Dolphins Assistant Head Coach Todd Bowles to interview Thursday

[montrose]

Per CBS 4 -
http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/broncos.dennison.coach.2.901508.html

A little bit on Bowles -
http://miamidolphins.com/newsite/team/coachingstaff/coachingstaff_Bowles_t.asp

[spdirty]

ok.

[Meck77]

He'll be the front runner Friday.

Wait til cowher steps up from out of the blue!

[BigPlayShay]

Bowles, no sh*t.

[Sassy]

He'll be the front runner Friday.

Wait til cowher steps up from out of the blue!

You know what I think about that one!
;D

[Meck77]

You know what I think about that one!
;D

Every time I say it Taco says "Bill Cowher will not coach a Pat Bowlen owned team". I figure if he keeps saying that then it will happen. ;D

[Sassy]

Every time I say it Taco says "Bill Cowher will not coach a Pat Bowlen owned team". I figure if he keeps saying then it will happen. ;D

I must have missed that...what's does he think that?

[MechanicalBull]

Maybe Bowlen is interviewing him just because their names are very close. Bowlen and Bowles.

Oh by the way Mort just said that Vince Lombardi is currently the front runner for the job.

[BroncsRule]

I must have missed that...what's does he think that?

"Cowher is a Shottenheimer clone", or something..

[Killericon]

Why does this team love Secondary coaches so much?

[TheDave]

Being thorough in your search is a good thing...

Interviewing everyone in the NFL...well... I'm not sure how good that is.

[BroncsRule]

Being thorough in your search is a good thing...

Interviewing everyone in the NFL...well... I'm not sure how good that is.

It is, unfortunately, indicative of not having a clue..

[Man-Goblin]

It is, unfortunately, indicative of not having a clue..

You're right. They should have just stopped after two.

[Sassy]

It is, unfortunately, indicative of not having a clue..

It's for HC...they want SB wins...why wouldn't you research who's out there???

[BroncsRule]

It's for HC...they want SB wins...why wouldn't you research who's out there???

One would hope that "The Best Owner in Football" would have a plan when he terminates his HOF coach.

[Sassy]

One would hope that "The Best Owner in Football" would have a plan when he terminates his HOF coach.

Just maybe he does...we don't know that for sure.

[BroncsRule]

Just maybe he does...we don't know that for sure.

:crossing fingers:

:sunshine:

[Sassy]

:crossing fingers:

:sunshine:

Either that or he was still drinking after the Chargers loss when he "accidently" FIRED Mike! ;D

[theAPAOps5]

One would hope that "The Best Owner in Football" would have a plan when he terminates his HOF coach.

Yeah I have this sense there was no plan.

[Derger_Louis]

Why does this team love Secondary coaches so much?

I was thinking the same thing... Seems that they would be interested in someone with more knowledge in the front 7.

[ColoradoDarin]

Maybe Pat's just biding his time waiting on Spagnuolo, might as well keep the Broncos name in the papers....

[IHaveALight]

Why don't they just interview Kyle Shanahan and get it over with? ???

[theAPAOps5]

Why don't they just interview Kyle Shanahan and get it over with? ???

Because he has I heart Chris Simms tattooed on his ankle. That would make Cutler jealous.

[Sassy]

Because he has I heart Chris Simms tattooed on his ankle. That would make Cutler jealous.

:rofl:

[montrose]

Yeah I have this sense there was no plan.

I don't believe there was. I think Pat wanted Mike gone, badly - and not because of missing the playoffs three straight years, blowing a 3 game lead with 3 to play or only registering 1 playoff win in a decade.

I believe Pat wanted Mike gone to take his team back, even if that meant firing a HOF coach with no plan to replace him.

[Ambiguous]

I don't believe there was. I think Pat wanted Mike gone, badly - and not because of missing the playoffs three straight years, blowing a 3 game lead with 3 to play or only registering 1 playoff win in a decade.

I believe Pat wanted Mike gone to take his team back, even if that meant firing a HOF coach with no plan to replace him.

I'm starting to agree with this, and it sucks.

[BroncoMan4ever]

He'll be the front runner Friday.

Wait til cowher steps up from out of the blue!


i'm still waiting for that kick in the nuts.

the fact that he hasn't even been linked with us worries me, that from out of nowhere in a few weeks we will name him our coach.

[tsiguy96]

i hate when people say "i wish he had a plan"

he had a damn plan, to get a new coach who is capable of replacing mike shanahan and is capable of getting a defense in order. and before someone says there is no one capable of replacing him, yes there is. shanahan is not the end all be all of coaches who can keep a team competitive, and bowlen acknowledged taht by saying he wanted a ten. well, i trust that the man who has run the broncos all these years can find one, and you internet message board awesomites are NOT more qualified to pick a coach then him.

[TheDave]

i'm still waiting for that kick in the nuts.

the fact that he hasn't even been linked with us worries me, that from out of nowhere in a few weeks we will name him our coach.

I wouldn't worry Cowher's asking price is a little steep for a team already on the hook for $7+ million next year...

[Sassy]

How do you know Cowher's asking price?
Seriously...as far as the world knows he's staying with Tv THIS YEAR.

[Ambiguous]

i'm still waiting for that kick in the nuts.

the fact that he hasn't even been linked with us worries me, that from out of nowhere in a few weeks we will name him our coach.

Well that would be a kick in the nuts that would make me nut in my pants.

It hasn't even been vaguely mentioned by anyone yet though. I've seen references to him and the Browns/Jets but absolutely nothing in regards to the Broncos.

At least he hasn't said no yet. :)

/Insert Jim Carrey in Dumb and Dumber "so you are saying there's a chance"

[DomCasual]

I heard someone speculating today (NFL Radio, I think) that Bowlen was really interested in giving African American coaches opportunities to interview. They said that Bowlen didn't want one token interview, to satisfy the Rooney rule. He wanted to interview anyone that was qualified.

Take it for what it's worth. It sounded like nothing more than speculation to me.

[tsiguy96]

Well that would be a kick in the nuts that would make me nut in my pants.

It hasn't even been vaguely mentioned by anyone yet though. I've seen references to him and the Browns/Jets but absolutely nothing in regards to the Broncos.

At least he hasn't said no yet. :)

/Insert Jim Carrey in Dumb and Dumber "so you are saying there's a chance"

cowher publicly stated hes not coaching in 09, and from all accounts of basically everyone, bowlen is looking for a young guy. spags is older at 49, but still young enough to be here for 10-15 years.

[TheDave]

How do you know Cowher's asking price?
Seriously...as far as the world knows he's staying with Tv THIS YEAR.

I've seen it reported multiple times by different sources... and everyone seems to agree his price is $8-$10 million. Add that to Shanahans $7 and you have an astronomical budget for a new head coach. Hardly the actions of a team that talks openly about budget constraints.

[Ambiguous]

cowher publicly stated hes not coaching in 09, and from all accounts of basically everyone, bowlen is looking for a young guy. spags is older at 49, but still young enough to be here for 10-15 years.

I know, it's not going to happen. I just need a concrete "no" before I give up hope.

[tsiguy96]

I know, it's not going to happen. I just need a concrete "no" before I give up hope.

....he publicly stated hes NOT coaching....

[outdoor_miner]

Why does Bowlen have to have some elaborate plan? His plan is:

1. Hire the best coach possible
2. Hire the best GM possible

I imagine he has some criteria for both. Why does he have to know exactly who it is when the process is just now getting started? Otherwise, what's the point of the interview process? It seems like people are expecting him to come out and say "We wanted Spags all along". How would he know that unless the person he was hiring was already on the staff? I mean, all these other coaches work for other teams. Shouldn't he meet with everyone first hand, and evaluate from there?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Damn Bowlen, why don't you just set up a job fair booth in front of every teams' headquarters just to make sure you don't miss any possibilities.

[Houshyamama]

I sure am glad Bowlen had a plan before firing his HOF coach. I know it was stale and all and I'm okay with the move, I'm just so damn happy he knew what was doing before he pulled the trigger.

[tsiguy96]

I sure am glad Bowlen had a plan before firing his HOF coach. I know it was stale and all and I'm okay with the move, I'm just so damn happy he knew what was doing before he pulled the trigger.

he did you idiot, to interview coaches and to find the best one to run this team.

[footstepsfrom#27]

he did you idiot, to interview coaches and to find the best one to run this team.
Exactly.

What else would you do besides interview available candidates and make a decision based upon that? There are so many idiots on tihs board it's amazing. Why would Bowlen have a "plan" for firing Shanahan and then hiring a new guy? Was he supposed to know Mike would become the first coach ever to choke away a sure playoff spot with a 3 game lead and 3 to play?

Bowlen gave unprecedented liberty and loyalty to a guy who basically was a below average coach for 10 years. The only thing I fault him on is for not doing this sooner.

[TonyR]

BRONCOS’ COACHING SEARCH CONTINUES TO EXPAND
Posted by Aaron Wilson on January 7, 2009, 8:33 a.m. EST
Denver Broncos owner Pat Bowlen has accelerated the pace in his search to identify a new head coach since firing Mike Shanahan.

That said, a clear-cut leader has yet to emerge from a burgeoning pack of candidates.

In the wake of interviewing New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo and New England Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels on the road, the Broncos met Monday in Colorado with 32-year-old Tampa Bay Bucccaneers defensive coordinator Raheem Morris.

Next up on Bowlen and chief operating officer Joe Ellis’ list, according to Jeff Legwold of the Rocky Mountain News: Dallas Cowboys offensive coordinator Jason Garrett and Broncos offensive coordinator Rick Dennison.

Vikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier will become the sixth potential Shanahan successor to interview on Wednesday, Legwold writes. On Thursday, Dolphins assistant head coach/secondary Todd Bowles will sit for the job.

Tennessee Titans defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz and Baltimore Ravens defensive coordinator Rex Ryan were on the Broncos’ preliminary list, but are now regarded as long shots to meet with Bowlen.

Then there’s the question of whether Bowlen might be biding his time to talk to University of Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops.

Stoops has already denied rumors that he’s on the Broncos’ radar, but it’ll be interesting to see if anything happens after the Sooners’ BCS title game against the Florida Gators.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/07/broncos-coaching-search-continues-to-expand/

[TheReverend]

One would hope that "The Best Owner in Football" would have a plan when he terminates his HOF coach.

Very confidence inspiring, isn't it?

[Rabb]

Jesus Christ people, have a little faith in the man to make a good choice. I don't care if he interviews 150 people for 2 months, if it takes that to pick the right guy for the job then we will all be happy when the season starts.

[Rohirrim]

Maybe the person he wants is still coaching, he's going to wait until the playoffs are done (like he told the press) and meanwhile, he's going to do a little information gathering? Bowlen always gave Mike whatever he wanted, why would he change that philosophy now? Like Warren Buffett said, the investor who makes the best choice is the one who turns over the most rocks.

[theAPAOps5]

I swear to God if he fired Shanahan to take an unproven coach in the NFL at ANY level in Stoops I will drive out to Centennial get on his private jet and take a big dump on his seat. Not just any dump either. I am talking greasy Denver Diner, mixed with a heavy night of drinking type dump.

[broncofan]

Maybe Pat's just biding his time waiting on Spagnuolo, might as well keep the Broncos name in the papers....

There it is. If he ends up being the guy like so many people feel it will be, then the Broncos have another 4-5 days to kill...possibly more.

[bowtown]

I would much rather be interviewing everyone uner the sun right now, than to be the Chiefs and Raiders, who are sitting on their hands, trying to decide if they even are going to get rid of their existing crappy coaches.

[BroncsRule]

Exactly.

What else would you do besides interview available candidates and make a decision based upon that? There are so many idiots on tihs board it's amazing. Why would Bowlen have a "plan" for firing Shanahan and then hiring a new guy? Was he supposed to know Mike would become the first coach ever to choke away a sure playoff spot with a 3 game lead and 3 to play?

Bowlen gave unprecedented liberty and loyalty to a guy who basically was a below average coach for 10 years. The only thing I fault him on is for not doing this sooner.

You clowns kill me. Below average. Heh.

You may just get a chance to see what "below average" really looks like.

Thanks to Mikey, the Bronco faithful (especially the younger ones) have absolutely no clue what below average even smells like.

[BroncsRule]

I swear to God if he fired Shanahan to take an unproven coach in the NFL at ANY level in Stoops I will drive out to Centennial get on his private jet and take a big dump on his seat. Not just any dump either. I am talking greasy Denver Diner, mixed with a heavy night of drinking type dump.

:rofl: Damn! I really didn't need that visual.

[frerottenextelway]

I would like to announce my candidacy to be the next Head Coach of the Denver Broncos. I appreciate all of your support.

[HooptyHoops]

Shanahan spoiled us Bronco fans...he's not a 'below average' coach...he was a very good coach. But, he gets a FAIL in his GM duties...he was such a good coach that Bowlen looked the other way about the GM problems. Yes, Mike Shanahan spoiled us to think that an 8 - 8 season is HORRIBLE...we might be the only team in the NFL that can say that....

[HooptyHoops]

That said, I'm looking forward to the future of this orginization...I think we have some good cornerstones and am really looking forward to this transition...

[baja]

<b>Maybe Bowlen is interviewing him just because their names are very close. Bowlen and Bowles.</b>

Oh by the way Mort just said that Vince Lombardi is currently the front runner for the job.

Together they could be known as "Blowin Bowels"

[Bronco X]

You clowns kill me. Below average. Heh.

You may just get a chance to see what "below average" really looks like.

Thanks to Mikey, the Bronco faithful (especially the younger ones) have absolutely no clue what below average even smells like.

You can turn that around and say some Shanahan backers have no clue that more than one single decent head coach exists on the planet Earth other than one "Mike Shanahan".

I was never supportive of firing Shanahan and it was only after the last two games of this past season when I thought it was something worthy of consideration... that being said this doom and gloom attitude that the Broncos have no hope of being decent now that the great one is gone is ridiculous. There are a lot of good head coaching candidates out there and the Broncos have one of, if not the most attractive vacancy out there. The Broncos will be fine.

[no-pseudo-fan]

I wish the search was over. I want to hear an annoucement of the new coach, and what he plans to do with this team.

[Paladin]

Crikey! What a bunch of crap. I would think that with all the help in the FO he has, Bowlen is going to do just fine. He does not owe a single one of us a dime in royalty for the "ideas" proposed here, neither does he owe anyone here any more of an explanation he has already provided.

For the record: I do not wish to contribute to the perpetuation of the "boo hoo, he's gone" BS. Get over it; you get no money from Bowlen, Shanahan or the Broncos for the unsightly display of misplaced dramatics. That limp wristed queen-speak has left the station.

I do believe that the team is going in the right direction (i. e., being built), and I would not be surprised to see it in the playoffs and more next year and a contender the following year. It was plain that Shanahan was tired, and I thought he was a bit rejuvenated the press conference. I had not seen him as animated as that for the past couple of years. One does not ordinarily see a guy as animated at his farewell conference. But he leaves a h3ll of an offense and some promising D players (Remember JMFW? Barrett? And a couple of others who were highy touted around here by "those who know"?) This place gets schizy occassionally.

My point is that I believe Bowlen genuinely believes he is interviewing actual, real candidates for his job. Actually. Really. But I realize the Conspiracy Theorists need to be mollified, and the impatient ones among us who already know who the HC "is" or "should be" or "needs only to sign the papers to start coaching" are desperately needing to be heard. This is pathetic and absurd. I suggest that maybe people hereon need to have a bit of faith that maybe, just maybe, well a long shot maybe, Bowlen and the FO staff know what the F they are doing, and know what they are looking for.

I suggest we all take a three our hiatus from the "Coaching Wars" and just do your work at work, study if you need to, or at least have a drink of milk or juice. Let the pros handle it, okay?

[BroncsRule]

You can turn that around and say some Shanahan backers have no clue that more than one single decent head coach exists on the planet Earth other than one "Mike Shanahan".

I was never supportive of firing Shanahan and it was only after the last two games of this past season when I thought it was something worthy of consideration... that being said this doom and gloom attitude that the Broncos have no hope of being decent now that the great one is gone is ridiculous. There are a lot of good head coaching candidates out there and the Broncos have one of, if not the most attractive vacancy out there. The Broncos will be fine.

My point is it's a crapshoot. I will support Pat and whoever he chooses, and hope for the best. But I recognize this could blow up in his face.

Flip a coin.

Right now, after one week of reflection, this whole thing still looks to me like an ill conceived, half baked, half cocked abortion of a decision.

And we all may come to rue the day that Pat didn't at least try to talk through the principal issue with Mike, and try to come to a compromise solution, which might have been:

Bringing in a Defensive head hunter with autonomy, and mounting a serious, open interview/selection process (like they're doing now) for a new Assistant Head Coach/Defense.

Who knows? Maybe Shanny would have been open to it. he had to have been as disgusted as the rest of us with that dismal Defensive performance. The man's not stupid. Nor is he so arrogant that he's blind.

But we'll never know. Because the conversation was never explored.

[CBF1]

So what is the new plan anyways... I must have missed that post.

[Rohirrim]

My point is it's a crapshoot. I will support Pat and whoever he chooses, and hope for the best. But I recognize this could blow up in his face.

Flip a coin.

Right now, after one week of reflection, this whole thing still looks to me like an ill conceived, half baked, half cocked abortion of a decision.

And we all may come to rue the day that Pat didn't at least try to talk through the principal issue with Mike, and try to come to a compromise solution, which might have been:

Bringing in a Defensive head hunter with autonomy, and mounting a serious, open interview/selection process (like they're doing now) for a new Assistant Head Coach/Defense.

Who knows? Maybe Shanny would have been open to it. he had to have been as disgusted as the rest of us with that dismal Defensive performance. The man's not stupid. Nor is he so arrogant that he's blind.

But we'll never know. Because the conversation was never explored.

How do you know it was never explored?

[Dutch]

Crikey! What a bunch of crap. I would think that with all the help in the FO he has, Bowlen is going to do just fine. He does not owe a single one of us a dime in royalty for the "ideas" proposed here, neither does he owe anyone here any more of an explanation he has already provided.

For the record: I do not wish to contribute to the perpetuation of the "boo hoo, he's gone" BS. Get over it; you get no money from Bowlen, Shanahan or the Broncos for the unsightly display of misplaced dramatics. That limp wristed queen-speak has left the station.

I do believe that the team is going in the right direction (i. e., being built), and I would not be surprised to see it in the playoffs and more next year and a contender the following year. It was plain that Shanahan was tired, and I thought he was a bit rejuvenated the press conference. I had not seen him as animated as that for the past couple of years. One does not ordinarily see a guy as animated at his farewell conference. But he leaves a h3ll of an offense and some promising D players (Remember JMFW? Barrett? And a couple of others who were highy touted around here by "those who know"?) This place gets schizy occassionally.

My point is that I believe Bowlen genuinely believes he is interviewing actual, real candidates for his job. Actually. Really. But I realize the Conspiracy Theorists need to be mollified, and the impatient ones among us who already know who the HC "is" or "should be" or "needs only to sign the papers to start coaching" are desperately needing to be heard. This is pathetic and absurd. I suggest that maybe people hereon need to have a bit of faith that maybe, just maybe, well a long shot maybe, Bowlen and the FO staff know what the F they are doing, and know what they are looking for.

I suggest we all take a three our hiatus from the "Coaching Wars" and just do your work at work, study if you need to, or at least have a drink of milk or juice. Let the pros handle it, okay?

Amen!!

[BroncsRule]

Crikey! What a bunch of crap. I would think that with all the help in the FO he has, Bowlen is going to do just fine. He does not owe a single one of us a dime in royalty for the "ideas" proposed here, neither does he owe anyone here any more of an explanation he has already provided.

For the record: I do not wish to contribute to the perpetuation of the "boo hoo, he's gone" BS. Get over it; you get no money from Bowlen, Shanahan or the Broncos for the unsightly display of misplaced dramatics. That limp wristed queen-speak has left the station.

I do believe that the team is going in the right direction (i. e., being built), and I would not be surprised to see it in the playoffs and more next year and a contender the following year. It was plain that Shanahan was tired, and I thought he was a bit rejuvenated the press conference. I had not seen him as animated as that for the past couple of years. One does not ordinarily see a guy as animated at his farewell conference. But he leaves a h3ll of an offense and some promising D players (Remember JMFW? Barrett? And a couple of others who were highy touted around here by "those who know"?) This place gets schizy occassionally.

My point is that I believe Bowlen genuinely believes he is interviewing actual, real candidates for his job. Actually. Really. But I realize the Conspiracy Theorists need to be mollified, and the impatient ones among us who already know who the HC "is" or "should be" or "needs only to sign the papers to start coaching" are desperately needing to be heard. This is pathetic and absurd. I suggest that maybe people hereon need to have a bit of faith that maybe, just maybe, well a long shot maybe, Bowlen and the FO staff know what the F they are doing, and know what they are looking for.

I suggest we all take a three our hiatus from the "Coaching Wars" and just do your work at work, study if you need to, or at least have a drink of milk or juice. Let the pros handle it, okay?

I trust Pat's gut. He'll find us a decent coach. But even with a decent coach, we may well get to taste what a "rebuilding period" looks like to the rest of the football universe.

And we may pine for the good ol' days of .500 football, where each and every year we were allowed to fantasize that this year's team just might be special, if only we can avoid the injury bug, or yet another late season collapse. Because in those days, we were competitive. Every. Year.

I don't want any money. I just want a football forum where I can voice my opinion that this might have been a huge mistake.. go "on the record", so to speak.

So sorry if my limp wristed faggyness offends.

[BroncsRule]

How do you know it was never explored?

Because I believe what they both said in their press conference - that Mikey had no clue the axe was about to fall, and that the exit interview lasted 5 minutes.

[baja]

Are you saying we had no exit strategy?

[Rohirrim]

Because I believe what they both said in their press conference - that Mikey had no clue the axe was about to fall, and that the exit interview lasted 5 minutes.

That doesn't mean they haven't discussed all of these issues over the last years. It just means that Mike didn't know Pat's decision until Pat told him. From all reports, Mike and Pat had a very intense, two hour meeting after the end of last season. For all we know, Pat told Mike 2008 was "Do or Die." If that was the case, why would Pat need more than five minutes? We really don't know.

[BroncsRule]

Are you saying we had no exit strategy?

Heh. Indeed! This whole fiasco fails the Powell Doctrine test.. Maybe that's why I don't like it.

[BroncsRule]

That doesn't mean they haven't discussed all of these issues over the last years. It just means that Mike didn't know Pat's decision until Pat told him. From all reports, Mike and Pat had a very intense, two hour meeting after the end of last season. For all we know, Pat told Mike 2008 was "Do or Die." If that was the case, why would Pat need more than five minutes? We really don't know.

Point taken. I do get that Pat gave Mike full autonomy to run the football operation - to bring in the right people to get the job done. And on the Defensive side of the house, he failed big time. So Pat had to hold him accountable.

Part of me really respects the Stones it took for Pat to pull the trigger.

And I'm not one of the ones with ants in my pants to see the process over with because I'm impatient to know who the next coach will be - hell, interview 25 guys between now and the end of February if that's what floats Pat's boat.

It's just that the more I think about it, the more I feel compelled to call Pat out for poor communication, passive aggressive behavior of the highest order, and coming across like he went off half cocked with the most crucial leadership decision he's made in the last 15 years.

[TheReverend]

That doesn't mean they haven't discussed all of these issues over the last years. It just means that Mike didn't know Pat's decision until Pat told him. From all reports, Mike and Pat had a very intense, two hour meeting after the end of last season. For all we know, Pat told Mike 2008 was "Do or Die." If that was the case, why would Pat need more than five minutes? We really don't know.

Why would he have no clue after a "Do or die" season?

[2KBack]

Point taken. I do get that Pat gave Mike full autonomy to run the football operation - to bring in the right people to get the job done. And on the Defensive side of the house, he failed big time. So Pat had to hold him accountable.

Part of me really respects the Stones it took for Pat to pull the trigger.

And I'm not one of the ones with ants in my pants to see the process over with because I'm impatient to know who the next coach will be - hell, interview 25 guys between now and the end of February if that's what floats Pat's boat.

It's just that the more I think about it, the more I feel compelled to call Pat out for poor communication, passive aggressive behavior of the highest order, and coming across like he went off half cocked with the most crucial leadership decision he's made in the last 15 years.

If Pat was that type of guy I doubt Shanahan would have been here 14 years, especially with the power he had.

[Bronco X]

My point is it's a crapshoot. I will support Pat and whoever he chooses, and hope for the best. But I recognize this could blow up in his face.

Flip a coin.

Right now, after one week of reflection, this whole thing still looks to me like an ill conceived, half baked, half cocked abortion of a decision.

And we all may come to rue the day that Pat didn't at least try to talk through the principal issue with Mike, and try to come to a compromise solution, which might have been:

Bringing in a Defensive head hunter with autonomy, and mounting a serious, open interview/selection process (like they're doing now) for a new Assistant Head Coach/Defense.

Who knows? Maybe Shanny would have been open to it. he had to have been as disgusted as the rest of us with that dismal Defensive performance. The man's not stupid. Nor is he so arrogant that he's blind.

But we'll never know. Because the conversation was never explored.

If it's a coin flip it could go either way... if Shanny was retained Bowlen may have one day regretted not recognizing that things had gotten stale earlier. Who knows, indeed.

The bottom line with the firing is I trust Bowlen's motivation... he wants to win. He demands it, and the Broncos weren't winning, so a change was made. And I trust he's going to do everything he can to go after a coach now who will win, and I see no reason he can't find one.

I have a lot of appreciation for the things Shanahan has done for the Broncos, but if he had not been fired after this season, he'd have been the only coach in the NFL who could survive missing the playoffs three consecutive years when two of the years the team failed to clinch at home against a losing team. As it turns out, there's no coach in the NFL who could survive that. So I don't think it's much of an outrage...

[baja]

Point taken. I do get that Pat gave Mike full autonomy to run the football operation - to bring in the right people to get the job done. And on the Defensive side of the house, he failed big time. So Pat had to hold him accountable.

Part of me really respects the Stones it took for Pat to pull the trigger.

And I'm not one of the ones with ants in my pants to see the process over with because I'm impatient to know who the next coach will be - hell, interview 25 guys between now and the end of February if that's what floats Pat's boat.

It's just that the more I think about it, <b>the more I feel compelled to call Pat out for poor communication, passive aggressive behavior of the highest order, and coming across like he went off half cocked with the most crucial leadership decision he's made in the last 15 years.

There is a difference between poor communation and poor public speaking skills, clearly Pat is guilty of the later but I doubt you have a basis to judge that.

[theAPAOps5]

Crikey! What a bunch of crap. I would think that with all the help in the FO he has, Bowlen is going to do just fine. He does not owe a single one of us a dime in royalty for the "ideas" proposed here, neither does he owe anyone here any more of an explanation he has already provided.

For the record: I do not wish to contribute to the perpetuation of the "boo hoo, he's gone" BS. Get over it; you get no money from Bowlen, Shanahan or the Broncos for the unsightly display of misplaced dramatics. That limp wristed queen-speak has left the station.

I do believe that the team is going in the right direction (i. e., being built), and I would not be surprised to see it in the playoffs and more next year and a contender the following year. It was plain that Shanahan was tired, and I thought he was a bit rejuvenated the press conference. I had not seen him as animated as that for the past couple of years. One does not ordinarily see a guy as animated at his farewell conference. But he leaves a h3ll of an offense and some promising D players (Remember JMFW? Barrett? And a couple of others who were highy touted around here by "those who know"?) This place gets schizy occassionally.

My point is that I believe Bowlen genuinely believes he is interviewing actual, real candidates for his job. Actually. Really. But I realize the Conspiracy Theorists need to be mollified, and the impatient ones among us who already know who the HC "is" or "should be" or "needs only to sign the papers to start coaching" are desperately needing to be heard. This is pathetic and absurd. I suggest that maybe people hereon need to have a bit of faith that maybe, just maybe, well a long shot maybe, Bowlen and the FO staff know what the F they are doing, and know what they are looking for.

I suggest we all take a three our hiatus from the "Coaching Wars" and just do your work at work, study if you need to, or at least have a drink of milk or juice. Let the pros handle it, okay?

Amen, may I suggest anyone reading this have the Battle Hymn of the Republic playing. Just open this site it plays on opening. Much more enjoyable read with that on!

http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/b/h/bhymnotr.htm

[Rohirrim]

Why would he have no clue after a "Do or die" season?

Well, he said Slowitz was coming back too. Doesn't that sound like somebody without a clue? ;D

[BroncsRule]

There is a difference between poor communation and poor public speaking skills, clearly Pat is guilty of the later but I doubt you have a basis to judge that.

Hey Baja, you ol' hippie! How's the haps?

by "poor communication", I mean as a business leader. A good boss at any level communicates openly with a subordinate about performance issues, and works with them on remediation strategies - especially with a valuable employee (like, I dunno, a HOF football coach?) where the business would be better served by retaining the services of said key employee.

A bad boss lets things fester until one day, in a fit of pique, the subordinate is called on the carpet and summarily dismissed in a 5 minute exit interview. Often the subordinate had no idea the situation had deteriorated so far - because of poor communication.

An especially bad boss will do this on the spur of the moment, with absolutely no idea of how he's going to fill the void left in the wake of his temper tantrum.

Bad, bad Boss!! Bad communicator! (Smacks Pat on nose with rolled up newspaper.)

[BroncsRule]

(from the Battle Hymn of the Mane)

"..I do believe that the team is going in the right direction (i. e., being built), and I would not be surprised to see it in the playoffs and more next year and a contender the following year.."



I agree. Oh, wait - who was it that got us going in the right direction again?

[TheReverend]

Well, he said Slowitz was coming back too. Doesn't that sound like somebody without a clue? ;D

"It had nothing to do with the staffing" -Pat Bowlen

[ScottXray]

So which of the " ëxperts" will announce that Bowles is the leading candidate
after todays interview and that the Broncos are "very impressed".

[Play2win]

Obviously, the "Plan" here is the more information, the better.

The more interviews, the more Bowlen & Staff has a chance to listen to, intake, research and analyze the schemes, philosophies and different directions each candidate could possibly go in.

I say, the more interviews, the better...

[baja]

Hey Baja, you ol' hippie! How's the haps?

by "poor communication", I mean as a business leader. A good boss at any level communicates openly with a subordinate about performance issues, and works with them on remediation strategies - especially with a valuable employee (like, I dunno, a HOF football coach?) where the business would be better served by retaining the services of said key employee.

A bad boss lets things fester until one day, in a fit of pique, the subordinate is called on the carpet and summarily dismissed in a 5 minute exit interview. Often the subordinate had no idea the situation had deteriorated so far - because of poor communication.

An especially bad boss will do this on the spur of the moment, with absolutely no idea of how he's going to fill the void left in the wake of his temper tantrum.

Bad, bad Boss!! Bad communicator! (Smacks Pat on nose with rolled up newspaper.)

LOL, I'm gainfully unemployed and that's the way us hippies like it. How about you, long time no read....

You paint an interesting picture but seeing how Pat and Shanny were at Dove Valley every day and were in constant communication (According to Shanny and Pat on more than one occasion) I have to take it on good faith when Shanny himself anointed Bowlen the best owner in all of sports and many of Pat's contemporaries agree with this assessment. A person that is instrumental in negotiating a TV contract for the entire NFL, as Bowlen did, would require some communication skills one would think,no? The only data i have to judge Bowlen on is what others that work with him say and as we both know he continually receives high marks as a NFL team owner.

