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wolf754life
01-08-2009, 12:13 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11403273

They are the Seven who would replace Shanahan.

Once Todd Bowles of the Miami Dolphins has his say today, the Broncos' search committee to replace coach Mike Shanahan will end its parade of candidates at seven.

If it's possible, Bob Stoops can coach the Bowl Championship Series title game tonight in peace. The Oklahoma coach was telling the truth this week when he said he's not a candidate for the Broncos' head coaching position. An NFL source with knowledge of the Broncos' search confirmed Wednesday night Stoops is not under consideration.

The Broncos' next head coach will come from one of the seven identified candidates, according to the source. The six who have been interviewed, in order of appearance before the Broncos Search for Coach
search committee, were New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, New England offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, Tampa Bay defensive coordinator Raheem Morris, Broncos offensive coordinator Rick Dennison, Dallas offensive coordinator Jason Garrett and Minnesota defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier, who was at the team's Dove Valley headquarters Wednesday.

Bowles, the secondary/assistant head coach of the Dolphins, will conclude the interview process today.

The Broncos' new head coach will be encouraged to keep six assistant coaches left over from Shanahan's staff. According to two NFL sources, the Broncos have sent termination notices to the league office for all assistants except Dennison, Jeremy Bates (quarterbacks), Jedd Fisch (receivers), Bobby Turner (running backs), Bill Johnson (defensive line) and Rich Tuten (strength and conditioning).

The Broncos will honor the contracts of the other assistant coaches — which run through at least 2009 — but their future with the organization is at the discretion of the team's next head coach.

The committee searching for that head coach consists of Broncos owner Pat Bowlen, chief operating officer Joe Ellis and the football operations executive trio

Who should the Broncos hire as the next coach?

of Jim Goodman, Brian Xanders and Jeff Goodman.

The feeling among the committee as it adjourned Wednesday night was that four or five of the candidates will be an NFL head coach someday. The question is, which one does Bowlen pick to coach his team?

The search committee will spend the next two or three days thoroughly discussing each candidate. By Monday, the committee will bring back one to three finalists for a second interview or present an offer to the top choice.

Ellis, the Goodmans and Xanders will submit their choice, or choices, to Bowlen. The owner will then make his first head coaching hire since Jan. 31, 1995, when he lured Shanahan away from his job as offensive coordinator of the San Francisco 49ers.

Taco John
01-08-2009, 12:18 AM
Of these choices, I would feel most comfortable with Frazier or Spagnulo.

Popps
01-08-2009, 12:19 AM
****.... Johnson?

Paging Mediator....

orange crusher
01-08-2009, 12:21 AM
I'd have to question keeping Tuten with all of hamstring and groin injuries this team has. I'm not sure what they see in Johnson unless it's his contract, but it doesn't seem like the D-Linemen have progressed much under his shift.

Taco John
01-08-2009, 12:28 AM
I'm not sure what the point of firing Shanahan, but keeping all of his staff is. That seems to signal that this was personal between the two men, and not really about turning over the organization. In any case, I'm glad to see that Bobby Turner is returning.

Kid A
01-08-2009, 12:32 AM
I have a hard time believing all those guys would be retained. If McDaniels comes in, he doesn't pick the majority of the offensive staff? If Spags comes in, he doesn't pick his own d-line coach? I'll believe it when I see it.

tsiguy96
01-08-2009, 12:34 AM
wow johnson and tuten...tahts very unexpected.

tsiguy96
01-08-2009, 12:34 AM
I have a hard time believing all those guys would be retained. If McDaniels comes in, he doesn't pick the majority of the offensive staff? If Spags comes in, he doesn't pick his own d-line coach? I'll believe it when I see it.

i have a hard time believing any coordinator in the NFL would get rid of turner.

wolf754life
01-08-2009, 12:35 AM
The new coach can can any of the guys that are still there.

JCMElway
01-08-2009, 12:36 AM
My preference list:

1. Spags
2. Morris
3. McDaniels
4. Frazer
5. Garret
6. Dennison
7. Bowles

THe ones in italics I would feel very comfortable with. I wonder if McDaniels would consider coming here knowing the Bates will be thrust upon him.

Kid A
01-08-2009, 12:36 AM
i have a hard time believing any coordinator in the NFL would get rid of turner.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see some of those guys stay (Turner, Bates), I just have a hard time thinking that even a young coach would let almost his entire staff be picked in advance.

Taco John
01-08-2009, 12:37 AM
I have a hard time believing all those guys would be retained. If McDaniels comes in, he doesn't pick the majority of the offensive staff? If Spags comes in, he doesn't pick his own d-line coach? I'll believe it when I see it.


Pat's flushing a lot of money down the toilet by firing Mike right now, and adding these guys to the toilet would be even more expensive when you consider he'd have to pay the salaries of the new guys coming in too. He'd essentially be paying for two coaching staffs. It's realistic to think that Pat might want to save some of that cost burden.

Popps
01-08-2009, 12:40 AM
If there's one guy who's a must-fire, it's Johnson. I'll give you that he hasn't had much talent to work with, but Moss/Crowder look horrible. Everyone looks pretty bad, actually.

I can't imagine a new coach comes in here and doesn't pick his own D-line coach.

enjolras
01-08-2009, 12:43 AM
Pat's flushing a lot of money down the toilet by firing Mike right now, and adding these guys to the toilet would be even more expensive when you consider he'd have to pay the salaries of the new guys coming in too. He'd essentially be paying for two coaching staffs. It's realistic to think that Pat might want to save some of that cost burden.

Alternatively, I think Bowlen really likes that staff.... and hopes his new coach agrees.

Atwater His Ass
01-08-2009, 12:45 AM
These are just the guys that Bowlen wants to keep. Doesn't mean they'll still be here next season.

Killericon
01-08-2009, 12:56 AM
I'd love to bring in a defensive guy as Head Coach, and promote Bates to OC.

lookin' glass
01-08-2009, 01:16 AM
If they're inclined to keep Johnson why not Jim Ryan? The young guys - WWIII and Larsen - played pretty well for being pressed into service. I'd be more apt to keep Ryan over Johnson. I read Mangini wants O'Brien for ST in Cleveland.
Tuten is a mild surprise and no mention of the med staff?
No Rex Ryan or Jim Schwartz now?
Given the list 1) Spags, 2) Frazier, 3) McDaniels, 4) Morris and that's it.

fontaine
01-08-2009, 01:38 AM
If there's one guy who's a must-fire, it's Johnson. I'll give you that he hasn't had much talent to work with, but Moss/Crowder look horrible. Everyone looks pretty bad, actually.

I can't imagine a new coach comes in here and doesn't pick his own D-line coach.

You're kinda right. When stuff like this happens the old coach like Johnson is "promoted" to another job like Defensive Tackles Quality Control Coach while the new HC brings in a new DL coach.

BMarsh615
01-08-2009, 01:44 AM
Steve Watson won't be coming back???

watermock
01-08-2009, 02:31 AM
The offensive staff isn't broken, at least it wasn't.

I'd like to see Dennison as OC, Bates as QB coach and Spago as HC. Simply to reemphasize the run and let Bates work with Jay.

Tuten must go. To many conditioning problems. It's not as simple as pulling a sled around. I'm afraid it's time for the Greek to pack his bags too.

TheReverend
01-08-2009, 04:42 AM
The Bill Johnson sighting just made me spit orange juice all over my work monitor...

dbfan21
01-08-2009, 04:56 AM
If there's one guy who's a must-fire, it's Johnson. I'll give you that he hasn't had much talent to work with, but Moss/Crowder look horrible. Everyone looks pretty bad, actually.

I can't imagine a new coach comes in here and doesn't pick his own D-line coach.

Bingo! Johnson has not earned the privilege of being retained. He should be shown the door in the promptest of manners!

