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SpringStein
12-28-2008, 09:32 PM
Until Playoffs are concluded:

1 Detroit 0-16
2 St. Louis 2-14
3 Kansas City 2-14
4 Seattle 4-12
5 Cleveland 4-12
6 Cincinnati 4-11-1
7 Oakland 5-11 .520
8 Jacksonville 5-11
9 Green Bay 6-10
10 San Francisco 7-9
11 Buffalo 7-9
12 Denver 8-8
13 Washington 8-8
14 New Orleans 8-8
15 Houston 8-8
P16 San Diego 8-8
P17 New York Jets 9-7
P18 Chicago 9-7
P19 Tampa Bay 9-7
P20 Detroit (from Dallas) 9-7
P21 Arizona 9-7
P22 Philadelphia 9-6-1
P23 Minnesota 10-6
P24 New England 11-5
P25 Atlanta 11-5
P26 Miami 11-5
P27 Baltimore 11-5
P28 Philadelphia (from Carolina)
P29 Indianapolis 12-4
P30 Pittsburgh
P31 New York Giants
P32 Tennessee

Hercules Rockefeller
12-28-2008, 09:34 PM
12, 45, and 78 then

Requiem
12-28-2008, 09:36 PM
I thought it was #12, #44 and #76 -- but Herc you're probably right. Rotation or some such. Cool.

TheDave
12-28-2008, 09:37 PM
12, 45, and 78 then

With a draft this deep there is no reason we shouldn't find some serious talent at those picks.

SpringStein
12-28-2008, 09:44 PM
I think 48 will be our second rounder as we rotate to the bottom of the 8-8 teams. Unless chargers make it to the SB, then we would be 47.

Broncobiv
12-28-2008, 09:48 PM
Until Playoffs are concluded:

1 Detroit 0-16
2 St. Louis 2-14
3 Kansas City 2-14
4 Seattle 4-12
5 Cleveland 4-12
6 Cincinnati 4-11-1
7 Oakland 5-11 .520
8 Jacksonville 5-11
9 Green Bay 6-10
10 San Francisco 7-9
11 Buffalo 7-9
12 Denver 8-8
13 Washington 8-8
14 New Orleans 8-8
15 Houston 8-8
P16 San Diego 8-8
P17 New York Jets 9-7
P18 Chicago 9-7
P19 Tampa Bay 9-7
P20 Detroit (from Dallas) 9-7
P21 Arizona 9-7
P22 Philadelphia 9-6-1
P23 Minnesota 10-6
P24 New England 11-5
P25 Atlanta 11-5
P26 Miami 11-5
P27 Baltimore 11-5
P28 Philadelphia (from Carolina)
P29 Indianapolis 12-4
P30 Pittsburgh
P31 New York Giants
P32 Tennessee

Wait...I'm confused...NYJ, Chicago, TB, Dallas (pick given to DET), and NE are not playoff teams. So why are they in there with the rest of the playoff teams? Shouldn't picks 1-20 be set, with 21-32 (the playoff teams) variable?

Hercules Rockefeller
12-28-2008, 09:48 PM
Yep, I just looked, you're right.

Last year Buffalo was 7-9 too. Denver picked 12th in the 1st and and then 11th in the 2nd.

So 12th, 48th, and 79th if the Bolts lose somewhere short of the Super Bowl.

ohiobronco2
12-28-2008, 09:51 PM
Yep, I just looked, you're right.

Last year Buffalo was 7-9 too. Denver picked 12th in the 1st and and then 11th in the 2nd.

So 12th, 48th, and 79th if the Bolts lose somewhere short of the Super Bowl.

I blame NE.

SpringStein
12-28-2008, 09:57 PM
Wait...I'm confused...NYJ, Chicago, TB, Dallas (pick given to DET), and NE are not playoff teams. So why are they in there with the rest of the playoff teams? Shouldn't picks 1-20 be set, with 21-32 (the playoff teams) variable?

Taken from another site:

1) Superbowl winner is #32
2) Superbowl loser is #31
3) Group teams by record with the worst record going earliest

- first within group tiebreaker is how far the team advanced in the playoffs.
- second within group tiebreaker is opponents strength of schedule calculated on a percentage basis. Lesser competition leads to an earlier draft pick.
- third within group tiebreaker is any applicable divisional or wildcard tiebreaker. Applies to inter-conference opponents only. Finishing "behind" in the tiebreaker leads to an earlier draft pick.
- final tiebreaker is a coin flip.

In subsequent rounds each team rotates up one slot within group and the first team is bumped to the back of the bus.

Broncobiv
12-28-2008, 10:07 PM
Taken from another site:

1) Superbowl winner is #32
2) Superbowl loser is #31
3) Group teams by record with the worst record going earliest

- first within group tiebreaker is how far the team advanced in the playoffs.
[snip]
Hmm...interesting. So the only playoff spots that really matter are the 2 SB teams? So say SD loses in the AFC Championship, they would still pick at #16 in the first round? That's kinda weird...playoff seeding doesn't go by overall record, it goes by whoever wins the divisions (because wild cards could have better records but still have lower seeds). But the draft ignores playoff seeds and playoff teams, and goes simply by overall regular season record (excluding the 2 SB teams).

Does anyone else find that weird? It seems to me that the playoff teams should all be ranked within #21-32 in draft order, and let every non-playoff team have #1-20. Why possibly give a team that makes it into the AFC Championship the #16 pick (as a hypothetical example from this year)?

SoDak Bronco
12-28-2008, 10:09 PM
Can someone list our draft picks again? we don't have to give up anything for DeWayne do we?

Hercules Rockefeller
12-28-2008, 10:28 PM
Can someone list our draft picks again? we don't have to give up anything for DeWayne do we?

All their own
+5th from Seattle for Colbert
+6th or 7th from Atlanta for Foxworth

Possibly
+5th from Dallas for Holland, orignally reported as a '10 pick, but it was reported a couple weeks ago that it was this year

Shouldn't have to give up a pick for Robertson, but I'm sure we'll find out within the next week for sure.

Breaker
12-29-2008, 10:56 AM
sad thing is if we had won the Chargers gamed we would still be picking 18th overall, a mere 6 places worse.

theAPAOps5
12-29-2008, 11:00 AM
sad thing is if we had won the Chargers gamed we would still be picking 18th overall, a mere 6 places worse.

There is a huge difference btw 12 and 18.

mhgaffney
12-29-2008, 11:31 AM
So we have at least 9 -- and maybe 10 -- picks.

Kaylore
12-29-2008, 01:53 PM
At least we're the worst of the 8-8's. By losing to the Chargers we picked up 250 points of value.

Beantown Bronco
12-29-2008, 02:06 PM
sad thing is if we had won the Chargers gamed we would still be picking 18th overall, a mere 6 places worse.

nope. the Broncos would be picking 21st (assuming a loss to the Colts). That's the earliest any team can pick if they make the playoffs.

Broncobiv
12-29-2008, 03:28 PM
nope. the Broncos would be picking 21st (assuming a loss to the Colts). That's the earliest any team can pick if they make the playoffs.
Not according to what SpringStein posted in reply #9. That's what I'm confused about.

lex
12-29-2008, 03:31 PM
Not according to what SpringStein posted in reply #9. That's what I'm confused about.

I think San Diego drafts before New England unless San Diego makes it to the Super Bowl.

Hercules Rockefeller
12-29-2008, 04:00 PM
nope. the Broncos would be picking 21st (assuming a loss to the Colts). That's the earliest any team can pick if they make the playoffs.

This isn't the NBA or NHL, the 12 playoff teams are not set off in their own group.

BroncoMan4ever
12-29-2008, 04:17 PM
i say we trade back from number 12 into the 20's and get another 2nd rounder and pick up Spikes in the 1st, Shonn Greene and Chung in the 2nd.

ward63
01-18-2009, 04:34 PM
Does anybody have the updated order, besides the last three?

Ninjatime
01-18-2009, 04:57 PM
nope. the Broncos would be picking 21st (assuming a loss to the Colts). That's the earliest any team can pick if they make the playoffs.

disregard this post, it is completely wrong.

SpringStein
01-18-2009, 05:55 PM
Does anybody have the updated order, besides the last three?

It will probably be out late tonight. And yes, Chargers will be picking at #16.

SpringStein
01-18-2009, 06:10 PM
If Steelers win, this will be the order:

1 Detroit 0-16
2 St. Louis 2-14
3 Kansas City 2-14
4 Seattle 4-12
5 Cleveland 4-12
6 Cincinnati 4-11-1
7 Oakland 5-11
8 Jacksonville 5-11
9 Green Bay 6-10
10 San Francisco 7-9
11 Buffalo 7-9
12 Denver 8-8
13 Washington 8-8
14 New Orleans 8-8
15 Houston 8-8
16 San Diego 8-8
17 New York Jets 9-7
18 Chicago 9-7
19 Tampa Bay 9-7
20 Detroit (from Dallas) 9-7
21 Philadelphia 9-6-1
22 Minnesota 10-6
23 New England 11-5
24 Atlanta 11-5
25 Miami 11-5
26 Baltimore 11-5
27 Indianapolis 12-4
28 Philadelphia (from Carolina) 12-4
29 New York Giants 12-4
30 Tennessee 13-3 .
31 Arizona 9-7
32 Pittsburgh 12-4

SoCalBronco
01-18-2009, 10:03 PM
With a draft this deep there is no reason we shouldn't find some serious talent at those picks.

I'm not sure that its that deep. There were alot of studs that ended up staying for their senior years at the last second. While its true that we probably were not going to target many of them, had they left, it would have had the helpful effect of pushing down other studs to us.

ludo21
01-18-2009, 10:18 PM
there is a good chance rey rey drops to us... i like it

TheDave
01-18-2009, 10:19 PM
I'm not sure that its that deep. There were alot of studs that ended up staying for their senior years at the last second. While its true that we probably were not going to target many of them, had they left, it would have had the helpful effect of pushing down other studs to us.

Though i agree the talent pool thinned out at the end, I still believe that it is a deep draft in our areas of need. MLB, SLB, Safety (atleast through #79), and if we move to a 3-4 lots of "Tweeners" to help fill out the roster. We have the opportunity to do well here lets hope for the best. :thumbs:

SoCalBronco
01-18-2009, 11:42 PM
Though i agree the talent pool thinned out at the end, I still believe that it is a deep draft in our areas of need. MLB, SLB, Safety (atleast through #79), and if we move to a 3-4 lots of "Tweeners" to help fill out the roster. We have the opportunity to do well here lets hope for the best. :thumbs:

Among the reasons I am ticked off at this move to the 3-4 is that we had enough problems to solve and enough holes to fill in the draft already without having to worry about getting 3-4 specific types.

NFLBRONCO
01-18-2009, 11:49 PM
Among the reasons I am ticked off at this move to the 3-4 is that we had enough problems to solve and enough holes to fill in the draft already without having to worry about getting 3-4 specific types.

Denver needs to luck out and get something out of Moss and Crowder going 3-4 if not yep alot of work ahead.