attention: the sky is not falling

[tsiguy96]

this is not a playoff competitive team, and i hope this team wins this game as much as anyone. but the broncos offense looks great again, cutler is playing pretty well (minus the cross body throw)

the defense is absolutely abysmal, we knew taht going into this game. a few playmakers and a DC away from being good, and back to the top in 2009/2010.

if we win this game, we make the playoffs and get blown out by someone. it wuld be nice to make the playoffs, but the fact that this team, as bad as the defense is, is competing for a playoff spot is pretty amazing.

[SoDak Bronco]

a win would be nice against these freakin chuggers though.

[Broncobiv]

Offense is fine. Defense...that's a whole 'nother story. Focus the entire offseason on defense!

I mean, maybe the offense isn't perfect, but compared to the defense, it's immaculate.

[tsiguy96]

Offense is fine. Defense...that's a whole 'nother story. Focus the entire offseason on defense!

I mean, maybe the offense isn't perfect, but compared to the defense, it's immaculate.

yep. i just wanted to see improvement, and on D it hasnt come all year. the offense is good enough that with any sort of mediocre defense, they wuld win more games. they are a RB away from being better. slowick hasnt made a single adjustment all year long and i dont know why, he knows what doesnt work but wont do anything to fix it.

im excited for 2009, the fact shanny got this team to 8-8 is a testament to how good he is.

[frerottenextelway]

I'm not sure if you guys picked up on this, but I think we may have a few defensive issues.

[wolf754life]

this is not a playoff competitive team, and i hope this team wins this game as much as anyone. but the broncos offense looks great again, cutler is playing pretty well (minus the cross body throw)

the defense is absolutely abysmal, we knew taht going into this game. a few playmakers and a DC away from being good, and back to the top in 2009/2010.

if we win this game, we make the playoffs and get blown out by someone. it wuld be nice to make the playoffs, but the fact that this team, as bad as the defense is, is competing for a playoff spot is pretty amazing.

EPIC FAIL.................

this kind of thinking is WRONG and is what keeps us from getting better.

[ro_50]

EPIC FAIL.................

this kind of thinking is WRONG and is what keeps us from getting better.

I fully agree with your statement.

[enjolras]

This team is a LONG ways from winning a superbowl, not just in talent... but in plain old fashioned heart.

[tsiguy96]

EPIC FAIL.................

this kind of thinking is WRONG and is what keeps us from getting better.

no, it doesnt. holding every player and coach to the wall when they make ANY mistake is what stops us from getting better. have some confidence that shanny took a bad team to 8-8, give him one or two defensive playmakers and well have a real team. i hope you leave for the offseason so we dont have to listen to your BS about why everyone on teh team sucks. try cheering for the team ALWAYS instead of only selectively when they are winning.

lions went 0-16 and they have more devoted fans then you.

[frerottenextelway]

This team is a LONG ways from winning a superbowl, not just in talent... but in plain old fashioned heart.

heart doesn't win crap. the lions have heart.

[chaz]

heart doesn't win crap. the lions have heart.

the lions do have heart, which makes 0-16 harsh...but there is no way anyone will convince me we lost to KC/buffalo/oakland/etc because of talent

[wolf754life]

no, it doesnt. holding every player and coach to the wall when they make ANY mistake is what stops us from getting better. have some confidence that shanny took a bad team to 8-8, give him one or two defensive playmakers and well have a real team. i hope you leave for the offseason so we dont have to listen to your BS about why everyone on teh team sucks. try cheering for the team ALWAYS instead of only selectively when they are winning.

lions went 0-16 and they have more devoted fans then you.



if you want to sit there and hope against all hope then fine..........

I have felt like this the last 10 yrs, even when we lost the afc chipper, we were the better team and got outcoached and outplayed

its time for changes, and more and more people will realize this as the offseason goes along.

[CBF1]

no, it doesnt. holding every player and coach to the wall when they make ANY mistake is what stops us from getting better. have some confidence that shanny took a bad team to 8-8, give him one or two defensive playmakers and well have a real team. i hope you leave for the offseason so we dont have to listen to your BS about why everyone on teh team sucks. try cheering for the team ALWAYS instead of only selectively when they are winning.

lions went 0-16 and they have more devoted fans then you.