Tuten can follow Jhnson out the door as well. There needs to be a greater emphasis placed on stretching during practice, before and during games. If the offense is on the field for a long time, have your defense limber up before going back out there. It's common sense!

barryr
01-08-2009, 06:00 AM
But don't forget, Burney has been the DL coach for quite awhile now and Johnson was hired basically as an assistant(I think given a title of pass rush coach or something like that), so how much Johnson had to do with the failings of the DL is hard to know.

oubronco
01-08-2009, 06:05 AM
Bill Johnson? Is this the clown thats responsible for our sh*tty pass rush and absent DT's?

Hercules Rockefeller
01-08-2009, 06:13 AM
Is reading comprehension anyone's friend this morning? It says the new coach will be encouraged to keep that group, while the others have been fired. The new coach doesn't necessarily have to keep any of those guys.

TheReverend
01-08-2009, 06:17 AM
Is reading comprehension anyone's friend this morning? It says the new coach will be encouraged to keep that group, while the others have been fired. The new coach doesn't necessarily have to keep any of those guys.

I think everyone understands that Herc. It's just definitely shocking, to me at least, that the FOs staff evaluation involved keeping Bill Johnson.

baja
01-08-2009, 06:17 AM
Is reading comprehension anyone's friend this morning? It says the new coach will be encouraged to keep that group, while the others have been fired. The new coach doesn't necessarily have to keep any of those guys.

And he could rehire any of those let go.

coachmastermind
01-08-2009, 06:38 AM
And lets not forget that these guys could choose to walk, and coach elsewhere. It's not 100% out of the realm of possibility that Shanny doesn't coach in 2009. Indianapolis or Dallas could open up for him... don't think that some of his former staff wouldn't be joining him.

baja
01-08-2009, 06:45 AM
The O coaches might enjoy the freedom of being out from under the shadow of Shanny who has a reputation of micro managing. Plus Denver is a great place to live and work. I bet they stay if they have the chance.

bowtown
01-08-2009, 06:48 AM
Bill Johnson? Is this the clown thats responsible for our sh*tty pass rush and absent DT's?

To be fair, Jacob Burney is the real Clown that is responsible for the DL sucking for years and years, and he has been let go. I have a feeling Johnson may actually be a pretty good coach who was constrained by a bad superior. I know all the Atlanta guys raved about him when he was there, and he was one of the stipulations of Kearney staying in Atlanta. Though Johnson obviously wasn't enough motivation to get Kearney here, so go figure.

Traveler
01-08-2009, 06:51 AM
All coaches on defense should be gone IMO. Wasn't Bill Johnson supposed to be the reason Patrick Kearney got better as a pass rusher? Then what happens when he gets here? He's assigned to handle the DT's, not DE's.

And since Burney's been here our play at DE has been less than competent. Now, lack of talent is partly to blame. Fact remains, no DE's we've had seemed to get better on his watch.

As the comic great Robin Harris used to say, "Gotta go, Gotta go!"

supermanhr9
01-08-2009, 06:51 AM
I'd have to question keeping Tuten with all of hamstring and groin injuries this team has. I'm not sure what they see in Johnson unless it's his contract, but it doesn't seem like the D-Linemen have progressed much under his shift.

Time for Tuten to go, we had way too many injuries last year. I wouldn't put the blame on him if it wasn't for abotu six guys w/ the exact same injury

Meck77
01-08-2009, 06:54 AM
Pat's flushing a lot of money down the toilet by firing Mike right now, and adding these guys to the toilet would be even more expensive when you consider he'd have to pay the salaries of the new guys coming in too. He'd essentially be paying for two coaching staffs. It's realistic to think that Pat might want to save some of that cost burden.

Taco didn't you stop to think that maybe Pat felt he was flushing money down the toilet the last several years and decided to cut his losses? Have you not heard the man talk about Superbowls? He made a reference to cost and said if you are worried about that then you are in the wrong business.

orinjkrush
01-08-2009, 06:56 AM
too many injuries

not enough defense

we need performance-enhanced coaches, not the same ole same ole.

Traveler
01-08-2009, 06:57 AM
The O coaches might enjoy the freedom of being out from under the shadow of Shanny who has a reputation of micro managing. Plus Denver is a great place to live and work. I bet they stay if they have the chance.

Kinda brings to mind the conversation by Shannon and Alfred williams in the radio interview.

They mentioned that after most teams win Super Bowls, most of their position coaches become hot commodities. The HC starts to establish his own coaching tree throughout the league.

Shanahan ran such a tight ship that his only legacy is Kubiak.

WolfpackGuy
01-08-2009, 07:00 AM
All coaches on defense should be gone IMO. Wasn't Bill Johnson supposed to be the reason Patrick Kearney got better as a pass rusher? Then what happens when he gets here? He's assigned to handle the DT's, not DE's.

And since Burney's been here our play at DE has been less than competent. Now, lack of talent is partly to blame. Fact remains, no DE's we've had seemed to get better on his watch.

As the comic great Robin Harris used to say, "Gotta go, Gotta go!"

I think Johnson was brought here to try to "sway" Kerney to come until he picked Seattle.

Rabb
01-08-2009, 07:01 AM
I'd have to question keeping Tuten with all of hamstring and groin injuries this team has. I'm not sure what they see in Johnson unless it's his contract, but it doesn't seem like the D-Linemen have progressed much under his shift.

you just basically said what I was about to say...with a big ass emphasis on Tuten

could not agree more with you

Traveler
01-08-2009, 07:03 AM
I think Johnson was brought here to try to "sway" Kerney to come until he picked Seattle.

If that was the case, that makes his hiring even worse.:spit: :letsgo: :gimme: :o zowie! :ouwknow:

WolfpackGuy
01-08-2009, 07:05 AM
Tuten or whoever the groin coach is needs to go.
Haven't they heard of stretching?

TheReverend
01-08-2009, 07:06 AM
To be fair, Jacob Burney is the real Clown that is responsible for the DL sucking for years and years, and he has been let go. I have a feeling Johnson may actually be a pretty good coach who was constrained by a bad superior. I know all the Atlanta guys raved about him when he was there, and he was one of the stipulations of Kearney staying in Atlanta. Though Johnson obviously wasn't enough motivation to get Kearney here, so go figure.

Good thought, but wasn't Burney the guy we brought in from Cleveland where all his players raved about him as well?

baja
01-08-2009, 07:15 AM
Tuten or whoever the groin coach is needs to go.
Haven't they heard of stretching?

LOL that's funny - Groin coach

Wonder who says, when I grow up I want to be a groin coach. ;D

bowtown
01-08-2009, 07:18 AM
Good thought, but wasn't Burney the guy we brought in from Cleveland where all his players raved about him as well?

Well you might be thinking of Patterson, they both came from the Browns. Burney came over in 2002 via Carolina, but he got his start with the Browns under Bill Belichick I believe, but I could be off on that. I think you might be referring to Patterson who came over 2005. Patterson was the one who brought all the Browns and man love. He only lasted a couple of seasons but Burney has been a constant on our terrible D Lines for almost a decade.

TheReverend
01-08-2009, 07:21 AM
Well you might be thinking of Patterson, they both came from the Browns. Burney came over in 2002 via Carolina, but he got his start with the Browns under Bill Belichick I believe, but I could be off on that. I think you might be referring to Patterson who came over 2005. Patterson was the one who brought all the Browns and man love. He only lasted a couple of seasons but Burney has been a constant on our terrible D Lines for almost a decade.

I think you're right. Thanks for correcting me.

MVP-06
01-08-2009, 07:26 AM
If a DC is picked to be our HC then all defensive coaches will be gone

montrose
01-08-2009, 07:29 AM
If there's one guy who's a must-fire, it's Johnson. I'll give you that he hasn't had much talent to work with, but Moss/Crowder look horrible. Everyone looks pretty bad, actually.

I can't imagine a new coach comes in here and doesn't pick his own D-line coach.

In all fairness, Johnson works more with the DT's while Burney coaches the DE's. Both are terrible coaches from my time observing training camp. I hope our new HC doesn't retain either.

fontaine
01-08-2009, 07:31 AM
And lets not forget that these guys could choose to walk, and coach elsewhere. It's not 100% out of the realm of possibility that Shanny doesn't coach in 2009. Indianapolis or Dallas could open up for him... don't think that some of his former staff wouldn't be joining him.

No, let's do forget that.

Coaches can't just get up and leave. These guys have contracts that have to be re worked and negotiated before they just get and walk out the door.

baja
01-08-2009, 07:32 AM
In all fairness, Johnson works more with the DT's while Burney coaches the DE's. Both are terrible coaches from my time observing training camp. I hope our new HC doesn't retain either.

If this is true how can Mike Shanahan keep a terrible coach for ten years?

Dedhed
01-08-2009, 07:51 AM
Bates and Turner are the only guys I want to see retained. The rest have simply not gotten the job done.

Mountain Bronco
01-08-2009, 07:54 AM
Is reading comprehension anyone's friend this morning? It says the new coach will be encouraged to keep that group, while the others have been fired. The new coach doesn't necessarily have to keep any of those guys.

Thank you, I was begining to think everyone failed third grade on this board. Did is say, has to keep, must keep, will remain on the staff? No, encouraged is entirely different.

montrose
01-08-2009, 07:55 AM
God I wanted Tuten gone. Greek too...

If this is true how can Mike Shanahan keep a terrible coach for ten years?

I have no idea, but when the Broncos practice by position - the DL splits into DT's, coached by Johnson, and DE's coached by Burney. Even when the whole DL practiced together, Johnson worked with Thomas, Peterson, Robertson, etc. on technique while Burney screamed his head off at Moss with one of the following comments:

"Come on Jarvis!"
"You gotta be there Jarvis!"
"Good job Jarvis!"

Never during that time was there actual coaching going on, just yelling.

bowtown
01-08-2009, 07:59 AM
Here's who I am most happy about being fired: Ronnie Bradford.

Dedhed
01-08-2009, 08:02 AM
If a DC is picked to be our HC then all defensive coaches will be gone

I agree. I'd be hard pressed to see why Spags would settle for what we've had here when there are guys spread across the league who he's worked with and know the philosophy that he would espouse.

Same can be said of Frazier and any other defensive guy. No one involved with our defense in the last five years should be kept around.

ScottXray
01-08-2009, 08:28 AM
New coach will likely have final say on those.
On Offense I'm happy if he retains Dennison, Bates, Turner.

Defense? Mehhhh!. Tuten and the Greek have had a long run....
wouldn't be sorry to see them go.

baja
01-08-2009, 08:36 AM
I think Greek would have another job in about 5 minutes. Please keep him.

gyldenlove
01-08-2009, 09:09 AM
We have had so many injuries the last couple of years, why are we keeping our strength and conditioning coach? and with our defensive line being one of the weakest units in the world why the **** are we keeping our defensive line coach?

footstepsfrom#27
01-08-2009, 10:46 AM
I'm not sure what the point of firing Shanahan, but keeping all of his staff is. That seems to signal that this was personal between the two men, and not really about turning over the organization. In any case, I'm glad to see that Bobby Turner is returning.
I doubt is anything to do with a personal issue. Hiring a new head coach and telling him he has to keep the old assistants is a very bad idea, and it signals that Bowlen is no longer going to remain hands off in his approach to the team. Why bring in a new coach and tell him that he can't even control who he wants on his own staff? That's a terrible idea...one that has hamstrung Cowboy coaches with Jerry Jones pulling the same thing. If you hire a head coach, for God's sake let HIM coach the team, and part of that means determining who he works with.

ScottXray
01-08-2009, 10:57 AM
Could be that Bowlen will tell the new coach to keep those guys the First year, and after that and their contracts run out (Bates renewed for HOW Long?) he can dump them for whoever he wants. Almost exclusively they are on the Offensive side.

Money thing.

Bowlen already will have to dig deep in his pockets to replace the entire D staff AND still pay Shanahan for a year or two. I can see him setting some limits for a year or two so they can do more with the players too, rather than ALL the coaches.

Its one reason I think he may go with a guy like Morris over Spags, cause he might be a little more flexible. Not saying that's a good thing, just a hunch.

It is a good sign that Bowlen is thinking of a Defensive minded coach, which means McDaniels probably isn't coming.

The new HC is going to have to be a little flexible about this just cause of the financial impact, but should have the authority to change as things move along.

footstepsfrom#27
01-08-2009, 11:15 AM
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see some of those guys stay (Turner, Bates), I just have a hard time thinking that even a young coach would let almost his entire staff be picked in advance.
Pat is starting to worry me. This is more like a Jerry Jones move than a Bowlen move.

lostknight
01-08-2009, 11:19 AM
<b>Rich Tuten (strength and conditioning).</b>

ARGH!

2KBack
01-08-2009, 11:27 AM
All I see this as is Bowlen firing the guys He KNOWS he doesn't want on the team next season.

Bronco LB 59
01-08-2009, 11:31 AM
Bates and Turner are the only guys I want to see retained. The rest have simply not gotten the job done.

Dennison hasn't gotten the job done?

Tombstone RJ
01-08-2009, 12:24 PM
I'm very happy with the way Bowlen is handling this whole situation. Best owner in the NFL, period.

BroncsRule
01-08-2009, 12:30 PM
I don't think it's a money thing so much as a continuity thing. Bowlen has been around the league long enough to see what can happen to a team that turns over it's entire coaching staff in one off season - and his Offense ain't broke.

On D and ST - blow it up. Can't get any worse.

Apparently, Greek & Tut get a pass.

broncosteven
01-08-2009, 12:44 PM
I wouldn't mind if Tuten was kicked to curb.

If your making a HC change because of 20+ years why is Greek and his staff still there?

mr007
01-08-2009, 12:56 PM
Umm, the key word is "encouraged" to maintain the people previously mentioned. Nowhere does it say the new HC will be forced to keep anyone... I'm sure Bowlen will give proper leeway to whomever emerges as the leader for the HC position and that person will in turn get rid of some of the 6 members he is encouraged to keep.

colonelbeef
01-08-2009, 12:56 PM
all signs pointing to spagnulo.

baja
01-08-2009, 01:05 PM
all signs pointing to spagnulo.

It looks that way but you can also make the case that he kept the O coaches because they did their job.

2KBack
01-08-2009, 01:08 PM
I'm not seeing the Spagnuolo lean? Why do people think this somehow hints at him?

bowtown
01-08-2009, 01:08 PM
I think most of those signs point to Jay Cutler.

baja
01-08-2009, 01:17 PM
I'm not seeing the Spagnuolo lean? Why do people think this somehow hints at him?

Bates running Shanny's O for the D minded Spags

2KBack
01-08-2009, 01:22 PM
Bates running Shanny's O for the D minded Spags

I always assumed that there would be encouragement to keep most of the offensive coaches no matter the strengths of the new HC.

I'm going to assume that this means Morris to keeps things balanced

Rohirrim
01-08-2009, 01:22 PM
The Broncos' new head coach will be encouraged to keep six assistant coaches left over from Shanahan's staff. According to two NFL sources, the Broncos have sent termination notices to the league office for all assistants except Dennison, Jeremy Bates (quarterbacks), Jedd Fisch (receivers), Bobby Turner (running backs), Bill Johnson (defensive line) and Rich Tuten (strength and conditioning).

Guess we're also in the market for an ST coach.

BroncoInferno
01-08-2009, 01:24 PM
The fact that Bowlen wants to keep most of the offensive staff leads me to speculate that McDaniels will not be the guy. If it were going to be him, he'd probably want to change the system and have his own people.

BroncoInferno
01-08-2009, 01:30 PM
I doubt is anything to do with a personal issue. Hiring a new head coach and telling him he has to keep the old assistants is a very bad idea, and it signals that Bowlen is no longer going to remain hands off in his approach to the team. Why bring in a new coach and tell him that he can't even control who he wants on his own staff? That's a terrible idea...one that has hamstrung Cowboy coaches with Jerry Jones pulling the same thing. If you hire a head coach, for God's sake let HIM coach the team, and part of that means determining who he works with.

It makes sense from this perspective: I think Bowlen, like most of us, thought the offense was moving in the right direction. With a lot of young talent, it would make sense to keep them in a familiar system. Getting rid of Shanny, in my view, was almost entirely a result of watching Shanny change DCs the last three years, with the results only becoming more putrid. Essentially, Bowlen gave up hope on Shanny turning around the defense. Hence, he wants to keep the offense more or less in tact while bringing in a defensive minded coach who can concentrate on that side of the ball. It also might be an indication that Bowlen is leaning towards Morris. Since Morris is only 32 without even DC experience, it would make sense to have a veteran offensive staff already used to working together in place to help him make the transition. Now, if he hires McDaniels, I will be among the baffled.

baja
01-08-2009, 01:34 PM
I always assumed that there would be encouragement to keep most of the offensive coaches no matter the strengths of the new HC.

I'm going to assume that this means Morris to keeps things balanced

I'd like to see Morris given a shot but the more I think about it the less likely i think that will happen. Bowlen is going to be under the microscope for firing Shanny by the press and fans alike so even if his gut tells him to hire Morris his brain may talk him out of it. Look at it this way, Pat fires Shanny only to replace him with a 32 years old with little NFL experience, if he fails or even needs a season to grow into the job Bowlen will get crucified by fans and press alike but if he chooses Spags and he struggles that at least a case can be made he was the best available based on experience for the current conditions of the Broncos.

2KBack
01-08-2009, 01:41 PM
I'd like to see Morris given a shot but the more I think about it the less likely i think that will happen. Bowlen is going to be under the microscope for firing Shanny by the press and fans alike so even if his gut tells him to hire Morris his brain may talk him out of it. Look at it this way, Pat fires Shanny only to replace him with a 32 years old with little NFL experience, if he fails or even needs a season to grow into the job Bowlen will get crucified by fans and press alike but if he chooses Spags and he struggles that at least a case can be made he was the best available based on experience for the current conditions of the Broncos.

That's a good point. I think I like morris partly because of his youth. He assuredly would bring energy and excitement back to the teams mentality. He has a fabulous reputation as a teacher. I really think his youth in a way leaves him untainted. He can be a leader, but will also have an open ear to input of other coaches.

I like Spags too though. I sure as hell want both Spags and Morris more than McDaniels or Garrett

baja
01-08-2009, 01:52 PM
I wouldn't mind McDaniels, I see him as a young Shanahan which might be better than grabbing a hot DC for HC to fix the D while trying to run Shanny's system without shanny.

2KBack
01-08-2009, 01:55 PM
I wouldn't mind McDaniels, I see him as a young Shanahan which might be better than grabbing a hot DC for HC to fix the D while trying to run Shanny's system without shanny.

My issue with him is the rumor of Dom Capers as DC. It could only be rumor, but I really don't like the idea of an old retread with little recent success as DC.

bombay
01-08-2009, 02:01 PM
If there's one guy who's a must-fire, it's Johnson. I'll give you that he hasn't had much talent to work with, but Moss/Crowder look horrible. Everyone looks pretty bad, actually.

I can't imagine a new coach comes in here and doesn't pick his own D-line coach.


Yeah. That's a total head-scratcher.

Dedhed
01-08-2009, 02:09 PM
Dennison hasn't gotten the job done?

No. The OL was terrific in pass protection this year because of two stud tackles. They struggled opening lanes consistently in the running game, and they've been sub par by Denver's standards since Dennison took over. Being the recipient of great talent doesn't get Dennison off the hook for a decade's worth of poor performances by whichever unit he was in charge of.

I have zero doubt that any talented OL coach could turn this unit into a devastatingly dominant one rather than a terrific pass-blocking unit. Alex Gibbs and this unit would be completely unstoppable in all phases of offense, with Dennison they were very good in one aspect but overall not overly impressive.

Rock Chalk
01-08-2009, 02:58 PM
I'm not sure what the point of firing Shanahan, but keeping all of his staff is. That seems to signal that this was personal between the two men, and not really about turning over the organization. In any case, I'm glad to see that Bobby Turner is returning.

IM STAYING WITH BOB SLOWICK.

If you havent figured it out yet you never will.

BroncoMan4ever
01-08-2009, 05:43 PM
why wasn't Bill Johnson ****canned as well?