matt prater....

[tsiguy96]

and to think we all thought we had the kicker problem solved....how many get out of shannys doghouse free cards does he get until hes replaced?

[CBF1]

Kicker is the least of our worries pal... I think Defense and a workhorse RB are way more important.

[Spider]

Prater = All freaking pro .........

[tsiguy96]

Kicker is the least of our worries pal... I think Defense and a workhorse RB are way more important.

hes 4-10 from 40-49 yards

that IS a problem. denver never has a good defense, whats the point of hoping they get one sometime?

[Br0nc0Buster]

he is not good.
The only thing he does well is kick offs.

But we should take a late round flyer on someone in the draft.
At the very least bring in some competetion for him

[SouthStndJunkie]

I was not a fan of getting rid of Elam at all.

Elam's 27/29 (93.1%) looks pretty damn good right now.

Prater's 22/30 (73.3%) is one of the worst in the NFL.

[bpc]

He started the season without a miss. Naturally his stats are going to balance out. I still think hes doing fine. The miss sucked but that wasn't what lost us the game.

[go_broncos]

I miss Jason Elam.

prater is horrible.

He will be unemployed after this season.

[go_broncos]

He started the season without a miss. Naturally his stats are going to balance out. I still think hes doing fine. The miss sucked but that wasn't what lost us the game.

At that point, we need 3 points..It would have been huge.

[tsiguy96]

He started the season without a miss. Naturally his stats are going to balance out. I still think hes doing fine. The miss sucked but that wasn't what lost us the game.

so its ok if our kicker keeps missing because it didnt cost us the game?

hes not doing fine, if you think he is, you are an idiot, its that simple.

[SouthStndJunkie]

He started the season without a miss. Naturally his stats are going to balance out. I still think hes doing fine. The miss sucked but that wasn't what lost us the game.

His 73.3% success rate is amongst the worst for starting kickers in the NFL.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Elam was under 75% as a rookie, guess the Broncos should have cut him too.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Prater has missed at least 1 FG in 6 out of the last 7 games.

[Bronx33]

Prater is young still hes still learning it's not like hes costing us big games we have slowik for that and if you all remember elam wasn't perfect his first few seasons. ( patience) hes going to gel with the rest of the team down the road.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Elam was under 75% as a rookie, guess the Broncos should have cut him too.

Prater was a rookie last year and got cut by Atlanta.

I am not saying we should cut him....but he has got to start making more than he misses like he has the last 7 games.

[razorwire77]

He was good early in the season, but has hit a mental block. Kickers can be mentally fragile, and sometimes they never recover. He'll either close the season strong, or it's another thing to address in the off-season. Hopefully, it doesn't cost us a close game with Buffalo, Sandy Eggo, or in the playoffs.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Elam was under 75% as a rookie, guess the Broncos should have cut him too.

For every Elam that was under 75% as a rookie there are dozens of other selling cell phones and not kicking on Sundays.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Prater was a rookie last year and got cut by Atlanta.

I am not saying we should cut him....but he has got to start making more than he missed lately.

That's great, 1 year difference. Tell me again, was he a full-time kicker in the NFL last year? Wait he wasn't, so even though he's not technically a rookie, he still is one. Just like Ryan Harris is pretty much a rookie since he rarely played last year.

BTW, Elam's 2nd year % was an awesome 81.1%.

[SouthStndJunkie]

That's great, 1 year difference. Tell me again, was he a full-time kicker in the NFL last year? Wait he wasn't, so even though he's not technically a rookie, he still is one. Just like Ryan Harris is pretty much a rookie since he rarely played last year.

BTW, Elam's 2nd year % was an awesome 81.1%.

Why was Prater not a full time kicker last year....because he missed a few FGs and Atlanta cut him.

I don't care what Jason Elam did in his 2nd year, I care about what Prater is doing right now.

I am all for keeping him into next year and seeing what he can do....but right now he is a head case.

[Bronco LB 59]

One of these days, Prater will nail a record 70 yard FG to win a game for Denver. He will get a key to the city and he won't pay for a meal around town for awhile.

On the flip side of that, Prater is just as likely to shank a last second 20 yard field goal and become the most hated man in Colorado.

[Bronx33]

I don't care what Jason Elam did in his 2nd year, I care about what Prater is doing right now.

I am all for keeping him into next year and seeing what he can do....but right now he is a head case.


I personally think prater has potential and merely need some time to develope.

[~Crash~]

I was not a fan of getting rid of Elam at all.

Elam's 27/29 (93.1%) looks pretty damn good right now.

Prater's 22/30 (73.3%) is one of the worst in the NFL.

go look at elams rookie numbers they are not all that good a lot of guys suck kicking rookie years then get better with off season .

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I personally think prater has potential and merely need some time to develope.

No, if they don't step on the field right away and dominate they should always be cut or hopefully traded for a late round pick because you can never have enough picks. Why should anyone be given any time to develop anymore? Especially when Klis has already said the organization is targeting 2010 as the year they'll be Super Bowl contenders.

[bpc]

Thank god Herc is here to drop knowledge.

The guy has a powerful leg and has been a little bit streaky. I've seen enough to give him another season barring him completely flaming out down the stretch. I was disappointed with his miss but it was a yd outside.

We lost by 20 pts in case people weren't paying attention.

[SouthStndJunkie]

go look at elams rookie numbers they are not all that good a lot of guys suck kicking rookie years then get better with off season .

Again....I don't care what Jason Elam did back in back in 1993.

I care about what Prater is doing right now....and he has missed 7 FGs in the last 7 games.

[Bronx33]

No, if they don't step on the field right away and dominate they should always be cut or hopefully traded for a late round pick because you can never have enough picks. Why should anyone be given any time to develop anymore? Especially when Klis has already said the organization is targeting 2010 as the year they'll be Super Bowl contenders.


Love the sarcasm herc and iam wit ya dog.

[~Crash~]

people need not worry hell coach will probably not be any more patient then these yayhoos....

[SouthStndJunkie]

Like I said, I am all for keeping Prater into next year, but he has to start making more than he is now, or Shanny will kick him to the curb.

[bpc]

No, if they don't step on the field right away and dominate they should always be cut or hopefully traded for a late round pick because you can never have enough picks. Why should anyone be given any time to develop anymore? Especially when Klis has already said the organization is targeting 2010 as the year they'll be Super Bowl contenders.

Interested note, link to the Klis article?

[~Crash~]

Again....I don't care what Jason Elam did back in back in 1993.

I care about what Prater is doing right now....and he has missed 7 FGs in the last 7 games.


you are saying you want spilled milk back in you glass ... Elam was great this team is ready to to be great about the time elam will be talk of play for his 3rd team and a stop gap .why not try to think about the further and think positive instead of tearing down .

[tsiguy96]

since when do kickers have to develop? they have one job, and they can either do it consistently or they cant. its the same job they had in college and in high school, it never changes. put teh damn ball between the uprights.

[JCMElway]

We'll bring in someone in the offseason and Prater will have to kick for his job. If he can gain any consistency he'll be a good kicker for us for years to come. If not, no big loss. We'll probably snag a kicker in the 7th round.

[Bronx33]

since when do kickers have to develop? they have one job, and they can either do it consistently or they cant. its the same job they had in college and in high school, it never changes. put teh damn ball between the uprights.



huh? does this really need explaining?

[SouthStndJunkie]

you are saying you want spilled milk back in you glass ... Elam was great this team is ready to to be great about the time elam will be talk of play for his 3rd team and a stop gap .why not try to think about the further and think positive instead of tearing down .

Please translate this garble for me.

These are big boys, they can take the criticism.

Besides, you were all over Cutler a month or so ago.

[CBF1]

he is not good.
The only thing he does well is kick offs.

But we should take a late round flyer on someone in the draft.
At the very least bring in some competetion for him


There is the problem.... Using a "flyer" gets us the garbage we now have. use a little better pick and hope you have the next "Elam", Someone for the next 10-15 years

[PaintballCLE]

hes 4-10 from 40-49 yards

that IS a problem. denver never has a good defense, whats the point of hoping they get one sometime?

and perfect outside of 50+ so take a penalty or two then kick it!

[DeusExManning]

he is not good.
The only thing he does well is kick offs.

But we should take a late round flyer on someone in the draft.
At the very least bring in some competetion for him

We should cut him this week and sign someone else.

[slyinky]

We'll bring in someone in the offseason and Prater will have to kick for his job. If he can gain any consistency he'll be a good kicker for us for years to come. If not, no big loss. We'll probably snag a kicker in the 7th round.
Considering that he is 12/12 since joining the Saints mid season, I doubt Garrett Hartley will be available to bring in.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Interested note, link to the Klis article?

http://www.denverpost.com/broncosmailbag/ci_10593058

But Little, who's about to turn 34, runs counter to the Broncos' overall plan. You're right about this year: The Broncos can't go all the way with this defense. But because their overall roster is so young, the front office will remain mindful staying in position to make a serious Super Bowl run by 2010. I'd rather the Broncos continue to invest playing time in Moss and Tim Crowder than hinder their development by bringing in a veteran.

