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Smiling Assassin27
01-05-2009, 02:43 PM
Man, it's gonna get fugly up there...Let the race war and Democratic civil war begin in earnest!

Secretary of the Senate rejects Burris appointment
Posted: 01:12 PM ET

From CNN Senior Congressional Correspondent Dana Bash


The Secretary of the Senate rejected Roland Burris' appointment because the Illinois secretary of state did not sign his certificate of appointment.

(CNN) – The secretary of the U.S. Senate on Monday rejected the certificiate of appointment for Roland Burris, named by Illinois' controversial governor to fill Barack Obama's Senate seat, according to an aide to the secretary.

The aide said Secretary of the Senate Nancy Erickson rejected Burris' appointment because it does not conform with the Senate rule requiring that the secretary of state — in this case, Illinois Secretary of State Jesse White — must sign the certificate of appointment along with the governor.

White has declined to sign the certificate, siding with some Senate Democrats who say Burris should not be seated because of the cloud over Gov. Rod Blagojevich, who is accused of trying to sell Obama's Senate seat.

According to a Democratic source and a Democratic Senate leadership aide, without the signed certificate Burris will be denied access to the Senate floor.

But Burris insists he has the legal right to serve as senator, and has said he will appear at the Senate's door Tuesday.

"I am going (to Washington) to be seated. I am the junior senator from the state of Illinois — that's all I can say," he said Monday at an airport news conference in Chicago before leaving for Washington.

'Appointment is legal,' says Burris

He said he is not bothered by controversy surrounding his appointment by Blagojevich because "the appointment is legal. What has been done here is legal."

Pressed by reporters on what he would do if he is refused admission to the Senate floor, Burris said, "If I am turned away, my lawyers will take it from there and we'll see what happens."

He said he has not been contacted by anyone from the Obama team, and he insisted that he is not upset at the situation surrounding his appointment.

Watch Burris today on The Situation Room beginning at 4 pm ET


"I'm not angry with anybody," Burris said. "In fact, I'm enjoying this on behalf of the people of Illinois."


Senate Democratic leaders have scheduled a meeting with him Wednesday.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said lawmakers have the legal authority to block Burris' appointment, but Reid has also left open the possibility that Burris could be seated.

Burris said he will meet with Reid on Wednesday.

"I will tell him I'm here to take my seat," he said.

Burris, 71, is one of Illinois' most accomplished African-American politicians.

He maintains that the governor's problems have nothing to do with him, and says he's not concerned about the political cloud hanging over his selection.

"I am the duly appointed, legally appointed United States senator from the state ofIllinois, and I certainly expect that the senators will recognize that and do not deny Illinois its equal representation as we get under way in this 111th Congress," he told CNN on Sunday.

"It is my hope and prayer that they will certainly have gotten the message that what the governor has done regarding his problems, they're not my problems, there's no taint on me, he has carried out his constitutional duty and found a person who was qualified to fill that vacancy, and that's what he's done."

Reid said Sunday that Blagojevich's appointment is "tainted," considering the charges against the governor.

"Blagojevich obviously is a corrupt individual. I think that's pretty clear. And the reason that he's done what he's done is to divert attention from the arrest that was just made of him and the indictments that will be coming in a few days according to the U.S. attorney in Illinois," Reid said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

Senate leaders questioning the appointment cite Article 1, Section 5 of the U.S. Constitution, which states, "Each house shall be the judge of the elections, returns and qualifications of its own members."

Those leaders say the problem is that the pick was made by the potentially tainted governor; the problem isn't Burris himself.

Reid said Blagojevich should step down, and then Illinois Lt. Gov. Pat Quinn could name someone — including Burris — to fill Obama's Senate seat.

Asked whether he would refuse to seat Burris should he try to claim a seat in the Senate, Reid responded, "We are going to do what we have to do."

"We're going to follow all legal precedents. … We're pretty clear on what we believe is the law and the precedent in the United States Senate. … Democrats and Republicans determine who is going to sit in the Senate," he said.

But Reid left the door open to a possible compromise resolution that might avert a confrontation with Burris and a growing grass-roots effort led by some black politicians and community leaders in Illinois.

Reid said he plans to meet Wednesday with Burris and Illinois' sitting senator, Richard Durbin.

"I'm an old trial lawyer," he told NBC's David Gregory. "There's always room to negotiate."

Crushaholic
01-05-2009, 02:46 PM
How did the Secretary of State neglect to sign his certificate of appointment?:rofl:

Rules are rules, though....

