Head coaching round up.

[HEAV]

JETS

The Newark Star-Ledger reports that offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer has emerged as the favorite to be the Jets' next head coach.

Schottenheimer, who interviewed Thursday, has apparently passed Giants DC Steve Spagnuolo atop owner Woody Johnson's wish list. Spagnuolo interviewed Saturday and reportedly "wasn't as prepared as one would think". A Schottenheimer hiring would not impress a testy fan base or attract PSL buyers for the Jets' new Meadowlands Stadium, which will open in 2010.


BRONCOS

Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo was reportedly very impressive in his Saturday night interview with Denver, but Josh McDaniels remains the favorite to be the Broncos' next head coach.

NFL.com's Adam Schefter says Spags is still in the running to replace Mike Shanahan, but "most league insiders" believe McDaniels is out in front.


BRONCOS/RAMS

The Broncos and Rams have formally requested permission to interview Vikings DC Leslie Frazier regarding their head-coaching vacancies.

RAMS
The Rams are reportedly interested in interviewing Cardinals assistant HC Russ Grimm and Titans OL coach Mike Munchak for their head-coaching job.


CHIEFS

Citing "multiple NFL executives," NFL.com's Adam Schefter reports that Herm Edwards is unlikely to remain the Chiefs' head coach in 2009.

Schefter says the Chiefs will hire a general manger first and let him decide Edwards' fate, but that GM will likely bring in his own coach. With the Browns' interest in Patriots VP of Personnel Scott Pioli seemingly dying, a Pioli-Josh McDaniels or Pioli-Kirk Ferentz package could happen in KC

[Inkana7]

Good to hear that Spagnuolo was impressive and that we're interviewing Frazier.

[HEAV]

Good to hear that Spagnuolo was impressive and that we're interviewing Frazier.

Even better that the JETS are falling out of the Spags chase!

Stupid Jets ownership...

Denver is the best place with an opening right now. JETS gig is a mess with the Farve issue and age at key positions on both sides of teh ball.

Come to Denver Spags!

[Inkana7]

Even better that the JETS are falling out of the Spags chase!

Stupid Jets ownership...

Denver is the best place with an opening right now. JETS gig is a mess with the Farve issue and age at key positions on both sides of teh ball.

Come to Denver Spags!

Yes, please. No more of this McDaniels bull****.

[Conklin]

you guys notice that the chiefs also are in the running for a pioli/mcdaniels combo?

could our reported interest in mcdaniels only be to push them to rush into this decision and possibly overspend and improperly analyze their situation?

[Play2win]

JETS

Schottenheimer, who interviewed Thursday, has apparently passed Giants DC Steve Spagnuolo atop owner Woody Johnson's wish list. Spagnuolo interviewed Saturday and reportedly "wasn't as prepared as one would think". A Schottenheimer hiring would not impress a testy fan base or attract PSL buyers for the Jets' new Meadowlands Stadium, which will open in 2010.


Are you serious? Is that his real name?!? Hilarious! :rofl: :rofl:

[HEAV]

The Jets will reportedly interview CBS analyst Brian Billick for their open head-coaching job this coming week.

The Jets aren't rushing into a hire and will continue to weigh all their options, even though in-house candidate Brian Schottenheimer appears to be the current leader. It's worth noting that nine of the last 11 Super Bowl winners were led by "recycled" head coaches. Billick falls into that category.


11 Super Bowl winners were led by "recycled" head coaches.

Now there is an interesting, yet deciving stat. I mean two were Shanny, 3 for Bilicheat, then Gruden had one giving to him, Vermil was at the right place and time, Dungy earned his...

Stats..pfffftt

[R8R H8R]

Good to hear that Spagnuolo was impressive and that we're interviewing Frazier.

It's even better to hear that the Jets wasn't that impressed in him. Maybe he didn't seem prepared because he really doesn't want that job. We can only hope he was holding out for the better job in Denver. :thumbs:

[lex]

Yes, please. No more of this McDaniels bull****.

