Mock v2.0

[Northman]

Round 1: Rey Maualuga LB (USC)
Round 2: Shonn Greene RB (Iowa)
Round 3: Nick Harris S (Oklahoma)
Round 4: Shawn Nelson TE (Southern Miss)
Round 5: Jasper Brinkley LB (South Carolina)
Round 5: Max Unger C (Oregon)
Round 5: Andre Brown RB (N.C State)
Round 6: Lawrence Sidbury DE (Richmond)
Round 7: Greg Carr WR (Florida State)
Round 7: Stephen Hodge S (TCU)

[lex]

Round 1: Rey Maualuga LB (USC)
Round 2: Shonn Greene RB (Iowa)
Round 3: Nick Harris S (Oklahoma)
Round 4: Shawn Nelson TE (Southern Miss)
Round 5: Jasper Brinkley LB (South Carolina)
Round 5: Max Unger C (Oregon) Wont be around.
Round 5: Andre Brown RB (N.C State)
Round 6: Lawrence Sidbury DE (Richmond)
Round 7: Greg Carr WR (Florida State)
Round 7: Stephen Hodge S (TCU)

I dont like the ones in red. Also, Id rather have Spikes than Maualuga but Maualuga would be better than L'itis.

Carr was one of the guys I liked early. It seems like there is some potential but the guy has just been so unproductive.

[ayjackson]

I'd like to see more dlineman, but I don't have a handle on the talent yet.

[Northman]

I dont like the ones in red. Also, Id rather have Spikes than Maualuga but Maualuga would be better than L'itis.

Carr was one of the guys I liked early. It seems like there is some potential but the guy has just been so unproductive.

Ironically, i kind of dabbled between Unger and Kelly from Clemson. But figured i would throw in someone on the Oline since i think Kelly and Carr are about a wash.

[oubronco]

no DT's we need beef up front

[Northman]

I dont think we really need DT, DE maybe and im alright with that. But a lot of this comes from my hope that we sign a DE in the offseason.

[kdissette]

I really hope we dont take Chris Wells in the 1st it would be a total waste. I am very leary of picking up a back that has had foot injuries and missed alot of time. I think if we go RB we should take Moreno he has a much bigger upside and has alot less miles and injuries and is a serious threat in the passing game. I think we could find a pretty good MLB in the 2nd or use our 2nd and 3rd and a 5th to trade into the 1st again and take spikes or laurinitis. we have some depth and i think we can fix our Safety problems in FA hopefully or find a durable guy late.

[ohiobronco2]

I really hope we dont take Chris Wells in the 1st it would be a total waste. I am very leary of picking up a back that has had foot injuries and missed alot of time. I think if we go RB we should take Moreno he has a much bigger upside and has alot less miles and injuries and is a serious threat in the passing game. I think we could find a pretty good MLB in the 2nd or use our 2nd and 3rd and a 5th to trade into the 1st again and take spikes or laurinitis. we have some depth and i think we can fix our Safety problems in FA hopefully or find a durable guy late.

I know somebody, who knows Dave Purdy. Dave played at OSU some years ago and is a radio personality here in Columbus area. Anyways, it was discussed that Beanie often fakes injuries in practice because he doesn't like to participate, because he feels he is good enough. I'm not saying that it is true, but it certainly is interesting. I get all the Buckeye scoop, my wife works for a podiatrist and she informed me that Kirk Barton got a procedure performed last year before the NFL draft. ;D

[BroncoMan4ever]

I dont like the ones in red. Also, Id rather have Spikes than Maualuga but Maualuga would be better than L'itis.

Carr was one of the guys I liked early. It seems like there is some potential but the guy has just been so unproductive.

i have to ask Lex, what is your deal with not liking Greene. he could come in and immediately be a top 10 RB in the league.

[BroncoMan4ever]

I know somebody, who knows Dave Purdy. Dave played at OSU some years ago and is a radio personality here in Columbus area. Anyways, it was discussed that Beanie often fakes injuries in practice because he doesn't like to participate, because he feels he is good enough. I'm not saying that it is true, but it certainly is interesting. I get all the Buckeye scoop, my wife works for a podiatrist and she informed me that Kirk Barton got a procedure performed last year before the NFL draft. ;D


get a good HC who will ride his ass til he pukes and that will change. plus in the NFL getting his clock cleaned a few times by a 250+lbs LB that will hit him like a truck will also change his thought process on thinking he is good enough.

[lex]

i have to ask Lex, what is your deal with not liking Greene. he could come in and immediately be a top 10 RB in the league.

I was big on him for a while but after watching him enough, Im just not sold on the idea that he is fast enough. I like his pad level, though. I also think that of all the RBs in college, he runs in the most RB friendly system, which happens to be similar to ours. And just because he looks good in that system, that doesnt mean he would be better in our system at the next level. Perhaps, James Davis would be better in our system? I think watching Greene this year and watching some other guys is a little apples and oranges.

[skpac1001]

get a good HC who will ride his ass til he pukes and that will change. plus in the NFL getting his clock cleaned a few times by a 250+ LB that will hit him like a truck will also change his thought process on thinking he is good enough.

I am still a little sick from the last Ohio St rb we took with poor work habits.

[BroncoMan4ever]

I was big on him for a while but after watching him enough, Im just not sold on the idea that he is fast enough. I like his pad level, though. I also think that of all the RBs in college, he runs in the most RB friendly system, which happens to be similar to ours. And just because he looks good in that system, that doesnt mean he would be better in our system at the next level. Perhaps, James Davis would be better in our system? I think watching Greene this year and watching some other guys is a little apples and oranges.

true he isn't a burner. but after repeatedly ending up with really fast guys who are brought down by shoelace tackles, i am ready for a bigger stronger guy who may be slower but will produce a lot more.

i think with his running style and strength he could be really special, even if he doesn't have homerun speed. he has good vision, never shies away from contact, never goes down on the 1st touch and always falls forward. he is a workhorse.

[BroncoMan4ever]

I am still a little sick from the last Ohio St rb we took with poor work habits.

true, although had Clarett gotten past his off field crap and not acted like a dikwad on the field, he would have turned into one of the best RB's in the league.

[socalorado]

true he isn't a burner. but after repeatedly ending up with really fast guys who are brought down by shoelace tackles, i am ready for a bigger stronger guy who may be slower but will produce a lot more.

i think with his running style and strength he could be really special, even if he doesn't have homerun speed. he has good vision, never shies away from contact, never goes down on the 1st touch and always falls forward. he is a workhorse.

13 straight 100 yard games. Only RB to do it this year.
He would be perfect in DEN.

[lex]

true he isn't a burner. but after repeatedly ending up with really fast guys who are brought down by shoelace tackles, i am ready for a bigger stronger guy who may be slower but will produce a lot more.

i think with his running style and strength he could be really special, even if he doesn't have homerun speed. he has good vision, never shies away from contact, never goes down on the 1st touch and always falls forward. he is a workhorse.

I hear you but getting someone who can break tackles shouldnt mean getting someone who is slow. Hillis can break tackles. We have that in Hillis. Im actually in favor of taking Beanie Wells in Rd 1. But either way, Im not sold that Greene is better than other RBs for us.

[watermock]

He looked plenty fast against SC today.

[Play2win]

Do you really think Greene is going to last to our spot in the 2nd round after how he performed today?

(honest question)

[BroncoMan4ever]

I hear you but getting someone who can break tackles shouldnt mean getting someone who is slow. Hillis can break tackles. We have that in Hillis. Im actually in favor of taking Beanie Wells in Rd 1. But either way, Im not sold that Greene is better than other RBs for us.

not only breaking tackles, but he is the type of RB who will guarantee 5 yards per carry, as well as break the occasional long run. he doesn't have track star speed, but i don't see him getting pulled down from behind once he gets through the defense. he will make it mandatory for the opposition to bring an 8th man into the box and give Jay better passing options.

