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rastaman
12-15-2008, 12:44 PM
Sooners QB to do his homework before determining football future

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3760347

By Tim Griffin

ESPN.com

Updated: December 10, 2008, 3:26 PM ET

Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford told an Oklahoma newspaper that he will consider all options before making a decision whether to declare for the NFL draft.

Bradford's announcement comes only a few days after he led the Sooners to the Big 12 championship and a berth in the Jan. 8 FedEx BCS National Championship Game in Miami against Florida.

Bradford said he and his father, Kent, a former Oklahoma offensive lineman in the 1970s, plan to consult with NFL coaches, general managers and scouts to glean as much information as possible before deciding whether to return to the Sooners next season.

"It's going to be a process," Bradford told the Oklahoman of Oklahoma City. "Even if I think I know what I want to do right now, there's kind of a need to get as much information as possible so that looking back on this decision years down the road, you don't regret anything because you didn't go after the information needed to make the right decision."

Bradford, a redshirt sophomore, has two years of eligibility remaining if he decides to return. He led the nation with 48 touchdowns passes and in passing efficiency while throwing for a school-record 4,464 yards for the 12-1 Sooners this season.

Underclassmen must declare for the NFL draft by Jan. 15.

Tim Griffin covers college football for ESPN.com. You may reach him at espntimgriff@yahoo.com.

gyldenlove
12-15-2008, 12:51 PM
I think he should return for another year.

In general QBs who come out with 3 or more years of starting experience do better than QBs who come out with 2 or fewers years. So in the long term he will probably be better off taking another year, getting more experience and tuning his game.

The only real risk he runs by returning is injury, since he has 2 years of eligibility left, even if the team plays poorly next year he can return for his senior year and raise his stock again.

With the QB class this year looking pretty weak, he may end up being drafted higher than he should be, but he will probably then end up like Alex Smith, Jamarcus Russell or David Carr, being bludgeoned to crap and never getting that second big contract. If he declares in a strong year, he may end up like Cutler or Rivers or Roethlisberger or Flacco on a strong team where he can grow into a star player.

rugbythug
12-15-2008, 12:57 PM
If he thinks he can go top 3 He should come out. New CBA will mean Rookie slotting. This is the last year he can get big cash. out the gate. Screw the whole better player deal.

Bronco LB 59
12-15-2008, 01:01 PM
No. His arm is nothing special. He's benefitted from the likes of Duke Robinson and Phil Loadholt giving him a nice pocket to throw from. He has a great group of skill position players (Iglesias, Grisham, Murray) that have done a lot of damage after they touch the ball.

Traveler
12-15-2008, 01:04 PM
If they win the NC, he's coming out. What would he have left to prove. The coming rookie salary-cap will have more kids than ever coming out early in 2009-10

s0phr0syne
12-15-2008, 01:11 PM
From a business point of view, it doesn't make much sense for him to play another year at OU. Bradford is a great player and he's had a great season, but most of his success was predicated on his supporting cast--he had a dominant Offensive Line ahead of him that is composed mostly of upperclassmen, at least 3 or 4 of which will go in the draft this year, a dominant junior TE in Gresham who will probably declare, and great receiving corps with Chaney and Iglesias probably declaring this year as well. Demarco Murray might also be leaving for the NFL this year, although he's one guy I think should definitely play another year of college ball to improve his stock.

Bradford's still developing as a quarterback, but the amount of money he stands to lose by coming back is too much. Hell, he's probably still got a lot of physical development ahead of him as well. Hopefully whatever team drafts him will have the patience to let him sit for at least 1 year, if not 2.

SoonerBronco
12-15-2008, 01:12 PM
No. His arm is nothing special. He's benefitted from the likes of Duke Robinson and Phil Loadholt giving him a nice pocket to throw from. He has a great group of skill position players (Iglesias, Grisham, Murray) that have done a lot of damage after they touch the ball.


Again, how many games have you watched out in CA? I love how everyone says he has a rag arm. You're not going to be projected a top 10 pick as a QB if your arm is "nothing special"...

If Bradford was not running this offense and giving these other skill players (Gresham, BTW, not Grisham) opportunities, then they would not be scoring like they do. Bradford has a dynamic arm. They guy can hit every type of throw WITH accuracy.