It sucks to hear this. So, basically, Spagnuolo may not get a gig according to Adam?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/lexlucid/star-wars-darth-vader-sense.jpg

I hate to be guilty of selective hearing though.

[HEAV]

Are you serious? Is that his real name?!? Hilarious! :rofl: :rofl:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woody_Johnson

It's his nick name. But yes very funny!

[baja]

lol

[footstepsfrom#27]

..."most league insiders" believe McDaniels is out in front.

Now how exactly would these "insiders" know what's in the mind of Pat Bowlen? Is Pat emailing them? Maybe he's texting all his owner buddies asking for advice? Please...enough of this idiocy.

[Play2win]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woody_Johnson

It's his nick name. But yes very funny!

Yeah, I laughed my ass off... everybody needs a good laugh from time to time... :thumbsup:

[TheReverend]

Yes, please. No more of this McDaniels bull****.

Wait... why would that be bull**** by your own precedent?

Spagnuolo you love because he has two solid years as an NFL DC even though he's 49.

McDaniels has one record breaking season and two other great years. That's more than 50% more impressive NFL production at the coordinator level... by the way, he's only 32.

[SoCalBronco]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/lexlucid/star-wars-darth-vader-sense.jpg



Seriously, Bob, is getting one of those Arrowhead water subscriptions really too expensive for your family?

Come on, dude.

[TheDave]

Who ever it is... I REALLY hope that they are a defensive coach.

[Broncobuddy7]

..."most league insiders" believe McDaniels is out in front.

Now how exactly would these "insiders" know what's in the mind of Pat Bowlen? Is Pat emailing them? Maybe he's texting all his owner buddies asking for advice? Please...enough of this idiocy.

Thank you! I was wondering the same thing.

[baja]

Who ever it is... I REALLY hope that they are a defensive coach.

Or know of a good one that's available.

[SoCalBronco]

Jay will not allow McDaniels to happen.

[TheDave]

Or know of a good one that's available.

eh... I'm not sure Baja, this defense is SOOOOO bad I think it needs to be the focal point of the entire organization. The other bennefit is that a defensive minded coach would be more likely to leave the offense alone.

[Inkana7]

Wait... why would that be bull**** by your own precedent?

Spagnuolo you love because he has two solid years as an NFL DC even though he's 49.

McDaniels has one record breaking season and two other great years. That's more than 50% more impressive NFL production at the coordinator level... by the way, he's only 32.

Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis were equally as impressive.

Stop making the same argument in different threads. Diversify.

[TheReverend]

Who ever it is... I REALLY hope that they are a defensive coach.

Why?

It seems everyone just wants a great DC. Why not just hire a great DC?

Wade Phillips is a great DC and a mediocre HC at best, and that's just one example. The majority of great DCs suck enormous cock as head coaches.

[TheReverend]

Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis were equally as impressive.

Stop making the same argument in different threads. Diversify.

If you want to go to that level, Dave Wannstedt was three times as impressive.

What's your point, dude?

[Inkana7]

If you want to go to that level, Dave Wannstedt was three times as impressive.

What's your point, dude?

Spagnuolo just seems like the right fit for me. Not only have his defenses in NY been impressive, but he seems like even more impressive of a person. He's a motivator, something Shanahan had trouble with, a guy that his players generally love and respect. I feel he'd bring the intensity and passion that's been missing here since dudes like Al and Romo left.

I think he has an impressive resume, even at age 49, but I like his attitude as well.

[TheDave]

Why?

It seems everyone just wants a great DC. Why not just hire a great DC?

Wade Phillips is a great DC and a mediocre HC at best, and that's just one example. The majority of great DCs suck enormous cock as head coaches.

Like i said above... People here don't seem to realize just how terrible this defense is. It must be the focal point of the entire organization. Additionally, I don't want to change anything on offense. Keep the ZBS, turner and his ability to pluck RB's off the streets and let Bates, Cutler and the rest of the offense continue to grow. An offensive minded coach puts all of those things at risk.

