Terry Pierce sums up perfectly why Shanahan had to go.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=33340.390

"Bosz56" is former KSU and Denver Broncos linebacker, Terry Pierce.

Quote from: kst8fan99 on Yesterday at 09:54:33 pm

Having played in Denver for Shanahan, what's your reaction to his firing today?

There is no denying that Shanahan brought to Denver what no other coach was able to bring in winning two super bowls. But to me, it is his arrogance that ruined his stay. Pat Bowlen (the owner) would have given Mike the keys to the damn city after those two super bowls. You could tell that Shanahan had waaaaaay too much power. He only kept the players around that he liked and it didn't matter whether or not they were performing.

I will say that as an offensive coach, the guy is as good as it gets. But as a GM/VP, his arrogance doesnt allow him to do the job. The defense that we had in 2003-2005 was really good(#3-#6 ranking in the NFL). He got rid of the entire defense. Deltha Oneal, Trevor Pryce, Mario Fatefehi, Al Wilson, Myself, Jashon Sykes, Sam Brandon, Kennoy kennedy, Darius Watts, George Foster (this includes several 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks) even Jason Elam wasn't paid minimally for all the success he brought to Denver on his leg.

When I got released, it was on the heels of an awesome training camp along with several others. That year he released 8 players that were in the two deep on defense ( something no team does). We were all high draft picks and it was very surprising that most if not all of us did not get picked up by other teams. This happens a when you leave Denver for some reason. Those are the players that continue in the system when your previous all-stars get old.

To put it bluntly, he ruined a lot of careers in Denver. And, he didn't care. It was ok until the outrageous things he was doing turned into losses.

[Ironlung]

Shut up.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Come on, don't be hatin'

I'm happy for you guys.

[TheDave]

sounds like terry is still a little red assed over his NFL "Career"

[~Crash~]

Sour graps .... there were plenty of player that left that are still in the NFL Pierce was a mis draft pick like KC never did the same thing .

really weak smack you must want Shanahan

[BroncoMan4ever]

he is an ass, but i would love to have some of those types of dudes back on the defense in denver again

[Ray Finkle]

if he was so "scary good" why did no other team bring him in?

[~Crash~]

because a snail could beat him out in the 40

[Ratboy]

if he was so "scary good" why did no other team bring him in?

He's got a point.

We let these guys go, and they run off a flourish some where else.

[tnedator]

Terry Pierce??? This guy is really chiming in? What he should have said was, "all you need to know about how bad a GM Mike Shanahan was is that he drafted me..."

[tnedator]

That was a joke quote/post, right?

[Crushaholic]

About a month and a half ago, I met Terry Pierce at an autograph signing before a Kansas State football game. I introduced myself as a Broncos fan and he told me then that he and Shanahan just didn't get along. This message board post from Terry doesn't surprise me in the least. We have to remember that Pierce was playing behind Al Wilson. That meant he had no chance to start, unless Al was hurt. Al DID eventually get hurt, but that was after Pierce was already out of Denver...

[baja]

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=33340.390

"Bosz56" is former KSU and Denver Broncos linebacker, Terry Pierce.

Quote from: kst8fan99 on Yesterday at 09:54:33 pm

Having played in Denver for Shanahan, what's your reaction to his firing today?

There is no denying that Shanahan brought to Denver what no other coach was able to bring in winning two super bowls. But to me, it is his arrogance that ruined his stay. Pat Bowlen (the owner) would have given Mike the keys to the damn city after those two super bowls. You could tell that Shanahan had waaaaaay too much power. He only kept the players around that he liked and it didn't matter whether or not they were performing.

I will say that as an offensive coach, the guy is as good as it gets. But as a GM/VP, his arrogance doesnt allow him to do the job. The defense that we had in 2003-2005 was really good(#3-#6 ranking in the NFL). He got rid of the entire defense. Deltha Oneal, Trevor Pryce, Mario Fatefehi, Al Wilson, Myself, Jashon Sykes, Sam Brandon, Kennoy kennedy, Darius Watts, George Foster (this includes several 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks) even Jason Elam wasn't paid minimally for all the success he brought to Denver on his leg.

<b>When I got released, it was on the heels of an awesome training camp along with several others. That year he released 8 players that were in the two deep on defense ( something no team does). We were all high draft picks and it was very surprising that most if not all of us did not get picked up by other teams. This happens a when you leave Denver for some reason.</b> Those are the players that continue in the system when your previous all-stars get old.

