why are so many of you ****ing idiots going off the deep end about every move this team makes? why cant you cheer for the team, hope the team gets better and support the head coach of this team, instead of secretly hoping he does bad just so you can get your jollies off that you predicted he would be bad?

i dont understand how some of you can go this nuts about every aspect of football, especially given that all your crazy ridiculous jump off teh deep end posts will make zero impact on this organization. learn to become a true fan. you dont have to 100% agree with everything this team does, but you do not have to go off the ****ing deep end everytime something OTHER than waht you want to happen actually does. chill the **** out and enjoy the game.

Goobzilla
01-11-2009, 10:14 PM
If you didn't douse yourself in gasoline either when Shanahan was fired or McDaniels was hired there's something seriously wrong with you. Seek professional help immediately.

Taco John
01-11-2009, 10:18 PM
You're not rare. There are plenty of homers out there.

tsiguy96
01-11-2009, 10:23 PM
You're not rare. There are plenty of homers out there.

so not going off the deep end at every single move the team does makes me a homer huh? being open to new ideas that people MUCH MUCH smarter then me decide to do for the betterment of this team....sorry if you think you are better than this team at making decisions.

Taco John
01-11-2009, 10:26 PM
Believing that every decision the team makes is a good one is being a homer. It's actually ok to disagree with decisions the team makes. Hell, I'm a huge Shanahan fan, and I can name about two dozen decisions that I couldn't disagree with him more on. They eat me up when I stop to think about them - especially letting Roaf get away to KC. That was crap.

tsiguy96
01-11-2009, 10:29 PM
Believing that every decision the team makes is a good one is being a homer. It's actually ok to disagree with decisions the team makes. Hell, I'm a huge Shanahan fan, and I can name about two dozen decisions that I couldn't disagree with him more on. They eat me up when I stop to think about them - especially letting Roaf get away to KC. That was crap.

i believe if you read my entire first post, i said its ok to disagree with teh team. of course it is tehy dont ALWAYS do whats right. but i, unlike a lot of morons here, still support the team. i want the head coach to do good, i dont predict massive failure, and im not gonna go off the deep end after a big loss. are you going to?

ro_50
01-11-2009, 10:29 PM
I think people are passionate about Denver football and we all have opinions of who should be the coach, what plays they run or what players they should draft.

I think a forum is a great way for people to get together and discuss these differences of opinions.

Look at the hire, some like it, some don't and some are taking the wait and see approach (I'm of the latter, I'm taking the wait and see approach with McDaniels).

We live in a world of instant feedback and response, so I don't mind if people are upset w/ the selection, its their opinion and they have a right to voice it.

I tend to be patient. I think its an intriguing hire to say the least. The guy has an impressive resume and seems like the only knock on him is that he's 32 years old.

But I applaud Bowlen for taking the road less traveled w/ this selection.

This offseason is going to be an interesting one.

SoCalBronco
01-11-2009, 10:30 PM
i dont understand how some of you can go this nuts about every aspect of football, .

Some of us live and die with this team. When they win, its an unbelievable high. When they lose, I'm depressed for days and days. How the Broncos do sets up my week. I don't have a wife or any kids. My weekly life is taken hostage by how this team does from Sept-Jan. It's total hardcore love and dedication, its a rollercoaster every minute. That's what being a fan is, dude. That's why we follow this team on an hour by hour basis, not even a day by day one. It's completely hard core. You literally feel PAIN when things go bad. You can literally feel it.

It's like a drug...except alot more addicting. I couldn't get off of this even if I wanted to.

tsiguy96
01-11-2009, 10:33 PM
Some of us live and die with this team. When they win, its an unbelievable high. When they lose, I'm depressed for days and days. How the Broncos do sets up my week. Our lives are taken hostage by this team. It's total hardcore love, its a rollercoaster every minute. That's what being a fan is, dude. That's why we follow this team on an hour by hour basis, not even a day by day one. It's completely hard core. You literally feel PAIN when things go bad. You can literally feel it.

It's like a drug...except alot more addicting. I couldn't get off of this even if I wanted to.

so why do people go absolutely nuts when we pick a HC they dont like, given they know pretty much nothing behind the scenes? take lex for example, or therev and taco john for 2 weeks after shanny got fired. how can anyone like that call themselves a fan. all the people predicting gloom and doom for years to become because of mcdaniels, are they fans too?

SoCalBronco
01-11-2009, 10:37 PM
so why do people go absolutely nuts when we pick a HC they dont like, given they know pretty much nothing behind the scenes? take lex for example, or therev and taco john for 2 weeks after shanny got fired. how can anyone like that call themselves a fan. all the people predicting gloom and doom for years to become because of mcdaniels, are they fans too?

We fly off the handle because we CARE. So what if we dont know whats going on behind the scenes. Everyone on this board follows this team very closely....especially the regulars. We'd like to think we are pretty well informed fans and as such we develop strong opinions and views. Combine that with the fact that the Broncos are LITERALLY like life and death to some of us, and when something happens that you really hate, you'll get a huge reaction.

You think I throw around the "Bowlen needs to get assraped by a 15 inch AIDS infected dick" line every day or something? :)

This isn't just a game, for some of us, its our lives. We take it ultra-seriously. Like way over the line seriously. I know I do. It's not healthy, but you can't really help it sometimes.

Taco John
01-11-2009, 10:38 PM
...and im not gonna go off the deep end after a big loss. are you going to?


Oh for sure. I've taken Broncos losses hard since I was a kid. Only recently have I been able to take any losses in stride, and it was because I felt like I understood what direction this team was going and that the losses were short term until we could direct our considerable resources this offseason towards defensive players.

This team is in "win now" mode. Most fans think that we've got a team poised to win it all within the next three years. Losses that this team faces is not going to be met with ambivalence in Broncos land. Not here. Not anywhere.

Like it or not, there is a huge fissure in the Broncos fan base right now, and the only thing that will heal it is winning.

tsiguy96
01-11-2009, 10:40 PM
We fly off the handle because we CARE. So what if we dont know whats going on behind the scenes. Everyone on this board follows this team very closely....especially the regulars. We'd like to think we are pretty well informed fans and as such we develop strong opinions and views. Combine that with the fact that the Broncos are LITERALLY like life and death to some of us, and when something happens that you really hate, you'll get a huge reaction.

You think I throw around the "Bowlen needs to get assraped by a 15 inch AIDS infected dick" line every day or something? :)

i dont think you understand. im as big a fan as everyone here, i support the TEAM. 10 years and 1 playoff win is not an admirable thing, no coach in the league stays in the game that long with such mediocrity. taco john, lex, therev etc went and freaked out hardcore, insulting anyone and everyone who disagreed with them because they HAD to be right, when they supported such mediocrity. you say they freak out because they care so much, if they cared so much they WOULDNT freak out, they would support the team. not predict massive failure for years to come like so many here have, they are not fans.

SoCalBronco
01-11-2009, 10:43 PM
you say they freak out because they care so much, if they cared so much they WOULDNT freak out, they would support the team. not predict massive failure for years to come like so many here have, they are not fans.

We have a different definition of caring then. When I care about something so much as to devote so much time and energy and money and emotion to it as I do the Broncos, I will form alot of opinions on it, some of them very strong. Other people will too. When you see something that you really disagree with, you will get pissed.

I can't agree with your proposition that "because you care about the team= don't freak out and support whatever the team does". This isn't homerland. It's not Broncomania. We don't follow in line like sheep to whatever the team does. We have our own opinions and the team can be and is often wrong (and by contrast, they are also often right too). Getting pissed at that is natural. There's nothing wrong with it. At all.

tsiguy96
01-11-2009, 10:50 PM
We have a different definition of caring then. When I care about something so much as to devote so much time and energy and money and emotion to it as I do the Broncos, I will form alot of opinions on it, some of them very strong. Other people will too. When you see something that you really disagree with, you will get pissed.

I can't agree with your proposition that "because you care about the team= don't freak out and support whatever the team does". This isn't homerland. It's not Broncomania. We don't follow in line like sheep to whatever the team does. We have our own opinions and the team can be and is often wrong (and by contrast, they are also often right too). Getting pissed at that is natural. There's nothing wrong with it. At all.

i didnt say you have to agree with everything the team does, you should support them in their decisions though, especially with front office decisions considering no one here is qualified to decide who is the right head coach for this team. we dont have access to interviews or anything else to show us if they will be a good head coach. bowlen and company are professionals, we are fans of teh team they put o the field.

how does you freaking out, considering you have ZERO CONTROL over whatever the team does, help anything other tehn raising your stress? it doesnt, what is wrong with sitting back and enjoying the product pat has put on the field, considering its rarely if ever BAD. true fans dont FREAK OUT over **** they have no real reason to, such as a head coaching position. every candidate was an unknown, pat picked the person he viewed as best, and we should trust his judgement as hes rarely if ever wrong. your opinions honestly dont mean jack considering how little you know of the situation. you read an article on a certain head coach and you think hes the right guy, then read an article on another one and then hes teh right guy. you think that makes you qualified to predict doom and gloom over who the next coach is?

tsiguy96
01-11-2009, 10:52 PM
Oh for sure. I've taken Broncos losses hard since I was a kid. Only recently have I been able to take any losses in stride, and it was because I felt like I understood what direction this team was going and that the losses were short term until we could direct our considerable resources this offseason towards defensive players.

This team is in "win now" mode. Most fans think that we've got a team poised to win it all within the next three years. Losses that this team faces is not going to be met with ambivalence in Broncos land. Not here. Not anywhere.

Like it or not, there is a huge fissure in the Broncos fan base right now, and the only thing that will heal it is winning.

we will never win if everyone goes off the deep end calling for mcd's head after a single horrible loss, which we will almost undoubtedly have this year as we seem to every year.

Taco John
01-11-2009, 10:54 PM
10 years and 1 playoff win is not an admirable thing...

This is a fake stat. Our last Superbowl win came in the 1998 season, and we're just finishing the 2008 season which would mean that in the last ten years we've won four playoff games including a Superbowl.

tsiguy96
01-11-2009, 10:56 PM
This is a fake stat. Our last Superbowl win came in the 1998 season, and we're just finishing the 2008 season which would mean that in the last ten years we've won four playoff games including a Superbowl.

sorry, 9 years and 1 playoff win. thats a better stat. billick got fired 5 years after winning a SB (or was it 6?) for being unproductive. norv turner has far more playoff wins tehn shanahan the last few years, you see a problem with that?

lex
01-11-2009, 10:58 PM
This is a fake stat. Our last Superbowl win came in the 1998 season, and we're just finishing the 2008 season which would mean that in the last ten years we've won four playoff games including a Superbowl.

No, 10 years is correct. If youre going to include 2008, 10 years goes back to the beginning of 1999.

theAPAOps5
01-11-2009, 10:58 PM
tsi you are fighting a losing battle. Some people just would be happy with Shanny being HC and keeping the status quo. I actually would have loved Shanny to stay. But the problem is I wanted Shanny the GM to go. Unfortunately that meant the coach followed.

This hire is great if not exceptional now that we know who he is bringing in to coach the Defense. Pretty soon those who disagree will come around.

Taco John
01-11-2009, 10:58 PM
we will never win if everyone goes off the deep end calling for mcd's head after a single horrible loss, which we will almost undoubtedly have this year as we seem to every year.



The situation is what it is. I think what you'll find is that people will generally support McDaniels so long as we're winning. The only way people support a coach through losses is if he's bought that support with a good amount of winning. That's just the NFL. Broncos fans aren't any different than any other team's fans in that regard.

Taco John
01-11-2009, 10:59 PM
No, 10 years is correct. If youre going to include 2008, 10 years goes back to the beginning of 1999.


Yes, and at the beginning of 1999 is the playoffs, and then the Atlanta Superbowl in which Elway was MVP.

lex
01-11-2009, 11:00 PM
Yes, and at the beginning of 1999 is the playoffs, and then the Atlanta Superbowl in which Elway was MVP.

Ah, I didnt think you were talking about 365 day years...thought you were talking about NFL seasons.

DarkHorse30
01-11-2009, 11:28 PM
To be fair to Shanahan, winning big with the type of team that Shanahan assembled after all of his skill players retired or got injured was next to impossible for any coach. For Shanahan to bring Denver to the AFC Championship and nearly getting a whiff of the SB a few years back was extraordinary.

You have to say that Denver's drafts have been much more ordinary and productive the last few years.....for some reason, Shanahan seemed to reach for injured players. This year we will have a new coach, the Goodman's will be running the draft, and a new DC will get to build a defense the way he wants to. What can be so bad about a chance to build a defense from scratch....especially when the expectations will be unbelievably low. It kind of reminds me of the way Parcells always picks teams that have big problems to start over with.

