Do we owe the Jets a draft pick for Robertson?

[Denver724]

Does anyone know what we owe the jets for Robertson? I thought the magic number was 65%. This was in the RMN this morning.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/dec/29/end-they-simply-didnt-finish/

Money matters

The Broncos' foray into free agency last offseason might influence how things go this time around.

One of their issues in the coming months will be what to do with defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson's deal. The contract he signed after being acquired in a trade with the Jets included the potential of a $17 million roster bonus, due this spring, if he played 80 percent of the team's defensive snaps.

An informal count puts Robertson somewhere around 58 to 65 percent of the defensive snaps for the season, so the roster bonus would be lower.

[hades]

Seeing as how our D could never get the oppenents offense off the field, hell, even %50 of the snaps would be a lot of playing time!

[Ray Finkle]

Does anyone know what we owe the jets for Robertson? I thought the magic number was 65%. This was in the RMN this morning.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/dec/29/end-they-simply-didnt-finish/

Money matters

The Broncos' foray into free agency last offseason might influence how things go this time around.

One of their issues in the coming months will be what to do with defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson's deal. The contract he signed after being acquired in a trade with the Jets included the potential of a $17 million roster bonus, due this spring, if he played 80 percent of the team's defensive snaps.

An informal count puts Robertson somewhere around 58 to 65 percent of the defensive snaps for the season, so the roster bonus would be lower.

I think it is a late round pick...

[Beantown Bronco]

Short answer = No, we don't owe the Jets any compensation.


The Jets may receive nothing from the Dewayne Robertson trade with the Broncos.
Robertson flunked the Broncos' physical, but the team decided he was worth the risk. If Robertson plays in less than 65 percent of the defensive plays in 2008, the Jets will not receive a 2009 pick. They will get a third-rounder if he does make 65 percent, but the Broncos eight-man rotation and Robertson's balky knee make that scenario unlikely.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_previousnews.aspx?sport=nfl&id=925

[TonyR]

I would also assume they will make him re-do his contract if he wants to stick around.

[Traveler]

According to Legwold in the RMN it hasn't been determined yet how much Robertson played:

Money matters

The Broncos' foray into free agency last offseason might influence how things go this time around.

One of their issues in the coming months will be what to do with defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson's deal. The contract he signed after being acquired in a trade with the Jets included the potential of a $17 million roster bonus, due this spring, if he played 80 percent of the team's defensive snaps.

An informal count puts Robertson somewhere around 58 to 65 percent of the defensive snaps for the season, so the roster bonus would be lower.

[Lolad]

oh boy... please i hope we don't have to give a 3rd round pick for him

[Beantown Bronco]

An informal count puts Robertson somewhere around 58 to 65 percent of the defensive snaps for the season, so the roster bonus would be lower.

Who is the moron they hired to figure this out? It's not rocket science.

I seriously doubt he got to 65%, considering he missed 1.5 games due to injury early in the season and seemed to come off the field in most "non-base" defense packages.

[Denver724]

So I guess nobody really knows. I will be pist if he played 65.5% of the snaps.

[bronco militia]

So I guess nobody really knows. .

not yet

[GarretBarnes]

oh boy... please i hope we don't have to give a 3rd round pick for him

i hope not. he was not worth it...

[DaFace]

Typically these types of conditions are about the ROUND of the pick rather than the existence of the pick itself. I can't say for sure of course, but I'd be surprised if the Jets aren't owed something, even if it's a late-round pick.

[theAPAOps5]

Typically these types of conditions are about the ROUND of the pick rather than the existence of the pick itself. I can't say for sure of course, but I'd be surprised if the Jets aren't owed something, even if it's a late-round pick.

No this condition is not about ROUND of the picks. As stated the condition is they get a PICK, which would be late round, if he plays 65% of the snaps. Thus if he played 64.99999999999% NO pick.

[DaFace]

No this condition is not about ROUND of the picks. As stated the condition is they get a PICK, which would be late round, if he plays 65% of the snaps. Thus if he played 64.99999999999% NO pick.

And you are sure of that how?

[Beantown Bronco]

And you are sure of that how?

Read the thread. There are several links to the sources.

[DaFace]

Read the thread. There are several links to the sources.

I see one source from rotoworld that mentioned the 65% number. I guess if you're convinced that rotoworld is the end all, then that's fine. Nothing I can find says they teams have ever revealed anything about the trade at all other than that it was an "undisclosed conditional 2009 draft pick" though.

[theAPAOps5]

And you are sure of that how?

Because it was in the paper and I was at Training Camp sitting right in front of shanahan at his press conference when he said it.

And you are sure that I am wrong, how?

[DaFace]

Because it was in the paper and I was at Training Camp sitting right in front of shanahan at his press conference when he said it.

And you are sure that I am wrong, how?

If that's the case, then I'm sure you're right. I'm just puzzled that no one reported it other than rotoworld. You'd think that, if Shanny had said "The trade is for a 3rd round pick, contingent on him playing 65% of snaps," that's what would have made the papers instead of "undisclosed conditional draft pick".

[theAPAOps5]

And you are sure of that how?

http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_9054630

From that article:

If Robertson plays in less than 65 percent of the defensive plays in 2008, the Broncos will not have to give the Jets a 2009 draft pick The Jets will get up to a third-round pick in the unlikely event Robertson is on the field for more than 65 percent of the plays..
The Broncos use an eight-man rotation up front so it's unlikely any defensive lineman, much less Robertson, will play two-thirds of the snaps. Elvis Dumervil was the only Broncos lineman who played 70 percent of the defensive snaps last season, but that was partly because of injuries to two other defensive ends, Ebenezer Ekuban and Jarvis Moss.




So like I said the ROUND of the PICK is not in question but rather if there is a pick involved.

[theAPAOps5]

If that's the case, then I'm sure you're right. I'm just puzzled that no one reported it other than rotoworld. You'd think that, if Shanny had said "The trade is for a 3rd round pick, contingent on him playing 65% of snaps," that's what would have made the papers instead of "undisclosed conditional draft pick".

It was in the papers, see above.

[rugbythug]

everyone Reported it 8 months ago when it happened

[Hercules Rockefeller]

So like I said the ROUND of the PICK is not in question but rather if there is a pick involved.

It's both and RotoWorld is wrong, 65% equals a 5th round pick. IIRC, he had to be up over 75% for it to be a 3rd, I think there was even a % of plays that would result in a 2nd too.

[theAPAOps5]

It's both

Good point but then again not really. If its less than 65% its a moot point. If its above then its about where the pick is. So its really either or :P

[DaFace]

It was in the papers, see above.

Fair enough - thanks. Forgive me for not blindly trusting everything I read from rotoworld.

[theAPAOps5]

Fair enough - thanks. Forgive me for not blindly trusting everything I read from rotoworld.

Rotoworld just posts tidbits from articles and links to that article. So they are actually pretty accurate. Its places like Pro-football Talk that I would not take any info from.

[theAPAOps5]

It's both and RotoWorld is wrong, 65% equals a 5th round pick. IIRC, he had to be up over 75% for it to be a 3rd, I think there was even a % of plays that would result in a 2nd too.

I am not arguing the pick round. I was pointing out that the 65% number meant pick or no. DaFace thought there was a pick no matter what. But the magic number is 65%.

[Beantown Bronco]

I see one source from rotoworld that mentioned the 65% number. I guess if you're convinced that rotoworld is the end all, then that's fine. Nothing I can find says they teams have ever revealed anything about the trade at all other than that it was an "undisclosed conditional 2009 draft pick" though.

In the rotoworld link, it links the original source which was the original denver post article that had the specifics of the trade.