McBig12EggOnFace-ett MIA???

[lex]

OK, where is this guy? Feel free to check out some of his epic claims about the Big 12 and Oklahoma. How long will it take for him to show his face around here?

[SureShot]

Hey don't lump us other Big 12 fans in with him.

[Florida_Bronco]

Is he even a Big 12 fan or just a bandwagoner?

Oh and by the way, your SEC still sucks.

[lex]

Hey don't lump us other Big 12 fans in with him.

Fair enough but Heute ist der Tage der Abrechnung for OUBronco and McSkillet. I think theyve headed for the hills.

[Jens1893]

Fair enough but Heute ist der Tage der Abrechnung for OUBronco and McSkillet. I think theyve headed for the hills.

Sooner, OU etc. will be back ... Llama has been MIA before.

[SureShot]

Llama is in the process of pulling his best Keyser Soze impersonation.

[gunns]

He talks big about the Mavericks also, then when they tank he disappears. He then reappears to let everyone know why they're still the better team.

[cmhargrove]

Hey, I don't think I talked smack, but I did predict the Sooners to win.

They had their shots, and had two big mistakes at the goal line that cost them.

Florida played a hell of a game and deserved to win, but OU had their shot, fought hard, and could have won the game with two different play calls at the goal line.

Congrats to Florida, great season.

[shakenbake]

Whatever, the Florida didn't even play the best team from the Big XII

[oubronco]

Fair enough but Heute ist der Tage der Abrechnung for OUBronco and McSkillet. I think theyve headed for the hills.

I haven't headed for sh*t OU lost and so be it Florida made the plays and the sooners didn't life goes on. Would I have rather seen them win sure but it's not the end of the world. And sure they have lost 5 straight BCS games but at least they were playing in them

[theAPAOps5]

This is Drama Llama we are talking about. He makes tons of claims, spouts off, then when it doesn't happen disappears. Just search his Dallas Maverics BS from a few years ago. Don't expect him to show his face.

[Orange_Beard]

It the word's of the Great Steve Langford,
"who give a ****, who give a ****."

[GreatBronco16]

Whatever, the Florida didn't even play the best team from the Big XII

I wouldn't have mattered.

[BroncoBuff]

I wouldn't have mattered.
Seriously ... you think Florida dominanted? No way, that was a very, very close game. Oklahoma had chances in the first half and failed to score ... that game came down to two or three plays, most especially the 4th down decision to go and failure. Even the field goal would've been a big deal there.

If these same teams played 10 times, they'd each win five.

If Florida played Texas 10 times, theyd each win five.

[GreatBronco16]

Seriously ... you think Florida dominanted? No way, that was a very, very close game. Oklahoma had chances in the first half and failed to score ... that game came down to two or three plays, most especially the 4th down decision to go and failure. Even the field goal would've been a big deal there.

If these same teams played 10 times, they'd each win five.

If Florida played Texas 10 times, theyd each win five.

I'm not a Florida fan by any means, but Florida didn't play their best ball last night at all. Esp in the second quarter. But regardless, Florida was the team this year, esp down the stretch. It wouldn't have mattered who they played against in the title game, they would have won.

[Crushaholic]

Oklahoma/Bob Stoops lost a big game? I'm shocked...SHOCKED, I tell ya...

[lex]

Hey, I don't think I talked smack, but I did predict the Sooners to win.

They had their shots, and had two big mistakes at the goal line that cost them.

Florida played a hell of a game and deserved to win, but OU had their shot, fought hard, and could have won the game with two different play calls at the goal line.

Congrats to Florida, great season.

Are you kidding? Florida made plays at the goal line. The Int was a nice breakup by the DB. And also the run stuff was the Florida DLine bowing up. It was just Torrey Davis beating the guy in front of him. What mistakes?

[lex]

Whatever, the Florida didn't even play the best team from the Big XII

You wouldnt be referring to the team that struggled to score against Ohio State would you? I wonder if Texas would have even had 10 pts against Florida.

[lex]

Seriously ... you think Florida dominanted? No way, that was a very, very close game. Oklahoma had chances in the first half and failed to score ... that game came down to two or three plays, most especially the 4th down decision to go and failure. Even the field goal would've been a big deal there.

If these same teams played 10 times, they'd each win five.

If Florida played Texas 10 times, theyd each win five.

OU was denied scoring on those two drives. Thats two games in a row that Florida has defeated the #1 team in the country and in both games the other team had the advantage on the line of scrimmage. Yet both times Florida prevailed. First of all, they dont play 10 times and second of all, if they just beat two teams that had comparable relative advantages, theres no reason to think they wouldnt win again. Face it. Florida is/was better.

[WolfpackGuy]

I hate watching that gimmick crap Florida runs.

[NaptownChief]

I didn't expect anything different out of Big Game Bob Stoops.

[lex]

I hate watching that gimmick crap Florida runs.

Im actually not a big fan of it either but it works for the most part.

[socalorado]

Florida deserves to be crowned champion.
Tebow is the man. (even if you dont like him personally)
Tebow should have won the Heisman, and its obvious.
Valiant effort be Stoops and his boys, but it wasnt to be.
That being said, i think that UTAH, USC and TEX can make a claim to the National Title, and i really think these teams should be playing each other next week.
TEX @ FLA
USC @ UTAH
Winners play for the whole enchillada!
Oh well! CONGRATS TO FLA!!! (AND LEX!!!)

[NaptownChief]

I hate watching that gimmick crap Florida runs.


I love watching anything that is creative and works. I also love old school smash mouth football as well if coaches have the ability to make it work. What I hate are coaches who are set in their ways trying the same thing over and over again even if they aren't successful in doing it.

[ScottXray]

I love watching anything that is creative and works. I also love old school smash mouth football as well if coaches have the ability to make it work. What I hate are coaches who are set in their ways trying the same thing over and over again even if they aren't successful in doing it.

Bubble screen come to mind?

[socalorado]

On a side note, i hear alot of "Tim Tebow sucks"
or "he will never make it in the NFL" stuff.
I think Tebow is different from alot of other college players that were heralded as the next big thing, because he has not only great athleticism, but he is also a very, very smart guy who also seems to be very well grounded and very humble.
I can see this kid going above and beyond to learn every aspect of the pro game weather it be at QB or TE, and correcting every mistake and re-learning every single step that will make him a solid pro.
I have no doubt that Tim Tebow is gonna make every team that passes him pay for their mistake.


Now watch, he will be arrested in a Miami motel later today with a "8-ball" and 2 hookers!!!!!!!!!!

[WolfpackGuy]

Problem is it'll never work in the NFL more than twice a season because everyone is fast AND BIG in the NFL.
Those Urban Meyer offensive skill guys really have chit on lock at the next level...

[NaptownChief]

Bubble screen come to mind?


Sure does. Joe Tiller held out hope of that working til the bitter end at Purdue.

[NaptownChief]

On a side note, i hear alot of "Tim Tebow sucks"
or "he will never make it in the NFL" stuff.
I think Tebow is different from alot of other college players that were heralded as the next big thing, because he has not only great athleticism, but he is also a very, very smart guy who also seems to be very well grounded and very humble.
I can see this kid going above and beyond to learn every aspect of the pro game weather it be at QB or TE, and correcting every mistake and re-learning every single step that will make him a solid pro.
I have no doubt that Tim Tebow is gonna make every team that passes him pay for their mistake.


Now watch, he will be arrested in a Miami motel later today with a "8-ball" and 2 hookers!!!!!!!!!!


I would agree. He is a leader, smart and with a great work ethic. That is 90% of the QB position at the NFL level. If I needed a QB and was picking late 1st round to early 2nd I would certainly love to gamble on him at the NFL level.

[lex]

Florida deserves to be crowned champion.
Tebow is the man. (even if you dont like him personally)
Tebow should have won the Heisman, and its obvious.
Valiant effort be Stoops and his boys, but it wasnt to be.
That being said, i think that UTAH, USC and TEX can make a claim to the National Title, and i really think these teams should be playing each other next week.
TEX @ FLA
USC @ UTAH
Winners play for the whole enchillada!
Oh well! CONGRATS TO FLA!!! (AND LEX!!!)


Thats great and all but Florida has already defeated #1 Alabama (with Andre Smith while missing Harvin) and #1 Oklahoma. Florida has earned it already. They held "the best offense in history" to 14 points while USC's alleged "greatest defense ever" gave up 24 to Penn State. Plus, who has USC played the past two games in comparison to what Florida has played? And Texas struggled vs Ohio State. Need I drill into what SEC teams have done to better Ohio State teams?

BTW, thanks for the congrats. I appreciate it.

[socalorado]

Thats great and all but Florida has already defeated #1 Alabama (with Andre Smith while missing Harvin) and #1 Oklahoma. Florida has earned it already. They held "the best offense in history" to 14 points while USC's alleged "greatest defense ever" gave up 24 to Penn State. Plus, who has USC played the past two games in comparison to what Florida has played? And Texas struggled vs Ohio State. Need I drill into what SEC teams have done to better Ohio State teams?

BTW, thanks for the congrats. I appreciate it.

Dude it doesnt matter who played who or who allowed who to score points. The USC game was OVER at halftime! OVER. They played "dont get injured" defense for the rest of the game.
UTAH has beaten 5!!! teams ranked in the top 25. Thats absurd to not let them play for the title.
Its absurd to not let them all play in a little 4 team playoff.
If USC or Utah won i would say the same thing. There should be a playoff system period.
Utah really got screwed and its just wrong.
But i also recognize FLA as the National Champs and they deserve their title !
Congrats!

[Kid A]

I hate watching that gimmick crap Florida runs.

I personally loved the way they run the option, with the shovel pass choice. It's a great twist that is a beast to defend. Say what you will about Tebow's true ability, they have built an offense that works perfectly around him.

Speaking of gimmicks, OU's hurry-up, while undeniably effective all year, may have bit them in the ass last night.

This writer approaches it from a Nebraska spin, but his point about OU's offense is valid one:

"Yes, OU’s second-quarter implosion Thursday night should convince you that the best way to win the biggest games against the best defenses is a standard, balanced attack with a huddle. The offense USC runs. The offense Nebraska runs. The offense LSU runs. The offense the best Miami teams used to run. Multiple. Deliberate. Not resembling a fire drill.

With the game tied at 7, the Sooners wasted two prime touchdown opportunities on little more than their own arrogance that the speed with which a play is run is sole determinant of its success. With the best offensive line in the nation, they refused to impose their will, instead choosing to play Jack-In-The-Box with the Gators. Will OU snap it? Won’t they? How many times will Sam Bradford change the play before he settles into –POP GO THE SOONERS!

It was absurd, wasn’t it, watching OU run two consecutive plays from inside UF’s 2-yard line as if offensive coordinator Kevin Wilson had a gun to his head? What is this? Double dutch, or football? Instead of allowing his Heisman Trophy quarterback, Sam Bradford, the chance to gather his team, calm it down and run a simple dive like, oh, most sentient football teams do, here were the Sooners in a proverbial scrum, playing rugby, dialing up a fast version of a Bill Callahan first-down special – stretch play, with all the trimmings.

Even Callahan knew better by his third and fourth year.

Never mind that Chris Brown probably got a weak spot on the third down play, or that Brown, if he hadn’t been in such a hurry to get up and scramble back to his position, probably gave up a half-yard because he failed to stay in place for the correct spot. Never mind that OU’s tight end clearly didn’t know his assignment on the following fourth down, allowing a Gator to waltz into the backfield and stuff Brown for a hefty loss.

Never mind that Oklahoma didn’t learn its lesson. The two-minute drill at the end of the first half was a disaster, as OU routinely took short gains in the middle of the field instead running sideline patterns – like sentient football teams - because, as pea-brained Fox analyst Charles Davis gushed, the Sooners were already so used to running no huddle. Yeah – fat lot a good it did them. Oklahoma toddled down the field, blowing its timeouts, leaving only one shot at the end zone. Bradford inexplicably chose to throw a slant pass short of the end zone, which glanced off his receiver’s shoulder pad and was intercepted by the Gators.

OU’s final offensive play of the game was a sweetheart, too. On fourth down, trailing by ten, Bradford was again abandoned on the field to run without a huddle, which, again, left him selecting a receiver short of the first down marker well before he had to throw. The pass was knocked down, and OU coaches’ screams for pass interference – a call they typically got in the flag-happy Big 12 – were ignored.

That’s the nutty Big 12, where offenses expected, by divine right or something, to be handed touchdowns, and defenses bizarrely complied."

http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2009/01/09/4966ee64e988f

Yeah, it is hard to argue the numbers that offense put up, and if a couple things had gone the other way we might not even be debating it, but you have to wonder...does that kind of offense really work against good defenses?

[lex]

Dude it doesnt matter who played who or who allowed who to score points. The USC game was OVER at halftime! OVER. They played "dont get injured" defense for the rest of the game.
UTAH has beaten 5!!! teams ranked in the top 25. Thats absurd to not let them play for the title.
Its absurd to not let them all play in a little 4 team playoff.
If USC or Utah won i would say the same thing. There should be a playoff system period.
Utah really got screwed and its just wrong.
But i also recognize FLA as the National Champs and they deserve their title !
Congrats!

Actually the USC game became kind of interesting in the second half. But either way, I dont think youll convince too many people that Penn State was of the caliber of Alabama or Oklahoma. And if scoring points doesnt matter, then dont tell be about USCs points against average. I agree that there should be a playoff system but not some and three as you were suggesting.

[BroncoBuff]

Lex you're really off base ... those two teams are very very evenly matched, and Texas is right there with them. USC and Alabama too. Florida is the better team this year no doubt, beating Alabama and OU back to back is very impressive and they're champs because of it. But if these five teams played round-robin, you'd have five teams with 2-2 records (actually my money would be on USC).

I agree with Kid that the Sooners got way too cutesy with the play calling, especially in short yardage. You don't need an X's and O's mastermind to bash out two yards with that O-line. But I don't agree with the Husker blogger that the hurry-up/audible offense was the problem. I did however think Bradford seemed a tad wide-eyed, almost frantic at times, while Tebow looked like he'd been there before.

[Irish Stout]

Mountain West Baby!!!! UTEs are better than any of your SEC Big 12 teams. You can't prove otherwise, only know that they were undefeated and neither team last night has that claim. Eat my taco!

[lex]

Lex you're really off base ... those two teams are very very evenly matched, and Texas is right there with them. USC and Alabama too. Florida is the better team this year no doubt, beating Alabama and OU back to back is very impressive and they're champs because of it. But if these five teams played round-robin, you'd have five teams with 2-2 records (actually my money would be on USC).

I agree with Kid that the Sooners got way too cutesy with the play calling, especially in short yardage. You don't need an X's and O's mastermind to bash out two yards with that O-line. But I don't agree with the Husker blogger that the hurry-up/audible offense was the problem. I did however think Bradford seemed a tad wide-eyed, almost frantic at times, while Tebow looked like he'd been there before.

Im not off base. Again, Florida just beat both Oklahoma AND Alabama. They didnt split with them. They didnt go .500 against them which was what you were projecting. If theyre SO evenly matched as youre saying, there would have been a split--but, of course, there wasnt.

[lex]

Mountain West Baby!!!! UTEs are better than any of your SEC Big 12 teams. You can't prove otherwise, only know that they were undefeated and neither team last night has that claim. Eat my taco!

And the Utes can polish their imaginary national championship trophies.

[Irish Stout]

And the Utes can polish their imaginary national championship trophies.

Although the trophies are real, its still the BCS... all national championships are imaginary.

[BroncoBuff]

Florida just beat both Oklahoma AND Alabama. They didnt split with them. They didnt go .500 against them which was what you were projecting.No, I was projecting that in a round-robin of the 5 top teams, all 5 would finish at 2-2. Which I suppose means I think Texas and USC would beat Florida. Which is entirely possible.

The point is Florida is champs, and they beat Alabama and Oklahoma. I'm not trying to take away from that, but your point that Florida was dominant or even clearly superior is wrong.


Thom Brenneman is a dork, but he said one thing that makes perfect sense: The SEC defenses - when give a month to prepare - do very well against top teams. Last night, Florida over Ohio State before, and Ole Miss over Texas Tech.

[lex]

Although the trophies are real, its still the BCS... all national championships are imaginary.

...and like I said, the Utes have their imaginary NC but nothing to show for it.

[theAPAOps5]

HA this is funny. Drama Llama won't show his face here, just like the Mavericks thread. But he sure will send me a PM telling me to stop being a big meanie.

[Inkana7]

Anyone who doesn't think Florida is far and away the best team in the country is delusional.

Although Utah does have a claim. We really don't know how good they can be. They beat down Bama pretty bad.

[theAPAOps5]

Anyone who doesn't think Florida is far and away the best team in the country is delusional.

Although Utah does have a claim. We really don't know how good they can be. They beat down Bama pretty bad.

For the first time ever I think a non-BCS team has a valid argument. Utah looked great.

[epicSocialism4tw]

HA this is funny. Drama Llama won't show his face here, just like the Mavericks thread. But he sure will send me a PM telling me to stop being a big meanie.


No, I sent you a PM telling you to grow up.

Not because of a silly thread like this, which you no doubt will barge into and flounder and flop around.

You sent me several harrassing messages before this thread came up.

I'm not sure why you follow me around from thread to thread like a bothersome dingleberry.

[theAPAOps5]

No, I sent you a PM telling you to grow up.

Not because of a silly thread like this, which you no doubt will barge into and flounder and flop around.

You sent me several harrassing messages before this thread came up.

I'm not sure why you follow me around from thread to thread like a bothersome dingleberry.

I just responded in king to your neg rep. If you don't want a reaction don't fish for one. Or like I said in your stop being a meanie PM use the ignore feature. If you make ridiculous statements, you will be called on them when you are wrong. Its not rocket science.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I just responded in king to your neg rep. If you don't want a reaction don't fish for one. Or like I said in your stop being a meanie PM use the ignore feature. If you make ridiculous statements, you will be called on them when you are wrong. Its not rocket science.

I think that 5 harrassing messages in a row is borderline obsession, wierdo.

[theAPAOps5]

I think that 5 harrassing messages in a row is borderline obsession, wierdo.

LOL, weirdo. That was funny. Here is the deal, I won't point out your Mavericks episode anymore. In fact I won't tease you anymore at all. If it really bothers you than I respect that.

[DenverBrit]

It was a choppy game of two halves........OU was the better 1st half team and FL the second.

Bottom line: FL made the plays they needed to and OU didn't.
OU's redzone failures in the 1st half were decisive.
They are normally an excellent red zone team, but FL's defense came to play too and outplayed OU when it mattered.

No excuses, FL was the better team on the day.

