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Broncobuddy7
12-30-2008, 06:37 PM
I enjoyed this article. It makes me optimistic even though I'm sad Shanny is gone.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation?tag=shanahan%20fired
Bowlen will have his pick of coaches
December 30, 2008 8:31 PM
Posted by ESPN.com's Bill Williamson
"For the first time in 14 years, Pat Bowlen will be making a significant hire as the owner of the Denver Broncos.
What will he do? Whatever he wants.
Bowlen is the possessor of the greatest job in the NFL as a result of his firing of coach Mike Shanahan.
Bowlen is in a great position. He can either hire a true successor to Shanahan and bring someone who is both the coach and general manager, or he can hire a new general manager and bring in a coach with less power.
Often in the NFL, after a long string of going in one direction, owners try the opposite. Thus, Bowlen could hire a general manager and a coach. There have been rumblings around Denver recently that if there was a change, Bowlen would go that route.
However, there is the Bill Cowher factor.
Bowlen could think the team is a Cowher away from being a Super Bowl contender. Cowher certainly would give the team a new direction. It is the best job on the market, without a doubt. Jobs like this don't often open.
That could be a workable marriage that would give Denver instant juice.
If not, Bowlen could jump in the Scott Pioli sweepstakes. Pioli is the most attractive general manager available.
Pioli could then hire New England offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels. He would be a perfect fit in Denver. The team's centerpiece is quarterback Jay Cutler. McDaniels has a great reputation working with quarterbacks. That could be a fit.
Cutler is going to need a strong offensive mind to continue his development.
Other coaching possibilities could be Dallas Cowboys offensive coordinator Jason Garrett, former Baltimore Ravens coach Brian Billick, or perhaps a defense-minded coach to shore up one of the worst units in the league -- New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, Tennessee Titans defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz or San Diego Chargers defensive coordinator Ron Rivera.
Whatever decision he makes, Bowlen will have virtually the entire league at his disposal. The Denver job is the jewel of the league right now."
extralife
12-30-2008, 06:40 PM
Bill Williamson
Spider
12-30-2008, 06:41 PM
Jerry ****ing Glanville ........
AtlantaBronco
12-30-2008, 06:41 PM
Bowlen is an idiot. He fired Dan Reeves for Wade Phillips. Cowher will not be the next coach. Nobody will want to follow Shanahan.
TheDave
12-30-2008, 06:41 PM
Yipee...
Broncoman13
12-30-2008, 06:42 PM
Heck yeah it's the jewell of the league. You have arguably the best OL in football. You have a franchise QB that just set a franchise record for passing yards yet he's still not played in 3 seasons worth of games. A pair of WRs that are young and extremely talented and a set of TEs that offer a number of different options. You come in, focus on fixing the defense and turn this team into a 10 win team fairly quickly. To boot you have $30m in cap space and a ton of draft picks. Yeah, I'd say Denver is an attractive option right now!
mhgaffney
12-30-2008, 06:45 PM
Not only that -- the 2009 draft is deep in our positions of need -- with the exception of FS.
lazarus4444
12-30-2008, 06:46 PM
Yes, that is something everybody is forgetting. Who wouldn't want to coach the Broncos?? This is promising to be a very interesting couple of weeks. Personally i'd like to go the Scott Pioli route...
socalorado
12-30-2008, 06:46 PM
Heck yeah it's the jewell of the league. You have arguably the best OL in football. You have a franchise QB that just set a franchise record for passing yards yet he's still not played in 3 seasons worth of games. A pair of WRs that are young and extremely talented and a set of TEs that offer a number of different options. You come in, focus on fixing the defense and turn this team into a 10 win team fairly quickly. To boot you have $30m in cap space and a ton of draft picks. Yeah, I'd say Denver is an attractive option right now!
DEN has always been one of the top 5 most attractive coaching spots. The city. the state. the owner. The team.
I have no doubt that all of those guys are getting Bowlens cell # as we speak if they dont have it already.
Everybody needs to relax. Bowlen has all the cards right now.
mhgaffney
12-30-2008, 06:47 PM
With the right moves in free agency -- a smart coach could revive the Orange Crush in one year. It is possible.
DenverBrit
12-30-2008, 06:48 PM
Not only that -- the 2009 draft is deep in our positions of need -- with the exception of FS.
A good time to bring someone on board who knows how to evaluate defensive talent.
God knows, the last regime has made a hash of it.
Florida_Bronco
12-30-2008, 06:48 PM
I wouldn't mind poaching the Patriots, but I'm pretty happy with the Goodmans too.
eddie mac
12-30-2008, 06:49 PM
Bowlen is an idiot. He fired Dan Reeves for Wade Phillips. Cowher will not be the next coach. Nobody will want to follow Shanahan.
For sure. No-one will want a HC/GM position that's been one of the safest in the NFL over the last 14 years.:D
socalorado
12-30-2008, 06:52 PM
I would think this man has already been contacted by Bowlen.
Josh McDaniels
socalorado
12-30-2008, 06:52 PM
For sure. No-one will want a HC/GM position that's been one of the safest in the NFL over the last 14 years.:D
:rofl:
SportinOne
12-30-2008, 06:53 PM
This is true.. Yes, the Jets have a lot to offer but they also have the NYC media. No coach really wants that. Head Coach of the Denver Broncos is a prestigious title, but doesn't come with even a quarter of the pressure.
Buyers market? Sellers market? How about, it's Pat's market.. don't **** it up, Pat.
barryr
12-30-2008, 06:53 PM
The Bronco job is one that is very appealing. Shanahan coached for many years and so did Reeves, so not like Bowlen has a history of firing coaches on a whim.
I think this team does need a defensive type coach, someone who can take the defense up a notch since it was not happening with Shanahan for whatever reason.
The offense has a QB, many RB's, WR's and a good, young o-line, so that seems to be in great shape.
Oh, and the special teams just were never a strength under Shanahan either. Time to make this more a priority too.
Popps
12-30-2008, 07:00 PM
Whatever decision he makes, Bowlen will have virtually the entire league at his disposal. The Denver job is the jewel of the league right now."
Wow, I'm thrilled the outside media is looking at it this way. Works for me.
I've said I think we'll get one of our top two choices, whoever those may be. I think NY will get the other.
Lycan
12-30-2008, 07:05 PM
Make Pioli/McDaniels happen. Option #2: Jim Schwartz (But only if he can bring Haynesworth with him).
epicSocialism4tw
12-30-2008, 07:07 PM
Wow, I'm thrilled the outside media is looking at it this way. Works for me.
I've said I think we'll get one of our top two choices, whoever those may be. I think NY will get the other.
Denver and Pittsburgh are are very similar situations for a coach. Football towns with owners who are committed to winning. Cowher could get that here. Im not even sure that he would be interested at all, but the Broncos job is as high-profile as any job in the league not in Dallas. Denver is also good because you get the perks of heading a great franchise without the type of annoying media scrutiny that you would get in some places (NY, etc).
TheReverend
12-30-2008, 07:10 PM
If he hires Billick I'm gonna take up watching figure skating. That'd be less embarrassing.
Broncojef
12-30-2008, 07:10 PM
Truly an exciting time to be a Bronco fan. We went from total dispair on the comments of retaining Slowick the other night to so many mouth watering possibilities. :thumbsup:
SouthStndJunkie
12-30-2008, 07:10 PM
I do think that things were getting stale and I can see the logic for change....but I still think he deserved another year or two to keep building this team.
The defense was pathetic though and I can see why Bowlen wants to fix it first and foremost.
That is why I will not be surprised to see us hire a defensive minded head coach who hires an experienced offensive coordinator and gives him a lot of autonomy to run that side of the ball.
clint7
12-30-2008, 07:12 PM
If he hires Billick I'm gonna take up watching figure skating. That'd be less embarrassing.
I'm with you...but can it be Rugby or something other than figure skating?
I'd feel pretty good about our position if there was a Tony Dungy on the market. There isn't though.
Our position sucks. It will be worse if we try to fill the vacancy on the cheap.
Broncobuddy7
12-30-2008, 07:15 PM
This was taken from another Williamson article.
