Shanahan says no to Jets; Dallas, perhaps? [Archive] - The Orange Mane

TonyR

01-03-2009, 09:02 AM

montrose

01-03-2009, 09:04 AM

I think Mike's taking a year off and collecting cash from Pat while he finishes his house and restaurant.

Ironlung

01-03-2009, 09:08 AM

IMO He wants to remain in the AFC worst.

TonyR

01-03-2009, 09:12 AM

SHANAHAN TO DALLAS?
Posted by Mike Florio on January 3, 2009, 11:46 a.m. EST
Chris Mortensen of ESPN reports that Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is get “angrier by the minute” in the wake of his team’s season-ending thumping at Philly on December 28.

And Mort suggests that Jones could ultimately go back on his vow not to fire coach Wade Phillips.

By hiring former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan.

Mort says that Jones has been thinking about pursuing Shanahan, more than Jones ever thought about chasing Bill Cowher or Mike Holmgren.

One big factor weighing in Shanahan’s favor is that he won’t need a huge contract over the next three years, since he’s guaranteed to receive a total of $21 million from the Broncos.

Don’t underestimate the financial aspect of the situation. We’ve got a feeling that Jones is getting stretched pretty thin as he prepares to enter a $1.1 billion stadium in a bad economy that has featured the disappearance of much wealth, especially among those who are very wealthy. The last thing he wants to do is hire a guy like Cowher, who’ll want upwards of $10 million per year.

Mort says that some view Shanahan as an ideal fit for quarterback Tony Romo, who has shown flashes of brilliance but who tends to gag at inopportune moments.

It’s possible that, if Shanahan comes to Dallas, Phillips could stay as the defensive coordinator.

The urgency to chase Shanahan could increase, if current offensive coordinator Jason Garrett lands a head coaching job with another team.

Shanahan is also regarded as a candidate for vacancies in Cleveland, and with the Jets.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/03/shanahan-to-dallas/

footstepsfrom#27

01-03-2009, 09:20 AM

Quit bouncing this stupid Dallas idea. I live here so I get a serious closeup on this guys ego every day. There's no way he comes here. If I were Shanny I'd take at least a year to recharge the batteries and wait for the right job. It's not like he can't afford it.

Endy

01-03-2009, 09:22 AM

But Shanny only gets the 21 million if he doesn't land another job, right?

footstepsfrom#27

01-03-2009, 09:23 AM

It’s possible that, if Shanahan comes to Dallas, Phillips could stay as the defensive coordinator.
Dumbest prediction yet. These guys are just throwing **** against a wall.

Spider

01-03-2009, 09:23 AM

Going to the Cowboys would be the pinnacle of his career , not because the cowboys are so damn good , just because they are in the national media

TonyR

01-03-2009, 09:25 AM

Quit bouncing this stupid Dallas idea.

Please address your complaint to the attention of Chris Mortensen.

footstepsfrom#27

01-03-2009, 09:25 AM

Going to the Cowboys would be the pinnacle of his career , not because the cowboys are so damn good , just because they are in the national media
Spider...trust me it's not happening. Shanahan worked for Al freaking Davis...you think he didn't learn something from that? The reason he's out in Denver is because he couldn't give in to the least intrusive owner in the NFL and now he's gonne go work for Mr. Ego himself?

Not happening.

Spider

01-03-2009, 09:26 AM

Spider

01-03-2009, 09:26 AM

Spider...trust me it's not happening. Shanahan worked for Al freaking Davis...you think he didn't learn something from that? The reason he's out in Denver is because he couldn't give in to the least intrusive owner in the NFL and now he's gonne go work for Mr. Ego himself?

Not happening.

Jones gave Parcels what he wanted , over rode Parcels on a couple of thing , but .....

footstepsfrom#27

01-03-2009, 09:27 AM

Please address your complaint to the attention of Chris Mortensen.
Chris Mortensen is an attention whore like most of these talking heads.

footstepsfrom#27

01-03-2009, 09:29 AM

Jones gave Parcels what he wanted , over rode Parcels on a couple of thing , but .....
No he PROMISED Parcells he'd have what he wanted, then reneged on the deal. It started with TO, who the Tuna wanted no part of, and went downhill from there. Besides, Parcells is not Shanahan. He actually thought he could control Jones...he found out differently.

Rulon Velvet Jones

01-03-2009, 09:31 AM

Jones gave Parcels what he wanted , over rode Parcels on a couple of thing , but .....

Yep, and look where it got Jerry. Parcells had a plan that Jones messed with. Now Parcells is taking his winner of a team into the playoffs this weekend while Jerry attaches rubber bands to the back of his skull in attempts to further stretch out his plastic face.

And those that bring up Wade as DC, I pray they do their research before throwing that out there. But, I shouldn't be surprised. CowboyFan is nothing more than a drooling, grubby, myopic wolverine that lives in a freaking bubble of football insight.

Spider

01-03-2009, 09:36 AM

No he PROMISED Parcells he'd have what he wanted, then reneged on the deal. It started with TO, who the Tuna wanted no part of, and went downhill from there. Besides, Parcells is not Shanahan. He actually thought he could control Jones...he found out differently.

That was one of the couple things was talking about , T.O. but more important , Parcels best year was a 10-6 season .....

footstepsfrom#27

01-03-2009, 09:51 AM

That was one of the couple things was talking about , T.O. but more important , Parcels best year was a 10-6 season .....
One of the saddest things I see with Wade Phillips...the same thing I've seen with every single Cowboy coach not named Jimmy...is the picture of them standing at a presser with Jones trying to look like they're not emasculated. Even Parcells had to act the part, but anyone who has been close to the dealings down here knows that the Tuna couldn't take Jone's meddling and that's the main reason he left. Bringing in TO set the tune for how things were being done here, and Parcells realized that he'd made a huge mistake in trusting Jones to stay out of things. Switzer was a yes man...so were all the others except Parcells and he gave up his dignity as well for the alure of the whole "America's team" crap...you KNOW he regrets it now.

If Mike Shanahan takes this job I will lose considerable respect for the man.

Wes Mantooth

01-03-2009, 10:04 AM

wise to wait a couple weeks.

1. somebody still knowing that shanahan is on the market could fire their coach.
2. you don't know what will happen with the first roud teams coaches (San Diego)

broncosteven

01-03-2009, 10:08 AM

SHANAHAN SNUBS THE JETS
Posted by Mike Florio on January 3, 2009, 11:55 a.m. EST
The Jets reached out to former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan.

And Shanahan rebuffed them.

So reports Gary Myers and Rich Cimini of the New York Daily News, citing an unnamed source.

Shanahan told NFL Network that he plans to take two weeks off before speaking with any prospective employers.

The Jets are now expected to focus on Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/03/shanahan-snubs-the-jets/

I really don't see Shanny going any further east than Ohio. He is a midwestern guy raised in IL. He has worked the majority of his career in the midwest or west coast. I think he tries to stay in AFC West or goes back to a California team.

Inkana7

01-03-2009, 10:39 AM

Get the **** away from our next coach, Jets.

Dagmar

01-03-2009, 10:43 AM

Get the **** away from our next coach, Jets.
:thumbs: :thumbs:

Drek

01-03-2009, 10:46 AM

MechanicalBull

01-03-2009, 11:16 AM

I hate these types of articles and that people get paid to write this stuff.

Where does it say that Shanny turned down the Jets? It states that he is taking a 2 week vacation and will then listen to offer and it was the Jets not Shanahan that decided to move on.

Personally I think he takes the year off to relax and collect his money. If he does go anywhere this year it is to a contender. I would love to see the egg on Jerry Jones' face if he fired Phillips for Shanahan and then Shanahan tells him he is taking the year off.

footstepsfrom#27

01-03-2009, 11:19 AM

I could see Shanahan doing it, for one big reason.

The greatest coaches in recent football history are Mike Shanahan, Bill Parcells, and Bill Belicheck. Despite having more wins and more rings Shanahan is often viewed as a step behind Parcells (see HOF discussion, the media love on Parcells already has him as a first ballot lock, while people try and debate Shanahan's credentials).

If he goes to Dallas and takes the team Parcells failed to win a playoff game with and bailed on to a title he immediately one ups Parcells and by proxy Belicheck. He goes down as the greatest coach of the last 20+ years and is immediately on the same tier as his mentor, Bill Walsh.

He's obviously not opposed to having T.O. on his team and he definitely knows how to use a TE like Witten. He'd be a huge boost for Romo's career as well, who plays like a rich man's Jake Plummer anyway.
Did Mike offer TO a job? I might be wrong but I think he chose to pass on that asshat even though he considered it. Surely he'd pass NOW though, having seen his latest version of that tired act.
He'd have them contending for a title next year and he could very possibly go back to back in a very short window there. He doesn't need to get along with Jerry Jones forever, just long enough to seal the deal. Also I think he and Jerry have a lot of the same issues in that they both love superstars, no matter how they might be aging.
How would Mike run a stretch zone running game with the elephantine Dallas linemen? He'd spend 3 years just building the O-line to get what he wanted. Jones has shown himself reluctant to wait longer than that.
If Jerry Jones calls him up, tells him he's gonna get Ray Lewis and he's already talked Wade Phillips into taking a demotion/found another good 3-4 DC it'd be pretty hard for Shanahan to walk away and not take his shot.
Wade would not be Shanny's wingman. He'd go elsewhere.
Plus, you know he feels like he could sucker punch the weak NFC, especially since I believe the NFC East gets the NFC West next year.
The NFC East is the best division in the NFL. He couldn't win but 1 division title in the AFCW in 10 years and couldn't even beat out the 8-8 Chargers this year and he's gonne think he can skunk the Eagles, Giants and Redskins in two years?

I don't get the logic of any of this.

Inkana7

01-03-2009, 11:26 AM

Footsteps, the Cowboys have a bit more talent than we do.

Dutch

01-03-2009, 11:29 AM

Been thinking about this since the day it was anounced that Mike was fired, he had that little Irish gleam in his eye when asked if he would take time off or look to get right back in with another team. I'll bet Mike is waiting for the Colts to get done with their playoff run, and then see what Dungey will do. There has been a ton of speculation in Indy (one of my best friends is from there and a huge Colts fan) that Tony might be hanging it up this year to begin doing ministry work. I truely believe that Tony would want to have something in place for the organization and for Peyton before he would commit to leaving. You know this would thrill the Colts organization. It would make me want to hurl, but it would not suprise me in the least. He just seems like he already knows something that nobody else is in on. Could just be Mike being Mike, but I don't think so.

Inkana7

01-03-2009, 11:32 AM

The Colts have already named their D-Coordinator as the next Head Coach when Dungy steps down.

Taco John

01-03-2009, 11:35 AM

I think Shanahan is angling to go to the Chargers. Maybe even the Chiefs. Either team would make it so that he's still relatively close to his new home in Denver.

Bronx33

01-03-2009, 11:36 AM

The Colts have already named their D-Coordinator as the next Head Coach when Dungy steps down.

cauldwell?

Bronx33

01-03-2009, 11:37 AM

I think Shanahan is angling to go to the Chargers. Maybe even the Chiefs. Either team would make it so that he's still relatively close to his new home in Denver.

It would certainly would be a great move in his quest for the perfect tan.

Dagmar

01-03-2009, 11:42 AM

I think Shanahan is angling to go to the Chargers. Maybe even the Chiefs. Either team would make it so that he's still relatively close to his new home in Denver.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

Dudeskey

01-03-2009, 11:42 AM

cauldwell?

No Meeks... I think Caldwell is the QB coach...

Meck77

01-03-2009, 11:46 AM

I think Mike's taking a year off and collecting cash from Pat while he finishes his house and restaurant.

and his battle for $30Million dollars he face losing via eminent domain in Denver.

Shanny's head was not in the game all season and Bowlen knew it.

Taco John

01-03-2009, 11:49 AM

and his battle for $30Million dollars he face losing via eminent domain in Denver.

Shanny's head was not in the game all season and Bowlen knew it.

I've never seen a coach with 7 runningbacks go on Injured Reserve compete for a playoff spot.

"His head wasn't in the game..." ::)

footstepsfrom#27

01-03-2009, 11:54 AM

I've never seen a coach with 7 runningbacks go on Injured Reserve compete for a playoff spot.

"His head wasn't in the game..." ::)
I've never seen 8-8 win a division title...or if I have I can't remember it. I guess you could take solace in the fact we'd have been pushing the Cardinals...but is that really the bar we want?

I think not.

Borks147

01-03-2009, 11:57 AM

I think Shanahan is angling to go to the Chargers. Maybe even the Chiefs. Either team would make it so that he's still relatively close to his new home in Denver.

maybe this might have been said before, but the entire reason norv turner is the coach in SD is because the GM there wanted a puppet at head coach. Shanny is no puppet. IF he is staying in the AFC west, its to the Chiefs, where the GM spot is now vacant and he could have some semblance of the power he had in Denver.

Meck77

01-03-2009, 11:59 AM

Yet we averaged 4.8 yards per carry. Almost tops in the league. We abandoned the run all too often. Raider game comes to mind.

As far as Shanny's stress level all I can say is it's real. Unfortunately I'm in a similar boat to Shanny. I've spoken directly to some of the RTD board members (same a-holes I've been fighting for 15 months now). They flat out told me Shanny has been raising hell. Shanny originally thought he could shake this eminent domain think like I did. Then reality set in for him right in the middle of the season.

If someone tried to steal 10 bucks from you at the corner station you wouldn't hand it over. Shanny isn't about to hand over 30 Million without a fight.

I don't expect you to understand. Your the same guy who had a hard time seeing Jake Plummer take the Broncos to the AFC championship game. Complaining week in week out how we were winning ugly. Taco I gave you your props the other day. I realize "being right" is more important to you. For me I just like seeing the Broncos perform well.

After this next coach comes and goes you'll have some experience under your belt what it's like to see coaches come and go with the Denver Broncos. It happens when the team sucks and under performs.

I'll send you a poster of Shanny so you can hang him up by your Griese poster.;D

Taco John

01-03-2009, 11:59 AM

maybe this might have been said before, but the entire reason norv turner is the coach in SD is because the GM there wanted a puppet at head coach. Shanny is no puppet. IF he is staying in the AFC west, its to the Chiefs, where the GM spot is now vacant and he could have some semblance of the power he had in Denver.

AJ's job is far from safe.

Taco John

01-03-2009, 12:02 PM

I don't expect you to understand. Your the same guy who had a hard time seeing Jake Plummer take the Broncos to the AFC championship game. Complaining week in week out how we were winning ugly.

I wasn't complaining that we were winning ugly. I was complaining that Jake Plummer sucked.

Meck77

01-03-2009, 12:04 PM

I wasn't complaining that we were winning ugly. I was complaining that Jake Plummer sucked.

And Shanny is gone because his defense SUCKED. The TEAM was not heading in the right direction. Yes the offense has tons of upside but the TEAM was regressing and thank God Pat has GUTS!

Taco you run a good board but your ability to be objective about the direction of this football team is a joke. It's all good though. That is why we have this fantasy land call the omane.

TonyR

01-03-2009, 12:05 PM

maybe this might have been said before, but the entire reason norv turner is the coach in SD is because the GM there wanted a puppet at head coach.

Another reason, if I remember correctly, is that they fired Marty pretty late and there weren't a lot of other candidates available.

Taco John

01-03-2009, 12:07 PM

And Shanny is gone because his defense SUCKED. The TEAM was not heading in the right direction. Yes the offense has tons of upside but the TEAM was regressing and thank God Pat has GUTS!

Mmmm hmmm.. Whatever you say...

summerdenver

01-03-2009, 12:08 PM

I could see Shanahan doing it, for one big reason.

The greatest coaches in recent football history are Mike Shanahan, Bill Parcells, and Bill Belicheck. Despite having more wins and more rings Shanahan is often viewed as a step behind Parcells (see HOF discussion, the media love on Parcells already has him as a first ballot lock, while people try and debate Shanahan's credentials).

If he goes to Dallas and takes the team Parcells failed to win a playoff game with and bailed on to a title he immediately one ups Parcells and by proxy Belicheck. He goes down as the greatest coach of the last 20+ years and is immediately on the same tier as his mentor, Bill Walsh.

He's obviously not opposed to having T.O. on his team and he definitely knows how to use a TE like Witten. He'd be a huge boost for Romo's career as well, who plays like a rich man's Jake Plummer anyway.

He'd have them contending for a title next year and he could very possibly go back to back in a very short window there. He doesn't need to get along with Jerry Jones forever, just long enough to seal the deal. Also I think he and Jerry have a lot of the same issues in that they both love superstars, no matter how they might be aging.

If Jerry Jones calls him up, tells him he's gonna get Ray Lewis and he's already talked Wade Phillips into taking a demotion/found another good 3-4 DC it'd be pretty hard for Shanahan to walk away and not take his shot.

Plus, you know he feels like he could sucker punch the weak NFC, especially since I believe the NFC East gets the NFC West next year.

I agree with you Drek. If Mike coaches this year he would go to a place which gives him a realistic chance of winning a SB above anything else. Dal has as much talent as any team. I also don't think it is far fetched to think Wade won't stay as DC. If you think about it, Wade won't be considered for other HC vacancies if he is fired. If he stays with the Dal he would be the highest paid coordinator - heck at 3 mil per year, he would make more than some of the HCs.

TonyR

01-03-2009, 12:09 PM

Yet we averaged 4.8 yards per carry. Almost tops in the league. We abandoned the run all too often. Raider game comes to mind.

Yes, we were 12th in the league in rushing YPG and tied for 2nd in YPC. And yes, we were blown out by the Raiders at home with a healthy Hillis. The "if we had a running back/running game" excuse is not a sound one.

TonyR

01-03-2009, 12:10 PM

Mmmm hmmm.. Whatever you say...

What was there to disagree with?

summerdenver

01-03-2009, 12:18 PM

Adam Schefter just reported on NFLN that Shanahan to Dallas won't happen this year. He said that Jones won't make a coaching change this year.

Bronx33

01-03-2009, 12:20 PM

Adam Schefter just reported on NFLN that Shanahan to Dallas won't happen this year. He said that Jones won't make a coaching change this year.

I wonder what shanahan could do with romo/ jake plummer 2.0.

summerdenver

01-03-2009, 12:31 PM

I wonder what shanahan could do with romo/ jake plummer 2.0.

With that OL, Barber, Felix Jones, Jason Witten, TO, Choice et al, I am pretty sure Mike will instantly make them the favorite for SB.

Drek

01-03-2009, 01:06 PM

Did Mike offer TO a job? I might be wrong but I think he chose to pass on that asshat even though he considered it. Surely he'd pass NOW though, having seen his latest version of that tired act.
Shanahan was willing to discuss dollars with T.O., Dallas offered a lot more. Had nothing to do with Shanahan "passing".

How would Mike run a stretch zone running game with the elephantine Dallas linemen? He'd spend 3 years just building the O-line to get what he wanted. Jones has shown himself reluctant to wait longer than that.
He wouldn't. The ZBS is more a Gibbs/Turner thing that Shanahan is willing to roll with. He won't take the effort to reinstall it when Dallas isn't a bad running team as it is. They'll run white bread running and pass heavily.

Wade would not be Shanny's wingman. He'd go elsewhere.
Probably, though the best he's looking at if he left is a DC position with a team that'd pay him less and he'd be less familiar with. Even if he did though, there are a decent number of good 3-4 DC options (Mangini, Nolan).

The NFC East is the best division in the NFL. He couldn't win but 1 division title in the AFCW in 10 years and couldn't even beat out the 8-8 Chargers this year and he's gonne think he can skunk the Eagles, Giants and Redskins in two years?
The Cowboys current team should easily be able to beat the 'Skins, the Eagles could very well get blown up if they don't have a solid playoff showing, and the Giants D could take a heavy blow from losing Spagnuolo. Even if none of that happens, the Cowboys were the best team in the NFC last year before choking in the playoffs. Some capable offensive coaching and they could be back there pretty easily.

Just because you don't like the Cowboys doesn't mean the job wouldn't be highly appealing to someone who wants to win ASAP.

Bronx33

01-03-2009, 01:09 PM

With that OL, Barber, Felix Jones, Jason Witten, TO, Choice et al, I am pretty sure Mike will instantly make them the favorite for SB.

To sadly fall short via a annual romo playoff run meltdown yep it sounds familiar.

Jesterhole

01-03-2009, 01:32 PM

I'd be happy to get Shanahan out of the AFC, to be honest...

oubronco

01-03-2009, 02:30 PM

http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/denver/drew/DREW010109.gif

Bronx33

01-03-2009, 02:32 PM

Lmao! Now That's Funny!

chex

01-03-2009, 02:57 PM

Bronx33

01-03-2009, 03:00 PM

We're only an Indy blowout win away from seeing Shanahan in SD. Makes sense. Chargers fire coach & GM, citing same reasons we did. Shanny takes over the supposed most talented team in the AFC and he wins with a team he didn't get his fingerprints on

Smith says Turner will return in 2009

http://www.kffl.com/player/8298/NFL

Mike could be made coach in 2010

Merlin

01-03-2009, 03:33 PM

Smith says Turner will return in 2009

http://www.kffl.com/player/8298/NFL

Mike could be made coach in 2010
If they get beat, like the probably will, I bet even Smith might be in trouble if he tries to keep Turner. From 14-2 to 11-5 to 8-8. Any GM that tries to keep such a coach should be fired, especially when such a record was achieved in one of the weakest divisions in the NFL, and the weakest AFC west in yrs.

As I stated before, my biggest fear is Shanny going go to SD, because Denver will become nothing but an afterthought in the division for at least 3-4 yrs, and the Bronco fans will remember why it was we admired him. The worst part of not waiting another yr for the change is the fact that Shanny has been handed to Denver's biggest rival on a silver platter. SD with Shanny has the potential of multiple SBs, and I could do without that (especially since some of the "fans" are becoming more obnoxious than KC fans [not Raider fan, since he is the biggest idiot in existence]).

TonyR

01-03-2009, 08:05 PM

JETS, SHANAHAN COULD STILL TALK
Posted by Mike Florio on January 3, 2009, 9:28 p.m. EST
Late Friday night, the New York Daily News reported that former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan had snubbed the Jets.

Now, Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the Jets reached out (apparently again) to Shanahan’s representative on Saturday.

Per Schefter, Shanahan’s lawyer told the Jets that the coach plans to take two weeks off before considering other opportunities, as Shanahan himself previously told NFL Network.

Schefter says it’s possible that the Jets will speak to Shanahan after the two-week window closes. If, of course, they still have a vacancy at that time.

When Shanahan was fired, a league source opined to us that the Jets would make a run at Shanahan, if for no reason other than to help sell Personal Seat Licenses at their new stadium.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/01/03/jets-shanahan-could-still-talk/

TonyR

01-03-2009, 09:02 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3808287

TomServo

01-03-2009, 11:27 PM

I've never seen a coach with 7 runningbacks go on Injured Reserve compete for a playoff spot.

"His head wasn't in the game..."
and in my lifetime ive never seen a coach go 24 and 24 in three years and keep his job. didnt matter if his name was landry shula or even red miller or dan reeves.

footstepsfrom#27

01-03-2009, 11:42 PM

As I stated before, my biggest fear is Shanny going go to SD, because Denver will become nothing but an afterthought in the division for at least 3-4 yrs, and the Bronco fans will remember why it was we admired him. The worst part of not waiting another yr for the change is the fact that Shanny has been handed to Denver's biggest rival on a silver platter. SD with Shanny has the potential of multiple SBs, and I could do without that
Why does this thinking predominate on this board? Frankly Shanahan has achieved less in the last 10 years than Norv Turner. If you subtract out the ill-fated Jokeland seasons (nobody can win there), Turner's got 3 division titles and a 5-2 playoff record to Shanny's 1 title and 1 playoff win. Coaches don't all go on forever. Sometimes they burn out and I think Shanahan is already there. His game has suffered considerably the last several years, so wherever he goes there's no reason to believe he's going to suddenly revert back to 1998 form. He might...but he might also bomb.

TomServo

01-04-2009, 01:44 AM

the shanahan fanatics scream about how the bengals or the other league dregs would love an 8-8 record. the minute we become happy with an 8-8 7-9, 9-7 record, the sooner we leave the leagues elite like the cowboys or the stealers.
O yay! we have broke even the last 3 years. f that. f shanahan because we lost to the lions last year. we lost to the chiefs. we lost to the jags. we lost to the raiders at home. we lost to the crappy bills at home.
worst playoff drought since the early 70's.
i really, really, want to see how shanahan does without a HOF qb.

go_broncos

01-04-2009, 08:42 AM

Let Mike go wherever he wants.

He doesn't motivate players.

Doesn't know anything about defense.

We kept losing games to inferior teams every year.

I am happy that Bowlen realized this and fired him.

If any team is hiring him as coach, be prepared for 7-9 or 8-8 season.

When i am watching other games, I can see how soft our players are..

Its really frustrating.

I hope our new coach will bring good players so that we can compete with SD, pit etc..

TonyR

01-04-2009, 12:16 PM

Frankly Shanahan has achieved less in the last 10 years than Norv Turner.

I was thinking the same thing last night after the chargers win. Norv has accomplished more in his two years in San Diego than Shanahan has in the last 10.

TheReverend

01-04-2009, 12:40 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3808287

Good article.

I love Cutler, but it's fun to wonder what might have been had Romo taken Shanny's offer over Jerry Jones' in 2003. Maybe those two firsts in 06 become defensive playmakers... maybe one's even on the DL keeping trash off Al and he's still playing.

The randomness of the world is so fun. Like the Tim Rattay/Tom Brady coin flip.

Merlin

01-04-2009, 01:28 PM

I was thinking the same thing last night after the chargers win. Norv has accomplished more in his two years in San Diego than Shanahan has in the last 10.
With FAR more talent than Shanny has had in the past 10 yrs. In fact, the yr he had a little talent he went to the AFC championship game. Norv was given the best team in football talent wise and has produced NOTHING of consequence. With that team Shanny would have easily already won a couple of SBs. That is the difference.

Norv has basically attempted to destroy an incredibly talented team in a manner of 3 yrs, something Shanny has never done and nor has any decent coach. If you want to be deluded by a couple of wins that instead should have been 2 SBs, so be it.

TonyR

01-04-2009, 01:37 PM

With FAR more talent than Shanny has had in the past 10 yrs.... If you want to be deluded by a couple of wins...

True, and perhaps Shanny would have done better with that talent. We'll never know. What we DO know is that Shanny is responsible for the lack of talent over the past 10 years. And I'm not deluded at all, only stating a fact. Nowhere did I say Norv is a better coach.

TheReverend

01-04-2009, 03:00 PM

True, and perhaps Shanny would have done better with that talent. We'll never know. What we DO know is that Shanny is responsible for the lack of talent over the past 10 years. And I'm not deluded at all, only stating a fact. Nowhere did I say Norv is a better coach.

If you want to be deluded by the "VP of football operations" title, yet absolve responsibility from the "CEO of the Denver Broncos" title, that's just cute.

One thing that was BLATANTLY clear from the PC was Shanahan giving credit to those around him and how much he relied on them and how the Goodman's had succeeded in the draft the last three years, where you can deduce that Sunquist had the voice of influence before them and was rightly fired for his ineffectiveness.

"Titles mean nothing." "You want to find people in every area who can do that job better than you, otherwise, you just do it yourself"

--Mike Shanahan, HoF coach, Class Act, Temporarily Underappreciated in Denver.

nicademo

01-04-2009, 03:02 PM

I think Mike's taking a year off and collecting cash from Pat while he finishes his house and restaurant.

I kind of think that is the case as well, then he will for the second time subplant Wade Philps....then lead Dallas to a Super Bowl...probably only coach there 5 years though as no one can deal with Jerry Jones for much longer...

Merlin

01-04-2009, 04:38 PM

where you can deduce that Sunquist had the voice of influence before them and was rightly fired for his ineffectiveness.
And Sunquist was Bowlen's man, not Shanny's. Although Denver has been horrendous in some D and FA acquisitions, it would be really interesting to know how many of those choices were driven by Shanny rather than him listening to his people.

However, his picks on D coordinators does fall on him. All of them have failed. Even Coyer (Rohdes has been nothing special either), who some have been feeling nostalgic about was let go by TB, even though their DC is leaving, and the internal person they had in mind (Morris) is likely to leave. This basically tells us he was right to fire them, but wrong to hire them. He can't seem to judge a good DC for his life. He has always depended on his offence to keep the D in decent situation.

I realize Coyer did ok for us, but he stunk at adjustments, and it concerns me that TB, an organization famous for D, thought it was better to let him go.

baja

01-04-2009, 04:40 PM

good points

go_broncos

01-04-2009, 04:47 PM

And Sunquist was Bowlen's man, not Shanny's. Although Denver has been horrendous in some D and FA acquisitions, it would be really interesting to know how many of those choices were driven by Shanny rather than him listening to his people.

However, his picks on D coordinators does fall on him. All of them have failed. Even Coyer (Rohdes has been nothing special either), who some have been feeling nostalgic about was let go by TB, even though their DC is leaving, and the internal person they had in mind (Morris) is likely to leave. This basically tells us he was right to fire them, but wrong to hire them. He can't seem to judge a good DC for his life. He has always depended on his offence to keep the D in decent situation.

I realize Coyer did ok for us, but he stunk at adjustments, and it concerns me that TB, an organization famous for D, thought it was better to let him go.

You are right.

I am surprised that Mike told Slowik will be HC next year.

Watching some of the games..I can see huge difference between Denver and other teams on defensive side.

I hope that we show some improvement on defense next year.

No coach will survive if the team wins only one playoff game in 10 years.

Even Mike has accepted that he failed.

TheReverend

01-04-2009, 04:57 PM

TheReverend

01-04-2009, 05:00 PM

And Sunquist was Bowlen's man, not Shanny's. Although Denver has been horrendous in some D and FA acquisitions, it would be really interesting to know how many of those choices were driven by Shanny rather than him listening to his people.

However, his picks on D coordinators does fall on him. All of them have failed. Even Coyer (Rohdes has been nothing special either), who some have been feeling nostalgic about was let go by TB, even though their DC is leaving, and the internal person they had in mind (Morris) is likely to leave. This basically tells us he was right to fire them, but wrong to hire them. He can't seem to judge a good DC for his life. He has always depended on his offence to keep the D in decent situation.

I realize Coyer did ok for us, but he stunk at adjustments, and it concerns me that TB, an organization famous for D, thought it was better to let him go.

The first paragraph is circumspect.

The bolded section deserves a closer look: Does it really? It was a smart pick promoting Coyer who was a phenomenal positional coach and had a great reg season track record aside from his post season failings.

He was replaced with a DC legend. Now was it Shanny replacing him mid-season without a shot of the scheme sticking, or Bowlen asserting his power? Before this off-season, I would've guessed Shanahan, however, since that period, it seems to bear that Bowlen likes to flex his incoherent intoxicated muscles, so who knows?

Merlin

01-04-2009, 06:17 PM

The first paragraph is circumspect.
I remember reading that after he got fired. As to the hires, I agree that Bates had a good record, however, it was clear that it was with personnel far different than Denver's, and he should have either given him a couple of yrs or not hired him...it was stupid to assume the team could adapt with the personnel it had. As it was, Bates's system was poor against the run, but now he had to run it with poor fits across the board in the front 7. As much as I disliked Bates record in Denver, Shanny has some responsibility here.

As to Coyer, I use to have more respect for him until TB dumped him. They rather risk having nobody of any seniority there than have him...it speaks volumes as far as I'm concerned.

PS as to Shanny's firing, I think it is the most moronic move I have seen this franchise ever make (especially with the problems he had to overcome this yr), and I just hope it doesn't come back and bite them worst than Gruden bit Davis. I don't think there has ever been a firing in which a HC left a powerhouse in offence like Shanny left here. Lets just hope Bowlen doesn't screw it up.

TheReverend

01-04-2009, 07:02 PM

I remember reading that after he got fired. As to the hires, I agree that Bates had a good record, however, it was clear that it was with personnel far different than Denver's, and he should have either given him a couple of yrs or not hired him...it was stupid to assume the team could adapt with the personnel it had. As it was, Bates's system was poor against the run, but now he had to run it with poor fits across the board in the front 7. As much as I disliked Bates record in Denver, Shanny has some responsibility here.

As to Coyer, I use to have more respect for him until TB dumped him. They rather risk having nobody of any seniority there than have him...it speaks volumes as far as I'm concerned.

PS as to Shanny's firing, I think it is the most moronic move I have seen this franchise ever make (especially with the problems he had to overcome this yr), and I just hope it doesn't come back and bite them worst than Gruden bit Davis. I don't think there has ever been a firing in which a HC left a powerhouse in offence like Shanny left here. Lets just hope Bowlen doesn't screw it up.

This is a solid post all the way around. I certainly don't agree with everything, but it's a VERY solid post.

Your PS is dead the **** on.