Face it, Shanahan lost his touch. We were never going to win big with him again

[bronco0608]

*24-24 over the last three years

*Three defensive coordinators in three years

*The hiring of his FRIEND Bob Slowik when his track record was spotty at best

* The Broncos in close out games to win the division/goto the playoffs over the past three years: 0-4 (which included defeats to has been Buffalo and San Fran AT HOME)

* Getting BLOWN OUT by the Chargers the past three years

* Complete failure at free agency, only the Goodman's saved his ass via the draft


The more you think about it, it was time for the man to go. He was running this franchise into the ground, but the Goodman's saved it.

[Taco John]

The man had Plummer one game away from the Superbowl before blowing it up. We were on our way. We had the offense, and another offseason of Goodman drafting, and he'd have had the core of a defense. We were well on our way.

[Dagmar]

I'm glad you mentioned this in a new thread, I was worried it wouldn't be covered.

[Meck77]

Ok Taco one simple question. Do you really think your opinion on this situation is more informed than Pat Bowlens?

[bronco0608]

I'm glad you mentioned this in a new thread, I was worried it wouldn't be covered.


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I hope you will survive.

[theAPAOps5]

Lets throw something out there. I am listening to 104.3 the FAN, take it for what its worth, but Vic Lombardi from news 4 mentioned something interesting.

They are talking about how maybe Shanny lost his dicipline. Apparently, several players were late for the team bus to the charter for the San Diego trip. Vic added that he new several, not one, but SEVERAL who had booked trips leaving on Monday. Like they had quite and new they were done.

Maybe Bowlen noticed that Shanny was slipping with this team regarding every day dicipline. Just thought I would throw that out there.

He didn't lose his touch as a coach by far but maybe as a leader and personnel guy?

[bronco0608]

The man had Plummer one game away from the Superbowl before blowing it up. We were on our way. We had the offense, and another offseason of Goodman drafting, and he'd have had the core of a defense. We were well on our way.

Plummer is not HALF as bad as you make him out to be. If anything, he was competent. But behind that offensive line he had, he was great for us. At least you can admit that.

But getting back to Shanahan, what happened to the defense? He only blew up the offense with Cutler, but the defense was beyond horrible. His hiring's for DCs were horrible.

He hasn't signed a free agent of note or one that panned out since, gosh, I can't remember the last Shanahan free agent signing that worked.

[Hotrod]

Lets throw something out there. I am listening to 104.3 the FAN, take it for what its worth, but Vic Lombardi from news 4 mentioned something interesting.

They are talking about how maybe Shanny lost his dicipline. Apparently, several players were late for the team bus to the charter for the San Diego trip. Vic added that he new several, not one, but SEVERAL who had booked trips leaving on Monday. Like they had quite and new they were done.

Maybe Bowlen noticed that Shanny was slipping with this team regarding every day dicipline. Just thought I would throw that out there.

He didn't lose his touch as a coach by far but maybe as a leader and personnel guy?

Everyone knows you get better rates if you book early.

Actually I'd love to know who these players were and show them the ****ing door. Unless they are Cutler or Champ etc.

[baja]

Lets throw something out there. I am listening to 104.3 the FAN, take it for what its worth, but Vic Lombardi from news 4 mentioned something interesting.

They are talking about how maybe Shanny lost his dicipline. Apparently, several players were late for the team bus to the charter for the San Diego trip. Vic added that he new several, not one, but SEVERAL who had booked trips leaving on Monday. Like they had quite and new they were done.

Maybe Bowlen noticed that Shanny was slipping with this team regarding every day dicipline. Just thought I would throw that out there.

He didn't lose his touch as a coach by far but maybe as a leader and personnel guy?

This has been my take for some time now Mike lost this team a few years ago, it started to happen during Al Wilson's last two years. This is what Pat was trying to say when he said, "It's time to move on and the reference to "his gut feeling"

Bottom line it had become "time to move on'' last season.

This does not diminish Mike Shanahan in any way

[Taco John]

Ok Taco one simple question. Do you really think your opinion on this situation is more informed than Pat Bowlens?


I think I'd have made a better decision than Pat, yes. I'd have given my HOF coach who had delivered two superbowl rings, and taken me one game away from another one - and then turned around and built the strongest young offense in the NFL in two years - at least one more year to get the defensive players he needs to complete the rebuild and then evaluate from there.

More importantly, I'd have kept Jay with the same coach for at least 3 full years of continuity as he works out the kinks, and matures into the professional we need him to be. I wouldn't want to do anything that jeapordizes his development.

I wouldn't be angry about this if I didn't think Bowlen was setting this franchise back. The nice thing, though, is that Shanahan has left this team in a great situation. Few coaches get to come into such a great situation. We have an offense fully developed, and can focus our resources now almost exclusively on building a defense. Shanahan's legacy is going to be with us for a while still.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Everyone knows you get better rates if you book early.

Actually I'd love to know who these players were and show them the ****ing door. Unless they are Cutler or Champ etc.

One was Cutler, he didn't talk to the media that long on Monday since he said he had a flight to catch.

[bronco0608]

One was Cutler, he didn't talk to the media that long on Monday since he said he had a flight to catch.


Well ain't that ****ing beautiful. That's REAL leadership right there!!! :shootme:

[Hotrod]

One was Cutler, he didn't talk to the media that long on Monday since he said he had a flight to catch.

I'd want more proof. He very well could have booked a flight late Sunday night or early Monday. I want to know for a fact who had prebooked said flights.

[oubronco]

sure didn't look like Cutler had quit he was playing pretty damn good outside the int in the zone

[Finger Roll]

Lets throw something out there. I am listening to 104.3 the FAN, take it for what its worth, but Vic Lombardi from news 4 mentioned something interesting.

They are talking about how maybe Shanny lost his dicipline. Apparently, several players were late for the team bus to the charter for the San Diego trip. Vic added that he new several, not one, but SEVERAL who had booked trips leaving on Monday. Like they had quite and new they were done.

Maybe Bowlen noticed that Shanny was slipping with this team regarding every day dicipline. Just thought I would throw that out there.

He didn't lose his touch as a coach by far but maybe as a leader and personnel guy?


If that's true than he really deserves the boot.

[Steve Sewell]

Good god some of you guys are amazingly dense. The travel plans thing is idiocy at its best.

Bronco player: "Hey there 'assistant' <assistant>, can you book me some plane tickets for home
on Monday in case we lose? If we win I know it will be financially devastating to me, hopefully my playoff check will cover the cancellation fee! OMG THE DRAMA! This sure is a difficult decision to make!"</player's></assistant>

[theAPAOps5]

Like I said just sharing what he said. Vic said they already had plans made. Don't say I buy it just saying its another theory.

[Hotrod]

Good god some of you guys are amazingly dense. The travel plans thing is idiocy at its best.

Bronco player: "Hey there 'assistant' <assistant>, can you book me some plane tickets for home
on Monday in case we lose? If we win I know it will be financially devastating to me, hopefully my playoff check will cover the cancellation fee! OMG THE DRAMA! This sure is a difficult decision to make!"</player's></assistant>

LOL yes this thread is the most insane thread around here in a long time. Thanks for taking the time to point it out

[theAPAOps5]

I am pretty sure the Gutless thread is the drama filled thread. I mean seriously how often do you read 15 inch penis, AIDS, and ass rape?

[yerner]

I am pretty sure the Gutless thread is the drama filled thread. I mean seriously how often do you read 15 inch penis, AIDS, and ass rape?

Surprisingly, pretty regularly around here.

[theAPAOps5]

Surprisingly, pretty regularly around here.

Actually, you have a great point.

[Hotrod]

I think the gutless thread is HOF material

[bombquixote]

I'd want more proof. He very well could have booked a flight late Sunday night or early Monday. I want to know for a fact who had prebooked said flights.

It is possible and in fact common practice to make reservations without buying a ticket. Just so you all know. :hitself:

[baja]

me too

[Hotrod]

It is possible and in fact common practice to make reservations without buying a ticket. Just so you all know. :hitself:

Fine Fine I give I give. :)

I'm off to see if I can find a Shanny got fired thread around here somewhere ;)

[baja]

I think the gutless thread is HOF material



me too

[Steve Sewell]

It is possible and in fact common practice to make reservations without buying a ticket. Just so you all know. :hitself:


In fact, I'd be willing to be all that I have that John Elway himself has booked flights for the Monday after playoff games in the past.

[Meck77]

I think I'd have made a better decision than Pat, yes.

Got it. Have you considered giving up messageboard coaching and submitting your resume in to fill the vacancies around the league? There are plenty to choose from! ;D

Taco all kidding aside. Pat Bowlen is the Denver Broncos. I think a lot of Broncos fans had forgotten that over the last few years including Mike Shanahan.

How about this for an example. Remember when as kids we questioned our fathers and they usually turned out to be right in the end? Pat is our daddy. :pimp:

[theAPAOps5]

Very well could have made the reservations on the flight home, you guys are right. don't kill the messenger just throwing crap against the wall!

[~Crash~]

Everyone knows you get better rates if you book early.

Actually I'd love to know who these players were and show them the ****ing door. Unless they are Cutler or Champ etc.

what is the execpt BS if some ****er quit show him the door !

[Popps]

I think I'd have made a better decision than Pat, yes.