"Bowlen's reputation as a great owner, the presence of a franchise quarterback in Jay Cutler, the team's willingness to spend money and a great fan base make this an intriguing team to take over. The Broncos are very young and have a chance to be good right away. The best available coaches will look at this job."
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation?tag=shanahan%20fired
"A great fan base"... I guess he's talking about us. 8')
TheDave
12-30-2008, 07:18 PM
Make Pioli/McDaniels happen. Option #2: Jim Schwartz (But only if he can bring Haynesworth with him).
With Bowlen having to cut shanahan a $20 million check, and hire and entirely new coaching staff... we can forget about any big ticket items in FA.
GawdDamn this sucks...
Broncoman13
12-30-2008, 07:19 PM
I'd feel pretty good about our position if there was a Tony Dungy on the market. There isn't though.
Our position sucks. It will be worse if we try to fill the vacancy on the cheap.
That's the only thing that concerns me. Slowik was brought in b/c he was a cheap buddy and Pat strapped Shanny. Same with Bates. I would bet they were amongst the lowest paid in the league. The only thing that I can say that may calm us of the ugly scenario is Pat Bowlen knows the economy is tough and Bronco fans will spend their money else where if the product isn't good. That played into the decision to fire Shanny. Replacing him with someone on the cheap doesn't seem to go along with his current mindset.
Broncobuddy7
12-30-2008, 07:20 PM
With Bowlen having to cut shanahan a $20 million check, and hire and entirely new coaching staff... we can forget about any big ticket items in FA.
GawdDamn this sucks...
If/when Shanahan decides to coach again Bowlen doesn't owe him the $20 million anymore. I'm not sure if it's significantly less or not at all.
Hercules Rockefeller
12-30-2008, 07:22 PM
With Bowlen having to cut shanahan a $20 million check, and hire and entirely new coaching staff... we can forget about any big ticket items in FA.
GawdDamn this sucks...
He doesn't have to cut him a $20M check. Deduct Shanahan's new salary from that figure over 3 years and you get what Bowlen owes him. If Mike takes a deal that pays him more than $7M a season, Bowlen will owe him nothing.
nickademus
12-30-2008, 07:23 PM
Bowlen is an idiot. He fired Dan Reeves for Wade Phillips. Cowher will not be the next coach. Nobody will want to follow Shanahan.
to this day I am convinced that reeves needed to go. Hell he and Elway couldnt even sit in the same room together. If I remember right Wade was the best available option as Shannahan was still coaching oakland and the NFL wasnt the coaching carousel that it is today. In the end Bowlen got his man in Shanny and it worked out pretty damn well for us. As for Cowher not wanting to come here that is just crap this is the best available job in the NFL. Bowlen will be able to pick from the best available candidates in the league hell he will probably be able to look at some guys who are unavailable as well.
TheDave
12-30-2008, 07:23 PM
If/when Shanahan decides to coach again Bowlen doesn't owe him the $20 million anymore. I'm not sure if it's significantly less or not at all.
I thought if you were fired the $ was imediately gauranteed?
In any case i hope your right.
extralife
12-30-2008, 07:24 PM
Shanahan was in SF at the time, not Oakland.
Hercules Rockefeller
12-30-2008, 07:26 PM
I thought if you were fired the $ was imediately gauranteed?
In any case i hope your right.
It's guaranteed, but Shanahan can't double dip. He's due the $20M over the next 3 seasons that the Broncos owe him. If he doesn't take a job, Pat pays it all. If he takes a job that pays less, Pat pays the difference. If he makes more money because of the firing, Pat owes him nothing.
socalorado
12-30-2008, 07:26 PM
to this day I am convinced that reeves needed to go. Hell he and Elway couldnt even sit in the same room together. If I remember right Wade was the best available option as Shannahan was still coaching oakland and the NFL wasnt the coaching carousel that it is today. In the end Bowlen got his man in Shanny and it worked out pretty damn well for us. As for Cowher not wanting to come here that is just crap this is the best available job in the NFL. Bowlen will be able to pick from the best available candidates in the league hell he will probably be able to look at some guys who are unavailable as well.
Oh yeah! Even though Ol Jerry had to pony up and pay Jason Garret before the season, i just bet Garret is watching E!SPiN very closely right now! And he is trying to see if he could get out of his contract somehow.
And i also bet ol' Jer has already left him a text, saying "dont even think about it"
DaFace
12-30-2008, 07:27 PM
Wow, I'm thrilled the outside media is looking at it this way. Works for me.
I've said I think we'll get one of our top two choices, whoever those may be. I think NY will get the other.
Bill Williamson isn't exactly "outside media." He worked for the Denver Post for four years.
This is true.. Yes, the Jets have a lot to offer but they also have the NYC media. No coach really wants that. Head Coach of the Denver Broncos is a prestigious title, but doesn't come with even a quarter of the pressure.
Buyers market? Sellers market? How about, it's Pat's market.. don't **** it up, Pat.
The NY media are so full of themselves, coaches coach to win and get some $, not to become a rockstar, and be hounded by a thousand hacks after every loss -- what a pain.
Hercules Rockefeller
12-30-2008, 07:28 PM
Bill Williamson isn't exactly "outside media." He worked for the Denver Post for four years.
Doesn't mean he's not absolutely right.
Rohirrim
12-30-2008, 07:29 PM
The Denver jobs is the "jewel of the league." Who wants to take the Jets job? Immediately, you're up against the Pats and a resurgent Miami. Good ****ing luck. Or the Browns? cough, cough. The AFC West is ripe for picking. The offense is already built. You have a franchise QB with two WRs with massive potential, the best rookie LT anybody has seen in decades, and a fan base that spreads through eight states. All you need to do is fix the D and you're in the playoffs. Plum job.
BroncoMan4ever
12-30-2008, 07:30 PM
I would think this man has already been contacted by Bowlen.
Josh McDaniels
no way. if he is going to go the GM with power and Head Coach way, he will have to contact Pioli first. McDaniels will coach where Pioli lands.
to this day I am convinced that reeves needed to go. Hell he and Elway couldnt even sit in the same room together. If I remember right Wade was the best available option as Shannahan was still coaching oakland and the NFL wasnt the coaching carousel that it is today. In the end Bowlen got his man in Shanny and it worked out pretty damn well for us. As for Cowher not wanting to come here that is just crap this is the best available job in the NFL. Bowlen will be able to pick from the best available candidates in the league hell he will probably be able to look at some guys who are unavailable as well.
Reeves was the only guy that could have kept Elway down (and I believe did.) Elway woudl have had four rings if Reeves hadnt gotten in the way with 0% effort to get a RB (how many years did we keep Sammy Winder?) and 10% effort to get a steady D.
Broncojef
12-30-2008, 07:31 PM
Bill Williamson isn't exactly "outside media." He worked for the Denver Post for four years.
He was just as clueless working for the Post as he is now about the broncos and football in general.
bloodsunday
12-30-2008, 07:31 PM
I wouldn't mind poaching the Patriots, but I'm pretty happy with the Goodmans too.
None of the "BB Tree" has succeeded after they left. I don't think I'd do that.
BroncoMan4ever
12-30-2008, 07:32 PM
The Bronco job is one that is very appealing. Shanahan coached for many years and so did Reeves, so not like Bowlen has a history of firing coaches on a whim.
I think this team does need a defensive type coach, someone who can take the defense up a notch since it was not happening with Shanahan for whatever reason.
The offense has a QB, many RB's, WR's and a good, young o-line, so that seems to be in great shape.
Oh, and the special teams just were never a strength under Shanahan either. Time to make this more a priority too.
not necessarily. with Jay and our offense we need an offensive coach, who KNOWS he isn't a defensive guy and will delegate defensive duties to a GOOD defensive minded coordinator.
Shanahan controlled every part of that team, and at times was a little too arrogant in thinking he knew everything. this time we keep an offensive minded approach with a Head Coach, but make sure he is someone who will allow the defense to do their thing with the DC and not interfere with that.
socalorado
12-30-2008, 07:34 PM
no way. if he is going to go the GM with power and Head Coach way, he will have to contact Pioli first. McDaniels will coach where Pioli lands.