[TheReverend]

Like i said above... People here don't seem to realize just how terrible this defense is. It must be the focal point of the entire organization. Additionally, I don't want to change anything on offense. Keep the ZBS, turner and his ability to pluck RB's off the streets and let Bates, Cutler and the rest of the offense continue to grow. An offensive minded coach puts all of those things at risk.

I love TheDave sightings, so I hate to be contrarian to your points but.....

That's exactly how the Colts organization felt with a young Peyton Manning, who then brought in a defensive guru in Tony Dungy. The defense never really got there.

The job is for HC. Not DC.

[Bronx33]

Like i said above... People here don't seem to realize just how terrible this defense is. It must be the focal point of the entire organization. Additionally, I don't want to change anything on offense. Keep the ZBS, turner and his ability to pluck RB's off the streets and let Bates, Cutler and the rest of the offense continue to grow. An offensive minded coach puts all of those things at risk.

:thumbs:

[TheReverend]

Spagnuolo just seems like the right fit for me. Not only have his defenses in NY been impressive, but he seems like even more impressive of a person. He's a motivator, something Shanahan had trouble with, a guy that his players generally love and respect. I feel he'd bring the intensity and passion that's been missing here since dudes like Al and Romo left.

I think he has an impressive resume, even at age 49, but I like his attitude as well.

So it's a "gut thing"? Just like Pat Bowlen's brilliant decision making process?

Okay, that still had some left over bitterness.

Edit: You're either lying at the "impressive resume" comment, or haven't genuinely looked.

[Inkana7]

So it's a "gut thing"? Just like Pat Bowlen's brilliant decision making process?

Okay, that still had some left over bitterness.

A gut thing backed up by the accounts of others and the pure statistical domination of the New York Giants defense.

I'm a Shanny guy. But he's gone. Being bitter is a waste of energy. I'm rather excited to see what happens, and I really dig Spagnuolo.

EDIT: He completely turned around a lackluster, soft defense in one year. He then made them "better"(stat wise) this season despite losing both Michael Strahan, Osi Umenyiora, and two of his 3 starting linebackers.

That impresses me.

[TheDave]

I love TheDave sightings, so I hate to be contrarian to your points but.....

That's exactly how the Colts organization felt with a young Peyton Manning, who then brought in a defensive guru in Tony Dungy. The defense never really got there.

The job is for HC. Not DC.

In fairness, it has gotten them to the playoffs for 10 straight years and grabbed a SB along the way. I'd be cool with that. :thumbs:

[Bronx33]

Having shanahan removed from the defensive drafting process is a good thing all by itself he never really seriously addressed it.

[TheReverend]

In fairness, it has gotten them to the playoffs for 10 straight years and grabbed a SB along the way. I'd be cool with that. :thumbs:

Now, is that on Dungy's defensive expertise or Peyton Manning's ability and work?

[TheReverend]

Having shanahan removed from the defensive drafting process is a good thing all by itself he never had the opportunity to really seriously addressed it.

Fixed!

[lex]

Wait... why would that be bull**** by your own precedent?

Spagnuolo you love because he has two solid years as an NFL DC even though he's 49.

McDaniels has one record breaking season and two other great years. That's more than 50% more impressive NFL production at the coordinator level... by the way, he's only 32.

How did that offense do against Spagnuolo's defense? Again, that offense was too pass happy. The records matter not. The offense had a fatal flaw that Spagnuolo was able to exploit. And you want to replace Shanahan, who was smart enough to value the running game in the SB years, with someone like McDaniels.

So, then what happens with the defense? I guess were forced to some guy that he likes? No. This team needs an architect to rebuild the defense. It needs someone at the top with that kind of acumen and a DC who can implement the schematics.

[Inkana7]

Now, is that on Dungy's defensive expertise or Peyton Manning's ability and work?

The defense won them their Super Bowl. Peyton had what, 1 TD and 7 INTs in the playoffs before going 1 and 1 in the Super Bowl?

Dungy's defensive expertise gave them their championship.

[TonyR]

It seems everyone just wants a great DC. Why not just hire a great DC?


That is a valid point. And it's funny how an O guy like Billick always had better D than O in Baltimore, and how a D guy like Dungy has always had better O than D in Indy.

[TheDave]

Now, is that on Dungy's defensive expertise or Peyton Manning's ability and work?

Both... mostly Peytons', but Dungy has been able to field an average to above average D with little FA help and never drafting much better than #25. I think this team is in a similiar position (offensively speaking).

[TheReverend]

The defense won them their Super Bowl. Peyton had what, 1 TD and 7 INTs in the playoffs before going 1 and 1 in the Super Bowl?

Dungy's defensive expertise gave them their championship.

So Dungy was calling that defense? Or picking the players? Or doing roughly ANYTHING defensively related after 6 years of D failure, and failure of epic proportions during the reg season?

Come on, man.

[Inkana7]

So Dungy was calling that defense? Or picking the players? Or doing roughly ANYTHING defensively related after 6 years of D failure, and failure of epic proportions during the reg season?

Come on, man.

So Dungy had NOTHING at all to do with the defensive scheme, the players brought in, etc? Nothing at all?

Come on, man.

[Bronx33]

A HC that can comunicate with both the DC and OC is a good thing. IMO that's were shanahan lacked and i kinda showed with the slowik debacle.

[TheReverend]

So Dungy had NOTHING at all to do with the defensive scheme, the players brought in, etc? Nothing at all?

Come on, man.

Dude, you've been a Denver fan too long. You don't understand people being in charge of their areas because here the scapegoat is just "Mike Shanahan".

Indy's GM, Bill Polian, is known as one of THE best in the business.

Ron Meeks, the DC HAND-PICKED by Dungy and have worked TOGETHER since they arrived in 2002, still works there.

I'm not sure why you're crediting a defensive guru coach with one playoff streak of success on the back of Bob Sanders and absolving him of all their other defensive failures. But good for you.

[WolfpackGuy]

Dungy concentrated on the defense and basically left the offense alone.
Manning and Tom Moore have had pretty much free reign over the offense.

[Hamrob]

I want Spags...but I'm warming to Mcdaniels too. Look, Jay spent last season studying the Pats. It was Mcdaniel's work he was studying folks!

Everyone is worried about Mcdaniel coming in and then getting rid of Bates & Turner. The kid's only 32 years old...do you think he might needs some help?

He's an offensive coordinator now...he's going to be a head-coach. He won't be able to spend alot of time with the offense...he's going to have to correct the deficiencies on the defensive side of the ball. A guy like Bates just might be a plus in his eyes.

Whoever it is...I believe in Bowlen. We'll see.

[TheReverend]

I want Spags...but I'm warming to Mcdaniels too. Look, Jay spent last season studying the Pats. It was Mcdaniel's work he was studying folks!

Everyone is worried about Mcdaniel coming in and then getting rid of Bates & Turner. The kid's only 32 years old...do you think he might needs some help?

He's an offensive coordinator now...he's going to be a head-coach. He won't be able to spend alot of time with the offense...he's going to have to correct the deficiencies on the defensive side of the ball. A guy like Bates just might be a plus in his eyes.

Whoever it is...I believe in Bowlen. We'll see.

I really hope you're right.

[Bronx33]

Fixed!

what do you mean he didn't have an opportunity?

[TheReverend]

what do you mean he didn't have an opportunity?

The priority was blatantly on the offense after last seasons end and the post-season press conference where he confessed he was "embarrassed" to have an offensive unit outside the top ten.

You want to say he can't build a defense? How many did he have in the top ten when Al Wilson was healthy?

Want to venture a guess at least?

The O was rebuilt, the D side is RIPE in FA AND the draft. This is the EASIEST team to fix up and make a play off run in decades. It's sad to see the opportunity to do it ripped away from the guy that deserves to, that's all.