Blart
01-11-2009, 11:34 PM
You're the type of fan that makes for boring messageboards.

ColoradoDarin
01-11-2009, 11:37 PM
No, you're not rare. It's just that there are quite a lot of people who like to post and like to blow off steam, rejoice, etc. Now I live and die about how the Broncos do on Sundays. My NC-born wife roots for the Broncos to win just so I'll be happy and not mopey and pissed off for a few days. I think there are a lot more fans like you around, but you're on a Broncos message board 2 weeks after the season is over. I was shocked when Shanahan was fired, but only because I thought he was "coach for life" and not for his performance (mainly as GM).

Anonymity + internet message board = Jerry Springer Show.

Popps
01-12-2009, 02:02 AM
This is a fake stat. Our last Superbowl win came in the 1998 season, and we're just finishing the 2008 season which would mean that in the last ten years we've won four playoff games including a Superbowl.

Good Christ, dude. Are you serious?

97/98 (SB Played in 1998)
98/99 (SB played in 1999)

99/00
00/01
01/02
02/03
03/04
04/05
05/06
06/07
07/08
08/09

Count those seasons in between, junior. Let me know what you come up with.

Taco reinvents math. Even in math, Taco is "right either way."

:rofl:

Popps
01-12-2009, 02:03 AM
Oh, and even if it were 9 years... which it's not, but if it were, that would suck-ass, too.

The Raiders and Chargers have both done more, more recently.

Only the lowly Chefs are more embarrassing than us over that stretch.

footstepsfrom#27
01-12-2009, 02:18 AM
when i heard shanahan was fired, i didnt weep, cry, come on OM and b**** endlessly about how we just got rid of god almighty himself, or act like the organization as we know it will never be good again. i was shocked, but given the lack of success this team has had over last 10 years, i was ok with it. when we were looking for coaches, i didnt cry at the thought at getting anyone except a certain guy i like (and given the information us as people have, what we know is close to zero), i didnt say "if we get mcdaniels/frazier/morris we are doomed! we must get spags or this franchise will never be good again". now that we hired a guy, im not going off the deep end again about how firing shanahan was a horrible idea, im not predicting the end of the broncos or talking how pat bowlen is a horrible owner. im willing to give the new guy a chance to show us what he can do. why are so many of you ****ing idiots going off the deep end about every move this team makes? why cant you cheer for the team, hope the team gets better and support the head coach of this team, instead of secretly hoping he does bad just so you can get your jollies off that you predicted he would be bad?

i dont understand how some of you can go this nuts about every aspect of football, especially given that all your crazy ridiculous jump off teh deep end posts will make zero impact on this organization. learn to become a true fan. you dont have to 100% agree with everything this team does, but you do not have to go off the ****ing deep end everytime something OTHER than waht you want to happen actually does. chill the **** out and enjoy the game.
Because "fan" is short for "fanatic". Get it?

Blueflame
01-12-2009, 03:08 AM
Good Christ, dude. Are you serious?

97/98 (SB Played in 1998)
98/99 (SB played in 1999)

99/00
00/01
01/02
02/03
03/04
04/05
05/06
06/07
07/08
08/09

Count those seasons in between, junior. Let me know what you come up with.

Taco reinvents math. Even in math, Taco is "right either way."

:rofl:

Uh... no. 10 years ago (January 9, 1999) the Denver Broncos had just defeated the Miami Dolphins 38-3 in the Divisional Round of the playoffs. The next week (January 17, 1999), was the AFCC game in which the Broncos beat the Jets 23-10. And two weeks later (January 31, 1999) was SB XXXIII, a win over the Atlanta Falcons, 34-19.

If you're wanting to nitpick, it's been 10 years and three days (it's after midnight; hence the 12th) since the win over the Dolphins. But TJ is right in saying that we've won three playoff games, including a SB within the last 10 years because January 31, 2009 marks the 10-year anniversary of our last SB win. The number of playoff wins in a decade won't drop to one until Feb. 1, 2009.

The Joker
01-12-2009, 03:15 AM
Yes, and at the beginning of 1999 is the playoffs, and then the Atlanta Superbowl in which Elway was MVP.

2000
2001
2002
2003
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008
2009

10 years of post-season, or it will be in two weeks, unless you expect us to win some playoff games in the meantime?

The MVPlaya
01-12-2009, 03:32 AM
when i heard shanahan was fired, i didnt weep, cry, come on OM and b**** endlessly about how we just got rid of god almighty himself, or act like the organization as we know it will never be good again. i was shocked, but given the lack of success this team has had over last 10 years, i was ok with it. when we were looking for coaches, i didnt cry at the thought at getting anyone except a certain guy i like (and given the information us as people have, what we know is close to zero), i didnt say "if we get mcdaniels/frazier/morris we are doomed! we must get spags or this franchise will never be good again". now that we hired a guy, im not going off the deep end again about how firing shanahan was a horrible idea, im not predicting the end of the broncos or talking how pat bowlen is a horrible owner. im willing to give the new guy a chance to show us what he can do. why are so many of you ****ing idiots going off the deep end about every move this team makes? why cant you cheer for the team, hope the team gets better and support the head coach of this team, instead of secretly hoping he does bad just so you can get your jollies off that you predicted he would be bad?

i dont understand how some of you can go this nuts about every aspect of football, especially given that all your crazy ridiculous jump off teh deep end posts will make zero impact on this organization. learn to become a true fan. you dont have to 100% agree with everything this team does, but you do not have to go off the ****ing deep end everytime something OTHER than waht you want to happen actually does. chill the **** out and enjoy the game.

Yeah, we are rare fans.

watermock
01-12-2009, 03:39 AM
TSI was 5 years old when the orange crush went to the SB.

And he's teaching us history?

Dedhed
01-12-2009, 04:19 AM
so why do people go absolutely nuts when we pick a HC they dont like, given they know pretty much nothing behind the scenes? take lex for example, or therev and taco john for 2 weeks after shanny got fired. how can anyone like that call themselves a fan. all the people predicting gloom and doom for years to become because of mcdaniels, are they fans too?There is a certain percentage of delusional people out there who truly believe that they know more than the people inside the organization.

Even though they've never met Spagnuolo or McDaniels, they "know" who the right person is because they played or coached high school football and read the Denver post.

I was shocked by the Shanahan firing, and pretty surprised by the McDaniels hiring. It would have been the safe bet to stick with Shanahan or go with Spagnuolo, and I'm not sure I agree with either move.

However, I don't presume for a second that I know more than the people who are making the calls, and that should be true of every member of this board. It's the simple truth that nobody on here, even the "insiders" have enough information or knowledge to be able to call any move right or wrong. That ability only exists in their egoic minds.

Some of the crazies just believe they know more than the people who have worked their entire lives to get into the positions they're in, and have worlds more information than we get from Woody Paige.

It's no different than guys who tear up their flag football league thinking they could play in the NFL; laughable.

Gort
01-12-2009, 04:36 AM
Yes, and at the beginning of 1999 is the playoffs, and then the Atlanta Superbowl in which Elway was MVP.

last 10 SEASONS. not years. SEASONS.

Shanny lost his edge. he had to go. two men enter, 1 man leaves. this is Thunderdome.

Gort
01-12-2009, 04:39 AM
There is a certain percentage of delusional people out there who truly believe that they know more than the people inside the organization.

let's just call them... those who play MADDEN on their playstation.

Meck77
01-12-2009, 04:46 AM
There is a certain percentage of delusional people out there who truly believe that they know more than the people inside the organization.

Isn't that an interesting phenomena?

What I see happening with football fans is they are becoming more of a fantasy football mentality and pulling for individuals is more important than even following a particular team. To each his own I suppose.

There may be a new trend emerging and that is with Broncos "fans" becoming "shanny" fans with his next team.

cutthemdown
01-12-2009, 05:20 AM
I hate it when a person thinks there type of personality and approach to following football is better then anothers. Get off your high horse and add to the football discussion instead of trying to analyze people and judge what type of fan they are.

We all love the Broncos, none of us makes a better fan as long as you pull for the Broncos every Sunday when that whistle blows.

Cito Pelon
01-12-2009, 05:27 AM
This is a fake stat. Our last Superbowl win came in the 1998 season, and we're just finishing the 2008 season which would mean that in the last ten years we've won four playoff games including a Superbowl.

1999 season thru 2008 season is 10 seasons.