How do you know? McDaniels wants the best Head Coaching position to come along in forever, and its only if Pioli goes too!?!? BS> He'll sign that contract faster than Pioli can say "good luck".
Seamus
12-30-2008, 07:38 PM
My first look at the board after hearing about the firing of Shanny from a friend. We all liked the direction the offense was going for the team, however the D and special teams has sucked for a long time! Well the O couldn't run a screen that didn't look like a Chinese fire drill.
Anyhow, I bet that there will be some takers for this very attractive coaching job, and I hope they are defensively minded, the days of the Orange Crush have faded a long time ago! Lets see who are the teams in the playoffs this year, like last year and the year before last? Oh, teams with good defenses.
Total Defense:
Pittsburgh
Baltimore
Philadelphia
Washington (oh well)
New York
Minnesota
Tennessee
Dallas (yea, you need some O)
I am looking forward to a good pick after living through the Phillips debacle.
Garcia Bronco
12-30-2008, 07:39 PM
I gotta give props to the hack known as Burger Bill. He's talking us up.
I'm casting this name out there but don't be surprised if you hear the name of Pete Carroll come up.
summerdenver
12-30-2008, 07:44 PM
The Denver jobs is the "jewel of the league." Who wants to take the Jets job? Immediately, you're up against the Pats and a resurgent Miami. Good ****ing luck. Or the Browns? cough, cough. The AFC West is ripe for picking. The offense is already built. You have a franchise QB with two WRs with massive potential, the best rookie LT anybody has seen in decades, and a fan base that spreads through eight states. All you need to do is fix the D and you're in the playoffs. Plum job.
An oppurtunuty to up against stalwarts like Norv, Herm and the Cable guy(or whoever replaces him) has to be enticing as well.
Hercules Rockefeller
12-30-2008, 07:45 PM
I'm casting this name out there but don't be surprised if you hear the name of Pete Carroll come up.
Highly doubt Pat goes with a guy who would be on his 3rd NFL team as a HC, highly doubt Pete wants to leave SoCal.
Rohirrim
12-30-2008, 07:46 PM
I'm casting this name out there but don't be surprised if you hear the name of Pete Carroll come up.
He deserves another shot in the bigs, IMO.
TheDave
12-30-2008, 07:48 PM
Pete Carol is not leaving USC... After multiple national title he has the best gig in coaching.
ohiobronco2
12-30-2008, 07:48 PM
I wouldn't mind poaching the Patriots, but I'm pretty happy with the Goodmans too.
Well, if we do, lets hope we have more success than the NYJ, Browns and Notre Dame. :D
socalorado
12-30-2008, 07:50 PM
He deserves another shot in the bigs, IMO.
No way. Carroll already has a NFL head coaching job. HE IS FOOTBALL in Socal. The dude has the keys to the city. He can do no wrong. he has it ten times better than Shanny ever had it in DEN.
Carroll is set for life if he so chooses.
Garcia Bronco
12-30-2008, 07:51 PM
Pete Carol is not leaving USC... After multiple national title he has the best gig in coaching.
It really can't be put another way
ohiobronco2
12-30-2008, 07:52 PM
I'm casting this name out there but don't be surprised if you hear the name of Pete Carroll come up.
I was thinking Bobby Petrino or Nick Saban. :D
We could get Jim Tressel, he coaches in a crappy collegiate conference, we play in a crappy NFL division.
Hercules Rockefeller
12-30-2008, 07:52 PM
Does the NFL allow sweater vests on the sideline though?
ohiobronco2
12-30-2008, 07:53 PM
No way. Carroll already has a NFL head coaching job. HE IS FOOTBALL in Socal. The dude has the keys to the city. He can do no wrong. he has it ten times better than Shanny ever had it in DEN.
Carroll is set for life if he so chooses.
Exactly. In the NFL you must deal with the constraints of a cap to keep a solid team around. In college, Pete Carroll has his picking of Americas best.
Steve Prefontaine
12-30-2008, 07:53 PM
Denver is a dream job?
