EPA ‘Cow Tax’ Could Charge $175 per Dairy Cow to Curb Greenhouse Gases

[Garcia Bronco]

EPA ‘Cow Tax’ Could Charge $175 per Dairy Cow to Curb Greenhouse Gases

Jeff Poor
Business & Media Institute
January 5, 2008

Call this one of the newest and innovative the ways your government has come up with to battle greenhouse gas emissions.

Indirectly it could be considered a cheeseburger tax, but one of the suggestions offered by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in its Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (ANPR) for regulating greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act is to levy a tax on livestock.

The ANPR, released early this year, would give the EPA the authority to regulate greenhouse gas for not only greenhouse gas from manmade sources like transportation and industry, but also “stationary” sources which would include livestock.

The New York Farm Bureau assigned a price tag to the cost of greenhouse gas regulation by the EPA in a release last month.

“The tax for dairy cows could be $175 per cow, and $87.50 per head of beef cattle. The tax on hogs would upwards of $20 per hog,” the release said. “Any operation with more than 25 dairy cows, 50 beef cattle or 200 hogs would have to obtain permits.”

Kate Galbraith, correspondent for The New York Times, noted on the Times’ “Green Inc.” blog that such a “proposal is far from being enacted” and that the “hysteria may be premature.”

But Rick Krause, senior director of congressional relations for the American Farm Bureau, warned it’s certainly feasible – especially based on the rhetoric of President-elect Barack Obama and the use of the EPA to combat global warming. Such action by an Obama administration would take an act of Congress for livestock to be exempt.


“The new president has been on record as saying that he really supports regulating greenhouse gases out of the Clean Air Act,” Krause said to the Business & Media Institute. “So, we really have to keep an eye on it. Legislation would really be the only way to exempt it at this point – the cow tax.”

Krause said it is difficult to quantify the cost that might be passed directly to the consumer by farmers from the legislation, but predicted it would mean higher costs for dairy production.

“It’s hard to figure what it would do to consumer prices since farmers, unlike other industries, really can’t pass their cost along directly like utilities and things do,” “About the only thing we could realistically come up, in terms of any of this stuff – it would add between 7 and 8 cents per gallon of milk costs to farmers. So it would cost them 7 or 8 cents more to produce a gallon of milk.”

Even the Department of Agriculture warned the EPA that smaller farms and ranches would have difficulty with limits as much as 100 tons annually on emissions:

“If GHG emissions from agricultural sources are regulated under the CAA, numerous farming operations that currently are not subject to the costly and time-consuming Title V permitting process would, for the first time, become covered entities. Even very small agricultural operations would meet a 100-tons-per-year emissions threshold. For example, dairy facilities with over 25 cows, beef cattle operations of over 50 cattle, swine operations with over 200 hogs, and farms with over 500 acres of corn may need to get a Title V permit. It is neither efficient nor practical to require permitting and reporting of GHG emissions from farms of this size. Excluding only the 200,000 largest commercial farms, our agricultural landscape is comprised of 1.9 million farms with an average value of production of $25,589 on 271 acres. These operations simply could not bear the regulatory compliance costs that would be involved.”

http://www.infowars.com/?p=6973

http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/20...out-a-cow-tax/

[Meck77]

Like I've been saying they are going to find any means possible to tax us going forward. Cattle ranching margins are already razor thin. This would certainly put a lot of farmers/ranchers out of the business.


Meanwhile we're bailing out GM so soccer moms can drive Hummers around that get a few mile per gallon.

[Garcia Bronco]

Like I've been saying they are going to find any means possible to tax us going forward. Cattle ranching margins are already razor thin. This would certainly put a lot of farmers/ranchers out of the business.


Meanwhile we're bailing out GM so soccer moms can drive Hummers around that get a few mile per gallon.

It makes you laugh. The amusing thing is probably the people they claim to want to help so much would hurt the most from something like this.

"I can't get you to agree to my ideas. So I am going to use economic warfare to try and force you to my way of thinking."

[Smiling Assassin27]

Typical for these morons who base these policies on false assumptions, bad science, and a hankering for more money to play with on the Hill. Time to start hiding our cows in underground barns...

[Hotrod]

The poor people they claim to be champions for keep getting kicked in the nuts by the socialist party.