I swear the hate on this board and the fickle attitudes for everything INCLUDING the Broncos is sickening.

epicSocialism4tw
12-15-2008, 01:16 PM
Again, how many games have you watched out in CA? I love how everyone says he has a rag arm. You're not going to be projected a top 10 pick as a QB if your arm is "nothing special"...

I swear the hate on this board and the fickle attitudes for everything INCLUDING the Broncos is sickening.

Chalking Bradford's success up to a good supporting cast is silly. Those folks obviously didnt catch many Sooners games this season while the OL was committing tons of stupid penalties and his receivers dropped tons of perfect passes.

His top two pass catchers both had the dropsies all year: Manuel Johnson (because of his elbow) and Gresham.

He was just about this good last season as a freshman.

The guy makes reads in a flash, delivers a screaming ball in stride, and can make every throw on the field. He's athletic, smart, clutch, and everything else you would want in a QB.

Kiper calls him the next Peyton Manning.

BroncoMan4ever
12-15-2008, 01:29 PM
i think if he wants money, he has to come out now. He will be a top 5 pick more than likely, and this is going to be the last guaranteed year of getting a huge rookie contract with the CBA crap hitting the following season.

Traveler
12-15-2008, 01:31 PM
Kiper calls him the next Peyton Manning.

OMG! The kiss of death. He might as well come back to OU. Notice how Tebow isn't mentioned as one of the top QB's coming out?

epicSocialism4tw
12-15-2008, 01:35 PM
OMG! The kiss of death. He might as well come back to OU. Notice how Tebow isn't mentioned as one of the top QB's coming out?

That's because he wont be a QB in the pros.

400HZ
12-15-2008, 02:04 PM
That's because he wont be a QB in the pros.

According to some.

TheChamp24
12-15-2008, 02:37 PM
I love how people rag on Bradford and think he doesn't have the arm for the NFL.
Guy has amazing accuracy and a decent arm. Is it like Cutler's? No, but it its an NFL arm.
He generally doesn't force anything and has great poise.

Pick Six
12-15-2008, 03:31 PM
That depends on whether he wants to play for Detroit. On a positive note, he would always be playing football on Thanksgiving...:thumbsup:

rovolution
12-15-2008, 03:50 PM
Kiper calls him the next Peyton Manning.

Kiper called Cutler the next Jeff George and said there would be a high likelyhood he would be a bust while praising Leinart and Young as future HOFers...

NFLBRONCO
12-15-2008, 04:00 PM
Next Peyton and a Detriot Lion= Stay in School

Bronco LB 59
12-15-2008, 04:12 PM
Again, how many games have you watched out in CA? I love how everyone says he has a rag arm. You're not going to be projected a top 10 pick as a QB if your arm is "nothing special"...

If Bradford was not running this offense and giving these other skill players (Gresham, BTW, not Grisham) opportunities, then they would not be scoring like they do. Bradford has a dynamic arm. They guy can hit every type of throw WITH accuracy.

I swear the hate on this board and the fickle attitudes for everything INCLUDING the Broncos is sickening.

This is coming from an Oklahoma homer, somebody who can't make a college football opinion on here unless it involves the Sooners.

I lived in Big XII country for half of the season so I have seen a handful of Bradford's games. Bradford is a good athlete and he does have great touch, but he still has an average arm for NFL standards. Tools wise, Matt Stafford of Georgia blows him away.

I still think Bradford worthy of first round consideration, but he's not a slam dunk franchise QB. Just an opinion. None of the NFL-eligible QBs this year strike me as a sure-fire franchise type including Stafford.

Bronco LB 59
12-15-2008, 04:27 PM
I love how people rag on Bradford and think he doesn't have the arm for the NFL.
Guy has amazing accuracy and a decent arm. Is it like Cutler's? No, but it its an NFL arm.
He generally doesn't force anything and has great poise.

Look what we have here, another guy with a Bradford man crush who happens to live in Norman.

Bronco LB 59
12-15-2008, 04:29 PM
That depends on whether he wants to play for Detroit. On a positive note, he would always be playing football on Thanksgiving...:thumbsup:

If a QB gets taken by Detroit, it's going to be Stafford.

epicSocialism4tw
12-15-2008, 07:39 PM
This is coming from an Oklahoma homer, somebody who can't make a college football opinion on here unless it involves the Sooners.

I lived in Big XII country for half of the season so I have seen a handful of Bradford's games. Bradford is a good athlete and he does have great touch, but he still has an average arm for NFL standards. Tools wise, Matt Stafford of Georgia blows him away.