Not if going .500 while you are rebuilding the team is bad. Most teams that are rebuilding would dream of a .500 season.
ohiobronco2
12-30-2008, 07:54 PM
Does the NFL allow sweater vests on the sideline though?
God, I don't even want it in college.
Hard to disagree with his ability to coach, especially in the big game.
I think Pete would go where ever his demands might be met.
Hercules Rockefeller
12-30-2008, 08:11 PM
Hard to disagree with his ability to coach, especially in the big game.
I think Pete would go where ever his demands might be met.
He's got more talent than any team in D1 and he's won 1 Nat'l Title since he got there.
extralife
12-30-2008, 08:13 PM
Pete Carrol collects his paychecks, smiles a lot and loses to one scrub team every year before sleeping through a Rose Bowl against an outclassed team. No thanks.
God are we really talking about Pete Carrol?
lazarus4444
12-30-2008, 08:21 PM
Pete is not leaving USC, period. He LOVES it there. He is a good motivator though but he likes molding younger people into adults. I think 60minutes did a piece on him where he goes into gang territory and tries to help out kids there and stuff, they love him there.
broncosteven
12-30-2008, 08:41 PM
If he hires Billick I'm gonna take up watching figure skating. That'd be less embarrassing.
Dunno some of those falls are like losing 52-21.
colonelbeef
12-30-2008, 08:56 PM
Pete Carrol collects his paychecks, smiles a lot and loses to one scrub team every year before sleeping through a Rose Bowl against an outclassed team. No thanks.
God are we really talking about Pete Carrol?
seriously.
Pete Carroll, Marty Schottenheimer, Jim Fassel? you people suck.
Carroll isnt such a good idea. 1. In the NFL, you have a draft...in college you have recruiting...its harder to acquire talent in the NFL; 2. Carroll is an exhuberant gung-ho type of guy who resonates more with younger guys and not so much with veteran NFL players; 3. Shanahan used to wipe the floor with this dude. Id rather get someone who wasnt thoroughly mastered by the mastermind.
Broncobuddy7
12-30-2008, 09:44 PM
Cowher out of running for Jets job
"NEW YORK (AP) -- Bill Cowher is out of the running for the New York Jets' vacant coaching job.
The team planned to sit down soon with the former Super Bowl-winning coach, and Cowher had expressed interest in the job, a person familiar with the search said earlier Tuesday. But the negotiations never advanced to scheduling a formal meeting.
"After reaching out to Coach Cowher's representatives, we were informed tonight that he is not a candidate for the position," Jets spokesman Bruce Speight said Tuesday night.
Material items such as structure, money and length of contract were never discussed, according to a person familiar with the conversations who requested anonymity because the individual was not authorized to discuss the search."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/12/30/jets.ap/index.html
TheReverend
12-30-2008, 09:50 PM
Hard to disagree with his ability to coach, especially in the big game.
I think Pete would go where ever his demands might be met.
Pete Carroll is the uncle of one of my best HS friends. One year the house is covered in signed Patriots stuff. The next, empty.
Rock Chalk
12-30-2008, 09:56 PM
This is true.. Yes, the Jets have a lot to offer but they also have the NYC media. No coach really wants that. Head Coach of the Denver Broncos is a prestigious title, but doesn't come with even a quarter of the pressure.
Buyers market? Sellers market? How about, it's Pat's market.. don't **** it up, Pat.
The Jets dont have as much to offer as the Broncos as far as upside.
No real QB if Favre retires and even if Favre stays, no real QB.
Some mediocre receivers and no run game. A decent defense but one that has consistently folded down the stretch ala this year.
NY Media, shadow of the Giants, play in New Jersey.
**** that.
Denver > NY Every day of the week.
epicSocialism4tw
12-30-2008, 10:03 PM
The Jets dont have as much to offer as the Broncos as far as upside.
No real QB if Favre retires and even if Favre stays, no real QB.
Some mediocre receivers and no run game. A decent defense but one that has consistently folded down the stretch ala this year.
NY Media, shadow of the Giants, play in New Jersey.
**** that.
Denver > NY Every day of the week.
I wouldnt be surprised if Cowher had been talking to Bowlen since Sunday night.