Garcia Bronco
01-05-2009, 02:49 PM
"We're going to follow all legal precedents. … We're pretty clear on what we believe is the law and the precedent in the United States Senate. … Democrats and Republicans determine who is going to sit in the Senate," he said.

-Harry Reid

I would like to see the rest of this quote. It smacks of the kinda bull**** that's wrong with our Government

Hotrod
01-05-2009, 02:49 PM
How did the Secretary of State neglect to sign his certificate of appointment?:rofl:

Rules are rules, though....

He actually refused to sign it.

Smiling Assassin27
01-05-2009, 02:50 PM
How did the Secretary of State neglect to sign his certificate of appointment?:rofl:

Rules are rules, though....

Musta slipped his mind...;D

I'll be shocked if Burris actually gets seated, but then I was shocked (but wholly indifferent politically) that Coleman pulled an '08 Denver Broncos and lost his seat.

Fedaykin
01-05-2009, 03:33 PM
How dare those nasty senate liberals follow the law, they should just ignore it like good conservatives!

It's pretty simple, the Ill. governer is accused of trying to sell the senate seat, and because of that the Ill. SoState is refusing to sign off on the gov's tainted appointment.

Smiling Assassin27
01-05-2009, 03:43 PM
How dare those nasty senate liberals follow the law, they should just ignore it like good conservatives!

It's pretty simple, the Ill. governer is accused of trying to sell the senate seat, and because of that the Ill. SoState is refusing to sign off on the gov's tainted appointment.

The question is whether this refusal is a proper application of the law or a matter of the Secretary taking the law into his/her own hands.

cutthemdown
01-05-2009, 06:25 PM
How did the Secretary of State neglect to sign his certificate of appointment?:rofl:

Rules are rules, though....

he refused to sign because of political pressure.

SonOfLe-loLang
01-06-2009, 10:22 AM
This whole thing is getting embarrassing and has really been handled wrong by both sides. You know Blago is sitting in his office, laughing, enjoying this entire thing though.

Dudeskey
01-06-2009, 11:53 AM
I was kinda hoping he'd be a dickhead and appoint a Republican

cutthemdown
01-06-2009, 02:49 PM
This whole thing is getting embarrassing and has really been handled wrong by both sides. You know Blago is sitting in his office, laughing, enjoying this entire thing though.

I doubt he's real happy right now but you never know. What would have been funny is if had he appointed himself.

Bob
01-06-2009, 04:23 PM
How dare those nasty senate liberals follow the law, they should just ignore it like good conservatives!

It's pretty simple, the Ill. governer is accused of trying to sell the senate seat, and because of that the Ill. SoState is refusing to sign off on the gov's tainted appointment.

They are doing the right thing by not seating him ... the gov stuff needs to be resolved...

cutthemdown
01-06-2009, 07:11 PM
There are doing the right thing by not seating him ... the gov stuff needs to be resolved...

Yes but it also sets the precedent. If they don't seat him from that point on any gov who has any type of criminal chargers pending, or some other scandal they can draw a comparison and block the appointee.

Remember politicians and the govt is all about what they can use to make political ploys. Just blocking an appointee for a month or so could be a huge weapon to use.

Bronco Bob
01-06-2009, 07:46 PM
How dare those nasty senate liberals follow the law, they should just ignore it like good conservatives!


What law are they following?



It's pretty simple, the Ill. governer is accused of trying to sell the senate seat, and because of that the Ill. SoState is refusing to sign off on the gov's tainted appointment.

And there is the key word. Accused. He hasn't been convicted of anything
yet. He hasn't even been indicted. He is still the governor, and can still
appoint anyone he wants to, and it is perfectly legal.

Bob
01-06-2009, 08:02 PM
Yes but it also sets the precedent. If they don't seat him from that point on any gov who has any type of criminal chargers pending, or some other scandal they can draw a comparison and block the appointee.

Remember politicians and the govt is all about what they can use to make political ploys. Just blocking an appointee for a month or so could be a huge weapon to use.

I hear you, perhaps there could be a simple standard on this type of thing -- like if formal felony charges? It just feel like an intentional circus, while Rome burns around us.

Bob
01-06-2009, 08:06 PM
What law are they following?




And there is the key word. Accused. He hasn't been convicted of anything
yet. He hasn't even been indicted. He is still the governor, and can still
appoint anyone he wants to, and it is perfectly legal.