[Rohirrim]

Let me get this straight: We're taxing cow farts?

[Dudeskey]

You kidding me?
http://www.hearseclub.com/alj/picard_wtf.bmp

[Garcia Bronco]

Not just cows, but livestock. Hogs as well.

[Hotrod]

Taxing Hog and Cow farts is stupid. It really cant be done. Who determines the amount of gas given off by each animal??? I say we have a **** tax. That is atleast measureable.

[Rohirrim]

Taxing Hog and Cow farts is stupid. It really cant be done. Who determines the amount of gas given off by each animal??? I say we have a **** tax. That is atleast measureable.

Damn! My wife already wants me to move out into the garage. If they started taxing me for it, I'd really be up **** creek... so to speak.

[bronclvr]

I say we have a **** tax. That is atleast measureable.

Did I mis-read your Post or did you just offer to measure it?

[Hotrod]

Did I mis-read your Post or did you just offer to measure it?

definatly a mis-read :)

[Rohirrim]

Did I mis-read your Post or did you just offer to measure it?

Yeah. Imagine the guy with that job.

[bronclvr]

definatly a mis-read :)

Oh-okay, my bad ;)

[cutthemdown]

I'm more worried about more gas tax. With gas so low there isn't enough money for road upkeep and construction. They may add to it very soon.

[Bob]

EPA ‘Cow Tax’ Could Charge $175 per Dairy Cow to Curb Greenhouse Gases

Jeff Poor
Business & Media Institute
January 5, 2008

Call this one of the newest and innovative the ways your government has come up with to battle greenhouse gas emissions.

Indirectly it could be considered a cheeseburger tax, but one of the suggestions offered by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in its Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (ANPR) for regulating greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act is to levy a tax on livestock.

The ANPR, released early this year, would give the EPA the authority to regulate greenhouse gas for not only greenhouse gas from manmade sources like transportation and industry, but also “stationary” sources which would include livestock.

The New York Farm Bureau assigned a price tag to the cost of greenhouse gas regulation by the EPA in a release last month.

“The tax for dairy cows could be $175 per cow, and $87.50 per head of beef cattle. The tax on hogs would upwards of $20 per hog,” the release said. “Any operation with more than 25 dairy cows, 50 beef cattle or 200 hogs would have to obtain permits.”

Kate Galbraith, correspondent for The New York Times, noted on the Times’ “Green Inc.” blog that such a “proposal is far from being enacted” and that the “hysteria may be premature.”

But Rick Krause, senior director of congressional relations for the American Farm Bureau, warned it’s certainly feasible – especially based on the rhetoric of President-elect Barack Obama and the use of the EPA to combat global warming. Such action by an Obama administration would take an act of Congress for livestock to be exempt.


“The new president has been on record as saying that he really supports regulating greenhouse gases out of the Clean Air Act,” Krause said to the Business & Media Institute. “So, we really have to keep an eye on it. Legislation would really be the only way to exempt it at this point – the cow tax.”

Krause said it is difficult to quantify the cost that might be passed directly to the consumer by farmers from the legislation, but predicted it would mean higher costs for dairy production.

“It’s hard to figure what it would do to consumer prices since farmers, unlike other industries, really can’t pass their cost along directly like utilities and things do,” “About the only thing we could realistically come up, in terms of any of this stuff – it would add between 7 and 8 cents per gallon of milk costs to farmers. So it would cost them 7 or 8 cents more to produce a gallon of milk.”

Even the Department of Agriculture warned the EPA that smaller farms and ranches would have difficulty with limits as much as 100 tons annually on emissions:

“If GHG emissions from agricultural sources are regulated under the CAA, numerous farming operations that currently are not subject to the costly and time-consuming Title V permitting process would, for the first time, become covered entities. Even very small agricultural operations would meet a 100-tons-per-year emissions threshold. For example, dairy facilities with over 25 cows, beef cattle operations of over 50 cattle, swine operations with over 200 hogs, and farms with over 500 acres of corn may need to get a Title V permit. It is neither efficient nor practical to require permitting and reporting of GHG emissions from farms of this size. Excluding only the 200,000 largest commercial farms, our agricultural landscape is comprised of 1.9 million farms with an average value of production of $25,589 on 271 acres. These operations simply could not bear the regulatory compliance costs that would be involved.”

http://www.infowars.com/?p=6973

http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/20...out-a-cow-tax/

Well its intellectually consistant -- if one is a convert to the new 21st century Druid faith.