[LonghornBronco]

Has anyone heard if any interest in Urban Meyer?

[Bronx33]

The priority was blatantly on the offense after last seasons end and the post-season press conference where he confessed he was "embarrassed" to have an offensive unit outside the top ten.

You want to say he can't build a defense? How many did he have in the top ten when Al Wilson was healthy?

Want to venture a guess at least?

The O was rebuilt, the D side is RIPE in FA AND the draft. This is the EASIEST team to fix up and make a play off run in decades. It's sad to see the opportunity to do it ripped away from the guy that deserves to, that's all.



Your opinion is noted but the sad fact is shanahan sucked at drafting and was fairly poor at evaluating defensive talent just look at all the washouts
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/ful...1400&type=team
Who is still with the team or even had long careers with the broncos because they were so good? iam not even going to bring up the failed FA signings and the browncos, look i loved shanahan too but the guy had flaws and one of them was wanting full control which was finally his demise but iam not for minute going to believe mike didn't have an opportunity to fix the D. He had a great run rev but it was time and his wanting to keep slowik was the final nail in his coffin ( let's move on) go broncos.

[Dedhed]

For some reason I'm leaning towards Morris. I think a teacher and motivator of men is more valuable than an Xs and Os guy; after all we just canned perhaps the best Xs and Os guy available.

This team has played soft for a long time, and has flat out quit more times than I'd care to admit. I think that speaks to Shanny's inability to put a fire in the belly of his players.

Morris, by all accounts seems to have the personality that people will follow into Hell. Keep Bates as OC, sign one of the following as DC:

former Jets head coach Eric Mangini, former Browns head coach Romeo Crennel, former Lions head coach Rod Marinelli, former 49ers head coach Mike Nolan, former Browns defensive coordinator Mel Tucker, former Broncos defensive coordinator Jim Bates, former Broncos defensive coordinator Larry Coyer and former Chargers defensive coordinator Ted Cottrell.And some of these men could shake free: Rams interim head coach Jim Haslett, Chiefs head coach Herm Edwards, Chiefs defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham, Jaguars defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, Rams assistant head coach Rick Venturi, Titans assistant head coach Dave McGinnis and Raiders defensive coordinator Rob Ryan.

Add in as many defensive assistants as Morris can swipe from the Bucs, and I'd be excited.

[TheReverend]

Your opinion is noted but the sad fact is shanahan sucked at drafting and was fairly poor at evaluating defensive talent just look at all the washouts
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/ful...1400&type=team
Who is still with the team or even had long careers with the broncos because they were so good? iam not even going to bring up the failed FA signings and the browncos, look i loved shanahan too but the guy had flaws and one of them was wanting full control which was finally his demise but iam not for minute going to believe mike didn't have an opportunity to fix the D. He had a great run rev but it was time and his wanting to keep slowik was the final nail in his coffin ( let's move on) go broncos.

Oddly enough, we had our greatest defensive successes with the Browncos. In fact, the lone holdover is our best defensive lineman. Keep blaming them, though!

Edit: Why do we credit Bowlen with perhaps going with a "defensive" coach, yet blame Shanahan for losing his job because of clinging to Slowik when the one we dismiss is from the media pundit MOST accurate with the Broncos (Schefter) and the other disputed by Bowlen himself?

[Bronx33]

[QUOTE=TheReverend;2234212]Oddly enough, we had our greatest defensive successes with the Browncos. In fact, the lone holdover is our best defensive lineman. Keep blaming them, though!

Ok over a 14 year span you credit shanahan with the browncos and one holdover as his crowning acheivement for the defense? it was worse than i thought ;D Rev i also wanted shanahan to have one more year but sadly he didn't get it and all i know is we might finally have a defensive minded person evaluating and drafting defensive personel.

[baja]

Oddly enough, we had our greatest defensive successes with the Browncos. In fact, the lone holdover is our best defensive lineman. Keep blaming them, though!

Edit: Why do we credit Bowlen with perhaps going with a "defensive" coach, yet blame Shanahan for losing his job because of clinging to Slowik when the one we dismiss is from the media pundit MOST accurate with the Broncos (Schefter) and the other disputed by Bowlen himself?

Dude this is your 187 post since the games started today I guess you just like to talk about football rather than actually watch it. ;D

[TheReverend]

[QUOTE=TheReverend;2234212]Oddly enough, we had our greatest defensive successes with the Browncos. In fact, the lone holdover is our best defensive lineman. Keep blaming them, though!

Ok over a 14 year span you credit shanahan with the browncos and one holdover as his crowning acheivement for the defense? it was worse than i thought ;D Rev i also wanted shanahan to have one more year but sadly he didn't get it and all i know is we might finally have a defensive minded person evaluating and drafting defensive personel.

Are you high?

We've had four hall of famers in the RECENT Broncos (not including the Atwaters, Smiths, Neils, etc of the past) in Champ, Wilson, Pryce and Lynch.

By crediting the Browncos with their due (a franchise record in pressures, which lead to franchise records in redzone picks, several returned for TDs), we can start getting to the ****ing truth behind it all.

[TheReverend]

Dude this is your 187 post since the games started today I guess you just like to talk about football rather than actually watch it. ;D

The Broncos are out. The Cards adv.

I have no personal interest in the rest of these D-bags outside some FA scouting.

[baja]

The Broncos are out. The Cards adv.

I have no personal interest in the rest of these D-bags outside some FA scouting.

damn I expected a much bigger reaction than that ;D

signed the Palestinian .

[Bronx33]

[QUOTE=Bronx33;2234226]

Are you high?

We've had four hall of famers in the RECENT Broncos (not including the Atwaters, Smiths, Neils, etc of the past) in Champ, Wilson, Pryce and Lynch.

By crediting the Browncos with their due (a franchise record in pressures, which lead to franchise records in redzone picks, several returned for TDs), we can start getting to the ****ing truth behind it all.


How many of those did mike actually draft?

[TheReverend]

[QUOTE=TheReverend;2234238]


How many of those did mike actually draft?

Al and Pryce. Not to mention the Portis for Champ trade in which our running game didn't skip a beat, despite the doomsayers. Lynch through FA I was suppose was just a testament to his "GM evaluations".

So now we've seen him dominate through all 3 phases of personnel evaluation... draft, FA, trade.

[Bronx33]

Now all we need to see is his list of failures as a comparison and i think mike actually listed to robinson but after he left.

[WolfpackGuy]

Portis scored 31 TD's in 2 seasons and ONLY averaged 5.5 YPC. They haven't come close to replacing that.

[TheReverend]

Now all we need to see is his list of failures as a comparison.

Go for it. You already listed the "Browncos" as failures... even though that unit set Den records and helped make the way to an AFCCG at home.

What else you got?

[TheReverend]

Portis scored 31 TD's in 2 seasons and ONLY averaged 5.5 YPC. They haven't come close to replacing that.

They've average 5 YPC and also had a defender with franchise records in redzone picks and a season as runner up for DMVP. Decent trade, imo.

[Rock Chalk]

Rev's just bitter that his butt buddy got **** canned like yesterday's news.

McDaniels would suck as a head coach. Pass pass pass pass pass fail.

[Rock Chalk]

Go for it. You already listed the "Browncos" as failures... even though that unit set Den records and helped make the way to an AFCCG at home.

What else you got?

3 straight years of mediocre to flat out disgusting performances from the team in general. 2 of the 3 lowest scoring totals and 3 of the 4 lowest scoring totals of the last 13 years in Denver.

Missing the playoffs 3 years in a row for the first time since the early 1980s.

All amount to epic fail.

[Bronx33]

Rev's just bitter that his butt buddy got **** canned like yesterday's news.

McDaniels would suck as a head coach. Pass pass pass pass pass fail.


You should write greeting cards alec..;D

[Bronx33]

Go for it. You already listed the "Browncos" as failures... even though that unit set Den records and helped make the way to an AFCCG at home.

What else you got?

you point em out.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=1400&type=team

[Atlas]

You would think that Crennel and Weis's failures in coaching would cool people off hiring N.E. Assistent coaches.

[Killericon]

McDaniels would be alright, even if only because he'd allow whatever DC is brought in to run the show on his own.

[HEAV]

You would think that Crennel and Weis's failures in coaching would cool people off hiring N.E. Assistent coaches.

True, but look at Man-genius possibly geting a second chance in the NFL.

McDaniels may just be a smoke screen...maybe...

I just wanted a defensive minded coach to balance out the team. Like a previous poster stated the Colts function-ed with Moore and Manning runnign the offense and Dungy making no-names into a solid defense.

Let Bates design and call plays, with new coaches input on running more, and then let the new guy run the defense.

[colonelbeef]

You would think that Crennel and Weis's failures in coaching would cool people off hiring N.E. Assistent coaches.

Don't forget Mangini.

[SoCalBronco]

You should write greeting cards alec..;D

Sig line worthy.

Rep.

[TheReverend]

3 straight years of mediocre to flat out disgusting performances from the team in general. 2 of the 3 lowest scoring totals and 3 of the 4 lowest scoring totals of the last 13 years in Denver.

Missing the playoffs 3 years in a row for the first time since the early 1980s.

All amount to epic fail.

As opposed to the epic Win that Fischer has managed to turn YOUR BOY Vince Young into?

ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! ROFL!

I'll keep your opinion in the toilet where it belongs, bud.

[Drek]

Don't forget Mangini.

Mangini had two winning seasons in three years, he started with rubbish, and he was given a QB for this season who wouldn't play within the scheme. I don't think you can really label him a failure.

I'd be ok with McDaniels if 1. he let at least two of Dennison/Turner/Bates stay on to ease the offensive transition, preferably all 3 and 2. if he could deliver Crennel or Mangini to be our DC. Preferably Mangini.

[Play2win]

Mangini had two winning seasons in three years, he started with rubbish, and he was given a QB for this season who wouldn't play within the scheme. I don't think you can really label him a failure.

I'd be ok with McDaniels if 1. he let at least two of Dennison/Turner/Bates stay on to ease the offensive transition, preferably all 3 and 2. if he could deliver Crennel or Mangini to be our DC. Preferably Mangini.

Yeah, I always thought Mangini did a bang-up job. That Jets team was pretty poor before he got there, and he built the team the way you are supposed to, from the inside out. I don't know who "brought" Favre to the Jets, if it was Mangini, well then, there's that...

[driver]

Why?

It seems everyone just wants a great DC. Why not just hire a great DC?

Wade Phillips is a great DC and a mediocre HC at best, and that's just one example. The majority of great DCs suck enormous cock as head coaches.

Let's start with;
Tom Landry
Don Shula
Bill Parcells
Bill Belichek
It seems pretty balanced offense against defense to me.:wave:

[TheReverend]

Let's start with;
Tom Landry
Don Shula
Bill Parcells
Bill Belichek
It seems pretty balanced offense against defense to me.:wave:

You had to go all NFL history to find a total of 4 that are Hall worthy?

Color me impressed...?

[driver]

You had to go all NFL history to find a total of 4 that are Hall worthy?

Color me impressed...?

You should be!:thanku:

I could've listed just as many oc who became great HC's starting w/ Shanahan. Just saying it's a tossup O vs. D. You have to make a pick and take your chances. To support your side the best dc,ever,Bud Carson was a lousey hc.

[TheReverend]

You should be!:thanku:

LOL

I like you.

[minibronco]

God if Spags doesn't come to Denver not because of his own accord, then I'm gonna be pissed.

[lex]

God if Spags doesn't come to Denver not because of his own accord, then I'm gonna be pissed.

You have every right to be.