It may be legal (I honestly dont know) but it is still not ethical that some guy who is pimping such a powerful seat should still be able to appoint anyone to office. Why are you taking this stance?

cutthemdown
01-06-2009, 08:09 PM
I hear you, perhaps there could be a simple standard on this type of thing -- like if formal felony charges? It just feel like an intentional circus, while Rome burns around us.

The way Republicans are you know they would use it again later if it suited them, even if the governor in question had charges not near as serious as this.

Obviously a good argument could be the fraud or criminal charges have to pertain to the appointment process.

If the Democrats would otherwise not have a problem with Burris I would just seat him. Is there maybe something else they don't like about him?

If the tables were turned and this was going on in NY, then Patterson appointed Kennedy would dems still do this?

Spider
01-06-2009, 08:26 PM
Who in the **** cares

Meck77
01-06-2009, 08:30 PM
Who in the **** cares

A crooked governor tried to sell a seat to the Senate and we shouldn't care? I'm guessing you are being are sarcastic?

Spider
01-06-2009, 08:35 PM
A crooked governor tried to sell a seat to the Senate and we shouldn't care? I'm guessing you are being are sarcastic?
I just dont give a **** .......... Everyone knows what Blago did ....let him keep trying to seat someone ...Alert me when someone is accepted , then we will talk about it ........

Meck77
01-06-2009, 08:37 PM
I just dont give a **** .......... Everyone knows what Blago did ....let him keep trying to seat someone ...Alert me when someone is accepted , then we will talk about it ........

okie dokie

ak1971
01-06-2009, 08:50 PM
What law are they following?




And there is the key word. Accused. He hasn't been convicted of anything
yet. He hasn't even been indicted. He is still the governor, and can still
appoint anyone he wants to, and it is perfectly legal.

Agreed He is within the laws to appoint who he wants..he hasnt been convicted of anything yet. I could see this becoming a big mess of states rights.

Bronco Bob
01-06-2009, 09:07 PM
It may be legal (I honestly dont know) but it is still not ethical that some guy who is pimping such a powerful seat should still be able to appoint anyone to office. Why are you taking this stance?

Because the Democratic leadership in the Senate is acting like a bunch
of damn fools. Burris in eminently qualified to be a Senator. And yes,
Blago is probably guilty, but until someone proves it, he is still the governor.
And this country's economy and the middle-east is going to hell, so
we need the Senate to have full membership and get their asses in gear
and start working to solve these problems. Not stand around having
a pissing contest over who is right.

Smiling Assassin27
01-07-2009, 08:12 AM
AP News Alert

WASHINGTON (AP) - Senate Democrats plan to accept Roland Burris for President-elect Barack Obama's vacant seat.


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D95ICKUO0&show_article=1&catnum=0

Smiling Assassin27
01-07-2009, 08:14 AM
Gee, I wonder why Harry Reid had such a complete change of heart after bleating on for a week about NEVER letting this happen.

Bronco Bob
01-12-2009, 06:50 PM
US Senate Will Seat Roland Burris


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Senate officials on Monday approved Roland
Burris to fill the Senate seat vacated by President-elect Barack Obama (http://www.reuters.com/news/globalcoverage/barackobama),
which would give Democrats 58 of the Senate's 100 seats,
their biggest majority since 1981.
Barring unanticipated objections from Senate Republicans, Burris,
appointed to the seat by embattled Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich,
could be sworn in within days.
The decision was a major about-face by the Democratic leadership,
which initially vowed that the December appointment would not stand
because Blagojevich had been arrested on charges of having earlier tried
to sell the seat.
Obama had backed that decision. But he later agreed with Senate
Democratic Leader Harry Reid on the need to find "an amicable solution"
to remove the matter as a possible distraction to a busy Democratic
legislative agenda, a party aide said.
On Friday, the Illinois Supreme Court ruled the appointment of Burris
was valid. But Democrats said they would not seat him until the appointment
was certified by Illinois Secretary of State Jesse White.
While White refused to certify the appointment, he signed a statement
after the court ruling certifying that the governor's appointment letter was
legally filed with the state.
That appeared to satisfy the secretary of the Senate, who had last
week rejected Burris' credentials as incomplete.
"The secretary of the Senate has determined that the new credentials
presented today on behalf of Mr. Burris now satisfy Senate Rules and
validate his appointment," Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid and
Assistant Senate Democratic Leader Dick Durbin said in a joint statement.

http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSTRE50B6PY20090112

watermock
01-12-2009, 08:45 PM
Chicago

This is change?

Bronco Bob
01-12-2009, 09:27 PM
Chicago

This is change?

Obama was the Senator. Now Burris is the Senator. Sounds like a change to me.