I still think Bradford worthy of first round consideration, but he's not a slam dunk franchise QB. Just an opinion. None of the NFL-eligible QBs this year strike me as a sure-fire franchise type including Stafford.


And in you we have a Tebow apologizing SEC shill.

You shouldnt throw stones from your glass house,

Jens1893
12-15-2008, 07:53 PM
Chalking Bradford's success up to a good supporting cast is silly. Those folks obviously didnt catch many Sooners games this season while the OL was committing tons of stupid penalties and his receivers dropped tons of perfect passes.

His top two pass catchers both had the dropsies all year: Manuel Johnson (because of his elbow) and Gresham.

He was just about this good last season as a freshman.

The guy makes reads in a flash, delivers a screaming ball in stride, and can make every throw on the field. He's athletic, smart, clutch, and everything else you would want in a QB.

Kiper calls him the next Peyton Manning.

If anything, I think this proves Bradford is going to be a monumental bust. I think the days in which you could use Kiper to validate your opinion are over.

epicSocialism4tw
12-15-2008, 08:00 PM
If anything, I think this proves Bradford is going to be a monumental bust. I think the days in which you could use Kiper to validate your opinion are over.

Who said that I used him to validate an opinion?

I used his observation to illustrate what Bradford is in the context of players more familiar to those here who might not be aware of what Bradford is. I know what Bradford is, along with the other Sooners fans who have seen him play a majority of the games over the past two seasons.

Some people have only seen a few highlights and could benefit from a broader-based understanding, as is evidenced by the guy who said that Bradford was a product of his complement.

s0phr0syne
12-15-2008, 08:05 PM
I'm an OU grad and fan, and I'm STILL skeptical about Bradford. He's good, and has great potential, but when he goes high in the draft this year, it'll be to a team that is desperate. If they start him right away, I think his NFL career will be over within 3 years. If he gets to develop on the bench, he has a great chance of becoming the next Philip Rivers (in terms of production, not in terms of being a compelte d!&k). He's got better throwing mechanics than Rivers (I think), and he shows the same accuracy and touch. He's also not stupid (like Rivers, who unfortunately is an intelligent guy).

SoonerBronco
12-15-2008, 08:35 PM
This is coming from an Oklahoma homer, somebody who can't make a college football opinion on here unless it involves the Sooners.

I lived in Big XII country for half of the season so I have seen a handful of Bradford's games. Bradford is a good athlete and he does have great touch, but he still has an average arm for NFL standards. Tools wise, Matt Stafford of Georgia blows him away.

I still think Bradford worthy of first round consideration, but he's not a slam dunk franchise QB. Just an opinion. None of the NFL-eligible QBs this year strike me as a sure-fire franchise type including Stafford.

Stafford arguably has as much talent around him as Bradford. Tools wise, Jeff George was the greatest QB that ever lived...

Tools alone will not make you a great QB.

Homer I may be, but it doesn't mean I don't have opinions on other faucets of college football. I usually only chime in to refute shallow opinions on the Sooners.

BroncoMan4ever
12-15-2008, 10:27 PM
I love how people rag on Bradford and think he doesn't have the arm for the NFL.
Guy has amazing accuracy and a decent arm. Is it like Cutler's? No, but it its an NFL arm.
He generally doesn't force anything and has great poise.

He's this years Matt Ryan. Solid QB, not a lot of great talents, but a solid QB.

BroncoMan4ever
12-15-2008, 10:28 PM
OMG! The kiss of death. He might as well come back to OU. Notice how Tebow isn't mentioned as one of the top QB's coming out?

Definitley the kiss of death. that's how to tell which QB will be good, which QB does Kiper not like will become the pro bowler.

footstepsfrom#27
12-15-2008, 10:50 PM
I hope he stays so the Chiefs have no shot at him.

Rocky Mountain Stampede
01-14-2009, 01:59 PM
Bradford expected to announce return to Sooners

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=506994

Posted: January 14, 2009
Sporting News staff reports




The Oklahoma football program has scheduled a press conference for 5:30 p.m. ET today. It is expected to be about whether quarterback Sam Bradford will return for another season or enter the NFL draft.

ESPN is reporting that Bradford will return to Oklahoma for his junior season.
Coach Bob Stoops said at the American Football Coaches Association convention this week that he had a feeling about which way Bradford would go, but he wouldn't share his intuition.

Offensive tackle Trent Williams, who said Wednesday that he would return to the Sooners next season, told ESPN he believes Bradford will return.
"My gut feeling is that Sam is coming back," said Williams, who spoke with Bradford. "The entire state may be very happy."

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Archer81
01-14-2009, 02:02 PM
I'd say no. Stay in school, refine your game.


:Broncos:

Rocky Mountain Stampede
01-14-2009, 02:02 PM
I think Bradford is making the right decision. Most of the stud QBs in the league (Peyton, Brady, Brees, McNabb, Cutler, Rivers, Eli, Favre, Palmer, Ryan, Flacco, Warner, Romo) stayed until their senior year. Big Ben is the one exception that stands out.

Bradford makes some incredible NFL caliber throws on the money, but he doesn't have all-world tools so another year in school will only help his cause.

Pick Six
01-14-2009, 02:03 PM
Bradford expected to announce return to Sooners

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=506994

Posted: January 14, 2009
Sporting News staff reports




The Oklahoma football program has scheduled a press conference for 5:30 p.m. ET today. It is expected to be about whether quarterback Sam Bradford will return for another season or enter the NFL draft.

ESPN is reporting that Bradford will return to Oklahoma for his junior season.
Coach Bob Stoops said at the American Football Coaches Association convention this week that he had a feeling about which way Bradford would go, but he wouldn't share his intuition.

Offensive tackle Trent Williams, who said Wednesday that he would return to the Sooners next season, told ESPN he believes Bradford will return.
"My gut feeling is that Sam is coming back," said Williams, who spoke with Bradford. "The entire state may be very happy."

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That's probably the best thing to do. Let Bradford and Tebow fight it out next year over who is drafted first...

no-pseudo-fan
01-14-2009, 02:05 PM
In short, yes. If he knows that he will be drafted early, he needs to go now. You never know what might happen in a year. Best O linemen leave for the draft, he gets hurt in a freak Disco accident. You have to strike when the iron is hot.

BroncoBuff
01-14-2009, 02:13 PM
We want him to declare ... because like Michael Crabtree, Bradford coming out pushes Rey-Rey or Raji one step down closer to #12.

Rocky Mountain Stampede
01-14-2009, 02:14 PM
We want him to declare ... because like Michael Crabtree, Bradford coming out pushes Rey-Rey or Raji one step down closer to #12.

No, we don't. Bradford coming out increases the likelihood the Lions take him, and Matt Stafford falls to the Chiefs at #3. We don't want that.

WolfpackGuy
01-14-2009, 02:15 PM
He should stay in school and workout.
He's like a toothpick.

lex
01-14-2009, 02:18 PM
He should come out...of the closet. But really, he should come out. That would be one more player possibly available to us should some team in the top 11 take him.

BroncoBuff
01-14-2009, 02:20 PM
No, we don't. Bradford coming out increases the likelihood the Lions take him, and Matt Stafford falls to the Chiefs at #3. We don't want that.
I don't care about the chefs ... I care about us and want Maualuga and Raji one spot closer to 12.

400HZ
01-14-2009, 02:28 PM
This is a great move by Bradford if it's true. There is no way that he would succeed in the NFL next year, and there is probably no way that he'd pass Stafford in this years draft.

PRBronco
01-14-2009, 02:29 PM
I don't care about the chefs ... I care about us and want Maualuga and Raji one spot closer to 12.

I don't think we have to worry about Rey Rey being gone. If Spikes was in teh draft I might be so bold as to say Rey would drop into the 20s. But that's just me :peace:

epicSocialism4tw
01-14-2009, 10:52 PM
Bradford could easily have been a top five pick in the upcoming draft, and I thought that he would take the bait and go.

But Sam's one of those kids who grew up dreaming of wearing the Crimson and Cream. He is probably enjoying himself quite well at OU.

He had an outstanding year and has the potential to be the Peyton Manning of college football...having garnered gaudy, nearly incomparable statistics.

It looks like Gresham, Broyles, McCoy, and Trent Williams will be back as well as most of the defense. If DeMarco Murray returns, the Sooners could again be contenders for the title.

NFLBRONCO
01-14-2009, 10:54 PM
What other big names that could be top 12 picks that still haven't decided we need 2 more.