It'll be Scott Pioli and either Ferentz or McDaniel

[telluride]

Here's your new brain trust:

Pioli - GM
Kirk Ferentz or Josh McDaniel - HC
Goodman - Asst. GM

And I'd be quite happy, actually.

[Bronx33]

Wins make me happy

[NYC Bronco]

we need a defensive minded coach spagnulo, ryan, etc

[Br0nc0Buster]

Is this anything other than your opinion?

[Broncoman13]

Here's your new brain trust:

Pioli - GM
Kirk Ferentz or Josh McDaniel - HC
Goodman - Asst. GM

And I'd be quite happy, actually.

What is the connection with Ferentz and Pioli? I've seen those two linked in several posts but I don't know of the connection. McDaniel and Pioli is obvious and a very attractive option IMO. Pioli's understudy went to Atlanta and made some HUGE moves. He brought in Michael Turner and then had the guts/wisdom to both hire Mike Smith and draft Ryan. Pioli sees that success and knows he can do the same thing. It would be a great and exciting time for the Denver Broncos!

[telluride]

Is this anything other than your opinion?

Nope, just my hunch.

[Broncoman13]

we need a defensive minded coach spagnulo, ryan, etc

Not really, if you get a young guy like McDaniels who is an offensive genius, there is a good chance he brings in a reputable DC as his expertise is offense. It would be the best of both worlds and the topper would be a GM that is probably better than AJ Smith at personnel decisions!

[fontaine]

Give me a HC who actually has a history of constant competitive success. Give me Cowher.

His players absolutely loved him in Pittsburgh and year after year they were one of the best teams in the league drafting and executing on Defense.

[tsiguy96]

Not really, if you get a young guy like McDaniels who is an offensive genius, there is a good chance he brings in a reputable DC as his expertise is offense. It would be the best of both worlds and the topper would be a GM that is probably better than AJ Smith at personnel decisions!

exactly, considering the firepower at offense that we have, an OC as head coach would be perfect. especially mcdaniels as we tried to replicate the patriots style offense this year. he could bring it to us and find a real DC. im very excited to see him, and i think hed love to be in denver.

[lostknight]

I am worried about the goodman clan.

[summerdenver]

What is the connection with Ferentz and Pioli? I've seen those two linked in several posts but I don't know of the connection.


I believe they both worked for BB when he was HC of Browns. As did Saban, Mangini .....

[telluride]

I am worried about the goodman clan.

They'll stay if it's Pioli. If you can work as assts. under the best personnel guy in the league, you do it. Then become a serious GM candidate in the following years.

[Rocky Mountain Stampede]

Pioli? ewwwww

[Crashman44b]

Here's your new brain trust:

Pioli - GM
Kirk Ferentz or Josh McDaniel - HC
Goodman - Asst. GM

And I'd be quite happy, actually.

Ferentz?LMFAO. F that.

[MechanicalBull]

Here's your new brain trust:

Pioli - GM
Kirk Ferentz or Josh McDaniel - HC
Goodman - Asst. GM

And I'd be quite happy, actually.

I'd sign for that right now. Cowher is a long shot but would love him or Spagnulo.

Cowher turned down Cleveland because he doesn't want to rebuild but is listening to the Jets so that makes me wonder if he would come here.

[BroncoMan4ever]

we need a defensive minded coach spagnulo, ryan, etc

we need an offensive minded coach who understands he doesn't know defense well and will delegate the defensive responsibilities to an intelligent DC.

[telluride]

Bowlen won't trade one overpowered GM/VP/HC for another. (A Cowher wants such a deal.) He'll go for the star GM and leave the HC choice to him. Thus: Pioli, and whomever Pioli chooses.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Can we keep the baseless predictions to one thread?

[telluride]

Can we keep the baseless predictions to one thread?

I predict no.

[Needa Pass Rush]

we need an offensive minded coach who understands he doesn't know defense well and will delegate the defensive responsibilities to an intelligent DC.

Having an offensive genius that doesn't know defenses seems unlikely. lol

[snowspot66]

The Pats haven't exactly been lights out in the drafting department. I'd prefer the Goodman's get promoted.

[lex]

Id kind of like the Goodmans to stay and possibly be promoted. Im not sure how sensible they would be with the $$ side of things though. You simply cant match the track record Denver has had the last 3 years of the draft. Id kind of like Kubiak. I could also live with Kirk Ferentz.

[Broncoman13]

The Pats haven't exactly been lights out in the drafting department. I'd prefer the Goodman's get promoted.

Hopefully we would keep the Goodman's, but there is a lot more to building a team than just the draft. While guys like Maroney, Chad Jackson, and Merriweather don't look like great picks, they've also been very successful in bringing in good players to fit their scheme and offer continuity. They are very successful in the later rounds of the draft and fortunately, the positions we need help with are their speciality in the draft...DL and LB.

[telluride]

Id kind of like the Goodmans to stay and possibly be promoted. Im not sure how sensible they would be with the $$ side of things though. You simply cant match the track record Denver has had the last 3 years of the draft. Id kind of like Kubiak. I could also live with Kirk Ferentz.

Again, the myth of the three great years. The fact is that 2006 was great, 2007 was a bust, and 2008 was great. That's 66%. I'm happy with that, but please stop saying that we've had three great drafts in a row.

[lex]

Again, the myth of the three great years. The fact is that 2006 was great, 2007 was a bust, and 2008 was great. That's 66%. I'm happy with that, but please stop saying that we've had three great drafts in a row.

STFU...if you add up the three years together, nary a team can match the Goodman's handiwerk over three seasons.

[snowspot66]

Again, the myth of the three great years. The fact is that 2006 was great, 2007 was a bust, and 2008 was great. That's 66%. I'm happy with that, but please stop saying that we've had three great drafts in a row.

Then stop saying 07 was a bust. We got two starters out of that draft at important positions. That's around league average.

[BroncoBuff]

Then stop saying 07 was a bust. We got two starters out of that draft at important positions. That's around league average.2007 was actually better than average ...we had just four picks remember, and we landed two decade+ pillar linemen. Plus a couppla so far underachieving guys that deserve one more year before the "B"-word gets tagged on them.

Two decade-long starters in four picks is pretty good ... very few (if any) teams hit on half their picks as starters. And that was Goodman's LEAST impressive year.

[telluride]

Then stop saying 07 was a bust. We got two starters out of that draft at important positions. That's around league average.

We got one quality starter, and one starter by default. That's 1.5 players in a draft in which we had 7 picks. That's a horrible draft.

[Rock Chalk]

Give me a HC who actually has a history of constant competitive success. Give me Cowher.

His players absolutely loved him in Pittsburgh and year after year they were one of the best teams in the league drafting and executing on Defense.

The problem I see with Cowher is that I doubt Bowlen gives that much power to one individual again.

Cowher doesnt want full reigns, but he wants GM duties or at least director of personell. That may be well and good, but Im thinking there will be a clear distinction between GM, HC, and VP Of Football Operations from this point forward in the Denver organization.

As well it should be.

Each is a very tasking job and each requires an individual to do the job effectively. Bowlens ONLY mistake as far as I can tell was giving Shanny full reign of the castle in the first place.

[chaz]

Pioli or Parcells with McDaniels or Spagnuolo and I'll be happy

[snowspot66]

We got one quality starter, and one starter by default. That's 1.5 players in a draft in which we had 7 picks. That's a horrible draft.

Aren't Thomas and Harris from 07? Seems good to me. A starting RT who was a stud this year and a DT who was pegged as a first round talent before he got into trouble. Thomas has played fairly well in only two years. DT's don't generally turn it on for three or for years. If we get a competant DC and Dline coach Moss and Crowder might actually become servicable. Crowder showed some promise his rookie year. God knows Slowik wouldn't know how to use him or Moss.

Two starters is league average and seven picks is also average. The draft was fine.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Bowlen won't trade one overpowered GM/VP/HC for another. (A Cowher wants such a deal.) He'll go for the star GM and leave the HC choice to him. Thus: Pioli, and whomever Pioli chooses.

While I hate to agree with this (well on the total control post). Id bet thats true we get a GM and most likely a on the rise assistant (maybe we can grab Garret) to take HC. I am pretty spooked the next couple years may be harsh while we rebuild the Def..

[telluride]

While I hate to agree with this (well on the total control post). Id bet thats true we get a GM and most likely a on the rise assistant (maybe we can grab Garret) to take HC. I am pretty spooked the next couple years may be harsh while we rebuild the Def..

Parcells rebuilt Miami in one offseason -- while getting rid of thier two best defensive players.

[BroncoBuff]

Crowder showed some promise his rookie year.
Yes ... and along these lines, though I didn't see this posted, but after several weeks of being deactivated, Tim Crowder played Sunday night and actually had some push in a few plays! (I didn't hallucinate this, did I? ???)

He might end up a bust, but he and Jarvis both get one more year imo.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Parcells rebuilt Miami in one offseason -- while getting rid of thier two best defensive players.

And he isnt going anywhere we are going to be gambling with this GM (and thats my call just like you guessed on your take).

[telluride]

I'm not saying get Parcells -- just pointing out what a good GM can do in one offseason.

[BMarsh615]

Here's your new brain trust:

Pioli - GM
Kirk Ferentz or Josh McDaniel - HC
Goodman - Asst. GM

And I'd be quite happy, actually.

No ex New England coordinators please. They fail every new place they go.

[fontaine]

The problem I see with Cowher is that I doubt Bowlen gives that much power to one individual again.

Cowher doesnt want full reigns, but he wants GM duties or at least director of personell. That may be well and good, but Im thinking there will be a clear distinction between GM, HC, and VP Of Football Operations from this point forward in the Denver organization.

As well it should be.

Each is a very tasking job and each requires an individual to do the job effectively. Bowlens ONLY mistake as far as I can tell was giving Shanny full reign of the castle in the first place.

I don't see anything wrong with Cowher getting that kind of control. We need an ass kicker who can spot defensive talent and develop it and Cowher has a proven track record in that area.

At this point I don't care whether the HC gets that kind of power as long as it's not some first time HC.

Pioli would be the icing on the cake but we don't need to break in a first time HC who's learning on the job. By the time the guy comes to speed with handling all the responsibilities two/three years could go by.

[fontaine]

No ex New England coordinators please. They fail every new place they go.

You know I would have agreed with you but the job he's done without Brady shows a lot of credibility. He would be my second choice right now because if you look at what Shanahan did this year with the offense and Cutler, it's copying a LOT of what the Pats did last year with Brady and that offense.

Cutler pretty much admitted that at the start of the season when he said that they had installed a plays that were similar to what the pats did because they had so much success with it.

[bloodsunday]

Then stop saying 07 was a bust. We got two starters out of that draft at important positions. That's around league average.

Hmmm.. perhaps bust is a strong word. It was a best a so-so draft. But 2007 will be remembered for two things: 1) It was a defense oriented draft and none of them are impact players and 2) the lack of numbers.

That draft will be judged by the picks of Crowder and Moss. And don't forget, we MOVED UP to get Moss. We could have stayed put and picked up Jon Beason.

[elsid13]

Why isn't Dinger name being throw around? He a "young" OC that know the system has connection with coaches (Bates/Dennision/Turner) and Cutler/Marshall/Schef.

He outside the team and has shown that can run offense away from Shanahan and is on successful team.

[snowspot66]

No thank you to Dinger. Very uninspiring choice. I think he only came here because he's friends with Shanahan.

[elsid13]

No thank you to Dinger. Very uninspiring choice. I think he only came here because he's friends with Shanahan.

Yeah he not a big name, but he is good OC and like I stated he would keep the offense staff in place, which Bowlen has stated he would like to do.

[Drek]

Again, the myth of the three great years. The fact is that 2006 was great, 2007 was a bust, and 2008 was great. That's 66%. I'm happy with that, but please stop saying that we've had three great drafts in a row.

'07 produced Harris and Thomas, two solid contributors.

It isn't their fault that Shanahan calls the shots and wanted to reach after Moss, or that they gave up their first two picks towards getting Bates' DEs.

FYI, a first rounder we were aiming for as opposed to Moss was Jon Beason. I'd say the Goodmans identify talent pretty damn well.

What I'd personally like to see is the Goodmans retained and given more personnel power, then decide what kind of defense we want to run and find a way to fit the pieces around that.

Want a 4-3? Get Spagnuolo to be the HC or Mike Wafle for DC. 3-4? See if we can get Mike Nolan to take a DC or assistant HC job to install it for us.

On offense I think Jeremy Bates should be retained as QB coach and if we can find a way to keep Dennison without putting the offense entirely on his shoulders I'd be fine with that. I'd personally be a big fan of hiring Steve Logan, the OC at Boston College, to come in here. He did some impressive things coaching up Dave Ragone and Rohan Davey in NFL Europe, has some HC experience at the collegiate level, and did excellent work with Matt Ryan for his senior year at BC. Steve Mariucci as an assistant HC - offense would be a nice pickup too, if he'd be interested.

[cartel]

Interesting choice with Steve Logan. I went to ECU while he coached there and he did do some good things but lacked the big time recruits because of the smaller school. I want some somebody who has been a coach in the NFL. Please get somebody that can run a defense and have a solid running game again. I miss an running the clock out and wearing an opposing defense down with the run when you know it's coming.

[Cool Breeze]

we need an offensive minded coach who understands he doesn't know defense well and will delegate the defensive responsibilities to an intelligent DC.

:thumbs:
Bingo! We have a winner!

[Drek]

Interesting choice with Steve Logan. I went to ECU while he coached there and he did do some good things but lacked the big time recruits because of the smaller school. I want some somebody who has been a coach in the NFL. Please get somebody that can run a defense and have a solid running game again. I miss an running the clock out and wearing an opposing defense down with the run when you know it's coming.

I wouldn't want Logan as the HC, but he's a guy who spent a stint in NFLE and has been a HC before, I get the impression from reading his resume that he'd like to be a part of the pro game, so I don't think it'd necessarily be a stretch for us to snatch him from BC as our offensive coordinator.

Basically, a staff of:
GM - Goodman
HC - Spagnuolo
OC - Logan
DC - Spagnuolo's second of choice
QBC - Bates

Would make me happy.