I'm gonna have to go with those assessments more than anything I, as a distant fan, can assess from the sketchy details of the circumstances surrounding the firing that we gleam from the media.

You should post more ;D

[tsiguy96]

LOL, I'm gainfully unemployed and that's the way us hippies like it. How about you, long time no read....

You paint an interesting picture but seeing how Pat and Shanny were at Dove Valley every day and were in constant communication (According to Shanny and Pat on more than one occasion) I have to take it on good faith when Shanny himself anointed Bowlen the best owner in all of sports and many of Pat's contemporaries agree with this assessment. A person that is instrumental in negotiating a TV contract for the entire NFL, as Bowlen did, would require some communication skills one would think,no? The only data i have to judge Bowlen on is what others that work with him say and as we both know he continually receives high marks as a NFL team owner.

I'm gonna have to go with those assessments more than anything I, as a distant fan, can assess from the sketchy details of the circumstances surrounding the firing that we gleam from the media.

You should post more ;D

we dont use that kind of common sense here. youre supposed to flame him for being an idiot and not knowing what hes doing, not think logically about the situation. idiot.

[BroncsRule]

LOL, I'm gainfully unemployed and that's the way us hippies like it. How about you, long time no read....

You paint an interesting picture but seeing how Pat and Shanny were at Dove Valley every day and were in constant communication (According to Shanny and Pat on more than one occasion) I have to take it on good faith when Shanny himself anointed Bowlen the best owner in all of sports and many of Pat's contemporaries agree with this assessment. A person that is instrumental in negotiating a TV contract for the entire NFL, as Bowlen did, would require some communication skills one would think,no? The only data i have to judge Bowlen on is what others that work with him say and as we both know he continually receives high marks as a NFL team owner.

I'm gonna have to go with those assessments more than anything I, as a distant fan, can assess from the sketchy details of the circumstances surrounding the firing that we gleam from the media.

You should post more ;D

Dude, you're killin' me with the humble pie.. :rofl:

Well, congrats on the unemployment then - at least you have plenty of time to plant a big ol' garden, so when everything goes caplooie, at least you'll eat.

And your point is well taken - Bowlen is a smart guy. It's just that the handling of this thing is, well, un-Bowlen like. There's something else going on behind the scenes besides what's been reported. Ah well, we'll probably never know.

Onward and upward (which isn't gonna be too hard on the D side of the ball - nowhere to go but up from the cellar).

I'm pulling for Spags.

[baja]

Dude, you're killin' me with the humble pie.. :rofl:

Well, congrats on the unemployment then - at least you have plenty of time to plant a big ol' garden, so when everything goes caplooie, at least you'll eat.

And your point is well taken - Bowlen is a smart guy. It's just that the handling of this thing is, well, un-Bowlen like. There's something else going on behind the scenes besides what's been reported. Ah well, we'll probably never know.

Onward and upward (which isn't gonna be too hard on the D side of the ball - nowhere to go but up from the cellar).

I'm pulling for Spags.

Ya I have been saying there is more to this than we know too. When you watch the presser it's hard to not come away with that feeling.

I like Morris or McDaniels.

Spags would be OK too but I don't think he has "10" potential and the other two do. IMO.

I'm learning to sun gauze and get my nourishment directly from the sun thus usurping the need for food. It's the ultimate KISS plan. ;D

[BroncsRule]

Ya I have been saying there is more to this than we know too. When you watch the presser it's hard to not come away with that feeling.

I like Morris or McDaniels.

Spags would be OK too but I don't think he has "10" potential and the other two do. IMO.

I'm learning to sun gauze and get my nourishment directly from the sun thus usurping the need for food. It's the ultimate KISS plan. ;D

McDaniels is 1b for me. Morris=too inexperienced (although I wouldn't mind poaching him for DC if they go with an O guy for HC).

Sun gauzing?? well, as long as it doesn't involve colon cleansing. ;D

Remember to eat a good steak once in a while. You're not a damn cauliflower.

[baja]

McDaniels is 1b for me. Morris=too inexperienced (although I wouldn't mind poaching him for DC if they go with an O guy for HC).

Sun gauzing?? well, as long as it doesn't involve colon cleansing. ;D

Remember to eat a good steak once in a while. You're not a damn cauliflower.

http://www.lifepositive.com/Spirit/Sufism/Sun_Yogi52004.asp

[Dedhed]

It's for HC...they want SB wins...why wouldn't you research who's out there???

Are you imagining they haven't researched every one of these guys?