To put it bluntly, he ruined a lot of careers in Denver. And, he didn't care. It was ok until the outrageous things he was doing turned into losses.

LOL you didn't get picked up because you weren't worth a shiit.

[Rock Chalk]

Ive summed up perfectly why Bob's ass needs to go yet, our fearless leader sticks with him.

I wish our fearless leader had as much balls as Bowlen did with Shanny and just banned Bob permanently.

[baja]

About a month and a half ago, I met Terry Pierce at an autograph signing before a Kansas State football game. I introduced myself as a Broncos fan and he told me then that he and Shanahan just didn't get along. This message board post from Terry doesn't surprise me in the least. We have to remember that Pierce was playing behind Al Wilson. That meant he had no chance to start, unless Al was hurt. Al DID eventually get hurt, but that was after Pierce was already out of Denver...

Another wasted 2nd round pick

[Rock Chalk]

About a month and a half ago, I met Terry Pierce at an autograph signing before a Kansas State football game. I introduced myself as a Broncos fan and he told me then that he and Shanahan just didn't get along. This message board post from Terry doesn't surprise me in the least. We have to remember that Pierce was playing behind Al Wilson. That meant he had no chance to start, unless Al was hurt. Al DID eventually get hurt, but that was after Pierce was already out of Denver...

Why the hell were you at a KSU game instead of a KU game? I should smack you.

[Bronco LB 59]

About a month and a half ago, I met Terry Pierce at an autograph signing before a Kansas State football game. I introduced myself as a Broncos fan and he told me then that he and Shanahan just didn't get along. This message board post from Terry doesn't surprise me in the least. We have to remember that Pierce was playing behind Al Wilson. That meant he had no chance to start, unless Al was hurt. Al DID eventually get hurt, but that was after Pierce was already out of Denver...

Who would want Terry Pierce's autograph?

His ink is worth as much as yours.

[Rock Chalk]

Piece was a good MLB in college. His problem was he was slow and not very football smart outside of the simplistic collegiate schemes. Slow is one thing but if you are an MLB in the NFL you have to be intelligent and highly instinctual. He was not.

[Rock Chalk]

Who would want Terry Pierce's autograph?

His ink is worth as much as yours.

K State fans. He was pretty good at K State. Led a good defense that upset OU and knocked them out of a title game in the Big 12 championship game (IIRC, Sproles was also in that game? Im pretty sure he was on that team).

[Ironlung]

Why the hell were you at a KSU game instead of a KU game? I should smack you.

Real men DO NOT wear purple.

[Ironlung]

K State fans. He was pretty good at K State. Led a good defense that upset OU and knocked them out of a title game in the Big 12 championship game (IIRC, Sproles was also in that game? Im pretty sure he was on that team).

He ran for over 250 on em.

[Crushaholic]

K State fans. He was pretty good at K State. Led a good defense that upset OU and knocked them out of a title game in the Big 12 championship game (IIRC, Sproles was also in that game? Im pretty sure he was on that team).

I think you're right. Sproles was on the team during the Big XII title game. He finished 5th in Heisman voting that year (2003). An interesting tidbit of that autograph signing is that Kevin Lockett was also there. He briefly played WR for the Chorfs. He had the nerve to give me an autographed picture of him in a Chiefs uniform. I thought "Good. Now I have toilet paper"...;D

[Florida_Bronco]

I can understand why Pierce would be pissed. We drafted him thinking that we would need to replace Al Wilson, but then Wilson ended up re-signing and we tried to plug Pierce in at SAM, which he was not suited to play.

[baja]

he was too stupid to play mlb

[Taco John]

Thanks for the laugh Bob. Terry Pierce!

I can't wait to hear what Quentin Griffin thinks of this!

[Taco John]

You're right about one thing: Terry Pierce does sum up - in a single player - why Shanahan is gone.

[yerner]

I wonder why anytime a player gives his honest opinion this board hates it? He does have a point about Pryce. I think I'll take it at face value and not dismiss it because its not what I would want to hear about Shanny.

[Kid A]

Why the hell were you at a KSU game instead of a KU game? I should smack you.

Crushaholic seems to be unusually reasonable, intelligent, and generally cool for a KSU fan, so we should just be glad he's the representative Kitty fan here. :~ohyah!:

Seriously though, are you excited about Snyder coming back Crush? Prince, by all outside appearances, seemed like a nutcase. Is the thinking that Snyder is back in it for another long term commitment, or is this a stabilizing transition period?

[Wes Mantooth]

gauge his opinion by what he did in the league. Eric Brown is probably going to come in here and rip him too.

[bronco militia]

http://www.sallyminker.com/art/2-d/images/grapes-print.jpg

[Atwater His Ass]

Some of the stuff Pierce says, like the arrogance of Shanahan I think is true. However, sour grapes, etc, are prevelant in his opinion.

The only party I don't really agree with is his reasoning that somehow Shanahan ruined a lot of careers? Um, no. The reason you guys didn't stick to another team after you were cut was because you suck.

Oh. And George Foster didn't play defense.

[Popps]

Thanks for the laugh Bob. Terry Pierce!

I can't wait to hear what Quentin Griffin thinks of this!

:rofl:

[Popps]

Hey Boob,

Partying it up on New Year's Eve, huh? You're in your 20s and single... right?

Home, posting on a message board, huh.

Pretty awesome.

[DomCasual]

We were all high draft picks and it was very surprising that most if not all of us did not get picked up by other teams. This happens a when you leave Denver for some reason. Those are the players that continue in the system when your previous all-stars get old.

I'm sorry, but is he a dumbass? This is one of the dumbest things I've read in several hours.

We were all studs, even though no one else in the league thought so?

Okay.

[Crushaholic]

Crushaholic seems to be unusually reasonable, intelligent, and generally cool for a KSU fan, so we should just be glad he's the representative Kitty fan here. :~ohyah!:

Seriously though, are you excited about Snyder coming back Crush? Prince, by all outside appearances, seemed like a nutcase. Is the thinking that Snyder is back in it for another long term commitment, or is this a stabilizing transition period?

I don't want to get off the topic, but I'm hopeful Snyder can bring back the magic. I don't know if he can do it or not. The last couple of years in his first reign showed that he may have lost touch with the young people with a lot off off-the-field problems among the players. I like that he brought in a guy (I can't remember his name off the top of my head) who guided the Utah offensive attack and is known for developing quarterbacks. He has to be better than Prince. He had no ability to adjust game plans at halftime. The Nebraska game at the end of the season was just the capper to a very sub-par era in modern K-State football (1993-present).

To answer your second question, Snyder was apparently the first, last and only choice to replace Prince. That means to me that he's ready to go for the long haul.

Anyway, back to the subject at hand...either Terry Pierce or bashing Bob. Both are acceptable...

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Hey Boob,

Partying it up on New Year's Eve, huh? You're in your 20s and single... right?

Home, posting on a message board, huh.

Pretty awesome.

It's true that I am a loser with no friends.

Would you like to know more?

[TallyBronco]

I can't believe someone actually wants Terry Pierce's autograph. That's more than few steps into loser land.

[Vladimir]

Thanks for the laugh Bob. Terry Pierce!

I can't wait to hear what Quentin Griffin thinks of this!

I just laughed out loud at work.

:thumbs:

[extralife]

What a terrible thread. He has a point about Pryce, but that was a financial decision. Probably a wrong one, but justifiable. Everythign else, whatever, if he was so hot someone else would have wanted him. No one else did and now he's bitter we didn't hand him a roster spot because of his draft status. What a clown.

[Drek]

Terry Pierce was a great collegiate MLB on a very good team, I can see why a lot of KSU fans want his autograph.

And while his comments do seem a little bitter he's right about a lot of what he says.

He is the epitome of Shanahan's mitakes. Pierce was overdrafted at a possition of no immediate need and if we resigned Al Wilson no need whatsoever. When we did extend Wilson the positional changes started for Pierce along with the demands to meet certain positional weight goals.

I'd bet a big part of why Pierce never stuck in the NFL game is that is struggles here led to him never committing to the pro game. The fire that you need burning strong to break into this league was doused with a bucket full of Shanahan's obscure and ineffective personnel moves.

I think he'd all be pretty happy right now if Pierce, or any LB who can tackle really, was allowed to settle in and learn the MLB job behind Al Wilson. Probably would've saved this defense 20-30 yards a game over the last few seasons.

