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bronco0608
01-11-2009, 07:08 PM
I remember Jerry Jones saying that bigtime coaches are not worth the headache, money, or power they want after leaving a team they won a Super Bowl with. He pointed to the track record of coaches like Bill Parcells, Mike Holmgren, Jimmy Johnson, George Seifert, and Dick Vermeil. All those coaches won a Super Bowl with a previous team, and every job they had after that never produced a single Super Bowl win.

The game of football is all about freshness. Young coordinators learn under the best, come up with their own twists, fool other coordinators for years, and win big with their unique brand of football. Then the rest of league copies what they do, and they become stale.

Plus, looking at the recent hires of non-big name coaches, they are doing quite well for themselves:

Ken Wisenhut Arizona
Mike Smith Atlanta
Jim Harbaugh Baltimore
Tony Sparono Miami
Eric Magnini Cleveland (wasn't terrible by any means in NY)
Brad Childress Minnesota
Lovie Smith Chicago
Mike McCartney Green Bay
Gary Kubiak Houston (.500 football team now)
Jack Del Rio (was damn good before this season)
John Fox Carolina
Marvin Lewis (team was great until Palmer went down, turned them around)
Mike Tomlin Pittsburgh

Now while there have some obvious busts like Crennel and Nolan, the majority of new coaches recently have done quite well.

And this year either Mike Tomlin, Ken Wisenhut, Jim Harbaugh, or Andy Reid (who also was a fresh hire as a coordinator) will be the Super Bowl winning coach.

Not that we are going after a big name coach, but I see why are going after someone with fresh ideas who hasn't been a coach before.

lex
01-11-2009, 07:10 PM
I havent seen many clamoring for Bill Cowher lately.

bronco0608
01-11-2009, 07:11 PM
I havent seen many clamoring for Bill Cowher lately.

Yes, I understand that. But some fans are quite upset with rumor that Bowlen only wants to pay 2 mill per for a new coach. They believe because of that, Bowlen is not going after the "best candidate."

frerottenextelway
01-11-2009, 07:12 PM
Tony Soprano Miami


:thumbs:

frerottenextelway
01-11-2009, 07:13 PM
Yes, I understand that. But some fans are quite upset with rumor that Bowlen only wants to pay 2 mill per for a new coach. They believe because of that, Bowlen is not going after the "best candidate."

When the COO is doing 5 hour interviews, that kind of tells you that winning isn't the only consideration.

lex
01-11-2009, 07:13 PM
Yes, I understand that. But some fans are quite upset with rumor that Bowlen only wants to pay 2 mill per for a new coach. They believe because of that, Bowlen is not going after the "best candidate."

Well theyre holding Bowlen to his own words. He said he wanted a coach who is a 10 in all categories and who will help him win a SB. This doesnt go with: Wanted--NFL coach who will work for cheap. Must be willing to pass 70% of the time.

bronco0608
01-11-2009, 07:14 PM
:thumbs:

you know what i'm trying to say lol

bronco0608
01-11-2009, 07:15 PM
Well theyre holding Bowlen to his own words. He said he wanted a coach who is a 10 in all categories and who will help him win a SB. This doesnt go with: Wanted--NFL coach who will work for cheap. Must be willing to pass 70% of the time.

Have you ever heard of a coordinator getting 5 mill per for his first job? Never. Spending less money is just part and parcel of hiring a new, fresh coach.

They are going to come cheap, I don't see the big deal with it.

ZONA
01-11-2009, 07:19 PM
You only had to watch Pittsburgh today to realize that while coaching is very important, great players are more important. Most of those players Tomlin has on the team are the same guys who won the Superbowl a few years ago. He'll get credit but the players, in the end, are really who determines who wins and loses. Ultimately, I honestly believe the GM or who ever is in charge of making the choice on draft day and which FA's to sign or let go has more of an impact on a team then a HC.

bronco0608
01-11-2009, 07:24 PM
You only had to watch Pittsburgh today to realize that while coaching is very important, great players are more important. Most of those players Tomlin has on the team are the same guys who won the Superbowl a few years ago. He'll get credit but the players, in the end, are really who determines who wins and loses. Ultimately, I honestly believe the GM or who ever is in charge of making the choice on draft day and which FA's to sign or let go has more of an impact on a team then a HC.

Of course great players have a lot to do with it, but at the sametime you can have all the great players in the world and still not do diddly poo ala Dallas, Washington, Jets, and San Diego.

Coaching has a ton to do with it. And remember, Cowher's last season with the Steelers, he didn't even make the playoffs with them. Tomlin obviously brought in something fresh to make the team play for him and turn things around.

Drek
01-11-2009, 07:30 PM
When the COO is doing 5 hour interviews, that kind of tells you that winning isn't the only consideration.
How exactly?

Might want to attach a little logic and rationale with that vacuous statement.

Well theyre holding Bowlen to his own words. He said he wanted a coach who is a 10 in all categories and who will help him win a SB. This doesnt go with: Wanted--NFL coach who will work for cheap. Must be willing to pass 70% of the time.

The average NFL head coach makes between $2-$3M I believe (at least the article everyone is dragging this $2M number out of stated it) so I don't see why people think its "cheap" or why the Broncos should let every coaching option know they'll start the negotiations at an above average salary.

footstepsfrom#27
01-11-2009, 07:35 PM
The energy of youth and a willingness to change are in demand in a league where this is now a year round job with high stress, so I understand the push for youth. A 32 year old guy still concerns me.

As for Bowlen's choice being based on money...I think that's absurd. He's not goint to hand the keys to his billion dollar franchise to a guy just because he comes at the same price as a middlin' free agent lineman. I think he's smarter than that.

frerottenextelway
01-11-2009, 07:39 PM
How exactly?

Might want to attach a little logic and rationale with that vacuous statement.



Didn't think it needed spelled out. We sent our financial guy to have a 5 and 1/2 hour meeting with McDaniels. I very much doubt they were discussing X's and O's.