:rofl:


Awesome.

[theAPAOps5]

I actually think I would make a better decision than Pat too. I would still be wearing that bad ass fur coat.

[Mediator12]

Very well could have made the reservations on the flight home, you guys are right. don't kill the messenger just throwing crap against the wall!

It is common practice with players to book a ticket, because it does not matter if you are Jay Cutler and do not have a ticket for a flight on MON. It is much easier to adjust a ticket to a later date than produce a ticket for a sold out flight.

[Rock Chalk]

I think I'd have made a better decision than Pat, yes. I'd have given my HOF coach who had delivered two superbowl rings, and taken me one game away from another one - and then turned around and built the strongest young offense in the NFL in two years - at least one more year to get the defensive players he needs to complete the rebuild and then evaluate from there.

More importantly, I'd have kept Jay with the same coach for at least 3 full years of continuity as he works out the kinks, and matures into the professional we need him to be. I wouldn't want to do anything that jeapordizes his development.

I wouldn't be angry about this if I didn't think Bowlen was setting this franchise back. The nice thing, though, is that Shanahan has left this team in a great situation. Few coaches get to come into such a great situation. We have an offense fully developed, and can focus our resources now almost exclusively on building a defense. Shanahan's legacy is going to be with us for a while still.

Proof positive number 2 that Bowlen made the right decision and that we are going to be much better now. Taco John thinks the franchise is being set back :)

[Steve Prefontaine]

Got it. Have you considered giving up messageboard coaching and submitting your resume in to fill the vacancies around the league? There are plenty to choose from! ;D

Taco all kidding aside. Pat Bowlen is the Denver Broncos. I think a lot of Broncos fans had forgotten that over the last few years including Mike Shanahan.

How about this for an example. Remember when as kids we questioned our fathers and they usually turned out to be right in the end? Pat is our daddy. :pimp:

Except parents **** up all the time.

Just because he is the owner, it doesn't mean it was the best decision. I'm not saying it was wrong, but blindly believing Bowlen made the correct move just because he is the owner is pretty silly.

[Rock Chalk]

It is common practice with players to book a ticket, because it does not matter if you are Jay Cutler and do not have a ticket for a flight on MON. It is much easier to adjust a ticket to a later date than produce a ticket for a sold out flight.

Ive done this myself.

Booked a flight I wasnt really sure the date on but had a general idea only to change it later.

Cheaper on you that way.

[Rock Chalk]

Except parents **** up all the time.

Just because he is the owner, it doesn't mean it was the best decision. I'm not saying it was wrong, but blindly believing Bowlen made the correct move just because he is the owner is pretty silly.

True, but believing that a billionaire who has made plenty of correct moves concerning his business in the past made the right decision is a good bet.

[Steve Prefontaine]

Well ain't that ****ing beautiful. That's REAL leadership right there!!! :shootme:

Overreact much? You are reading into a situation without knowing any details or even if it's true.

[baja]

Ive done this myself.

Booked a flight I wasnt really sure the date on but had a general idea only to change it later.

Cheaper on you that way.

Well there is the 100$ change fee and depending on seating you may not have the same class available at best it'll cost you 100 unless you have elite status.

[jsco70]

Except parents **** up all the time.

Just because he is the owner, it doesn't mean it was the best decision. I'm not saying it was wrong, but blindly believing Bowlen made the correct move just because he is the owner is pretty silly.


How about Bowlen made the correct move because it's his money he's been shelling out for the past 20 plus years? Without his cash, a willingness to spend it and bold decision making the Broncos wouldn't be where they are today.

I agree with an earlier post...Bowlen owns the Broncos not Shanahan. People most certainly lost track of this simple fact.

[ghwk]

I think the gutless thread is HOF material

I gotto go with Dortoh on that one. Well conceived title and more action than the Bunny Ranch on free sample day. Taco John kicked a 3 pointer with that thread which is more than I can say about Prater.

[ghwk]

what is the execpt BS if some ****er quit show him the door !

Wow. Over 3000 posts with sentence construction like that Hilarious!

[Steve Prefontaine]

How about Bowlen made the correct move because it's his money he's been shelling out for the past 20 plus years? Without his cash, a willingness to spend it and bold decision making the Broncos wouldn't be where they are today.

I agree with an earlier post...Bowlen owns the Broncos not Shanahan. People most certainly lost track of this simple fact.
I'm not sure if I follow this line completely, but it's not that I disagree.

Bowlen is running a business and his goal is for him to make money, but that doesn't necessarily translate to wins, which is all I care about as a fan. I could really care less about Bowlen's net worth.

For example, the new stadium is bringing in a ton of money, which was Bowlen's goal, but is it really more conducive to winning than the old Mile High?