[Ray Finkle]

Terry Pierce was a great collegiate MLB on a very good team, I can see why a lot of KSU fans want his autograph.

And while his comments do seem a little bitter he's right about a lot of what he says.

He is the epitome of Shanahan's mitakes. Pierce was overdrafted at a possition of no immediate need and if we resigned Al Wilson no need whatsoever. When we did extend Wilson the positional changes started for Pierce along with the demands to meet certain positional weight goals.

I'd bet a big part of why Pierce never stuck in the NFL game is that is struggles here led to him never committing to the pro game. The fire that you need burning strong to break into this league was doused with a bucket full of Shanahan's obscure and ineffective personnel moves.

I think he'd all be pretty happy right now if Pierce, or any LB who can tackle really, was allowed to settle in and learn the MLB job behind Al Wilson. Probably would've saved this defense 20-30 yards a game over the last few seasons.

Pierce was drafted after the Broncos thought they could not resign Al. Al was resigned during the season....

[baja]

Good thing too because Pierce couldn't play a lick, just another huge reach.

[theAPAOps5]

Pierce was a bitch in College and a bitch in the Pro's. This reeks of sour grapes. But with a little truth involved too. Shanny did let his arrogance get the best of him at times. But it usually was towards under achievers and players with great ability who didn't tap into every ounce. Pierce, Pryce, etc. etc. were the ones to feel the wrath the most. But they also deserved it.

Bottom line is there are more players current, and past that would run through a wall for Shanny. If you gave him his all he gave you his all almost to a fault. I fully believe that Shanahan would have stuck with Plummer the whole final season had Plummer decided to show up for OTA's and put the effort in. He didn't and Shanny returned the favor.

Thats my view on this.

[Bronx33]

I played for mike once so i have an educated opinion..

[Dr. Broncenstein]

"....because he drafted guys like me"

-- fixed it for you, Terry

[Atlas]

The defense that we had in 2003-2005 was really good(#3-#6 ranking in the NFL). He got rid of the entire defense. Deltha Oneal, Trevor Pryce, Mario Fatefehi, Al Wilson, Myself, Jashon Sykes, Sam Brandon, Kennoy kennedy, Darius Watts, George Foster (this includes several 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks) even Jason Elam wasn't paid minimally for all the success he brought to Denver on his leg.

When I got released, it was on the heels of an awesome training camp along with several others. That year he released 8 players that were in the two deep on defense ( something no team does). We were all high draft picks and it was very surprising that most if not all of us did not get picked up by other teams. This happens a when you leave Denver for some reason. Those are the players that continue in the system when your previous all-stars get old.
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That is ****ing ridiculous. Pryce was great and should have been kept. Wilson hurt his neck and hasn't played for anyone since. Out of all the other ones who was great?? Elam was one of the highest paid (FG kickers) in the league. He didn't even kick off!

Pierce was one of the big busts everyone talks about when mentioning Shanny's drafting. He should just shut his pie-hole. Maybe if him, Sykes and Watts wouldn't have sucked so bad Shanny might still have a job.

Shanny made such a big mistake letting go of Pierce. I can see he has had such a steller NFL career since he left Denver.

[Dudeskey]

Thanks for the laugh Bob. Terry Pierce!

I can't wait to hear what Quentin Griffin thinks of this!

I'm waiting for Adrian Madise's take...

[lex]

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=33340.390

"Bosz56" is former KSU and Denver Broncos linebacker, Terry Pierce.

Quote from: kst8fan99 on Yesterday at 09:54:33 pm

Having played in Denver for Shanahan, what's your reaction to his firing today?

There is no denying that Shanahan brought to Denver what no other coach was able to bring in winning two super bowls. But to me, it is his arrogance that ruined his stay. Pat Bowlen (the owner) would have given Mike the keys to the damn city after those two super bowls. You could tell that Shanahan had waaaaaay too much power. He only kept the players around that he liked and it didn't matter whether or not they were performing.

I will say that as an offensive coach, the guy is as good as it gets. But as a GM/VP, his arrogance doesnt allow him to do the job. The defense that we had in 2003-2005 was really good(#3-#6 ranking in the NFL). He got rid of the entire defense. Deltha Oneal, Trevor Pryce, Mario Fatefehi, Al Wilson, Myself, Jashon Sykes, Sam Brandon, Kennoy kennedy, Darius Watts, George Foster (this includes several 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks) even Jason Elam wasn't paid minimally for all the success he brought to Denver on his leg.

When I got released, it was on the heels of an awesome training camp along with several others. That year he released 8 players that were in the two deep on defense ( something no team does). We were all high draft picks and it was very surprising that most if not all of us did not get picked up by other teams. This happens a when you leave Denver for some reason. Those are the players that continue in the system when your previous all-stars get old.

To put it bluntly, he ruined a lot of careers in Denver. And, he didn't care. It was ok until the outrageous things he was doing turned into losses.

Once you get past the sour grapes part of his observation, you can see he makes some valid points. For example, why did it take Larsen and Woodyard so long to see the field when there was such poor linebacker play in front of them?

[Atlas]

Once you get past the sour grapes part of his observation, you can see he makes some valid points. For example, why did it take Larsen and Woodyard so long to see the field when there was such poor linebacker play in front of them?

It wasn't the LBers that played so poorly as it was the DEs.

[lex]

It wasn't the LBers that played so poorly as it was the DEs.

The LBs often over pursue plays.

[oubronco]

It wasn't the LBers that played so poorly as it was the DEs.

It was the whole fuggin Defense starting with the D-line and ending with Safety's

[Bronx33]

It was the whole fuggin Defense starting with the D-line and ending with Safety's

coaches?

[oubronco]

I agree the schemes were horrible and the players not knowing exactly what they were doing and just hideous play contributed to all this

[rastaman]

I wonder why anytime a player gives his honest opinion this board hates it? He does have a point about Pryce. I think I'll take it at face value and not dismiss it because its not what I would want to hear about Shanny.

Pryce is still starting and playing at a high level with Ravens. Players like Pryce should still be in a Bronco uniform.

[Atlas]

The LBs often over pursue plays.

They did, but the DEs were playing very poorly all year. Denver needs to draft 2 DEs early in the next draft and send Engle****ingberger and Ecuban out to pasture.

[oubronco]

Ecuban was our best D-lineman

[Bronx33]

I agree the schemes were horrible and the players not knowing exactly what they were doing and just hideous play contributed to all this


A competent DC can scheme to cover up some deficiencies slowik had no clue and you could tell everygame after we would get burned on a few plays slowik would snuggle up in his defensive closet and slide his 10 yard cushion plays out from under the door on pieces of paper..

[footstepsfrom#27]

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=33340.390

"Bosz56" is former KSU and Denver Broncos linebacker, Terry Pierce.

Quote from: kst8fan99 on Yesterday at 09:54:33 pm

Having played in Denver for Shanahan, what's your reaction to his firing today?

There is no denying that Shanahan brought to Denver what no other coach was able to bring in winning two super bowls. But to me, it is his arrogance that ruined his stay. Pat Bowlen (the owner) would have given Mike the keys to the damn city after those two super bowls. You could tell that Shanahan had waaaaaay too much power. He only kept the players around that he liked and it didn't matter whether or not they were performing.

I will say that as an offensive coach, the guy is as good as it gets. But as a GM/VP, his arrogance doesnt allow him to do the job. The defense that we had in 2003-2005 was really good(#3-#6 ranking in the NFL). He got rid of the entire defense. Deltha Oneal, Trevor Pryce, Mario Fatefehi, Al Wilson, Myself, Jashon Sykes, Sam Brandon, Kennoy kennedy, Darius Watts, George Foster (this includes several 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks) even Jason Elam wasn't paid minimally for all the success he brought to Denver on his leg.

When I got released, it was on the heels of an awesome training camp along with several others. That year he released 8 players that were in the two deep on defense ( something no team does). We were all high draft picks and it was very surprising that most if not all of us did not get picked up by other teams. This happens a when you leave Denver for some reason. Those are the players that continue in the system when your previous all-stars get old.

To put it bluntly, he ruined a lot of careers in Denver. And, he didn't care. It was ok until the outrageous things he was doing turned into losses.
This might mean something if this guy had ever cracked a lineup ANYWHERE ELSE in the NFL, which he didn't. Sour grapes from a guy who overrated his own talent...and the reference to cutting Foster? What's that about...that lazy oaf was a starter till he proved he couldn't handle the job and got traded. Darius Watts? "The Claw" proved likewise.

Loser.