Hillis can be a great short yardage RB for us as well as a Chris Cooley type for us. But I think we would be better served also having a big bruiser to pair with him.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Do you really think Greene is going to last to our spot in the 2nd round after how he performed today?

(honest question)

44th pick in the draft it will be a gamble, which is why i want us to find a way to trade back from the 12th pick to somewhere in the 20's, pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick to move up in the 2nd and get him.

[AbileneBroncoFan]

As much as I want a superstar runningback, we need to draft Taylor Mays, assuming he grades out appropriately at the combine. He is an Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu type of game changer with similar speed, except that he is bigger and stronger. We passed on Reed to pick Lelie. I agree we need linebacker help, but I'm not sold on any of the top prospects. You can ALWAYS find good running backs in the 2nd, 3rd, and usually 4th rounds. There's usually a linebacker that will slip into the second. But the top rated playmaker at safety NEVER slips far. Reed somehow slipped to 24, but if Mays falls to us at 12, there should be no hesitation in getting the card to the podium. Unless we feel we can trade down a couple of spots and still pick him up. I am not opposed to acquiring a later first round pick in addition to the one we have to nab whichever LB or DE/DT slips. We have enough picks this year to do something like that. And keep in mind Suggs is a free agent. I would much rather have him than any of the top LBs in this drafts, unless Maualuga is a beast at the combine.

[Northman]

Do you really think Greene is going to last to our spot in the 2nd round after how he performed today?

(honest question)


Maybe not, but keep in mind this is just an early glance. Going by the blueprint mock ive measured mine against he was still available at that pick. But sure, as time goes on here he could very easily rise up the draft chart. I will have another update in a few weeks that could be changed again.

[Northman]

As much as I want a superstar runningback, we need to draft Taylor Mays, assuming he grades out appropriately at the combine. He is an Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu type of game changer with similar speed, except that he is bigger and stronger. We passed on Reed to pick Lelie. I agree we need linebacker help, but I'm not sold on any of the top prospects. You can ALWAYS find good running backs in the 2nd, 3rd, and usually 4th rounds. There's usually a linebacker that will slip into the second. But the top rated playmaker at safety NEVER slips far. Reed somehow slipped to 24, but if Mays falls to us at 12, there should be no hesitation in getting the card to the podium. Unless we feel we can trade down a couple of spots and still pick him up. I am not opposed to acquiring a later first round pick in addition to the one we have to nab whichever LB or DE/DT slips. We have enough picks this year to do something like that. And keep in mind Suggs is a free agent. I would much rather have him than any of the top LBs in this drafts, unless Maualuga is a beast at the combine.


Mays is good but not the be all end all to safeties this year. There are a good few of them out there including Hodge who i doubt will stay unnoticed for very much longer.

[lex]

not only breaking tackles, but he is the type of RB who will guarantee 5 yards per carry, as well as break the occasional long run. he doesn't have track star speed, but i don't see him getting pulled down from behind once he gets through the defense. he will make it mandatory for the opposition to bring an 8th man into the box and give Jay better passing options.

Hillis can be a great short yardage RB for us as well as a Chris Cooley type for us. But I think we would be better served also having a big bruiser to pair with him.

Kvatch.

[Broncos_OTM]

Round 1: Rey Maualuga LB (USC)
Round 2: Shonn Greene RB (Iowa)
Round 3: Nick Harris S (Oklahoma)
Round 4: Shawn Nelson TE (Southern Miss)
Round 5: Jasper Brinkley LB (South Carolina)
Round 5: Max Unger C (Oregon)
Round 5: Andre Brown RB (N.C State)
Round 6: Lawrence Sidbury DE (Richmond)
Round 7: Greg Carr WR (Florida State)
Round 7: Stephen Hodge S (TCU)

i dont like rey rey for the 4-3

im ok with green

Nic Harris is a SS and unless the team doesnt like Barrett i think this is a bad pick

Are you going 3-4? defense brinkely is a dud in the four three to slow. and if you are going 3-4 you missed a NT which makes the d run
i think the pick could be used elsewhere
i think you severely undervalued unger

Two running backs. i am not up to speed on this guy but

[elsid13]

Do you really think Greene is going to last to our spot in the 2nd round after how he performed today?

(honest question)

I do because I don't think he going to run that well at combine, plus I don't think he really 5-11 at 240 like Iowa has him listed as. Beside one performance at bowl game doesn't make that much of difference.

[nickademus]

true he isn't a burner. but after repeatedly ending up with really fast guys who are brought down by shoelace tackles, i am ready for a bigger stronger guy who may be slower but will produce a lot more.

i think with his running style and strength he could be really special, even if he doesn't have homerun speed. he has good vision, never shies away from contact, never goes down on the 1st touch and always falls forward. he is a workhorse.

If I have to pick a back I am going with Moreno but if we are talking second or third I would take Davis over Green but just barely I think this stuff will get sorted out at the combine. I think there are probably three second tier backs that I group together and honestly I seem to favor the back who I have watched more recently. although Green looked pretty damn good in his bowl game.

[Northman]

i dont like rey rey for the 4-3

im ok with green

Nic Harris is a SS and unless the team doesnt like Barrett i think this is a bad pick

Are you going 3-4? defense brinkely is a dud in the four three to slow. and if you are going 3-4 you missed a NT which makes the d run
i think the pick could be used elsewhere
i think you severely undervalued unger

Two running backs. i am not up to speed on this guy but


Fair points but i do believe Rey would be ok in the 4-3, just my opinion. Agreed, i like Greene a lot. Harris may be a SS but ive played the position and there isnt much transition FS to SS so i think Harris would be ok moving or even Barrett. Doesnt really matter, we just need some quality players back there. And no, im not thinking of terms of 3-4. I personally hate that scheme. As for Unger, based upon the Mock i was looking at he was projected to go in the 5th so that is why i considered him there. As ive previously mentioned, this is yet just another step of my mock and players will rise and fall before draft day. Maybe Unger moves up but i went with the projections i had to work with at the moment.

[nickademus]

If we are not going to use a first on Moreno I would be happy with either Green or Davis the other kid I like is the running back from Liberty, he has dominated the competition at his level and that is all you can ask of a guy in a lesser league, I will be watching him the closest at the combine.

[Northman]

If I have to pick a back I am going with Moreno but if we are talking second or third I would take Davis over Green but just barely I think this stuff will get sorted out at the combine. I think there are probably three second tier backs that I group together and honestly I seem to favor the back who I have watched more recently. although Green looked pretty damn good in his bowl game.

I wouldnt object to Davis.

[AbileneBroncoFan]

Mays is good but not the be all end all to safeties this year. There are a good few of them out there including Hodge who i doubt will stay unnoticed for very much longer.

If we can get a star talent at safety later in the draft, I'm all for it. I've been waiting for Mays to come out since I saw him as a frosh, but I want to see how everyone performs at the combine before difinitively saying we have to take a guy. If Curry falls as some people are saying, that would be a good choice. But if we take a RB or Laurinaitis (who I do not believe will live up to the hype) over a defensive playmaker, I'll be a little pissed.

[Bob]

I dont think we really need DT, DE maybe and im alright with that. But a lot of this comes from my hope that we sign a DE in the offseason.

Do you work for the Broncos front office, and dont they have some type of drug abuse policy?

[Northman]

Do you work for the Broncos front office, and dont they have some type of drug abuse policy?

Nah man, we toke up every morning.

[Play2win]

I would be ECSTATIC with Rey-Rey and GREENE as our first two selections.

As long as we followed up with the usual Goodmanesque fare for our remaining pick I would be partying in the streets!!

!Booya! :alky: !Booya!

[Northman]

If we can get a star talent at safety later in the draft, I'm all for it. I've been waiting for Mays to come out since I saw him as a frosh, but I want to see how everyone performs at the combine before difinitively saying we have to take a guy. If Curry falls as some people are saying, that would be a good choice. But if we take a RB or Laurinaitis (who I do not believe will live up to the hype) over a defensive playmaker, I'll be a little pissed.

Totally agree.

[Breaker]

Round 1: Rey Maualuga LB (USC)
Round 2: Shonn Greene RB (Iowa)
Round 3: Nick Harris S (Oklahoma)
Round 4: Shawn Nelson TE (Southern Miss)
Round 5: Jasper Brinkley LB (South Carolina)
Round 5: Max Unger C (Oregon)
Round 5: Andre Brown RB (N.C State)
Round 6: Lawrence Sidbury DE (Richmond)
Round 7: Greg Carr WR (Florida State)
Round 7: Stephen Hodge S (TCU)

Two things.

Why on gods green earth are you drafting 2 RB's when our defense is awful. Second you have half of the players being drafted on offense .. did you watch any of the games? The only offensive player in the draft worth considering is Alex Mack of California because he is a franchise center and we are old at that position.

[Pat Bowlen]

Nah man, we toke up every morning.
Don't bother coming in on Monday, you're fired.

[Northman]

Two things.

Why on gods green earth are you drafting 2 RB's when our defense is awful. Second you have half of the players being drafted on offense .. did you watch any of the games? The only offensive player in the draft worth considering is Alex Mack of California because he is a franchise center and we are old at that position.


Two Things:

1) Our current RB squad is terrible. Have you even watched them the last few years?

2) Depth is always a good thing. Sure, i could stock up on defensive players but at this point in time its not only about depth it is about the QUALITY of the pick being made. And after a certain point defensively the draft gets weak. So why waste picks on players who wont make the team or cant contribute? Why resort back to REACHING for players who may not pan out?

Keep in mind, this list doesnt even cover the FA market.

[Northman]

Don't bother coming in on Monday, you're fired.

Damn Pat, i thought i was in this job for life. What gives?

[elsid13]

Damn Pat, i thought i was in this job for life. What gives?

Don't worry I am sure we can get you a job in Oakland.

[nickademus]

I do think we need a G/C to help with the interior of our line but I am not about to waste a first day pick on a guy when we have last years top college C sitting on our roster. I know he has been hurt some this year but he did make it into our Goal line package towards the end of the season.

[Breaker]

Two Things:

1) Our current RB squad is terrible. Have you even watched them the last few years?

2) Depth is always a good thing. Sure, i could stock up on defensive players but at this point in time its not only about depth it is about the QUALITY of the pick being made. And after a certain point defensively the draft gets weak. So why waste picks on players who wont make the team or cant contribute? Why resort back to REACHING for players who may not pan out?

Keep in mind, this list doesnt even cover the FA market.

1. Our current RB stable is bad but not nearly as crappy as our damn Defense, or I guess you missed the part that had us giving up 30 odd points a game.

2. Derrick Ward is going to be a free agent and he would most likely jump at the chance to come here to be a featured back. He is a proven commodity in this league who has not gotten a chance to shine yet, and is going to be somewhat cheap. Drafting a RB, a position that is historically among the least difficult to find a quality player when we already have 7 Tailbacks is foolish. Especially since whoever we draft is going to be most likely put in a split time situation with one or more of the other guys. Are you really going to spend a second round pick on a guy who is most likely going to see 50% of the carries. Not like we have Steven Jackson, Frank Gore, or a top end stud like that in this draft.

[Traveler]

1. Our current RB stable is bad but not nearly as crappy as our damn Defense, or I guess you missed the part that had us giving up 30 odd points a game.

2. Derrick Ward is going to be a free agent and he would most likely jump at the chance to come here to be a featured back. He is a proven commodity in this league who has not gotten a chance to shine yet, and is going to be somewhat cheap. Drafting a RB, a position that is historically among the least difficult to find a quality player when we already have 7 Tailbacks is foolish. Especially since whoever we draft is going to be most likely put in a split time situation with one or more of the other guys. Are you really going to spend a second round pick on a guy who is most likely going to see 50% of the carries. Not like we have Steven Jackson, Frank Gore, or a top end stud like that in this draft.


I must have missed something. Never heard of this Ward guy.

[Northman]

1. Our current RB stable is bad but not nearly as crappy as our damn Defense, or I guess you missed the part that had us giving up 30 odd points a game.

2. Derrick Ward is going to be a free agent and he would most likely jump at the chance to come here to be a featured back. He is a proven commodity in this league who has not gotten a chance to shine yet, and is going to be somewhat cheap. Drafting a RB, a position that is historically among the least difficult to find a quality player when we already have 7 Tailbacks is foolish. Especially since whoever we draft is going to be most likely put in a split time situation with one or more of the other guys. Are you really going to spend a second round pick on a guy who is most likely going to see 50% of the carries. Not like we have Steven Jackson, Frank Gore, or a top end stud like that in this draft.

Derrick Ward? :rofl:


Um ok, yea.

[Broncoman13]

What's wrong with Derrick Ward?

[Northman]

What's wrong with Derrick Ward?


Well, evidently according to the mastermind Breaker he hasnt had a chance to shine yet (as if any of our backs have had much chance to shine either, go figure). Like our group of guys Ward has spent some quality time on Injured reserve as well. But, again mastermind Breaker thinks that drafting a premier back is a waste of space BECAUSE HE WOULD BE SPLITTING CARRIES with the other backs even though thats exactly what Ward does. So in his mind, rather than get a player who can be the feature back he would like us to waste another roster spot on another guy who is no better than the guys we have currently. Answer your question?

To date, this is the stats for two of our main backs the last few years and Ward. There is nothing mind blowing about Derrick Ward.


Ward- 1750
5 yrs
51 games

Young- 1032
2 yrs
23 games

Bell- 2773
5 yrs
53 games

[nickademus]

I don't like Ward either. I can think of 6 backs in the draft this year that I would take before I would start ward not to mention Torian and Hillis. IMHO Hillis will be moving in to the H-back Chris Cooley role with some time as our short yardage back. Torian will get a shot at the job but he will probably be a backup and I could see a speed guy come in as well Aldridge? No matter what we do we need a starting HB on this team and Ward is not the answer.

[Breaker]

Well, evidently according to the mastermind Breaker he hasnt had a chance to shine yet (as if any of our backs have had much chance to shine either, go figure). Like our group of guys Ward has spent some quality time on Injured reserve as well. But, again mastermind Breaker thinks that drafting a premier back is a waste of space BECAUSE HE WOULD BE SPLITTING CARRIES with the other backs even though thats exactly what Ward does. So in his mind, rather than get a player who can be the feature back he would like us to waste another roster spot on another guy who is no better than the guys we have currently. Answer your question?

To date, this is the stats for two of our main backs the last few years and Ward. There is nothing mind blowing about Derrick Ward.


Ward- 1750
5 yrs
51 games

Young- 1032
2 yrs
23 games

Bell- 2773
5 yrs
53 games

Someone like you going after someone else for intelligence is laughable. You are the one that is drafting a TE in the 4th round when we already have 2 good ones and a nice backup, that shows sheer brilliance :rofl:

Derrick Ward had the following stats this season. This was on not even a true 50/50 split because of Bradshaw and Jacobs. In fact that was only carrying 35% odd percent of the carries for the team. He is a fantastic receiver out of the backfield as well.

Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD
182 1025 64.1 5.6 2

Yep those are horrid numbers huh

;)

[chaz]

Well, evidently according to the mastermind Breaker he hasnt had a chance to shine yet (as if any of our backs have had much chance to shine either, go figure). Like our group of guys Ward has spent some quality time on Injured reserve as well. But, again mastermind Breaker thinks that drafting a premier back is a waste of space BECAUSE HE WOULD BE SPLITTING CARRIES with the other backs even though thats exactly what Ward does. So in his mind, rather than get a player who can be the feature back he would like us to waste another roster spot on another guy who is no better than the guys we have currently. Answer your question?

To date, this is the stats for two of our main backs the last few years and Ward. There is nothing mind blowing about Derrick Ward.


Ward- 1750
5 yrs
51 games

Young- 1032
2 yrs
23 games

Bell- 2773
5 yrs
53 games

:kiddingme you're basing your argument on yardage totals without attempts/averages?? wow...

[Breaker]

:kiddingme you're basing your argument on yardage totals without attempts/averages?? wow...

Since Northman cannot make any sort of logical comparison between our current backs and Derrick Ward, allow me to.

Player Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD
Ward 182 1025 64.1 5.6 2
Young 201 1032 44.9 5.1 2
Bell 569 2773 51.4 4.9 16

The numbers I included are one season for Derrick Ward, Two for Selvin Young, and 5 for Tatum Bell. Derrick Ward is the most productive back of the three and it is not even close. Yet North is the jackass who wants to waste a second round draft pick on a RB when our defense is horrendous, then take another RB later in the draft. How about some more Derrick Ward numbers, this time his career totals by years in the league.

G Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD
14 35 123 8.8 3.5 0
8 125 602 75.3 4.8 3
16 182 1025 64.1 5.6 2

He has vastly improved every single year. The more playing time he gets the better his numbers are. This does not even take into account his pass receiving skills which are far above average. Instead it is North's opinion that we should not bother drafting for a position of need in the second round, that being S,LB, or DL, and instead use that pick to fill a less serious hole in the lineup, that being RB. Thank god he is not going to be hired as the new GM.

[Northman]

Someone like you going after someone else for intelligence is laughable.


For starters, lets not forget who attacked who first in this thread asswipe. Had you come into this thread somewhat civil you would of garnered more respect than your getting from me. Secondly, ive never stated that my mock is the be all end all to how we should draft. If you had even remotely paid attention to my first mock you would of seen that in the first one i was banking off signing a guy like Suggs or Vilma from FA to go along with that mock. The same could be said for this one, i just didnt state it in the initial post this time. Thirdly, Ward is no different than the backs we have now. Just because a guy has one good year does not make a great back. Denver has had a few of those type of guys in the past and eventually they werent the solution. But yea, go ahead and tell me who you would draft then since you have all the answers. I find it ironic that anyone would give someone else a bunch of grief over something so trivial but evidently you got a stick up your ass so lets here what you got chump.

[TheChamp24]

First, I think Nic Harris in the 3rd would be a solid pick. I think he could play FS for us. He's big and made plenty of plays at OU. The one OU safety I wouldn't want is Lendy Holmes, dude is dumb as a rock as he almost was academically inelgible again for this bowl game.
I think there are plenty of safeties to take in rounds 2-4 that we don't need to take Mays or Moore at pick 12 in the first, which I think would be reaching for them.

[chaz]

Since Northman cannot make any sort of logical comparison between our current backs and Derrick Ward, allow me to.

Player Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD
Ward 182 1025 64.1 5.6 2
Young 201 1032 44.9 5.1 2
Bell 569 2773 51.4 4.9 16

The numbers I included are one season for Derrick Ward, Two for Selvin Young, and 5 for Tatum Bell. Derrick Ward is the most productive back of the three and it is not even close. Yet North is the jackass who wants to waste a second round draft pick on a RB when our defense is horrendous, then take another RB later in the draft. How about some more Derrick Ward numbers, this time his career totals by years in the league.

G Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD
14 35 123 8.8 3.5 0
8 125 602 75.3 4.8 3
16 182 1025 64.1 5.6 2

He has vastly improved every single year. The more playing time he gets the better his numbers are. This does not even take into account his pass receiving skills which are far above average. Instead it is North's opinion that we should not bother drafting for a position of need in the second round, that being S,LB, or DL, and instead use that pick to fill a less serious hole in the lineup, that being RB. Thank god he is not going to be hired as the new GM.

Thanks1 :thumbsup: