Armstrong: Bates will be back, Elway coming in a very real possiblity

[montrose]

Listening to 104.3 The Fan (credibility check), Jim Armstrong said Bowlen okayed Bates' extension a few days ago even though he's been considering firing Shanahan since mid-season. Considering the finances, and Bowlen's thinking he made the wrong move in 1991 when he kept Dan Reeves and let Reeves fire Shanahan, Bowlen wants Bates running the offense.

Armstrong also said Bowlen has a great deal of trust and confidence in Elway and wouldn't be shocked at all if #7 was brought on board in a very large capacity. Armstrong said Bowlen's finances will play a huge role into who is brought in and with the financial commitment to Bates, he believes it will be a defensive HC brought in. The name being most used is Titans DC Jim Schwartz.

[rugbythug]

This is great news. Other than elway

[Kaylore]

Armstrong is ok at writing information given him, but his hypotheses are always really lame. "Boys, what about Jason Kidd?" "Fellas, what about bringing in Brett Favre?"::)

[Rock Chalk]

This is great news. Other than elway

Why not Elway in some capacity?

Honestly, Elway as QB Coach with Jay Cutler? **** its over for the rest of hte league.

[cmhargrove]

Listening to 104.3 The Fan (credibility check), Jim Armstrong said Bowlen okayed Bates' extension a few days ago even though he's been considering firing Shanahan since mid-season. Considering the finances, and Bowlen's thinking he made the wrong move in 1991 when he kept Dan Reeves and let Reeves fire Shanahan, Bowlen wants Bates running the offense.

Armstrong also said Bowlen has a great deal of trust and confidence in Elway and wouldn't be shocked at all if #7 was brought on board in a very large capacity. Armstrong said Bowlen's finances will play a huge role into who is brought in and with the financial commitment to Bates, he believes it will be a defensive HC brought in. The name being most used is Titans DC Jim Schwartz.

So will we see a lot of Elway's arena football guys on the field now that they are out of work?

[cmhargrove]

Why not Elway in some capacity?

Honestly, Elway as QB Coach with Jay Cutler? **** its over for the rest of hte league.

Except that it seems they really don't like each other so much...

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Elways talents as a player dont necessarily translate to being a coach. Elway seems like more of a man about town than someone willing to sit in an office for 14 hours. Of course this is based on nothing but impression, but there ya have it.

Schwartz would be interesting. Is he Jewish? If so, im all for it:)

[Steve Sewell]

Except that it seems they really don't like each other so much...

Elway criticized Cutler for bashing Marshall in the media, and Cutler said he had a better arm than Elway (which Elway agreed with). Wow they must despise each other.

[Steve Sewell]

Elways talents as a player dont necessarily translate to being a coach. Elway seems like more of a man about town than someone willing to sit in an office for 14 hours. Of course this is based on nothing but impression, but there ya have it.

Schwartz would be interesting. Is he Jewish? If so, im all for it:)

I think it has been reported on more than a few occasions that Elway was the hardest working guy on the team, even in his later years. Considering that Elway had(still has?) a penchant for booze, ladies, and smoking that's pretty impressive if you ask me.

[rugbythug]

Jordan is a Better Player than Elway lets bring him in.

[theAPAOps5]

Armstrong is far from credible. He throws **** on the wall and eventually something sticks. I doubt anything he is saying especially on the hack radio station the FAN.

[BroncoFiend]

Thinking of Elway in the front office gives me scary visions of Millen in Detroit. Great player, but as GM? Not so much.

I love Elway as a player, I would hate to sour my memories of him seeing him screw up as a GM.

[Broncoman13]

If Elway comes in it's as a GM/VP type role, not a coach. IMO he wouldn't do well as a coach. He was way too talented to coach anybody to play his type of game. As talented as Cutler is, don't expect somebody like Elway to teach him to play to his level, just won't happen. The guys that have moderate talent that were smart players, Harbaugh, Zorn, eventually Pennington... those are the guys that make good coaches.

I don't like the idea of Schwartz for one simple reason, the talent he has on that defense is incredible. It's hard not to have success with that much talent. I would rather have Spags, Mangini, or Nolan for defense. Bring in Pioli and let him make the choice. Bowlen has done well at selecting coaches but I think he should allow a GM to make the call on this one.

[Rock Chalk]

Elways talents as a player dont necessarily translate to being a coach. Elway seems like more of a man about town than someone willing to sit in an office for 14 hours. Of course this is based on nothing but impression, but there ya have it.

Schwartz would be interesting. Is he Jewish? If so, im all for it:)

I doubt someone who owned and operated a professional football team (The Crush) didnt sit in an office his fair share.

It may not even be coaching. Maybe he is a good coach, maybe not, but maybe its about talent evaluation. As talented as Elway has been in most everything he has done Im pretty sure he would be a good coach, evaluator or both.

Either way I would not be opposed to bringing Elway in in some regard. He's ****ing Johnny Legend!

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Armstrong is far from credible. He throws **** on the wall and eventually something sticks. I doubt anything he is saying especially on the hack radio station the FAN.

You're still sore from the Cory Boyd incident, arent ya

[Crashman44b]

They are talking about Elway as a GM. Not a coach. F that. Neither

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I doubt someone who owned and operated a professional football team (The Crush) didnt sit in an office his fair share.

It may not even be coaching. Maybe he is a good coach, maybe not, but maybe its about talent evaluation. As talented as Elway has been in most everything he has done Im pretty sure he would be a good coach, evaluator or both.

Either way I would not be opposed to bringing Elway in in some regard. He's ****ing Johnny Legend!

It would certainly be a nice PR move thats for sure. I'd support it if he was brought on as a consultant or some sort. I dont know, i just really want someone with experience in here.

[Circle Orange]

Except that it seems they really don't like each other so much...

It's weird, but I kind of get that same vibe too, especially hostility on Jay's part. But geez, he had to know the comparison thing is constant in Denver. It's getting silly, all the comparisons JUST BECAUSE Jay has a strong arm and can move. Can we insert every qb that does these things for a comparison? Let his career play out and see what happens.


"Ya knew the job was dangerous when ya took it." ;D

[Steve Sewell]

I doubt someone who owned and operated a professional football team (The Crush) didnt sit in an office his fair share.

It may not even be coaching. Maybe he is a good coach, maybe not, but maybe its about talent evaluation. As talented as Elway has been in most everything he has done Im pretty sure he would be a good coach, evaluator or both.

Either way I would not be opposed to bringing Elway in in some regard. He's ****ing Johnny Legend!

Pretty much everything that Elway has touched has turned to gold, and I'm not being a homer with that statement.

[Dendave]

Bowlen okayed Bates' extension a few days ago even though he's been considering firing Shanahan since mid-season.

Bowlen's finances will play a huge role into who is brought in and with the financial commitment to Bates

Why not just hire Bates as HC if that's the case?
...geez

[Don Flamenco]

Elway criticized Cutler for bashing Marshall in the media, and Cutler said he had a better arm than Elway (which Elway agreed with). Wow they must despise each other.

No, I think what you meant to say was they talk and break down film before every game and Elway was mentoring Cutler during his first season in Denver. Cutler has credited him with how to handle the media and the Denver public. Just this weekend, they both came to the local Cineplex to watch 'Benjamin Button'. Elway loved every minute of the three hours, while Cutler thought it was better suited to falling asleep on Elway's shoulder.

[baja]

Why not Elway in some capacity?

Honestly, Elway as QB Coach with Jay Cutler? **** its over for the rest of hte league.

Great players do not always make great coaches.

I don't like the Elway idea.

we need some one with a track record right now could be young but still with a coaching or personal track record.

I would like to see the Goodmans continue to do what they are doing and all the offensive side stay intact. The place to clean house is on D & ST

[theAPAOps5]

Why not just hire Bates as HC if that's the case?
...geez

Because like Kubiak was in the early 2000's he isn't ready. Kubiak almost took the CU job before Barnett did back in the day. Bowlen went to Kubiak and said you need to grow more and stay in the NFL. You will be an NFL coach but its not your time. Then the Houston job came open and Kubiak got it.

The point being is keep a great mind on the staff and groom him for either your team or another team if you are set with a good coach. Good business men surround themselves with even better employees its how they gain success.

[telluride]

Why not Elway in some capacity?

Honestly, Elway as QB Coach with Jay Cutler? **** its over for the rest of hte league.

Didn't the Bush debacle prove the folly of nepotism/cronyism? Other than being a great QB, what exactly qualifies Elway to be a GM? He'd be a horrible GM -- he has the same outsized arrogance as Shanny, but with less experience, less commitment, and a lesser work ethic.

We need a true professional GM. Fresh blood. Someone who worked their way up through a different franchise(s) management structure and learned and grew along the way. What we don't need is an amateur like Elway.

[Don Flamenco]

Why not Elway in some capacity?

Honestly, Elway as QB Coach with Jay Cutler? **** its over for the rest of hte league.


And then bring in Favre when he decides to retire to HC the team. Then it would REALY be over for the league

[ZONA]

Why not just hire Bates as HC if that's the case?
...geez

Because he's an offensive coach. Bowlen is looking for a DC to be the coach. Don't you listen?

[Blart]

The Colorado Crush have been to the playoffs every year since '04 and won the ArenaBowl in '05

[Dendave]

Because like Kubiak was in the early 2000's he isn't ready. Kubiak almost took the CU job before Barnett did back in the day. Bowlen went to Kubiak and said you need to grow more and stay in the NFL. You will be an NFL coach but its not your time. Then the Houston job came open and Kubiak got it.

The point being is keep a great mind on the staff and groom him for either your team or another team if you are set with a good coach. Good business men surround themselves with even better employees its how they gain success.

But, hypothetically, what if they bring in say, Parcell's and Parcell's wants to bring in, Jason Garrett, didn't you just lose out on a guy who already has a "great mind"?

I am just saying the talk of keeping Bates is premature. It works like this, what if Bowlen, does bring in a defesive minded coach than you have Bates to run the offense so you need to keep Bates under contract until the decision is made. If you bring in someone who doesn't want bates he won't be here, but if Bowlen wants Bates that bad, make him the head coach...

[baja]

he Colorado Crush have been to the playoffs every year since '04 and won the ArenaBowl in '05My sister won teacher of the year 6 times in ten years in a good middle school why the hell doesn't Princeton call.

[Dendave]

Because he's an offensive coach. Bowlen is looking for a DC to be the coach. Don't you listen?

link?

[Meck77]

Great players do not always make great coaches.

I don't like the Elway idea.


From a PR perspective and generating some short term excitement with the organization it could be brilliant move. For the long run I agree with you Baja. This isn't the time for an experiment. I'd be in favor of seeing Elway brought in a position he could grow into and prove himself though.

[theAPAOps5]

But, hypothetically, what if they bring in say, Parcell's and Parcell's wants to bring in, Jason Garrett, didn't you just lose out on a guy who already has a "great mind"?

I am just saying the talk of keeping Bates is premature. It works like this, what if Bowlen, does bring in a defesive minded coach than you have Bates to run the offense so you need to keep Bates under contract until the decision is made. If you bring in someone who doesn't want bates he won't be here, but if Bowlen wants Bates that bad, make him the head coach...

Thats why Bowlen will pick a GM to pick a coach who will work with the organizations vision.

[uplink]

Good idea in terms of Bates running the offense and getting a defensive HC. Don't like Elway as GM too much, but at least he has some experience in the AFL.

Hope Al Davis doesn't hire Bates as HC. He is the typical young offensive guy Davis likes.

[broncocalijohn]

From a PR perspective and generating some short term excitement with the organization it could be brilliant move. For the long run I agree with you Baja. This isn't the time for an experiment. I'd be in favor of seeing Elway brought in a position he could grow into and prove himself though.

I have seen Elway lately and he seems interested in growing into bigger pants. Elway has not done anything since retiring to warrant a HC job.

[Don Flamenco]

My sister won teacher of the year 6 times in ten years in a good middle school why the hell doesn't Princeton call.


I was really good at ping pong in my late teens. I was even crowned the Santa Clara county champion. Alas, the fast life, drinking, and women got to me and now I am only a mere shell of the great player I once was. *Sigh*

[rastaman]

This is great news. Other than elway

Bates is great news from the stand point of continuity with Jay Culter.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

From a PR perspective and generating some short term excitement with the organization it could be brilliant move. For the long run I agree with you Baja. This isn't the time for an experiment. I'd be in favor of seeing Elway brought in a position he could grow into and prove himself though.


Then again, since when have the broncos been in need of a positive PR move?

[rastaman]

I was really good at ping pong in my late teens. I was even crowned the Santa Clara county champion. Alas, the fast life, drinking, and women got to me and now I am only a mere shell of the great player I once was. *Sigh*

Taking antioxidants for one month....should restore your prowess dominance!!!;D

[Don Flamenco]

Taking antioxidants for one month....should restore your prowess dominance!!!;D

I feel the booz and fast livin has affected more than just the physical aspects of my game. I can't even look at small white balls anymore. Even the mere similar scent of table tennis paddle rubber sends me into instant panic attacks.

[Drek]

I could see Elway brought in as a front office guy, he's been pretty hands on with the Crush by all accounts I've seen and they became a solid Arena team pretty quickly.

I wouldn't be surprised to see something like:
Elway as VP, Goodman retained/promoted to GM.

Then either use Elway's Stanford connection to get Jim Harbaugh as the HC with Nolan as the DC and Bates at OC,

or..

Sign Spagnuolo to be the HC, keep Dennison and Bates to run the offense together, and let Spagnuolo pick his DC.

That'd be some solid off-season moves.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Because like Kubiak was in the early 2000's he isn't ready. Kubiak almost took the CU job before Barnett did back in the day.

He actually took the CU job, then backed out as CU was setting up the press conference.

I want Elway no where near this organization in a large role. Put him in a minor role in the FO and let him prove himself. His HOF career on the field does not mean he knows how to run an NFL franchise off the field.

[yerner]

Elway as a gm would be a disaster of Millen's fatass proportions. Acquiring and identifying players is a job that takes years to master. Its like any other profession.

[mnfan]

How did the Colorado Crush do? Wasn't he essentially a GM there?

[telluride]

How did the Colorado Crush do? Wasn't he essentially a GM there?

A minor success with a minor team in a bankrupt league does not equal NFL success.

[Kaylore]

By the way Bowlin shot this down pretty quickly. Some moron asked if John Elway would be brought in and Bowlin scoffed at the idea and pointed out how he's very busy.

[bronco_diesel]

By the way Bowlin shot this down pretty quickly. Some moron asked if John Elway would be brought in and Bowlin scoffed at the idea and pointed out how he's very busy.

true. although he did comment "i don't even know if he has any interest"

though i think it is doubtful he is brought in..

[Rohirrim]

I could see Elway brought in as a front office guy, he's been pretty hands on with the Crush by all accounts I've seen and they became a solid Arena team pretty quickly.

I wouldn't be surprised to see something like:
Elway as VP, Goodman retained/promoted to GM.

Then either use Elway's Stanford connection to get Jim Harbaugh as the HC with Nolan as the DC and Bates at OC,

or..

Sign Spagnuolo to be the HC, keep Dennison and Bates to run the offense together, and let Spagnuolo pick his DC.

That'd be some solid off-season moves.

If he goes to a college coach I hope it's Carroll. Package number two (Spagnuolo, etc.) would be excellent.

[BroncoMan4ever]

So will we see a lot of Elway's arena football guys on the field now that they are out of work?

i wouldn't mind the receiver that used to be on the Crush. Damien Harrell i think his name was

[chaz]

I'd have to pass on hiring the NFL's version of Isaiah Thomas...what gives anyone any faith that Elway can evaluate talent?

[bloodsunday]

I think everything other than what's done is pure speculation.

I believe Bowlen when he says he has not thought about the next coach yet. I think he has too much respect for Mike Shanahan to start dreaming about new scenarios when he hasn't even finished closing this chapter.

It's not impossible that the finances will rule the next decision. But I think if Bowlen really wants a coach... he'll make it happen.

[NOLA Bronco]

May the Schwartz be with you....

[Bronx33]

Listening to 104.3 The Fan (credibility check), Jim Armstrong said Bowlen okayed Bates' extension a few days ago even though he's been considering firing Shanahan since mid-season. Considering the finances, and Bowlen's thinking he made the wrong move in 1991 when he kept Dan Reeves and let Reeves fire Shanahan, Bowlen wants Bates running the offense.

Armstrong also said Bowlen has a great deal of trust and confidence in Elway and wouldn't be shocked at all if #7 was brought on board in a very large capacity. Armstrong said Bowlen's finances will play a huge role into who is brought in and with the financial commitment to Bates, he believes it will be a defensive HC brought in. The name being most used is Titans DC Jim Schwartz.



Ok you heard the same thing i did then.

[fdf]

Cutler thought it was better suited to falling asleep on Elway's shoulder.

Yeah. But Cutler always looks like he's asleep.

[MagicHef]

May the Schwartz be with you....

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/sports/football/23titans.html

Also, I wouldn't mind seeing Dennison promoted to HC, provided it meant that someone from the outside was brought in as DC and given control over who would be coaching under him.

[doonwise]

Why not Elway in some capacity?

Honestly, Elway as QB Coach with Jay Cutler? **** its over for the rest of hte league.

Only if Elway can TEACH. We have no idea if he can do that. All we do know is that he was THE MAN when he was PLAYING.

[broncocalijohn]

I'd have to pass on hiring the NFL's version of Isaiah Thomas...what gives anyone any faith that Elway can evaluate talent?

I think he can evaluate talent pretty good. Is this what you mean?

[Paladin]

Wrong talent

[tsiguy96]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/23/sports/football/23titans.html

Also, I wouldn't mind seeing Dennison promoted to HC, provided it meant that someone from the outside was brought in as DC and given control over who would be coaching under him.

if we are getting rid of shanahan, they wont promote one of his protoges to head coach. pat said its time for a change, i think he will bring in someone completely different. its nice, i would be willing to bet we get the absolute pick of the litter as far as potential coaches go.

[Cito Pelon]

Is Elway still a beach boy? In some ways, probably. On the other hand, he has business savvy. He's not gonna be a coach, that's for certain. He and Bowlen are already business partners in the Colorado Crush. Elway owned maybe 15 major auto dealerships in the Denver metro area up til 2003 or so, Toyota, GM, Ford, Chrysler all the major brands. Sold all of them now they're GO brand. Elway owns two restaurants in Denver.

IIRC the only time Bowlen chuckled during the presser was when he was asked about Elway being part of the operation. Maybe he was chuckling to hide something, or he really thought that was a laugh. Who knows.

[Bronx33]

Well shanahan just proved why you don't hire your buddies so i doubt pat will hire his long time pal elway ( that's just not a good buiness decision IMO)

[chaz]

I think he can evaluate talent pretty good. Is this what you mean?

ha no, I mean the best players are not necessarily the best front office guys.

[watermock]

Elway? Your kidding me.

[The MVPlaya]

No... Elway would be a horrible hire for a HC. Hire someone with real HC experience.

[footstepsfrom#27]

How would he know?

No to Elway...I'd hate to see the fan base blasting the Duke when things don't go right. Let's just move on from that whole era and develop an entirely new identity.

[Circle Orange]

Never! In desperation we cling to the past like life itself. :rofl: