Next Year: Williams or Woodyard?

[Popps]

Who would you like to see lined up at WLB for the defensive re-build going forward?

Let's assume we have only one option for the sake of the poll. We can keep Woodyard or Williams. One of them is traded/released.

Vote away.

[Beantown Bronco]

Are you drafting a new WLB in this scenario?

[Popps]

Are you drafting a new WLB in this scenario?

I'm thinking you meant MLB, and the answer is yes. We sign or draft a real MLB (in theory).

So, it's a one or the other poll. No "moving one to safety or SAM, etc."

[PRBronco]

Keep DJ at Will, get Wesley Windham Woodyard III on the field, at mike or Sam.

*edit* Just read Popps' post, if it's one or the other, I think we have to stick with DJ for now, as much as I love Woodyard.

[Taco John]

I don't want either of them at SAM.

[Beantown Bronco]

I'm thinking you meant MLB, and the answer is yes. We sign or draft a real MLB (in theory).

So, it's a one or the other poll. No "moving one to safety or SAM, etc."

No, I didn't mean MLB. Look at your original post. You said that one of them has to play SAM and the other leaves. You said nothing about WLB, but now I'm thinking you meant to type WLB.

[MVP-06]

Draft Rey Rey for MLB
dj at will (he isn't going anywhere with that contract, get over it)
sadly I believe Bailey will be our Sam until injured, but I prefer Winborn ( I think WW is to small for SAM)

[Popps]

No, I didn't mean MLB. Look at your original post. You said that one of them has to play SAM and the other leaves. You said nothing about WLB, but now I'm thinking you meant to type WLB.

SORRY!

Yep..... WLB is what I meant.

Fixed.

[montrose]

Woodyard is far too raw, let him play special teams and play as a reserve. He's got talent, but takes terrible angles, can't scrape and has very bad influence steps. He also has "bad hips" when blitzing, which is why he was so ineffective as a blitzer, a big deal if we hire Spags. I think WW could develop into a starting WLB in a few years, but he's not ready - especially over a guy like DJ.

[chaz]

I know he didn't like it, but is DJ a solid SAM? I don't pretend to be able to evaluate block-shedding etc...

EDIT: either way you don't take DJ out of the lineup...as exciting as Wesley was. Strong LB depth will continue to improve our ST play.

[MVP-06]

Woodyard is far too raw, let him play special teams and play as a reserve. He's got talent, but takes terrible angles, can't scrape and has very bad influence steps. He also has "bad hips" when blitzing, which is why he was so ineffective as a blitzer, a big deal if we hire Spags. I think WW could develop into a starting WLB in a few years, but he's not ready - especially over a guy like DJ.

diddo :thumbs:

[Taco John]

This is just a guess - but I'm guessing that DJ has some sort of positional clause that keeps him from being juggled around the field from position to position, year after year. This is what I would have suggested if I were his agent, knowing that DJ's bread and butter position is WLB, and he's not going to make any money over the long haul at either MLB or SAM. Also, the fact that he wasn't moved this year when Woodyard came on, despite having experience at both positions.

[Taco John]

I know he didn't like it, but is DJ a solid SAM? I don't pretend to be able to evaluate block-shedding etc...



He was unexceptional there. Most WLBs moved to SAM would be. They're WLBs for a reason - that reason mostly being they're not big enough to be SAMs.

[socalorado]

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WWIII to WILL
DJ to SAM.

[DivineLegion]

We go Mays in the first and Spikes in the second.

[tsiguy96]

We go Mays in the first and Spikes in the second.

i doubt spikes is there....imagine if we traded up to get 2 first round defenders however..

[jmz313]

Spikes will be taken in 1st. trade DJ, he'll never be anything more in the blue and orange. He might still have some value (3rd?) but that contract is gonna be tough to unload.

[Rock Chalk]

Woodyard is far too raw, let him play special teams and play as a reserve. He's got talent, but takes terrible angles, can't scrape and has very bad influence steps. He also has "bad hips" when blitzing, which is why he was so ineffective as a blitzer, a big deal if we hire Spags. I think WW could develop into a starting WLB in a few years, but he's not ready - especially over a guy like DJ.

LOL, as if DJ is a great blitzer or something.

[ANIMAL24]

ww3

[Bronx33]

Keep both DJ is a quite leader i really don't see him being a loud in your face leader but the guy lead by example this year as far as woodyard is concerned he just might be that loud in your face leader that could change a game with one huge hit. Woodyard has certainly earned an opportunity to show his stuff and it would be damn shame if hes doesn't get that shot, heck i thought he deserved some gametime based on his preseason play and we were kinda fortunate to have gotten to see him at all via injuries.

[Drek]

DJ, Woodyard had a couple good games but the odds of it being worth anything long term aren't great. We know when healthy DJ is a good player across the board at LB, and when healthy at WLB he's looked like a borderline pro-bowler.

In the real world though we do get to keep both, and even then it might not matter. If we move to a 3-4 DJ will have to be moved inside and it'll be tough to find any place to play Woodyard.

[Rock Chalk]

DJ, Woodyard had a couple good games but the odds of it being worth anything long term aren't great. We know when healthy DJ is a good player across the board at LB, and when healthy at WLB he's looked like a borderline pro-bowler.

In the real world though we do get to keep both, and even then it might not matter. If we move to a 3-4 DJ will have to be moved inside and it'll be tough to find any place to play Woodyard.

DJ may be a fine tackler down field but he doenst cover well and he doesnt blitz well and he's at his ceiling.

He cant shoot gaps well and he still overpursues. A solid WLB yes, a playmaker he is not. Woodyard was a playmaker though and IF given the choice Id take Woodyard over DJ.

Now, I do take into account that DJ has had piss poor coaching in the NFL and that he could be a fantastic playmaker with much better coaching, but as it stands right now without knowing who we are hiring as HC or who our DC will be or any of that other business, Woodyard would be better for the team long term.

[WolfpackGuy]

They need to get both on the field somehow.
Tailor the defense to the few who will still be around next year.

[jmz313]

Jezz, lots of blind DJ love. the guy is definitly not a leader. I can;t imagine what would lead anyone to say that. as For biltzing, did we biltz at all this year?

Woodyard show all the reasons he is likely to be a good LB in the NFL. He looked instintive and made the play. He made more solo Plays behind the LOS in his 3 games then the rest of the team combinded. He rarely missed a tackle and always played hard till the whistle blew. Most of his play was also against Playoff teams which we went 2-1 against in his starts. miami, Atl, NYJ.

[Rohirrim]

Or, you could bring in Romeo, switch over to a 3/4, put DJ and Moss on the outsides and Larsen and WWIII on the insides. Still, need to find a NT.

[MVP-06]

We go Mays in the first and Spikes in the second.

I don't think Spikes falls past the 1st. I do, hwoever think Laurinitis has a chance of being the Dan Morgan of this years draft. I think he slips to the 2 round. Im going to be watching him closely in tonights game.

[Bronx33]

DJ, Woodyard had a couple good games but the odds of it being worth anything long term aren't great. We know when healthy DJ is a good player across the board at LB, and when healthy at WLB he's looked like a borderline pro-bowler.

In the real world though we do get to keep both, and even then it might not matter. If we move to a 3-4 DJ will have to be moved inside and it'll be tough to find any place to play Woodyard.



Let's see what he can do with a real DC ;D

[nickademus]

IMHO Draft Spikes sign Bart Scott and then let DJ and WWIII battle it out for the WLB spot. Moving DJ will be tough since he is going to have surgery and he just signed that new deal and WWIII is cheap and will be here for a while so no real rush no matter what we do.

[nickademus]

I don't think Spikes falls past the 1st. I do, hwoever think Laurinitis has a chance of being the Dan Morgan of this years draft. I think he slips to the 2 round. Im going to be watching him closely in tonights game.

I like Nitis but he isn't really the game changer that Rey or Spikes are. I feel like Rey and Nitis are total opposites in how they play the position while Spikes is the mix that reminds us what it is like to have a Bad Ass in the middle who doesnt make the huge mistakes.

[Florida_Bronco]

DJ everyday and twice on Sundays.

[Popps]

LOL, as if DJ is a great blitzer or something.

Yea, someone was throwing that around on another thread. He's an average blitzer, at very best. He averages around 2 sacks a year. Merriman averaged around 10 the last few years.

[socalorado]

Yea, someone was throwing that around on another thread. He's an average blitzer, at very best. He averages around 2 sacks a year. Merriman averaged around 10 the last few years.

QFT

[supermanhr9]

Yea, someone was throwing that around on another thread. He's an average blitzer, at very best. He averages around 2 sacks a year. Merriman averaged around 10 the last few years.

Good point... But, how many sacks a year to we get and compare that to San Diego. Overall our pass rush is horrible. The reason DJ doesn't get a lot is not because he is an average blitzer, but because he is picked up due to the lack of threat we have on the line.

Who's going to double team John Engleberger, or Jarvis "I play as hard as boss Bailey" Moss? Of course DJ isn't going to get the stats. I don't think you can hold that argument. He's one of the best weak side linebackers in the game (when he's healthy). Our problem lies at MLB, DT and DE. From there we can move to Safeties of course. But lets stop the run first

[ScottXray]

I wouldn't pick among the two. I think a healthy DJ with a good d-line is better than WW, but an unhealthy DJ is beat out by Woodyard.

We can't trade DJ due to his contract and injuries and get anything of value. And we don't get anything for Woodyard either.
New DC and other coaches means best player sticks and thats probably DJ unless he doesn't heal well. time to get him into surgery NOW.

[oubronco]

keep both and draft a killer MLB cause you can't have too many LB's

[montrose]

Yea, someone was throwing that around on another thread. He's an average blitzer, at very best. He averages around 2 sacks a year. Merriman averaged around 10 the last few years.

DJ's a 4-3 WLB while Merriman is a 3-4 OLB - they're two completely different positions. Merriman is a great pass-rusher, on a completely different level than DJ. DJ's a better cover guy and plays the run better. I do think with better coaching DJ, could develop into a pretty good blitzing WLB.

At the end of the day, if DJ can return to how he was playing this year before he got hurt - I couldn't be happier with his play.

[MVP-06]

Yea, someone was throwing that around on another thread. He's an average blitzer, at very best. He averages around 2 sacks a year. Merriman averaged around 10 the last few years.

Would like to see how many sacks he gets if we actually blitzed DJ as much as SD blitzes Merriman

[MVP-06]

I like Nitis but he isn't really the game changer that Rey or Spikes are. I feel like Rey and Nitis are total opposites in how they play the position while Spikes is the mix that reminds us what it is like to have a Bad Ass in the middle who doesnt make the huge mistakes.

agreed. Im just not sold on Nitis. Like I said i going to be watching closely tonight how he handles a great Big 12 team. Not some overhyped Big 10 team. If he tears it up i'll be here tomorrow to eat my words

[broncofan7]

It comes down to $$$--we got almost as much production out of Woodyard as we did from DJ--the $$$ is the difference--if we can get someone to take that contract off of our hands--by all means. But with his two injuries this year it is not likely that their will be any takers. I say we play our best 3 LBs no matter who they are.

[barryr]

I like both guys and would keep both around, especially at least until they have a coach who can get more out of them, which they have not had yet.

[elsid13]

Yea, someone was throwing that around on another thread. He's an average blitzer, at very best. He averages around 2 sacks a year. Merriman averaged around 10 the last few years.

They play two different position and roles on thier teams.

[cmhargrove]

It's too hard to say.

Dj started off the season looking great. WW came in and showed more heart and tenacity than anyone not named Al Wilson. When DJ came back, it was apparent that he was still injured - he was absolutely horrible.

It makes me feel a little better to know he had multiple injuries, but that is just another reason why Slowik should be banned from professional football. WW was clearly playing hot, and DJ wasn't ready to return. DJ should have skipped the final games of the season - that was Slowik's call.

I figure if there is a new defensively minded coach like Spags, he will pick the best one. I say, don't get rid of either, bring in more talent and have more competition.

[DBroncos4life]

Yea, someone was throwing that around on another thread. He's an average blitzer, at very best. He averages around 2 sacks a year. Merriman averaged around 10 the last few years.

To be fair odds are he would have ended up with more sacks this year had he not gotten hurt. 2.5 through seven games. Somehow I think our DC could find away to take Merriman's avg down to about 4 a year :)

[bombay]

Woodyard.

Please.

[Popps]

They play two different position and roles on thier teams.

Right... Merriman is an ass-kicker who has to be accounted for by an offense at all times.

DJ is... well, DJ.

[elsid13]

Right... Merriman is an ass-kicker who has to be accounted for by an offense at all times.

DJ is... well, DJ.