[AbileneBroncoFan]

Who was the best team in college football this year? I'm a native Texan and I would love to say Texas. However, Utah has a better claim than any. Florida played Bama (who has been overrated all year) on a neutral field and had to come from behind in the 4th to win. Utah had the game in hand after the 1st quarter when they played the same Bama team on a neutral field. It was much more lopsided than the score indicated. Texas has just as good of a claim as Florida. Both beat Oklahoma on a neutral field by 10. Texas had a much higher quality loss, on the road to a top 15 team on the final play of the game. Florida lost at home to a 4 loss team. Florida did NOTHING this year that Texas didn't do. I'm also positive that no team would be guaranteed a win against USC. If you think for one second that Harvin could average 20 yards a carry against that defense you need to quit joking yourself. The fact of the matter is, we have NO IDEA who the best team in the nation is (well, we do know it's not Oklahoma, but then again, we've been saying that down here in Texas since Oct. 11th, as well as NEVER count on OU to show up for a BCS bowl game). If I had to rank the teams in terms of who had the best season (which is how the championship is determined in this system), I would go with 1. Utah 2. Texas 3. USC 4. Florida. But if we are all realistic, we will say you could flip that around and be just as valid. Until there is a system where these teams actually get an opportunity to play each other for the title, we will never know who is the best.

Also, let's jump off of Florida and Tebow's jock. As I'm typing this I'm listening to ESPNEWS talking about how this could be the greatest team of all time and how Tebow is the greatest player ever. 05 Texas, 01 Miami, 04 and 05 USC would all beat any team in the nation this year by at least 2 scores. And Vince Young was a lot better than Tebow as a college player. I have yet to hear what Tebow can do better than VY. He is an outstanding player and an even better person, no doubt, but trust me, he's no Vince. If I had to pick the greatest college football player ever, I'd go with Barry Sanders. Nobody has come close to having a season in the same neighborhood he had in his Heisman season. And he wasn't exactly on what we would call a dominant team. But, as everyone says, he didn't play in the SEC, so I'm sure people will tell me Darren McFadden is better. That's another thing. Who cares which conference is better? In 1997, the NFC was a better conference than the AFC. I think I speak for everyone here when I say I don't care and it doesn't matter. We were the best team.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Who was the best team in college football this year? I'm a native Texan and I would love to say Texas. However, Utah has a better claim than any. Florida played Bama (who has been overrated all year) on a neutral field and had to come from behind in the 4th to win. Utah had the game in hand after the 1st quarter when they played the same Bama team on a neutral field. It was much more lopsided than the score indicated. Texas has just as good of a claim as Florida. Both beat Oklahoma on a neutral field by 10. Texas had a much higher quality loss, on the road to a top 15 team on the final play of the game. Florida lost at home to a 4 loss team. Florida did NOTHING this year that Texas didn't do. I'm also positive that no team would be guaranteed a win against USC. If you think for one second that Harvin could average 20 yards a carry against that defense you need to quit joking yourself. The fact of the matter is, we have NO IDEA who the best team in the nation is (well, we do know it's not Oklahoma, but then again, we've been saying that down here in Texas since Oct. 11th, as well as NEVER count on OU to show up for a BCS bowl game). If I had to rank the teams in terms of who had the best season (which is how the championship is determined in this system), I would go with 1. Utah 2. Texas 3. USC 4. Florida. But if we are all realistic, we will say you could flip that around and be just as valid. Until there is a system where these teams actually get an opportunity to play each other for the title, we will never know who is the best.

Also, let's jump off of Florida and Tebow's jock. As I'm typing this I'm listening to ESPNEWS talking about how this could be the greatest team of all time and how Tebow is the greatest player ever. 05 Texas, 01 Miami, 04 and 05 USC would all beat any team in the nation this year by at least 2 scores. And Vince Young was a lot better than Tebow as a college player. I have yet to hear what Tebow can do better than VY. He is an outstanding player and an even better person, no doubt, but trust me, he's no Vince. If I had to pick the greatest college football player ever, I'd go with Barry Sanders. Nobody has come close to having a season in the same neighborhood he had in his Heisman season. And he wasn't exactly on what we would call a dominant team. But, as everyone says, he didn't play in the SEC, so I'm sure people will tell me Darren McFadden is better. That's another thing. Who cares which conference is better? In 1997, the NFC was a better conference than the AFC. I think I speak for everyone here when I say I don't care and it doesn't matter. We were the best team.

I saw quite a bit of that VY-led Texas team, and they were unbelievably clutch.

Pains me as an OU guy, but I'd have to say that they are the best Ive seen...with Vince Young being the best college football player Ive ever seen hands down. The dude was unstoppable. A close second would be the USC team that waxed the Sooners in the natl. champ game.

[AbileneBroncoFan]

I saw quite a bit of that VY-led Texas team, and they were unbelievably clutch.

Pains me as an OU guy, but I'd have to say that they are the best Ive seen...with Vince Young being the best college football player Ive ever seen hands down. The dude was unstoppable. A close second would be the USC team that waxed the Sooners in the natl. champ game.

I'm only 18, but I would say that Vince is easily the best college player I've ever seen. He completely changed the attitude of the program (and taught Colt McCoy how to be a good clutch leader at QB). I think that the 05 Texas team is the best team of my lifetime, but 04 USC has a claim. 01 Miami probably had more talent than any team ever, but if they played 05 Texas I think VY would make more plays than Ken Dorsey. 05 USC would have a legit claim at #1 if they had picked up another 1/2 yard on 4th and 2. That was without a doubt the best football game I've ever seen.

I was shocked at the 55-19 game. I didn't see that coming in my wildest dreams. That USC team is in the top 5, without a doubt.

[lex]

I'm only 18, but I would say that Vince is easily the best college player I've ever seen. He completely changed the attitude of the program (and taught Colt McCoy how to be a good clutch leader at QB). I think that the 05 Texas team is the best team of my lifetime, but 04 USC has a claim. 01 Miami probably had more talent than any team ever, but if they played 05 Texas I think VY would make more plays than Ken Dorsey. 05 USC would have a legit claim at #1 if they had picked up another 1/2 yard on 4th and 2. That was without a doubt the best football game I've ever seen.

I was shocked at the 55-19 game. I didn't see that coming in my wildest dreams. That USC team is in the top 5, without a doubt.

2,628

[AbileneBroncoFan]

2,628

2,628?

[DBroncos4life]

I'm only 18, but I would say that Vince is easily the best college player I've ever seen. He completely changed the attitude of the program (and taught Colt McCoy how to be a good clutch leader at QB). I think that the 05 Texas team is the best team of my lifetime, but 04 USC has a claim. 01 Miami probably had more talent than any team ever, but if they played 05 Texas I think VY would make more plays than Ken Dorsey. 05 USC would have a legit claim at #1 if they had picked up another 1/2 yard on 4th and 2. That was without a doubt the best football game I've ever seen.

I was shocked at the 55-19 game. I didn't see that coming in my wildest dreams. That USC team is in the top 5, without a doubt.

Tommy Fraizer was a better qb then Vince Young

[lex]

2,628?

Thats the number of yards Barry Sanders had in 11 games. If you think VY was the best college player you have ever seen, then you must be under 25. I basically remember VY having one great season and in the previous season being shutout by OU in the red river shoot out. The greatest QB of all time allowing his team to be shut out in a high stakes game? No. If youre old enough to have seen Barry Sanders play, you'd know what Im talking about. Barry Sanders played in a running conference (the Big 12 had OU and Nebraska running the option) and so the other defenses were definitely focused on stopping the run. Also, OK State was middle of the road talent but nothing great. And in spite of this, Sanders ran on EVERYONE in the conference.

[AbileneBroncoFan]

Tommy Fraizer was a better qb then Vince Young

I never saw him live, but from what I can tell from film and statistics, he's not as good. Vince was bigger and stronger. And a superior passer. Frazier did not even have a career 50% completion rate. Vince's 30/40 for 267 yards and 19 carries for 200 yards and 3 TDs against an incredibly good USC team for the national title says it all. Although in terms of pure athletic dominance, he had a better game against Michigan the year before. I've never seen a runner run through a defense like that. Frazier might could have, but he would never have gotten close to having a 3000 yard passing season. If VY had come back for his senior season, Texas probably would have been better in 06. They would've been in great shape for another 14-0 national title season. He would've finished 44-2 as a starter and ended his career on a 34 game winning streak. Regardless, Vince was the comeback kid. Be it against USC in the 4th quarter, Michigan in the 4th, down 22-16 at Ohio State, 4th and 18 at Kansas, down 35-7 against Oklahoma State, etc, no deficit and no situation was too large. If I had one game to win at the collegiate level, there is no one I would rather have under center.

[Inkana7]

That USC defense wasn't any good. Fresno State put up 49 on them that year. Does that make Paul Pinegar the greatest QB in College football history?

[AbileneBroncoFan]

That USC defense wasn't any good. Fresno State put up 49 on them that year. Does that make Paul Pinegar the greatest QB in College football history?

Yeah, USC had the worst defense in college football that year. I'm sure Tommy Frazier would've gone 49/50 for 800 yards and 8 TDs with 10 carries for 400 yards and 5 TD's.

All kidding aside, USC ALWAYS has talent on both sides of the ball. And Pete Carroll always has a good defensive gameplan going into bowl games. Vince remains the only QB to beat USC in a BCS bowl game under Carroll. In fact, that Texas team is the only one that has stayed within 14 of USC. I'll take the same approach I take in the McCoy-Tebow argument: What could Frazier do that Vince could not?

[lex]

That USC defense wasn't any good. Fresno State put up 49 on them that year. Does that make Paul Pinegar the greatest QB in College football history?


Yeah, this is true. The USC defense wasnt the greatest that year. And werent the Ting brothers in trouble for roids? BTW, Ive heard that Cushing is a user.

[AbileneBroncoFan]

Yeah, this is true. The USC defense wasnt the greatest that year. And werent the Ting brothers in trouble for roids? BTW, Ive heard that Cushing is a user.

Don't kid yourself, they were still probably better than 95% of the defenses in the country that year. But they certainly weren't as good as this year's. And even though I hate steroids and users, who cares? Shawne Merriman is a proven user, but no one cares. The media and Charger fans think he's pretty much the best linebacker since Lawrence Taylor. :kiddingme

[Inkana7]

Don't kid yourself, they were still probably better than 95% of the defenses in the country that year. But they certainly weren't as good as this year's. And even though I hate steroids and users, who cares? Shawne Merriman is a proven user, but no one cares. The media and Charger fans think he's pretty much the best linebacker since Lawrence Taylor. :kiddingme

If I remember correctly they were ranked like 39th in the country.

So, you're wrong.

[AbileneBroncoFan]

If I remember correctly they were ranked like 39th in the country.

So, you're wrong.

Oklahoma had the #1 ranked offense in the country this year. Does that make them the best? Also, in 05 in points allowed per game, Iowa State, TCU, UCONN, Middle Tennessee State, and Texas Tech were some of the defenses ranked ahead of USC. I'm sure Middle Tennessee State would've done a better job against Texas than the USC d.

And 2,628 yards for Barry. I knew it was some obscene number. 37 TDs ain't bad either. I doubt very seriously we will see those kind of numbers again. That was in 10 games as well. Nowadays the conference champion teams can play 14 games, and nobody has come close. Wow. Translating those averages to a 14 game schedule would look like 3,769 yards and 52 touchdowns. Good lord. zowie!

[SoCalBronco]

Sure does. Joe Tiller held out hope of that working til the bitter end at Purdue.

Joe Tiller was one of the men who brought the bubble screen to major college football back in the mid to late 90s. Everyone runs it now, including in the pro game. Just 10-12 years ago, there were very few teams running bubble screens consistently.

Actually, just three. Tiller at Purdue, Mumme at Kentucky and Gary Crowton at Louisiana Tech before he took it to BYU.

[SoCalBronco]

01 Miami probably had more talent than any team ever, but if they played 05 Texas I think VY would make more plays than Ken Dorsey. .

And 05 Texas would still lose despite VY making more plays than Ken Dorsey.

[lex]

Don't kid yourself, they were still probably better than 95% of the defenses in the country that year. But they certainly weren't as good as this year's. And even though I hate steroids and users, who cares? Shawne Merriman is a proven user, but no one cares. The media and Charger fans think he's pretty much the best linebacker since Lawrence Taylor. :kiddingme

If you have to believe that to hype VY and that Texas team, feel free.

[SureShot]

Thats the number of yards Barry Sanders had in 11 games. If you think VY was the best college player you have ever seen, then you must be under 25. I basically remember VY having one great season and in the previous season being shutout by OU in the red river shoot out. The greatest QB of all time allowing his team to be shut out in a high stakes game? No. If youre old enough to have seen Barry Sanders play, you'd know what Im talking about. Barry Sanders played in a running conference (the Big 12 had OU and Nebraska running the option) and so the other defenses were definitely focused on stopping the run. Also, OK State was middle of the road talent but nothing great. And in spite of this, Sanders ran on EVERYONE in the conference.

In 1988 I was only13 years old but I still knew I was watching greatness and after watching Sanders destroy my Buffs I just knew OSU would go undefeated. He was truly amazing!

[DBBBSBS]

I never saw him live, but from what I can tell from film and statistics, he's not as good. Vince was bigger and stronger. And a superior passer. Frazier did not even have a career 50% completion rate. Vince's 30/40 for 267 yards and 19 carries for 200 yards and 3 TDs against an incredibly good USC team for the national title says it all. Although in terms of pure athletic dominance, he had a better game against Michigan the year before. I've never seen a runner run through a defense like that. Frazier might could have, but he would never have gotten close to having a 3000 yard passing season. If VY had come back for his senior season, Texas probably would have been better in 06. They would've been in great shape for another 14-0 national title season. He would've finished 44-2 as a starter and ended his career on a 34 game winning streak. Regardless, Vince was the comeback kid. Be it against USC in the 4th quarter, Michigan in the 4th, down 22-16 at Ohio State, 4th and 18 at Kansas, down 35-7 against Oklahoma State, etc, no deficit and no situation was too large. If I had one game to win at the collegiate level, there is no one I would rather have under center.

You lost me with that statement, anything you said after that doesn't matter and shows how little of NFL/NCAA you have watched. Nice seeing your posts, have a great time

[Northman]

He talks big about the Mavericks also, then when they tank he disappears. He then reappears to let everyone know why they're still the better team.

Yea, sounds like Llama. :rofl:

[Northman]

Thats great and all but Florida has already defeated #1 Alabama (with Andre Smith while missing Harvin) and #1 Oklahoma. Florida has earned it already. They held "the best offense in history" to 14 points while USC's alleged "greatest defense ever" gave up 24 to Penn State. Plus, who has USC played the past two games in comparison to what Florida has played? And Texas struggled vs Ohio State. Need I drill into what SEC teams have done to better Ohio State teams?

BTW, thanks for the congrats. I appreciate it.


I picked Florida to win the other night but i agree with SoColorado. I would love to see a playoff anyway. It will never happen but i highly doubt that Florida would be scared of a playoff system anyway. If your good, your good no matter who you play.

[AbileneBroncoFan]

You lost me with that statement, anything you said after that doesn't matter and shows how little of NFL/NCAA you have watched. Nice seeing your posts, have a great time

How is a 6'5" 230 pound quarterback not bigger than a 6'2" 200 pound quarterback? And I already stated earlier that I was only 5 years old when Frazier was at Nebraska, so I don't remember seeing him live, so I am likely biased. I am going by what I've seen on highlights and from statistics. The statistics say Frazier's career completion percentage was below 50%. I would not call that the mark of a very good passer. And I never said VY was a good NFL QB. He obviously is not. But this is about college football, and I saw him do things at Texas that I have not seen anyone else do. And if Frazier was so much better, why is Young ahead of him on every list of top players of all time that I have looked at? Of course this is beating a dead horse, as we all already have in our mind who was better, and no amount of statistics or examples will change them (and I am likely in the minority on this board, as it likely consists of Colorado and Nebraska fans due to the location of the majority of the Broncos fan base; in fact, I'll bet an arm and a leg that I can find people here who will say that Kordell Stewart was better than Frazier and Young).

And to whoever said that the 01 Miami team would beat 05 Texas has a valid point, but I respectfully disagree (again, something we all already have our minds made up on on who would win). Miami clearly had better running backs, but Texas had an outstanding offensive line that had a ton of experience and would be able to hold its own against the Canes D. And the 05 Texas secondary is one of the most talented ever. Huff is a bust in the NFL (he's not big enough to be a safety imo) but he was a hoss in college. Michael Griffin was just as good. Aaron Ross, another thorpe award winner who won a Super Bowl and starts for one of the best teams in the NFL, was the nickel back. Cedric Griffin was big and physical. Tarrell Brown was solid. That's where the game would be won and lost. The Miami passing game vs. the Texas secondary. That would be a matchup for the ages, probably coming down to whoever had the ball last. I can't believe Miami fell off the map recently, but with the young talent they have it looks like they'll be making serious noise again sooner rather than later.

[DaFace]

It had nothing to do with Florida's play or Oklahoma's ineptitude. God had simply decided that he needed to protect his favorite child Tebow and reward him by letting him win the game.

At least that's the impression I got from the announcers.

[lex]

I picked Florida to win the other night but i agree with SoColorado. I would love to see a playoff anyway. It will never happen but i highly doubt that Florida would be scared of a playoff system anyway. If your good, your good no matter who you play.

I agree that there should be a playoff but his improvised one based on the outcome of the bowls was rubbish. Theres no way its fair that Florida, who was ranked #2, should have to play Oklahoma, #1, following beating #1 Alabama, while the others had an easier road. If there were going to be 4 teams, OU would have to be involved as well. If they were going to do a playoff, it should be 8 teams with the top 4 getting home field advantage for the first round.

[lex]

It had nothing to do with Florida's play or Oklahoma's ineptitude. God had simply decided that he needed to protect his favorite child Tebow and reward him by letting him win the game.

At least that's the impression I got from the announcers.

I agree but its because Fox carried the game and they just throw together announcers. Thom Brennaman hasnt done college all year and he suddenly has to fill air time with information about Tebow. When you havent seen THAT much football, its easier to talk about the mother theresa stuff. This really became clear to me when, at one point, Davis asked Brennaman (though it was probably rhetorical) "how many times does Tebow get criticized for __________?"...and there was an awkward silence. Brennaman was totally on the spot and had no answer so Davis just answered it for him. Verne Lundquist could have answered that kind of question without batting an eye but he has done a lot of SEC games this year. You also had virtually no transitions to commercials...a guy would be on the ground injured and theyd just flash to a commercial with no transition, like "well be back" or whatever. It was just really shoddy...but thats another topic.