Yep... 7-9 last season, 8-8 this season, in 4 years we will be considered a good team right?

How about this smuck... Miami 1-15 last season, this year they win the flippin division at 11-5, that is what a new GM and head coach can do if you get the right one.

[tsiguy96]

so CBF1 decided to neg rep me for this. CBF1, if you died tomorrow the world would be a better place. please, think of the world.

[Meck77]

so CBF1 decided to neg rep me for this. CBF1, if you died tomorrow the world would be a better place. please, think of the world.

:rofl: Before this guy calls me out for neg repping I'm telling you all I neg repped him for crying about neg rep., ;D


Wishing death for a neg rep. Now that's just classic.

[Punisher]

2012 the sky will fall

[TonyR]

...have some confidence that shanny took a bad team to 8-8, give him one or two defensive playmakers and well have a real team.

So are the Broncos a bad team or do we just need one or two defensive playmakers? Which is it? Because it can't be both. Pick one and run with it.

And if you think this defense is one or two players away then you really haven't been paying attention.

[go_broncos]

this is not a playoff competitive team, and i hope this team wins this game as much as anyone. but the broncos offense looks great again, cutler is playing pretty well (minus the cross body throw)

the defense is absolutely abysmal, we knew taht going into this game. a few playmakers and a DC away from being good, and back to the top in 2009/2010.

if we win this game, we make the playoffs and get blown out by someone. it wuld be nice to make the playoffs, but the fact that this team, as bad as the defense is, is competing for a playoff spot is pretty amazing.

We were competing for a playoff spot as SD is unable to win close games in the beginning.

I don't think it will happen again.

[watermock]

We just need to fire Slo and have a good defensive draft that gives us a few playmakers.

[colonelbeef]

This team isn't that far away at all, the most difficult positions have been filled and filled extraordinarily well. Health at RB and a few upgrades on D is all that is required. Three solid improvements on D gives Cutler the ball 3-4 more times a game.

Getting a good MLB is like having a good closer in baseball, just one player can change the look of your whole team

[Steve Prefontaine]

Yep... 7-9 last season, 8-8 this season, in 4 years we will be considered a good team right?

How about this smuck... Miami 1-15 last season, this year they win the flippin division at 11-5, that is what a new GM and head coach can do if you get the right one.

That's your sample size? One winning season and you want to hire their coach and GM?

[colonelbeef]

That's your sample size? One winning season and you want to hire their coach and GM?

these turkeys would have been pointing to how well Mangini was doing 3 years ago for the Jets.

[TonyR]

That's your sample size? One winning season and you want to hire their coach and GM?

Not one winning season but a playoff appearance, something we haven't seen for 3 straight seasons now. And if you wouldn't want Bill Parcells running your organization for any amount of time you know NOTHING about NFL football and should probably go find somewhere else to play.

[TonyR]

these turkeys would have been pointing to how well Mangini was doing 3 years ago for the Jets.

How many playoff appearances has Mike Shanahan engineered in the last 3 seasons? How many playoff wins and division titles in the last 10 years?

[Steve Prefontaine]

Not one winning season but a playoff appearance, something we haven't seen for 3 straight seasons now. And if you wouldn't want Bill Parcells running your organization for any amount of time you know NOTHING about NFL football and should probably go find somewhere else to play.

Seriously? So now the playoffs are good enough? So if Denver won yesterday you would be praising Shanahan? Are you that fickle?

Funny the different standards that people hold for other teams.

Look at how you are acting after a .500 season with a VERY young team. Imagine if your team just went 1-15? You'd probably have a heart attack.

[tsiguy96]

Seriously? So now the playoffs are good enough? So if Denver won yesterday you would be praising Shanahan? Are you that fickle?

Funny the different standards that people hold for other teams.

Look at how you are acting after a .500 season with a VERY young team. Imagine if your team just went 1-15? You'd probably have a heart attack.

thats why i dont understnad why everyone is freaking out. all things considered, we werent doing anything in the playoffs, we have a good draft spot now, we showed a HUGE amount of promise on offense and the defense cant really get worse...next year and 2010 could be a huge year.

[tsiguy96]

you know what makes me sick? we just got done with a .500 season and now half the idiots on this site are calling for everyones head. a .500 season with a HUGE amount of young players!! bandwagon fans support the team and are so happy when they are winning but refuse to support em now that they arent.

give me a break, shanny should get coach of the year. people need to learn to support this team instead of trying to tear it apart constantly. .500 is a damn good season, and its gonna be so much better next year.

[TonyR]

Seriously? So now the playoffs are good enough? So if Denver won yesterday you would be praising Shanahan? Are you that fickle?

Funny the different standards that people hold for other teams.

Look at how you are acting after a .500 season with a VERY young team. Imagine if your team just went 1-15? You'd probably have a heart attack.

My god you're so lost! Let me try to explain as simply and succinctly as possible...

It's not about this year in a vacuum. It's about the last 10 years. We've only had 4 playoff appearances in 10 years, and only 1 playoff win in 10 years. I shouldn't have to repeat myself but I'm hoping repetition will get through to you. You can't achieve anything in this league if you don't make the playoffs. Making the playoffs means you're a competitive, better than average team. Instead we've missed the playoffs 3 straight years and 6 out of the last 10. All you Pollyannas want to believe the "we're only a couple of players away" nonsense but it's just that: nonsense. Our defense is an absolute train wreck and the people running the show have no idea what's wrong or how to fix it. That and they have shown no ability how to get good players on the defensive side of the ball. Every unit of our defense needs to be upgraded. That can't be done in one offseason without a lot of luck. Please, for the love of god, see what's right in front of you.

[tsiguy96]

My god you're so lost! Let me try to explain as simply and succinctly as possible...

It's not about this year in a vacuum. It's about the last 10 years. We've only had 4 playoff appearances in 10 years, and only 1 playoff win in 10 years. I shouldn't have to repeat myself but I'm hoping repetition will get through to you. You can't achieve anything in this league if you don't make the playoffs. Making the playoffs means you're a competitive, better than average team. Instead we've missed the playoffs 3 straight years and 6 out of the last 10. All you Pollyannas want to believe the "we're only a couple of players away" nonsense but it's just that: nonsense. Our defense is an absolute train wreck and the people running the show have no idea what's wrong or how to fix it. That and they have shown no ability how to get good players on the defensive side of the ball. Every unit of our defense needs to be upgraded. That can't be done in one offseason without a lot of luck. Please, for the love of god, see what's right in front of you.

you have 2 options: support this team, or dont support it. all this internet message board bitching wont change a thing. make your choice.

[footstepsfrom#27]

you have 2 options: support this team, or dont support it. all this internet message board b****ing wont change a thing. make your choice.
So by questioning the team's direction we're not supporting the team? That's just ridiculous.

[TonyR]

So by questioning the team's direction we're not supporting the team? That's just ridiculous.

Exactly. I DO support the team. I care. That's why I'm upset. It's you people who aren't upset who don't make any sense because you clearly don't see what's going on. Blind followership isn't for me, sorry.

[Steve Prefontaine]

My god you're so lost! Let me try to explain as simply and succinctly as possible...

It's not about this year in a vacuum. It's about the last 10 years. We've only had 4 playoff appearances in 10 years, and only 1 playoff win in 10 years. I shouldn't have to repeat myself but I'm hoping repetition will get through to you. You can't achieve anything in this league if you don't make the playoffs. Making the playoffs means you're a competitive, better than average team. Instead we've missed the playoffs 3 straight years and 6 out of the last 10. All you Pollyannas want to believe the "we're only a couple of players away" nonsense but it's just that: nonsense. Our defense is an absolute train wreck and the people running the show have no idea what's wrong or how to fix it. That and they have shown no ability how to get good players on the defensive side of the ball. Every unit of our defense needs to be upgraded. That can't be done in one offseason without a lot of luck. Please, for the love of god, see what's right in front of you.

Are you kidding? Holy sh*t dude. Talk in circles more.

I'll spell this out for you...
You gave the Dolphins as your example of a model franchise....not me. Maybe you gave a sh*tty example, and now you want to take it back, but that's your problem. As you like, let's look at the big picture...the Dolphins haven't been in the playoffs since 2001. Your example of a model franchise has now been to the playoffs 4 times in the last 10 years. The same as the Broncos. But Miami has not made it to the AFC championship game since 1991...17 years. Denver was there 3 years ago. Yes, what Miami did this year was impressive, but any team can have a one year wonder. Look at the Jets from 2 years ago.

Also, it's convenient that you cut it off your research at 10 years. Hmm. Shouldn't be look at Shanahan's entire tenure in Denver? Or would you like to specifically exclude the years that they won Super Bowls? That's convenient for your argument but...

Shanahan has been the HC in Denver for 14 years. Denver has made the playoffs in 7 of those years. They went to 3 AFC championship games and won 2 Super Bowls. Yes, the past couple years have been rough, but the team is young and the offense is set for years to come...something that seems to be lost when people discuss Denver right now. Hopefully the defensive issues will be addressed and if they are not, it's ultimately Shanahan's fault.

Do you realistically believe that the Broncos should be in the playoffs and contend for the Super Bowl every year?

[Steve Prefontaine]

Exactly. I DO support the team. I care. That's why I'm upset. It's you people who aren't upset who don't make any sense because you clearly don't see what's going on. Blind followership isn't for me, sorry.
I don't fault people for bitching or questioning at all. I just think Denver fans expect the Super Bowl every year, and it's just not realistic.

[tsiguy96]

I don't fault people for b****ing or questioning at all. I just think Denver fans expect the Super Bowl every year, and it's just not realistic.

exactly. look for progress, which is what we saw, and the most important thing: entertainment. we certainly had plenty of that, watching the offense was fun regardless of how much we were losing by.

[NFLBRONCO]

I don't fault people for b****ing or questioning at all. I just think Denver fans expect the Super Bowl every year, and it's just not realistic.


I don't remember anyone saying SB with this team in 08. Yeah we did make strides but, we also regressed on D esp. We just question moves a DC that seems lost. I think if Shanny backed off his ego and get a DC that is creative and good at pushing and can see talent all of us would back off Shanny. The simple fact is he won't so yeah I question things esp after 10 yrs.

[Broncoman13]

this is not a playoff competitive team, and i hope this team wins this game as much as anyone. but the broncos offense looks great again, cutler is playing pretty well (minus the cross body throw)

the defense is absolutely abysmal, we knew taht going into this game. a few playmakers and a DC away from being good, and back to the top in 2009/2010.

if we win this game, we make the playoffs and get blown out by someone. it wuld be nice to make the playoffs, but the fact that this team, as bad as the defense is, is competing for a playoff spot is pretty amazing.


Too bad we're not going to get that DC which is where I have a big problem. And boy howdy, I'm not the only one!!!

[Traveler]

This team is a LONG ways from winning a superbowl, not just in talent... but in plain old fashioned heart.

Better watch out. Que TJ and Kaylore ....

[TonyR]

You gave the Dolphins as your example of a model franchise...

Wrong. I gave the Dolphins and Falcons as examples of teams that turned it around in one year, and also of teams that rebuilt with new coaches.


Also, it's convenient that you cut it off your research at 10 years.

Would you like me to cut off at 5? Or 3? It gets worse, not better, if I do. Ten years is a long time. The point is what have we done since the Super Bowls? WAKE UP!


Do you realistically believe that the Broncos should be in the playoffs and contend for the Super Bowl every year?

No, of course not. And never said anything of the sort.

Please pull your head out of your backside and go read Woody Paige's article in the Denver Post today.

[oubronco]

exactly. look for progress, which is what we saw, and the most important thing: entertainment. we certainly had plenty of that, watching the offense was fun regardless of how much we were losing by.

:spit: what Defense were you watching

[Spider]

Heart ? some of you watched the Replacements and Rocky movie too many times ......the word you are looking for is confidence , confidence in themselfs , and the system ,Lacking Confidence causes second guessing , that causes hesitation ............. Heart .... :rofl:

[Steve Prefontaine]

Wrong. I gave the Dolphins and Falcons as examples of teams that turned it around in one year, and also of teams that rebuilt with new coaches.
Both these teams put together winning seasons after very dismal seasons... meaning they had higher draft picks to work with and also a (relatively) easy schedule. Many teams respond well to a new coach for a year or 2, but it's not necessarily and indicator of long term success....look at the Jets. Every team is going to have some down years. For the Broncos, 2005 was really exciting. I'm not forgetting it and I think it's a matter of time and patience before the Broncos get there again.

What I've enjoyed during Shanahan's tenure is that there is NO year where the playoffs are out of the question. You can't say that about many coaches.

I really do understand what your saying about wanting a new coach. I just don't agree. Can you deal with that?

Would you like me to cut off at 5? Or 3? It gets worse, not better, if I do. Ten years is a long time. The point is what have we done since the Super Bowls? WAKE UP!

I would rather that NOT cut it off at all. I'd rather that you look at the whole tenure. Did you not enjoy the 2 Super Bowls? Did you not enjoy the run in 2005? Just because you are pissed about this team doesn't make what they did in the past any more impressive.


Please pull your head out of your backside and go read Woody Paige's article in the Denver Post today.

I see. So if I don't agree with your or the genius football mind Woody, I have my head up my ass. Cute.

[tsiguy96]

:spit: what Defense were you watching

team improvement. we went 8-8 and almost got the afcw. the offense is fine, we have a starting running back (hillis/torain). the defense has good enough players to NOT be dead last if we had a different coordinator, especially after some moves are made this year.

[no-pseudo-fan]

If you want to look at the Dolphins, I will tell you what. The Dolphins are a long way away from being a Super Bowl Contender. They do not have a long time solution at QB, WR are average, offensive scheme is a gimmick. They have the fewest turnovers, barely any key injuries. They are a flash in the pan. Denver's offense is set to be scary for years to come, we just need a defense. How many turnovers did we cause this year? Sacks? Our defense made our offense press, because it felt it had to score every time they had the ball.

[Rohirrim]

exactly. look for progress, which is what we saw, and the most important thing: entertainment. we certainly had plenty of that, watching the offense was fun regardless of how much we were losing by.

I can see where you would enjoy the way this team is playing. You obviously have very low standards. Some of us have been watching this team for over thirty years and have seen Broncos players in the past who played with fire in their guts. Players like TD, Atwater, Elway, Mecklenburg, Fletcher, Dennis Smith, etc. etc. etc. This current crop doesn't come close. The standard has dropped around here. Precipitously.

[TonyR]

If you want to look at the Dolphins, I will tell you what. The Dolphins are a long way away from being a Super Bowl Contender.

I don't necessarily disagree, but can you argue that they're further away than we are? Clearly they're currently a better team overall and a good defense covers up a lot of problems. You can't compete in this league without a defense. You just can't.

[sirhcyennek81]

I don't necessarily disagree, but can you argue that they're further away than we are? Clearly they're currently a better team overall and a good defense covers up a lot of problems. You can't compete in this league without a defense. You just can't.


Healthy running game will do wonders for a team, wont it...


:Broncos:

[TonyR]

Healthy running game will do wonders for a team, wont it...


Get to the QB, stop the run, and run. The 3 pillars of football success. We can't do either of the 1st 2 well enough, and had too many injuries to do the 3rd.

[rugbythug]

So are the Broncos a bad team or do we just need one or two defensive playmakers? Which is it? Because it can't be both. Pick one and run with it.

And if you think this defense is one or two players away then you really haven't been paying attention.

Did you miss the Titans game last year? They went from a very good defense with Haynesworth. To a below average D with out him. Or For another case in point how about the Colts of 2 years ago. Jags Rushed for 275 yards against them with out Bob Sanders then in the Play offs with Bob Sanders Whole different Defense. SO Please tell me again how One or two players don't make a difference.