That all your bringing to this discuss??? Evidently you have decided that DJ worthless and you're not going to change your mind. Merriman role is to go get the QB like a DE does in the schemes that Denver has run. DJ's roles has been to play in space/cover the TE, chase plays from the back side and step up and fill his gap in the run game. Very rarely has DJ been asked to blitz. Sacks gets you praise on ESPN and by fans drinking beer and watching on TV, playing your assignment gets praise in the locker room and film room.

DJ has shown that he is valuable member of the defense and had been more then willing to do what is the best for the team verse his own numbers. He is very good WLB that would have been to multiply pro-bowls if he was allowed to play in Tampa-2 style of defense were his speed and tackling would have made him as valued as Brooks is in TB.

[Drek]

Yea, someone was throwing that around on another thread. He's an average blitzer, at very best. He averages around 2 sacks a year. Merriman averaged around 10 the last few years.

As I'd said in that thread, DJ is an average to slightly above average blitzer, which is quite a bit better than Woodyard.

The first DC he's had who's let him pass rush was Slowik, who wasn't particularly great at his job, and DJ had 2.5 sacks over a little less than 8 games. He was on pace for career highs pretty much across the board over half a season and because he got hurt and looked it when he came back he suddenly is rubbish.

If DJ didn't get hurt he'd have been going to the pro-bowl and this entire discussion wouldn't have any merit whatsoever.

[BroncoMan4ever]

move DJ to SAM, Woodyard starts at WILL draft Spikes to be our MIKE, get some talent at Safety and we turn the defense around.

[Ratboy]

Right... Merriman is an ass-kicker who has to be accounted for by an offense at all times.

DJ is... well, DJ.

Popps, did someone hack your account?

This is by far the most retarded argument ever by you.

[Play2win]

Popps, I'm always on board with your obsessive criticism of our pass-rush, you know that. But this constant yammering about "D.J. is an average linebacker at best," is becoming tiresome. You do realize he LED THE NFL IN TACKLES when he was injured eariler this year? After moving to a position he hadn't played in three years?

Our defense blows, no doubt. But D.J. is a keeper.

I didn't answer this poll question because the choices were too limited ... but here's what I think: Woodyard strikes me as having the same combination of speed and intensity Al Wilson had. (I know I know, Drek, but Al was listed at 6'0" 240, just 1 inch and 10 pounds off Woodyard). So unless we draft Maualuga or Spikes, I'm hoping we give Woodyard a shot at the Mike position. If that won't work, move Woodyard to Sam and just eat Boss's contract. But D.J. must stay at Will - he's a Pro-Bowl caliber Will LB - and we gotta get Woodyard on the field.

I don't think our new DC is going to be playing poker with funny cards like SLO-WITS and CO., have been doing lately...

The new DC is actually going to be professional about their job, and get a real MLB to play MLB, Have true WLB play WLB and have a true SAM play SAM...

Enough with this Chutes & Ladders, Statego, and other children's games...

[Bigdawg26]

Wow its amazing how guys can easily forget DJ Williams was having a Pro-bowl season and was first in the league in tackling before he was injured. DJ Williams is an awesome WLB and is one of the best WLB's in the league (after giving him a big contract) and you want to replace him with Woodyard who had a couple of solid games. Yes it was true he is the best linebacker out there and made a big impact on the field but that was because there wasnt any starting linebacker out there (No DJ, Boss, nor Webster) and the defense COMPLETELY SUCKED was playing. You would be crazy to start woodyard over DJ.

[BroncoBuff]

Yea, someone was throwing that around on another thread. He's an average blitzer, at very best. He averages around 2 sacks a year. Merriman averaged around 10 the last few years.
WTF?! Popps, D.J. had THREE SACKS THRU JUST 6 1/2 GAMES this year, and he was playing on the strong side and in the middle the three years before that- a very different proposition.

I know you know this, Popps. Tribbey must be right, somebody hacked your account.

[BroncoBuff]

Who would you like to see lined up at WLB for the defensive re-build going forward?
Again Popps, I'm always on board with your obsessive criticism of our pass-rush, you know that. But this constant yammering about "D.J. is an average linebacker at best," is becoming tiresome. You do realize he LED THE NFL IN TACKLES when he was injured eariler this year? After moving to a position he hadn't played in three years?

Our defense blows, no doubt. But D.J. was most certainly NOT the problem.

I didn't answer this poll question because the choices were too limited ... but here's what I think: Woodyard strikes me as having the same combination of speed and intensity Al Wilson had. (I know I know, Drek, but Al was listed at 6'0" 240, just 1 inch and 10 pounds off Woodyard's 6'1" 230). So unless we draft Maualuga or Spikes, I'm hoping we give Woodyard a shot at the Mike position in preseason. If that doesn't work, move him to Sam and just eat Boss's contract. Or come to an injury settlement with him when the inevitable training camp injury happens. But Williams MUST stay at Will - he's a Pro-Bowl caliber Will. And we gotta get Woodyard on the field somewhere, he's the 3rd or 4th best defensive player on the roster.

[DB-Freak]

Before he was injured, I remember him leading in TFL when I was researching.

[baja]

This is just a guess - but I'm guessing that DJ has some sort of positional clause that keeps him from being juggled around the field from position to position, year after year. This is what I would have suggested if I were his agent, knowing that DJ's bread and butter position is WLB, and he's not going to make any money over the long haul at either MLB or SAM. Also, the fact that he wasn't moved this year when Woodyard came on, despite having experience at both positions.

The FO would be nuts to sign off on that

[Florida_Bronco]

I don't think our new DC is going to be playing poker with funny cards like SLO-WITS and CO., have been doing lately...

The new DC is actually going to be professional about their job, and get a real MLB to play MLB, Have true WLB play WLB and have a true SAM play SAM...

Enough with this Chutes & Ladders, Statego, and other children's games...

I think this alone could bring sufficient improvement.

Moss is a RDE, so keep him at RDE.
Crowder and Dumervil are LDEs, keep them at LDE.
Robertson, Thomas and Peterson are UT's, keep them at UT.
DJ is a WLB, keep him at WLB....etc

I'd be willing to make an exception for Woodyard. Let him compete at SAM, because he's talented but not talented enough to unseat DJ.

[BroncoBuff]

Before he was injured, I remember him leading in TFL when I was researching.
He led the NFL in tackles when he was injured. And had 3 sacks.

[Play2win]

It will also nice to see a fair competition at WLB. Since Shanny is gone there is going to be no more blind favoritism involve...

Shanny drafted DJ, and because of his own ego, Shanny wanted DJ to succeed (or excel) to make Shanny look better... Now we will have a new HC (and DC) who didn't draft DJ, who won't have any allegiance to DJ, and will only have allegiance to the team (and Mr. Bowlen)... So may the best WILL win...

[Florida_Bronco]

It will also nice to see a fair competition at WLB. Since Shanny is gone there is going to be no more blind favoritism involve...

Shanny drafted DJ, and because of his own ego, Shanny wanted DJ to succeed (or excel) to make Shanny look better... Now we will have a new HC (and DC) who didn't draft DJ, who won't have any allegiance to DJ, and will only have allegiance to the team (and Mr. Bowlen)... So may the best WILL win...

Shanny signed Woodyard too.

[DB-Freak]

He led the NFL in tackles when he was injured. And had 3 sacks.

TFL is a bigger winner.

[DB-Freak]

Actually so far comparing DJ's tackles for loss(not include sack) to other top tacklers... DJ still leads with 8.

[Bigdawg26]

Shanny drafted DJ, and because of his own ego, Shanny wanted DJ to succeed (or excel) to make Shanny look better
No Shanny drafted DJ Williams because he was freakin awesome at the U, and John Mobley had a career ending injury. And DJ Williams was second to Vilma in Defensive rookie of the year at WEAK SIDE LINEBACKER, and DJ Williams was leading the league this year before he got hurt at WEAK SIDE LINEBACKER so he must have been making some kinda of impact. Woodyard looked so good because he was playing with to Spencer Larson and Jamie Winborn so of course he was going to look great somebody had to make the tackle (well not really because normally nobody did the running back just ran right through).

[BroncoBuff]

It will also nice to see a fair competition at WLB. Since Shanny is gone there is going to be no more blind favoritism involve...DS49 drinking the Popps Koolaid I see ... too bad.

Shanahan might've played favoritism with Ian Gold, but not Williams. Williams was #3 in defensive ROTY voting at Will, so what did Shanahan do the next year? Moved him to Sam, that's what. And that's NOT favoritism toward Williams. This season - his FIFTH - he played the first 7 games at his correct position since his rookie year, and he LED THE NFL IN TACKLES during those seven games.

This is not rocket science, people ... hmmm...

[Popps]

WTF?! Popps, D.J. had THREE SACKS THRU JUST 6 1/2 GAMES this year, and he was playing on the strong side and in the middle the three years before that- a very different proposition.

I know you know this, Popps. Tribbey must be right, somebody hacked your account.

If you know me, you know I've never been all that impressed with him. I think he's a fine athlete, a limited football player and played his best football with Wilson pointing him where to go. He was horrible in the middle and in my opinion, just average outside. The overwhelming response to Woodyard's play in just a few games tells you that most other Broncos fans are seeing the same thing.

As for his sacks. he's averaged a couple a year. Again, he's not a pass-rusher.

[BroncoBuff]

If you know me, you know I've never been all that impressed with him. I think he's a fine athlete, a limited football player and played his best football with Wilson pointing him where to go. He was horrible in the middle and in my opinion, just average outside. The overwhelming response to Woodyard's play in just a few games tells you that most other Broncos fans are seeing the same thing.Here's what's bugging me about your recent obsession with bashing Williams: Our defense blows so horribly, and yet you're pointing the finger at our 2nd best defensive player ... what's up with that?! This is at least the 3rd thread you've started on this topic since the season ended - at least the 2nd poll about D.J. himself.

You know I'm right there with you about the pass rush being putrid, and that being the #1 problem. But bashing our 2nd best defensive player? Seems like a strange mis-placement of blame.

[Play2win]

Shanahan might've have favopritism with Ian Gold, but D.J. is a very good linebacker, especially at his correct position MLB. He was #3 in defensive ROTY voting at Will, so what did Shanahan do the next year? Moved him to Sam, that's what. And that's NOT favoritism toward Williams. This season - his FIFTH - he played the first 7 games at his correct position since his rookie year, and he LED THE NFL IN TACKLES during those seven games.

This is not rocket science, people ... hmmm...

The AL WILSON FACTOR...

Tackles, especially when the discussion involves DJ Williams, are like facades to old western movies, they look good from the front, but...

Especially when talking about DJ Williams AND the MLB position...

When DJ was a MLB half (at least) of his tackles were 5-10 yards down the field... READ: AFTER he had already acquiesced the first down to the defender...

[BroncoBuff]

The AL WILSON FACTOR...

Tackles, especially when the discussion involves DJ Williams, are like facades to old western movies, they look good from the front, but...

Especially when talking about DJ Williams AND the MLB position...

When DJ was a MLB half (at least) of his tackles were 5-10 yards down the field... READ: AFTER he had already acquiesced the first down to the defender...Everything you say is correct, BUT ... Williams was playing WILL LB when he was leading the league in tackles this year.

[sirhcyennek81]

Both. Draft a real MLB and focus on getting some big dudes in front of them and let the linebackers get to the ball. Laurinitis or Spikes or Larsen...someone...anybody as long as its not Webster.


:Broncos:

[Play2win]

I just think DJ is the type of player if he is playing next to a bad-arse MLB, he can be a real (or may extremely) Productive WLB... That is why IF we get Rey-Rey, DJ would probably be real productive... he just doesn't seem all that special on his own...

Especially at MLB... I thought WOW, how can anybody play a worse MLB... webster sure showed me exactly how much worse, especially the last half of the season and coming down the stretch...

[Play2win]

Everything you say is correct, BUT ... Williams was playing WILL LB when he was leading the league in tackles this year.

sample size...

[cutthemdown]

IMO DJ has been a pretty average LBer. True Broncos moved him around a ton and bringing Gold back hurt his development.

IMO he just seems to be a pretty avg NFL weakside linebacker. I think Woodyard can be as good as DJ has been.

[socalorado]

Actually so far comparing DJ's tackles for loss(not include sack) to other top tacklers... DJ still leads with 8.

Hey, can you find the link for this stat. I am just curious where you got the info.

[Play2win]

This is why, It will be so nice to a real DC (hoping, hoping, hoping...) in here, It won't be so much about glorifying stats, but about getting the job done and taking care of business... that means forcing stops on 3rd downs and not giving up points... That is the bottom line... and if we get the right DC (and HC) in here, they will put together the best group of guy together to get that job done...

No matter who does or does not have the most tackles and how many yards down the field they actually tackle the ballcarriers...

[Florida_Bronco]

I just think DJ is the type of player if he is playing next to a bad-arse MLB, he can be a real (or may extremely) Productive WLB... That is why IF we get Rey-Rey, DJ would probably be real productive... he just doesn't seem all that special on his own...

Especially at MLB... I thought WOW, how can anybody play a worse MLB... webster sure showed me exactly how much worse, especially the last half of the season and coming down the stretch...

Come on now man. DJ had a rough go at MLB, but at the end of the season he was playing pretty decent.

[Popps]

Here's what's bugging me about your recent obsession with bashing Williams:

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/FTTD/N68~Drama-Queen-Posters.jpg

Our defense blows so horribly, and yet you're pointing the finger at our 2nd best defensive player ... what's up with that?!


Again, for someone who claims to have read my posts... you're not reading very closely. Our safeties are so bad, bashing them is just silly. Who are they, even? From week to week, they're never even the same. I've made a living bashing Engleberger around here, and Moss/Crowder are not worth mentioning. The fill-in LBs have played pretty well... bringing us to our DJ issue. I simply don't think he's that great, and I was more impressed with Woodyard in a couple of games than I was with DJ before that. (All things considered.)

I mean, DJ came back and our LBs looked like **** again. Probably coincidence, but such is the case.


But bashing our 2nd best defensive player? Seems like a strange mis-placement of blame.

It's not blame. Though, I think he's way overrated and I think his lack of instincts cost us on a regular basis. It's about who's better going forward, him or Woodyard. I'd rather see Woodyard get a fair chance at the job, and I don't know if that's going to happen when we're paying DJ a boatload of money.

[BroncoBuff]

ME a drama queen? You're the one starting multiple threads about our 2nd best defensive player, my friend.

You offered lots of explanations why, but I still don't get why you're so worked up. ???

[BroncoBuff]

I agree with your assessment of all the other defenders though ;D

[DB-Freak]

Hey, can you find the link for this stat. I am just curious where you got the info.

espn baby.

so far Dansby and urlacher have more from what i saw.

While playing full seasons.

[socalorado]

espn baby.

so far Dansby and urlacher have more from what i saw.

While playing full seasons.

At Denverbroncos.com they have him listed as having 3 TFL. Actually they have him listed as having NO TFL, but after reading the game logs, he apparently has 3. Just sayin.

[TheDave]

I'll take DJ...

Right now he is a better more experienced player who was playing at near a pro-bowl level prior to his injury. Additionally he would be a significant cap hit if we tried to move him. IMO let Woodyard develop behind him for a couple of years then at that point the new coaching staff can make the decision who fits their scheme.

[DB-Freak]

At Denverbroncos.com they have him listed as having 3 TFL. Actually they have him listed as having NO TFL, but after reading the game logs, he apparently has 3. Just sayin.

They don't even have TFL listed from what Im seeing.

I please lead me to this?

Mine is here

STF is tackle for loss.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=5542

[Florida_Bronco]

I'll take DJ...

Right now he is a better more experienced player who was playing at near a pro-bowl level prior to his injury.

Well Popps, looks like we got another solid poster here who agrees with us. :thumbsup:

Who do you have, again?

[NUB]

We don't know how bad his injuries will affect him. If they're nothing, then Williams by far.

[broncogary]

I'll take DJ...

Right now he is a better more experienced player who was playing at near a pro-bowl level prior to his injury. Additionally he would be a significant cap hit if we tried to move him. IMO let Woodyard develop behind him for a couple of years then at that point the new coaching staff can make the decision who fits their scheme.

I thought it was Pro Bowl level, not near. :thanku:

[DB-Freak]

At Denverbroncos.com they have him listed as having 3 TFL. Actually they have him listed as having NO TFL, but after reading the game logs, he apparently has 3. Just sayin.

I see it now, but spotty at best.

[Play2win]

I thought it was Pro Bowl level, not near. :thanku:

Didn't you hear, DJ Williams has already been named 2009 ProBowl MVP...

[BroncoMan4ever]

Right... Merriman is an ass-kicker who has to be accounted for by an offense at all times.

DJ is... well, DJ.

All thanks to Roids.

[BroncoManCanuck]

trade DJ, he'll never be anything more in the blue and orange. He might still have some value (3rd?) but that contract is gonna be tough to unload.

one of the stupidist ideas i have heard of