Bowlen: All the coaches gone, none of the personnel dpt. will leave.

[Kaylore]

Me thinks the Goodmans had a say? I'll say this, the last draft was pretty much all the Goodmans. If we keep having drafts like that it won't matter who we'll bring in.

[telluride]

We should keep Turner.

[no-pseudo-fan]

Turner and Bates

[tsiguy96]

so the whole FO stays but everyone who coaches will be gone huh?

[summerdenver]

He specially said Jim Goodman will have his job. Watching the press conference, my immediate reaction is that we are lucky to have Pat as our owner. He takes tough decisions, is willing to spend to do the right thing, most importantly he knows the value of delegation and finding the right people to help him.

The one trick Pat may have missed is in not caoching up Mike on importance of delegation and trusting his assistants.

[no-pseudo-fan]

The way I understood what he said that he is not saying that any one coach is going to stay or go. He only said that Goodman is safe.

[no-pseudo-fan]

I only wish Pat would have said these words:

"Mike is leaving Denver better than he found it."

[theAPAOps5]

Mike is being really sincere and professional. Makes it hard to see him go.

[Kaylore]

Mike is being really sincere and professional. Makes it hard to see him go.

Yeah this is hard to watch. They both were very emotional. You can tell Mike loved it here. He'll be a Bronco forever.

[tsiguy96]

i feel so bad for mike, it just feels like, after listening to them both, that shanahan got the raw end of the deal from bowling feeling like he HAS to take this team back. it kinda sucks, but i think he got put in that position by mike.

[Traveler]

Mike said the offensive staff will stay. Pat said they won't.

[cutthemdown]

This sucks and isn't good for the Broncos.

[montrose]

You can tell Mike loved it here. He'll be a Bronco forever.

Well said.

[BoiseBluTurf]

Me thinks the Goodmans had a say? I'll say this, the last draft was pretty much all the Goodmans. If we keep having drafts like that it won't matter who we'll bring in.

I'm listing at work so I could have missed something but I could have swore Mike said the offensive staff is staying.

[TonyR]

This sucks and isn't good for the Broncos.

It does suck but it IS good for the Broncos. Just not good for people who still haven't woken up to the mediocrity of the past 10 years.

[tsiguy96]

I'm listing at work so I could have missed something but I could have swore Mike said the offensive staff is staying.

mike is not in charge of the team. bowlen is making sure everyone knows that as it has to be the reason he fired mike, to make people aware that bowlen is the owner and in charge.

[Kaylore]

I'm listing at work so I could have missed something but I could have swore Mike said the offensive staff is staying.

Yes but Bowlen said to expect turnover. Shanahan also made a comment that they could still be let go. I think it will depend on who we bring in.

[sirhcyennek81]

Change can be good, but it will be fine. Ultimately this is best for Shanahan and the Team.


:Broncos:

[TonyR]

...bowlen is making sure everyone knows that as it has to be the reason he fired mike, to make people aware that bowlen is the owner and in charge.

That is NOT why he fired Shanahan. He fired him because it's past time to try someone, and something, new. It's a business decision, nothing more.

[Bronx33]

Mike is being really sincere and professional. Makes it hard to see him go.



I don't think you could find anybody that would say mike didn't handle himself like a professional through his career.

[Garcia Bronco]

He straight said he's not qualified to evaluate coaches.

[Kaylore]

mike is not in charge of the team. bowlen is making sure everyone knows that as it has to be the reason he fired mike, to make people aware that bowlen is the owner and in charge.

You obviously didn't listen to either one. There was so much emotion in both their voices that neither one enjoyed this but both understood why it was done. Bowlen is a good business man and this was a business move to keep things fresh. Bowlen did what he thought was best for the organization.

[Bronx33]

That is NOT why he fired Shanahan. He fired him because it's past time to try someone, and something, new. It's a business decision, nothing more.


Word is on local radio is his decision to keep slowik and his unwillingness to back off that decision kinda forced pat to fire him ( pat gave him a choice i guess)

[Kaylore]

He straight said he's not qualified to evaluate coaches.

He was talking about assistant coaches and it was in the context of defending Shanahan's coaching choices.

[TonyR]

Word is on local radio is his decision to keep slowik and his unwillingness to back off that decision kinda forced pat to fire him.

Could be a factor but I can't believe that's even remotely the major driver of this decision. I think he started thinking about this months ago.

[BoiseBluTurf]

mike is not in charge of the team. bowlen is making sure everyone knows that as it has to be the reason he fired mike, to make people aware that bowlen is the owner and in charge.

Thanks for telling me how it works when someone is fired... I was confused... I thought it was like being put in the corner or something... didn't know it meant you wern't in charge anymore. To the point at hand... I hope Mike is right in his assumption... if we lose the offensive staff and the line has to learn a new system... It will be a huge setback. This line was put together with the zone blocking system in mind... Now that they have it back to Bronco standards it would be a shame to take a step backwards by implementing a new system. Sorry if I came across as an ass... I'm a little on edge since yesterday afternoon... not sure why.


Thant is all,


Michael

[Bronx33]

Could be a factor but I can't believe that's even remotely the major driver of this decision. I think he started thinking about this months ago.

I agree i think this has been thought over for some time now but i think mike kinda had a hand in pats final decision ( i guess he helped pat make the decision) iam also guessing pat has somebody in mind you just don't replace mike with any scmuck and pat likes to win.

[no-pseudo-fan]

That was very sad. I was in High School the last time we looked for a new coach.

[DarkHorse30]

Mike has 2 rings, and did a great job w/ the Broncos, as an OC/HC. But he has no clue about defense OR how to manage a DC as a GM/HC. In that respect, I bet Bowlen likely tried to get some of the GM type control back....especially concerning Mike's plan for Slowik next year...but Shanahan refused to budge, so Bowlen let him go.

The other thing that I think Mike was "not so good" at was scouting and drafting players. He hit a few, but how many times did we see him draft an injured player high, thinking that he was getting more value that way?

I'd rather start over on defense with a defensive minded coach....and find a good OC to guide Cutler and the rest of a pretty good/young offense.....then watch Shanahan make excuses for Slowik this whole offseason and into next year. The bottom line is that Denver needs a change....especially at the fan level.

[Bronx33]

Mike has 2 rings, and did a great job w/ the Broncos, as an OC/HC. But he has no clue about defense OR how to manage a DC as a GM/HC. In that respect, I bet Bowlen likely tried to get some of the GM type control back....especially concerning Mike's plan for Slowik next year...but Shanahan refused to budge, so Bowlen let him go.

The other thing that I think Mike was "not so good" at was scouting and drafting players. He hit a few, but how many times did we see him draft an injured player high, thinking that he was getting more value that way?

I'd rather start over on defense with a defensive minded coach....and find a good OC to guide Cutler and the rest of a pretty good/young offense.....then watch Shanahan make excuses for Slowik this whole offseason and into next year. The bottom line is that Denver needs a change....especially at the fan level.

I thought bates was staying did i miss something?

[TheReverend]

Something ****in fishy happened.

Pat acting like it was just a gut spur of the moment decision and hasn't thought about what comes next even though he's "been thinking about this for a while"

Meanwhile, Mike has a ****in twinkle in his eye everytime he's asked about where he might be coaching next.

This is beyond odd.

[Broncoman13]

i feel so bad for mike, it just feels like, after listening to them both, that shanahan got the raw end of the deal from bowling feeling like he HAS to take this team back. it kinda sucks, but i think he got put in that position by mike.


It feels like Mike man'd up and made it a little bit easier for Pat Bowlen. Like several here, I wish we could have kept Mike Shanahan, but it would have taken some concessions on his part and I don't think he was willing to concede any of his power. I hope he goes on to be a superbowl winner with some team from the NFC! And, however unlikely it may be, I hope he returns to the best organization in sports as an owner when Pat decides it's time.

[Kaylore]

Something ****in fishy happened.

Pat acting like it was just a gut spur of the moment decision and hasn't thought about what comes next even though he's "been thinking about this for a while"

Meanwhile, Mike has a ****in twinkle in his eye everytime he's asked about where he might be coaching next.

This is beyond odd.

Why does it have to be weird? Maybe he'll got to San Fran. He loves the Niners. I think ultimately it was a press conference with two close friends who had seen a lot and now needed to part ways. I don't think there was anything clandestine about it. In fact I felt like it was one of the most sincere press conferences I've seen in a long time.

[Broncoman13]

Something ****in fishy happened.

Pat acting like it was just a gut spur of the moment decision and hasn't thought about what comes next even though he's "been thinking about this for a while"

Meanwhile, Mike has a ****in twinkle in his eye everytime he's asked about where he might be coaching next.

This is beyond odd.

You got a conspiracy theory brewing?

For the last freaking time, of course Bowlen has a plan. He's not going to share it though, that would be like a team sharing their draft plans. COME ON PEOPLE!

[Broncoman13]

Why does it have to be weird? Maybe he'll got to San Fran. He loves the Niners. I think ultimately it was a press conference with two close friends who had seen a lot and now needed to part ways. I don't think there was anything clandestine about it. In fact I felt like it was one of the most sincere press conferences I've seen in a long time.

I agree, though I don't think he'll end up with the Niners. Who knows, I just hope he goes to somebody outside of the AFC West and hopefully outside of the AFC all together. I will pull for Mike Shanahan just as I pull for Gary Kubiak!

[HEAV]

Broncos great owner, solid GM and personnel staff in place. Broncos will return to greatness in the near future!

[BroncoMan4ever]

Mike said the offensive staff will stay. Pat said they won't.

they will stay until the new coach brings in his staff. and they will only stay after that, if the new coach wants to keep them.

[Paladin]

Frisco would be a good place for Shanahan.

I am not into conspiracy theories, so I would not presume to know more than every one else....

The O coaches stay. Shanahan was very open about the type of O the Broncos have and will have. He admitted the D did not perform well. But he did say that a FA or two and a good draft, and the Broncos would improve greatly. I believe that to be true.

[DBBBSBS]

mike is not in charge of the team. bowlen is making sure everyone knows that as it has to be the reason he fired mike, to make people aware that bowlen is the owner and in charge.

TSIGUY, YOU ARE A MORON. Did you even listen to the press conference. They both have so much respect for each other and said they will be friends for life.

[TheReverend]

Why does it have to be weird? Maybe he'll got to San Fran. He loves the Niners. I think ultimately it was a press conference with two close friends who had seen a lot and now needed to part ways. I don't think there was anything clandestine about it. In fact I felt like it was one of the most sincere press conferences I've seen in a long time.

Clandestine?

No, but it's apparent Bowlen was pretty full of **** with his forward looking plans and that Mike seems to be excited about his next opportunity.

And the 9rs didnt fit any of the criteria Mike said he would be looking at.

[oubronco]

On the current coaching staff: “I don’t anticipate that we’ll be keeping any members of the coaching staff. Nothing will change in the personnel department.”

doesn't sound like any will stay to me

[Bronx33]

Cluff* said bates isn't going anywhere.

[chaz]

If Bowlen is correct, and Bates/Dennison/Turner/ZBS go out the door with Shanahan the offense will be back to square one along with the defense. That is beyond stupid.

[Bronx33]

Ok i personally need some clarification on pats decision on bates is he staying or going? or is clough talking out his ass?

[Garcia Bronco]

Bowlen has no plan, IMO.

[TonyR]

No, but it's apparent Bowlen was pretty full of **** with his forward looking plans

How so? Because he didn't provide specifics? That's not how it works. You don't announce how you're going to do it and who you're planning to hire at this point.

[TonyR]

Bowlen has no plan, IMO.

You mean kind of like Shanahan had no plan for the defense?

Please. Bowlen has probably had a plan for months. You can't be serious with this nonsense.

[rugbythug]

Bowlen has no plan, IMO.

No but the Goodmans do.

[Bronx33]

Bowlen has no plan, IMO.


Guess we will see....

[fdf]

Mike has 2 rings, and did a great job w/ the Broncos, as an OC/HC. But he has no clue about defense OR how to manage a DC as a GM/HC. In that respect, I bet Bowlen likely tried to get some of the GM type control back....especially concerning Mike's plan for Slowik next year...but Shanahan refused to budge, so Bowlen let him go.


Darkhorse speaks truth. Shanahan was always a mixed bag. Great HC. Mediocre to bad GM. I would have loved for Shanahan to stay as HC and bring in another GM. But in the real world, folks that have alternatives don't take demotions. Bowlen was ready for a more traditional split between GM and HC responsibilities. Shanahan wasn't. IMHO, Bowlen was correct that Shanahan had failed as GM and that the Broncos were going nowhere until that was fixed.

[Garcia Bronco]

You mean kind of like Shanahan had no plan for the defense?

Please. Bowlen has probably had a plan for months. You can't be serious with this nonsense.

He just said he's not going to have an all in one coach, he says he's hiring a coach first, Goodman will stay, and he's got no candidates in mind for replacements. That's not a plan.

[BroncoLifer]

On the current coaching staff: “I don’t anticipate that we’ll be keeping any members of the coaching staff. Nothing will change in the personnel department.”

doesn't sound like any will stay to me

I think it's more realistic that what he really meant was "Nobody AUTOMATICALLY keeps their job. Everyone will be reevaluated by the new GM and HC to see if they should stay or not."

As others have mentioned on various threads, Bowlen did not get where he is by being stupid. He may be wrong on this decision (as he himself said), but despite what some people on this board think the man is not a moron.

[Bronx33]

He just said he's not going to have an all in one coach, he says he's hiring a coach first, Goodman will stay, and he's got no candidates in mind for replacements. That's not a plan.


Why would he even disclose his prospects publically ROFL! earth to garcia lighten up dude.

[rugbythug]

He stressed that he lets his Coaches Hire their own staff. That said, I am willing to bet that it will be stressed to the new coach that the Broncos are happy with the offense. Since the Goodmans are staying they know the team and system fits the players they have brought in.

[~Crash~]

It does suck but it IS good for the Broncos. Just not good for people who still haven't woken up to the mediocrity of the past 10 years.

yep that is what bengal fans have said for years ....

[Mediator12]

Again, this is way too little information. People are jumping the gun with what they THINK will happen, when it has not really been decided yet. There were WAY too many inconsistencies in their comments to think this is anything but Peaceful parting that both agreed to the story that would be made public.

[Broncos_OTM]

if i was bowlen i would hire a GM and let him eveluate. and i think that is what he isg onna do

[TheReverend]

Again, this is way too little information. People are jumping the gun with what they THINK will happen, when it has not really been decided yet. There were WAY too many inconsistencies in their comments to think this is anything but Peaceful parting that both agreed to the story that would be made public.

Exactly. Something ****ing happened.

[Bronx33]

Again, this is way too little information. People are jumping the gun with what they THINK will happen, when it has not really been decided yet. There were WAY too many inconsistencies in their comments to think this is anything but Peaceful parting that both agreed to the story that would be made public.




:thumbs: iam personally going to sit back and see what happens after the dust settles i have faith in pat and hes givin me zero reason to not have faith in him..

[Garcia Bronco]

Why would he even disclose his prospects publically ROFL! earth to garcia lighten up dude.

There is a difference between saying who your choices are and that you have a list. He's says he doesn't even have a list.

[~Crash~]

Something ****in fishy happened.

Pat acting like it was just a gut spur of the moment decision and hasn't thought about what comes next even though he's "been thinking about this for a while"

Meanwhile, Mike has a ****in twinkle in his eye everytime he's asked about where he might be coaching next.

This is beyond odd.

you caught that too .... he looked happy to be leaving ...

[Kaylore]

There were WAY too many inconsistencies in their comments to think this is anything but Peaceful parting that both agreed to the story that would be made public.
There was only one I can think of and that was Bowlen saying he doesn't think any of the coaching staff will remain and Shanahan saying they're all staying. Other than that I didn't see them contradicting each other a ton. I think Shanahan has an idea of what's needed and Bowlen disagrees. And that's ultimately why he was fired.

We agree on one thing, though: It doesn't matter what we suppose here in cyber-space. We ultimately have no idea what's going to happen until some people start getting hired.

[Bronx33]

There is a difference between saying who your choices are and that you have a list. He's says he doesn't even have a list.

Fact is pat is not going to state his list of prospects that would be like sending over the battle plans to the germans in WW2 ( think)

[~Crash~]

There is a difference between saying who your choices are and that you have a list. He's says he doesn't even have a list.

then you have the QB saying he had better have a plan .....

[Kaylore]

There is a difference between saying who your choices are and that you have a list. He's says he doesn't even have a list.

Maybe he doesn't have a list but to suggest he doesn't have a plan or people on it is lunacy. Of course he does. He's done this before.

[Bronx33]

People pat is holding the cards close to the vest of course you're going to get limited info about the broncos future direction ( that is being smart) your not going to know the truth until pat executes it.

[colonelbeef]

This sucks and isn't good for the Broncos.

Terrible for the Broncos. I have a hard time reconciling my love for the team with what they did to Mike Shanahan. He is the best thing that ever happened to NFL football in denver.

[HemiEd]

If Bowlen is correct, and Bates/Dennison/Turner/ZBS go out the door with Shanahan the offense will be back to square one along with the defense. That is beyond stupid.

My sympathies to you guys, it must be a tough day.


I think Herm Edwards will be available soon, just sayin. Keep the faith.

[lex]

It feels like Mike man'd up and made it a little bit easier for Pat Bowlen. Like several here, I wish we could have kept Mike Shanahan, but it would have taken some concessions on his part and I don't think he was willing to concede any of his power. I hope he goes on to be a superbowl winner with some team from the NFC! And, however unlikely it may be, I hope he returns to the best organization in sports as an owner when Pat decides it's time.

If you believe that Shanahan loved being in Denver, its almost not possible to also believe that Mike was asked to relinquish his GM duties. Shanahan is not likely going to be both in his next stop and he has to know that, and with that being the case, if he really loves it in Denver, why wouldnt he just give up the power to stay?

[Steve Sewell]

if i was bowlen i would hire a GM and let him eveluate. and i think that is what he isg onna do

He said exactly the opposite though, and was very clear about it. He said that his primary focus is to hire a new head coach. Most on this board are speculating that Jim Goodman will be the new GM.

[Drek]

There is a difference between saying who your choices are and that you have a list. He's says he doesn't even have a list.

And its pretty all world bush league to start sizing up your next coach when the first one still has a chance to take you on a playoff run.

Bowlen having serious doubts about the direction Shanahan is taking the team and actively compiling a list of alternatives are two entirely different things. He had doubts but if Shanahan had shown some kind of late season finish and actually made the playoffs he'd probably still have his job. You expect Bowlen to already have replacements lined up when the season just ended and Shanahan just added the last straw that broke the camel's back?

[lex]

if i was bowlen i would hire a GM and let him eveluate. and i think that is what he isg onna do

Except Bowlens first inclination is to hire a coach first.

[Steve Sewell]

Terrible for the Broncos. I have a hard time reconciling my love for the team with what they did to Mike Shanahan. He is the best thing that ever happened to NFL football in denver.

John Elway was always the straw the stirred the drink for the Broncos, you're nuts. Shanahan provided the right mix for said drink.

[~Crash~]

My sympathies to you guys, it must be a tough day.


I think Herm Edwards will be available soon, just sayin. Keep the faith.

Well the thoughts of mustard and ketchup on Shanahan makes me sick ... have a great day .

[Traveler]

Except Bowlens first inclination is to hire a coach first.

The way Bowlen sounded, he already has his GM.

[~Crash~]

Except Bowlens first inclination is to hire a coach first.

and if true is wrong .

[HemiEd]

Well the thoughts of mustard and ketchup on Shanahan makes me sick ... have a great day .

Shannahan is probably the best "game day" coach I can recall ever seeing roam the sideline. He has literally stolen several games for the Broncos, due to his good decision making.

That is going to be hard to replace.

[Broncos_OTM]

yall could be correct Goodman could very well could be the next GM and i wouldnt doubt it if he was. As long as we get a Top Shelf Offensive C and a Defensive C i will be happy

[~Crash~]

The way Bowlen sounded, he already has his GM.

you know this could be right he said Goodman stays if so I like that.

[CEH]

Shanny gave credit to Goodman for the '06 and '08 drafts right off the bat.
Bowlen may not have the list but someone in the FO has the list. Bowlen will just make the final decisison. What I love about Bowlen is he is an NFL owner not just a businessman. There is a difference. We must win the AFCW not just make the playoffs. 1 AFCW championship in 10 years is not good enough
I'm excited to see if we can come up with a defensive HC to couple with our offense. I can't take another 289 yards rushing

[Play2win]

So, what is the TIME FRAME. I mean how soon do we need to get a GM and Head Coach in here?

As we all know the NFL is a year round business...

With the combine and draft coming up, they'll be here before we know it...

With a (possibly) complete new system on at least one side of the Ball...

How soon do we need to get a new GM and HC in here by?!?

[55CrushEm]

shanahan got the raw end of the deal from bowling

Maybe Pat BOWLING will bring in Foneco to round out our o-line ??

[Bronx33]

So, what is the TIME FRAME. I mean how soon do we need to get a GM and Head Coach in here?

As we all know the NFL is a year round business...

With the combine and draft coming up, they'll be here before we know it...

With a (possibly) complete new system on at least one side of the Ball...

How soon do we need to get a new GM and HC in here by?!?


Noboby can answer that question right now we have no idea who is running the show.

[Garcia Bronco]

Fact is pat is not going to state his list of prospects that would be like sending over the battle plans to the germans in WW2 ( think)

Not the people on the list...just that he has a list. He's got no list.

[~Crash~]

Shannahan is probably the best "game day" coach I can recall ever seeing roam the sideline. He has literally stolen several games for the Broncos, due to his good decision making.

That is going to be hard to replace.

yes he is and I will be rooting for him were ever he lands .

[Don Flamenco]

you know this could be right he said Goodman stays if so I like that.

He also said he doesn't know anything about coachin, hence the coaches on the staff will probably be all let go since keeping coaching staff from an old regime just doesn't happen too often.

[Garcia Bronco]

And its pretty all world bush league to start sizing up your next coach when the first one still has a chance to take you on a playoff run.

Bowlen having serious doubts about the direction Shanahan is taking the team and actively compiling a list of alternatives are two entirely different things. He had doubts but if Shanahan had shown some kind of late season finish and actually made the playoffs he'd probably still have his job. You expect Bowlen to already have replacements lined up when the season just ended and Shanahan just added the last straw that broke the camel's back?

Like a monkey I expect him to have his hand on the next branch before he lets go of the last one. Having a list before you fire your current coach is key. He also said he's been thinking about this since mid-season. So for him to say he doesn't have a list is bush league.

[Play2win]

Noboby can answer that question right now we have no idea who is running the show.

What I mean is, we really need to get someone in here sooner, rather than later... or we might be sacrificing next season...

But, at the same time we can't show to much haste, because it is an (obviously) extremely important decision.

Its just if we wait too long, it will affect the Draft, off season camps, training camp...

I mean if we got to get things done now, How Soon is Now...

[Drek]

He said exactly the opposite though, and was very clear about it. He said that his primary focus is to hire a new head coach. Most on this board are speculating that Jim Goodman will be the new GM.
He said that Goodman wasn't going anywhere. Jim Goodman is currently the VP of Football Operations/Player Personnel

We haven't had a GM period since Sundquist was fired.

I think the assumption that we're going to hire a new head of the front office is pretty wildly speculative at this point. Bowlen seems more than happy with the job that Jim Goodman has done, as well as Jeff Goodman and Brian Xanders, our two assistant GM's.

I'd bet on Goodman keeping his title and seeing greater powers given to him while at the same time given the ability to delegate more to his son and Xanders.

Does anyone here actually go read any bios on our front office staff?

Prior to coming into the NFL Jim Goodman was an elite recruitment coach at multiple universities, before that he'd been a head coach and athletic director at smaller universities. He knows football talent and management at every level.

Jeff Goodman, his son, played D1-A college football, graduated magna cum laude in three years from Florida's business management program, and promptly got his juris doctorate from Florida State. After that he worked in the sports agency division of an Atlanta law firm, drafting contracts for pro athletes.

Xanders was a MLB for Florida State, and left there with an MBA in his back pocket which quickly turned into 14 years of experience at nearly every level of the Falcons organization before coming over here.

Its not like the decision makers in the organization now are a bunch of unqualified or one dimensional staffers who don't know how to tie their shoes without Shanahan around. They're skilled people who understand how the NFL works. We've seen them have success in the limited capacities they were allowed to work in, and the last ti they were given greater responsibility, when Sundquist was fired, this team's overall talent level dramatically improved.

I think Bowlen feels pretty set in the front office, and I can't particularly disagree with him.

[Lolad]

kiss our ZBS system good bye with none of the coaches being retained. Our offense will look nothing like it did this year, which was #2 in the league WITHOUT a running game. I hope I'm wrong but next year this time those of you who are calling this a good move will be crying for Mike to come back. Calling Pat an idiot and other names.

How in the hell are you going to make a #2 offense better by kicking out all of the coaches on that side of the ball?

[Bronx33]

What I mean is, we really need to get someone in here sooner, rather than later... or we might be sacrificing next season...

But, at the same time we can't show to much haste, because it is an (obviously) extremely important decision.

Its just if we wait too long, it will affect the Draft, off season camps, training camp...

I mean if we got to get things done now, How Soon is Now...


I agree and that kinda explains why pat made the decision this early, why **** around.

[Steve Sewell]

Maybe Pat BOWLING will bring in Foneco to round out our o-line ??

**** it, Foneco for GM or head coach.

[Rock Chalk]

kiss our ZBS system good bye with none of the coaches being retained. Our offense will look nothing like it did this year, which was #2 in the league WITHOUT a running game. I hope I'm wrong but next year this time those of you who are calling this a good move will be crying for Mike to come back. Calling Pat an idiot and other names.

How in the hell are you going to make a #2 offense better by kicking out all of the coaches on that side of the ball?

#16 offense.

Offenses judged by yards are poorly judged.

Offenses judged by points scored is a much better and accurate portrayal of the offense. Its easy to get yards between the 20s, much more difficult to punch it into the end zone.

[Drek]

Like a monkey I expect him to have his hand on the next branch before he lets go of the last one. Having a list before you fire your current coach is key. He also said he's been thinking about this since mid-season. So for him to say he doesn't have a list is bush league.

I really don't think Pat Bowlen is the kind of guy to be shooting totally blind.

Does he have a list of candidates to start interviewing tomorrow? No. But I'm sure he's got ideas or at the very least he's delegated it to someone (Jim Goodman most likely).

Bowlen sounds like he's found his front office staff and is going to trust them pretty far in remaking this team.

kiss our ZBS system good bye with none of the coaches being retained. Our offense will look nothing like it did this year, which was #2 in the league WITHOUT a running game. I hope I'm wrong but next year this time those of you who are calling this a good move will be crying for Mike to come back. Calling Pat an idiot and other names.

How in the hell are you going to make a #2 offense better by kicking out all of the coaches on that side of the ball?
Why are you assuming no one will be back?

Bowlen doesn't anticipate anyone being retained. Thats just a nice way to say that no one's job is safe on the coaching staff and that whomever they bring in to run the show could axe 'em all. Or they could keep the entire staff. Its their call.

Also, our offense might have ranked #2 in the NFL but it sure as hell didn't play like it every week. We were horribly inconsistent. Putting up 40 one week and 13 the next doesn't make you a legitimate offense in the NFL if you ask me.

[Steve Sewell]

kiss our ZBS system good bye with none of the coaches being retained. Our offense will look nothing like it did this year, which was #2 in the league WITHOUT a running game. I hope I'm wrong but next year this time those of you who are calling this a good move will be crying for Mike to come back. Calling Pat an idiot and other names.

How in the hell are you going to make a #2 offense better by kicking out all of the coaches on that side of the ball?

Bowlen said he didn't expect for any of the staff to be retained, because like any good owner, he would allow the head coach to choose a staff that he feels comfortable with.

However, many on the staff are still under contract and I'm sure that the new HC would be "encouraged" but not mandated to retain some of the offensive staff.

[Steve Sewell]

The naivete of many on this board is breathtaking.

[Lolad]

#16 offense.

Offenses judged by yards are poorly judged.

Offenses judged by points scored is a much better and accurate portrayal of the offense. Its easy to get yards between the 20s, much more difficult to punch it into the end zone.

#2 in passing... We had no run game so inside the 20's gets pretty hard to punch it in without a decent back

[Rock Chalk]

The stupidity of many on this board is breathtaking.

Fixed it for you :)

[Steve Sewell]

Fixed it for you :)

I was trying to be nice!

[skpac1001]

#16 offense.

Offenses judged by yards are poorly judged.

Offenses judged by points scored is a much better and accurate portrayal of the offense. Its easy to get yards between the 20s, much more difficult to punch it into the end zone.

Maybe, but doesn't the defense and special teams cloud the issue much more with points scored due to field position? In that case it would be pretty badly biased against the Broncos O.

[Bronx33]

The naivete of many on this board is breathtaking.



Saying it is one thing but explaining it is another iam not trying to be a hardass but please point a finger.

[Rock Chalk]

#2 in passing... We had no run game so inside the 20's gets pretty hard to punch it in without a decent back

I cant stand talking to stupid people.

We had no run game inside the 20s because we ****ing have Jeremy "Lets pass the ****ing ball all the time" Bates as our OC.

[Steve Sewell]

Saying it is one thing but explaining it is another iam not trying to be a hardass but please point a finger.

Thanks for reinforcing my point. Have you read some of the idiotic posts in this thread and others? Why should it need to even be explained? See my post previous to the one you quoted as a prime example.

[Rock Chalk]

Maybe, but doesn't the defense and special teams cloud the issue much more with points scored due to field position? In that case it would be pretty badly biased against the Broncos O.

No doubt. When you are forced to go 80 yards every time scoring is difficult. But moving the ball between the 20s is easier whether you start at the 10 or the 40 yard line. Our problem was the god damn OC who passed regardless of situation in the red zone which led to obligatory intercepted passes and fumbles.

Run the god damn ball in the red zone. We had the O-line and we had the ability despite what so many people on this board believe because of their lack of knowledge and their stubborn belief that we got 1 1 2 20 yards on the run plays. It was more like 1, 4, 6, 5, 7, 3, 2, 0, 20, 4, 8, 6, 7. Most of our runs regardless of the back were between 3 and 8 yard runs. MOST Of them. We have few runs over 20 yards and few runs for 0 or negative yardage. People only remember those.

[Lolad]

Bowlen said he didn't expect for any of the staff to be retained, because like any good owner, he would allow the head coach to choose a staff that he feels comfortable with.

However, many on the staff are still under contract and I'm sure that the new HC would be "encouraged" but not mandated to retain some of the offensive staff.

If he brings in an offensive minded coach he would want guys around him that agreed to HIS principles. I guess we'll stay tuned for that

[Kaylore]

I cant stand talking to stupid people.

We had no run game inside the 20s because we ****ing have Jeremy "Lets pass the ****ing ball all the time" Bates as our OC.

That's not true, Alec. I don't know what season you're remembering, but at the beginning of the season we pretty much let Pittman take all the glory after passing our way down there. Until he was injured he was one of the best backs in fantasy because he was the TD getter. We didn't start throwing every down in the redzone until after we lost Hillis. Hillis in the Jets game served the same role.

[Lolad]

I cant stand talking to stupid people.

We had no run game inside the 20s because we ****ing have Jeremy "Lets pass the ****ing ball all the time" Bates as our OC.

We ran the ball when we had a competent back inside the 20. You should watch some tape. I'm not even going to stoop to your level and insult you. Did we run more passing plays? Yes thats a fact, But when Hillis and even Pittman were healthy we were in the top 10 in redzone offense. we were #7 through week 12 in THE REDZONE!

[Bronx33]

Thanks for reinforcing my point. Have you read some of the idiotic posts in this thread and others? Why should it need to even be explained? See my post previous to the one you quoted as a prime example.



Gotcha...

[Don Flamenco]

We ran the ball when we had a competent back inside the 20. You should watch some tape. I'm not even going to stoop to your level and insult you. Did we run more passing plays? Yes thats a fact, But when Hillis and even Pittman were healthy we were in the top 10 in redzone offense


Yep, early on with Pittman it was very encouraging seeing us able to punch it in the Redzone again.

[Play2win]

I agree and that kinda explains why pat made the decision this early, why **** around.

Right. Now is the time to be decisive. Now is the time to demonstrate excellent decision making ability.

Now Pat Bowlen is the Quarterback, lets hope he's a damn good one... :thumbsup:

[TonyR]

... he looked happy to be leaving ...

Yes, people always cry when they're happily leaving something. You can't be serious with this, can you?

[HemiEd]

yes he is and I will be rooting for him were ever he lands .

Even in KC?

Oh and about that need for a DC, how about a package deal? Gunther and Herm, no compensation required. Enjoy.

[Bronx33]

Even in KC?

Oh and about that need for a DC, how about a package deal? Gunther and Herm, no compensation required. Enjoy.

Jut enjoy your 09 season (i know i will)