[watermock]

They've allready got the RFID tag plan in place.

[watermock]

Just another tool to make the family farm extinct.

[Bronco Bob]

Methane(CH4) is a much stronger Greenhouse gas than CO2.

[broncocalijohn]

Methane(CH4) is a much stronger Greenhouse gas than CO2.

who cares (on topic)? Business and those that eat meat will feel the pain on this tax and how much will it help? Minimal and it will cost jobs. Another stupid plan by good doers.

[Garcia Bronco]

Methane(CH4) is a much stronger Greenhouse gas than CO2.

So do you support this proposal by the EPA?

[bronclvr]

What's next? Taxing Volcanos and Forest Fires?

[Hotrod]

Thank God I hunt for 90% of the meat in my freezer.

[Garcia Bronco]

Thank God I hunt for 90% of the meat in my freezer.

Interesting. What if the EPA says you as a hunter are responsible for this tax as well? Technically they could say you fall under this proposal.

[Hotrod]

Interesting. What if the EPA says you as a hunter are responsible for this tax as well? Technically they could say you fall under this proposal.

Good point.

I worry much more about new laws that are being pushed that would make me register ammo purchases and tax the **** out of ammo. Also some states are trying to limit the amount you can own and make reloading illegal.

Cant take my guns so they attack my ammo........

[Garcia Bronco]

Good point.

I worry much more about new laws that are being pushed that would make me register ammo purchases and tax the **** out of ammo. Also some states are trying to limit the amount you can own and make reloading illegal.

Cant take my guns so they attack my ammo........

It's the chicken**** nature of these clowns. They can't take on the ideals of the second amendment straight up so they try all this sideways bull**** trying to play semantics.

[TailgateNut]

Why just Dairy Cows???

[ghwk]

Seriously if they are going to do this right they need to bureaucratize it more by breaking the tax down by individual cow weight. This would mean that every two weeks you have to weigh your cows, send the gov. the data and then get taxed accordingly. Farmers caught cutting the horns off the cows to keep the tax down will be charged an additional animal cruelty tax.

[Rohirrim]

Why not tie big plastic bags to the cows' asses and collect the methane for later use? ;D

[Paladin]

Best idea yet. Also put a laaaaaaarge plastic bag on Hotrods' mouth, and the hot air can be used to heat the Senate Office Building. The halitosis won't matter there.......

[Hotrod]

Best idea yet. Also put a laaaaaaarge plastic bag on Hotrods' mouth, and the hot air can be used to heat the Senate Office Building. The halitosis won't matter there.......

Great Idea errr wait the **** a minute Ha!

[Garcia Bronco]

Why just Dairy Cows???

It's not. They'd do all livestock. Hogs, Cattle, and diary cows

[Spider]

have you guys ever seen a dairy or a hog farm ? reading from the posting here , you guys picture wide open spaces , thats not the case , some dairy farms try to fit 500 head of Holsteins , milking short horns , and brown swiss to a pen , Holsteins are by far the most popular breed of dairy cow , some can give up over 5 gallons of milk per milinking , and some are milked 3 times a day , hog farms are no better , I have seen 30 head of hogs per a pen ( outside of Hardin Colorado @ the hog farm ) these farmers ( and lets be honest here , we are not talking about the family diary farm , we are talking cooperate farms ) cram as much as they can into the smallest place they can fit it , pay **** wages, they pump these animals up to the hilt with artificial hormones, weight supplements etc ... ...... you walk next to a pen of 30 + head of hogs while they are farting , well you get the idea

[Spider]

i think this is a huge problem , people dont look at the issue , they just see one side and bam , Back when I was cow mobiling for Bell Creek out of Dodge City Kansas ( man that is going back in time ) I got to see first hand how alot of these farms and slaughter houses work , some of the things I saw would literally make you stop eating meat ....the Family Farm is still the best farm , if you get the chance , always buy from a family farm , you know the goods you are getting is top notch , most of these can be found at Butcher shops , famers markets etc ........
Yeah the idea of taxing Cow and pig farts might seem a little ridiculous , but something has to be done to nail these cooperate farms , and save the family farm , of course a politician cant come out and say he is gunning for cooperate farms , but this bill intends to do just that .......

[Spider]

Seriously if they are going to do this right they need to bureaucratize it more by breaking the tax down by individual cow weight. This would mean that every two weeks you have to weigh your cows, send the gov. the data and then get taxed accordingly. Farmers caught cutting the horns off the cows to keep the tax down will be charged an additional animal cruelty tax.

and you think there is a run on yearlings now ? this would be disastrous of a bill ........ cutting off the horns is no more cruel then cutting your fingernails ,Besides cutting their horns when you cram 500+ head into a pen not only saves their lives , but very well could save the feedlot hand ......
Ok lets say this version of the bill passes , cows do most of their shrinking ( well over 10%)for the 1 st 50 miles or an hour , stop feeding and watering them 2 hours before weight ....... your plan is shot .......

[Hotrod]

have you guys ever seen a dairy or a hog farm ? reading from the posting here , you guys picture wide open spaces , thats not the case , some dairy farms try to fit 500 head of Holsteins , milking short horns , and brown swiss to a pen , Holsteins are by far the most popular breed of dairy cow , some can give up over 5 gallons of milk per milinking , and some are milked 3 times a day , hog farms are no better , I have seen 30 head of hogs per a pen ( outside of Hardin Colorado @ the hog farm ) these farmers ( and lets be honest here , we are not talking about the family diary farm , we are talking cooperate farms ) cram as much as they can into the smallest place they can fit it , pay **** wages, they pump these animals up to the hilt with artificial hormones, weight supplements etc ... ...... you walk next to a pen of 30 + head of hogs while they are farting , well you get the idea

Kind of reminds me of the berthing areas in the Navy minus the growth hormones of course. 30 men in a area smaller then some master bedrooms. Talk about some serious stink.

[Spider]

Kind of reminds me of the berthing areas in the Navy minus the growth hormones of course. 30 men in a area smaller then some master bedrooms. Talk about some serious stink.

LOL .......or 4 truck divers in one bathroom .......

[Spider]

Kind of reminds me of the berthing areas i the Navy minus the growth hormones of course. 30 men in a area smaller then some master bedrooms. Talk about some serious stink.

LOL for some reason this memory popped up , I was at the National Hog farms ( Hardin Colorado) back in 93 , Me Jolly , Bill ,Dwayne , Charlie , and mike , was all waiting to load , when we saw this old man , Hitting these pigs as hard as he could on the snout ....... Finally I walk up and ask him , WTF are you doing ? He said break their noses , they cant fight , dont they teach you kids anything ? I chuckled said guess not , but it makes sense ...And no I didnt break the pigs I loaded noses ;D

[ghwk]

and you think there is a run on yearlings now ? this would be disastrous of a bill ........ cutting off the horns is no more cruel then cutting your fingernails ,Besides cutting their horns when you cram 500+ head into a pen not only saves their lives , but very well could save the feedlot hand ......
Ok lets say this version of the bill passes , cows do most of their shrinking ( well over 10%)for the 1 st 50 miles or an hour , stop feeding and watering them 2 hours before weight ....... your plan is shot .......

The whole post was a joke. The taxation is a joke. How the slaughter animals are treated is not a joke.

[Spider]

The whole post was a joke. The taxation is a joke. How the slaughter animals are treated is not a joke.

;D ok , well in my defense I am in billings Montana right now , so it is hard to have a sense of humor ;D

[Hotrod]

The whole post was a joke. The taxation is a joke. How the slaughter animals are treated is not a joke.

Then you should protest and stop eating pigs, chickens, eggs, milk, beef, turkey, duck, butter, etc etc....

I agree the treatment should be improved but some old hog farmer from back in the day doing things like his grandpappy did is in the past.

[Spider]

Then you should protest and stop eating pigs, chickens, eggs, milk, beef, turkey, duck, butter, etc etc....

I agree the treatment should be improved but some old hog farmer from back in the day doing things like his grandpappy did is in the past.

Actually those guys you talk about do it right , it is brown and Swift , Farmland , etc ...... that i got a problem with , ole granpappys ways are still the best ;D
well I would advise not eating hot dogs .Bologna , ans spam ;D Lips ,azzholes and udders

[ghwk]

Actually those guys you talk about do it right , it is brown and Swift , Farmland , etc ...... that i got a problem with , ole granpappys ways are still the best ;D
well I would advise not eating hot dogs .Bologna , ans spam ;D Lips ,azzholes and udders

So next time I want a hotdog at the ball game I should just go order a foot long pigs a$$?

[Hotrod]

So next time I want a hotdog at the ball game I should just go order a foot long pigs a$$?


LOL that about sums it up.

That said who can go to the game with out having a 6 dollar ass on a bun and 8 dollar beer???

[ghwk]

;D ok , well in my defense I am in billings Montana right now , so it is hard to have a sense of humor ;D

Billings, yuk. Ennis and the Madison River Valley :thumbs: :thumbs:

[Spider]

well i am nailed in Laurel Mt .. no brake lights , will be here at the Port of entry for the next few hours .........

[baja]

Awesome web site, if you still drink milk check this out.


http://www.notmilk.com/

[Spider]

Billings, yuk. Ennis and the Madison River Valley :thumbs: :thumbs:

I came up through Ennis , I 15 , to 20 , to 287 , to 84 .........;D

[Rigs11]

the meat industry is one of the biggest polluters. look it up, the waste produced by hog farms pollutes our streams.

http://www.edf.org/documents/2535_FactSheet_HogMyths.pdf

http://ecosyn.us/ecocity/Links/My_Links_Pages/Hog_Pollution.html

[Rigs11]

Meet your meat.

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[Bob]

Thank God I hunt for 90% of the meat in my freezer.

Deers fart too -- I say the left will tax you more 1st when you buy new guns, and with each bambie you kill....

[Dudeskey]

well i am nailed in Laurel Mt .. no brake lights , will be here at the Port of entry for the next few hours .........

My wagon had burned out tail lights on the left side a couple nights ago (damn mag. chloride). Fortunately I had a second set above my DOT bumper, so Mr. DOT let me slide for that... More wiring work for our Merritt guy though ;D

[Hotrod]

Deers fart too -- I say the left will tax you more 1st when you buy new guns, and with each bambie you kill....

The young tender ones are my favorite

[Dudeskey]

The young tender ones are my favorite

I'm sorry I wasted food and hit a fawn a couple weeks ago... the little **** ****ed up the right side of my bumper ;D

[Hotrod]

I'm sorry I wasted food and hit a fawn a couple weeks ago... the little **** ****ed up the right side of my bumper ;D

Damn dude that one was already made into hamburger Ha!

[Garcia Bronco]

I just farted. Who do I pay?

[ghwk]

I just farted. Who do I pay?

Me, you pay me. About a grand I'd say for that one. Keep 'em coming but stay wherever you are.

[Dudeskey]

I just farted. Who do I pay?

Designate a jar to put money in for now for each time you fart... It'll fund farts that may be retroactively taxed in the future. It'll be your fart jar

[Bob]

have you guys ever seen a dairy or a hog farm ? reading from the posting here , you guys picture wide open spaces , thats not the case , some dairy farms try to fit 500 head of Holsteins , milking short horns , and brown swiss to a pen , Holsteins are by far the most popular breed of dairy cow , some can give up over 5 gallons of milk per milinking , and some are milked 3 times a day , hog farms are no better , I have seen 30 head of hogs per a pen ( outside of Hardin Colorado @ the hog farm ) these farmers ( and lets be honest here , we are not talking about the family diary farm , we are talking cooperate farms ) cram as much as they can into the smallest place they can fit it , pay **** wages, they pump these animals up to the hilt with artificial hormones, weight supplements etc ... ...... you walk next to a pen of 30 + head of hogs while they are farting , well you get the idea

To me this seems like an ethical problem, in the treatment of animals, and also perhaps a health issue -- but the root of this in my mind is using teh pretense of looming global distaster, when it has much more to do with getting money from various out-of favor industries. If the money (yours and mine really, if you eat meat) starts to come in from these taxes, where will it go? Heaven knows it will not go to solve (in large measure) the pretended problem, the money will be shifted by the government to various programs or projects -- again another example of the government stripping capitalism of the power it has to feed us.

[ElwayMD]

This is just another stupid "knee-jerk" proposal that takes the discussion from one extreme to another. Well methane gas is bad...I know tax the **** out of the farmer so they can't afford to do their job. While waste from hog/cow/chicken farms can be a nuisance (just ask my brother two years ago his water was shut off for 2 months because off runoff from a Hog farm in Maryland) why not reward the ingenuity of the American people by offering a reward for a solution to waste on farms? Taxing the problem only creates more problems.

[Bronco Bob]

Interesting. What if the EPA says you as a hunter are responsible for this tax as well? Technically they could say you fall under this proposal.

No, wild animals eat a natural diet, and so are less prone to farting.
It's all the crap they feed livestock to fatten them up that makes
them fart.

[W*GS]

No, wild animals eat a natural diet, and so are less prone to farting.
It's all the crap they feed livestock to fatten them up that makes
them fart.

Same goes for us.

[W*GS]

have you guys ever seen a dairy or a hog farm ?

I've been to a hog farm. OMG it was ****ing stinky! Saw a pig drinking the fresh pee (straight from the source) from another pig.

If anyone has seen one of those PETA videos from the standard factory farms in this country, you'll vomit and then become a vegan.

[epicSocialism4tw]

As is usually the problem, these bureaucrat cats are hiding the fact under the "moral" issue. These guys propose a controversial moral issue (global warming in this case) to get a law passed that RAISES THE PRICE OF YOUR FOOD.

[baja]

I've been to a hog farm. OMG it was ****ing stinky! Saw a pig drinking the fresh pee (straight from the source) from another pig.

If anyone has seen one of those PETA videos from the standard factory farms in this country, you'll vomit and then become a vegan.

Are you a vegan W*GS?

[Spider]

I've been to a hog farm. OMG it was ****ing stinky! Saw a pig drinking the fresh pee (straight from the source) from another pig.

If anyone has seen one of those PETA videos from the standard factory farms in this country, you'll vomit and then become a vegan.

Cows and Chickens will do the exact same thing ....I have seen these Animals urinate in the same water and food they consume .......factory farms are the worst of the bunch ...........Go visit a kill floor once , best one I ever saw was a kosher butcher shop in Upstate new york ......

[watermock]

Best you mean what? Ha!

[Spider]

Best you mean what? Ha!

Cleanness, quick kill , processing .........

[watermock]

Kinda like a Bar Mitzva only more rad?, like kosher pork?

Kosher Pork

THE KOSHER PORK or CAN PORK REALLY BE KOSHER??!!
(Also Known As "Stephen Jerome's Personal Passover Story")

Passover is about to arrive. I am reminded of something which happened several years ago. Passover was a week away. I had just read that during Passover, Jewish dog owners could only keep dog foods which were free of
chometz. I was (and am) the proud owner of a dog, so I sought rabbinical advice.
The rabbi read from a list of permitted dog foods. One of the brands on the list was a "beef and bacon." Bacon comes from the pig. How could this be, I asked? Why would an Orthodox Rabbi instruct me to bring a pork product into my home.
The rabbi asked me, "Are you buying this for yourself to eat or for your dog?" He explained that it is not forbidden for Jews to possess pork. It was only forbidden for Jews to eat pork products. He went on to explain that the Talmud expressly states that if a Jew has pork, he should feed it to the dog. Since I had a dog, this would follow the Talmudic instruction.
The rabbi also noted that this rule was in contrast to feeding the dog a mixture of milk and meat. Jews are expressly prohibited from deriving any benefit from mixing milk and meat. That, he explained, included feeding it to a dog. Over the next days I began to question: Why would the Talmud expressly direct Jews to feed pork to the dogs? Certainly, the Talmud would not direct a Jew to perform an act that violates the laws of Kashruth.
I sought a clue from the Midrash (a compilation of Rabbinic literature from roughly 400 to 1200 C.E). The Torah states that just before imposing the Tenth Plague upon the Egyptians (killing of the first born), God told Moses that while there would be loud wailing throughout Egypt, but that where the Hebrews lived, not even a dog would bark.

[NaptownChief]

I've got an American Bulldog that farts all the time. Even though he might be the best dog in the world I probably should consider having him put down. To think that he is responsible for destroying the earth is just too much burden for him to have to live with.