So I was a little off, by 2010 instead of targeting 2010.

[houghtam]

Cutler throws an interception in every game. Let's cut him, too.

I really wish Prater had made that kick so we only would have lost by 17.

[tsiguy96]

Cutler throws an interception in every game. Let's cut him, too.

I really wish Prater had made that kick so we only would have lost by 17.

youre really comparing jay cutler to matt prater?

prater is 4-10 from 40-49 yards. i gaurantee no other kicker in the NFL is taht bad, and he has one of the lowest kicking percentages in the league. the difference between cutler and prater is prater messes up over half of his chances. if cutler messed up half of his chances, or was one of teh worst in the league, we would want him cut.

[Missouribronc]

Makes some great kicks, misses some bad ones...

Love to have Elam back...

But...

He'll do. He didn't cost this team this game.

[Bronx33]

youre really comparing jay cutler to matt prater?

prater is 4-10 from 40-49 yards. i gaurantee no other kicker in the NFL is taht bad, and he has one of the lowest kicking percentages in the league. the difference between cutler and prater is prater messes up over half of his chances. if cutler messed up half of his chances, or was one of teh worst in the league, we would want him cut.



Your completely missing his analogy.

[tsiguy96]

Your completely missing his analogy.

no, im not. hes comparing a grape to a watermelon. you cannot compare a kicker whos one of the worst in the league and not seeming to improve (the opposite actually) to a quarterback whos being asked to carry the entire team on his back.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Here is an interesting stat:

Prater in college: 50/74 in FGs....67.6% career college percentage.

Prater in the NFL: 23/34 in FGs....67.6% career NFL percentage.

67.6% might cut it in college, but in the NFL it does not.

Let's hope he finishes strong this year.

[Tombstone RJ]

Here is an interesting stat:

Prater in college: 50/74 in FGs....67.6% career college percentage.

Prater in the NFL: 23/34 in FGs....67.6% career NFL percentage.

67.6% might cut it in college, but in the NFL it does not.

Let's hope he finishes strong this year.

with the longer nfl season, Prater can still redeem himself.

[tsiguy96]

the other thing about his miss today, would have made the score 13-17 and after kickoff likely gave the panthers a longer field....

[ZONA]

At that point, we need 3 points..It would have been huge.

It would not have been huge. It would have been 3 points when we needed 20+. He missed a 50 yard FG on the road by inches. Get off the guys back already.

[Fusionfrontman]

I like Prater, but I think its mental right now. He knows he is sucking it up between 40-50, so everytime he goes out there in that range its in his head.
He'll get it straightened out.

But like someone said, kickers have 1 job, literally 1 thing they have to do...why should they need time to develop? Are you talking physically or mentally?

[SouthStndJunkie]

It would not have been huge. It would have been 3 points when we needed 20+. He missed a 50 yard FG on the road by inches. Get off the guys back already.

The miss today in itself is not that big of a deal....but 7 misses in the last 7 games is.

[LongDongJohnson]

the other thing about his miss today, would have made the score 13-17 and after kickoff likely gave the panthers a longer field....

would of made the score 27-13

i dont know what game you were watching.

[BigPlayShay]

Selvin's fumble had a 1,000 times more negative impact than Prater's miss.

[~Crash~]

Please translate this garble for me.

These are big boys, they can take the criticism.

Besides, you were all over Cutler a month or so ago.

nope I was not and you keep trying the I was all over Cutler and I keep telling you show me ? I was never all over Cutler I said if you are going to brag step up thats it if that is all over Cutler boy his skin is mighty thin.:welcome:

[SouthStndJunkie]

nope I was not and you keep trying the I was all over Cutler and I keep telling you show me ? I was never all over Cutler I said if you are going to brag step up thats it if that is all over Cutler boy his skin is mighty thin.:welcome:

Still having a hard time deciphering your gibberish.

Take your time and post in coherent sentences, please. Seriously, I am not a grammar nazi, but those sentences make little sense, not to mention your blatant disregard for punctuation.

I don't have to look up your posts, I remember them well and so should you.

I am sure Matt Prater will sleep well despite my critique of his 7 game slump.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Selvin's fumble had a 1,000 times more negative impact than Prater's miss.

Yes it did, but this is a Matt Prater thread.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Crash....does this concern you at all?

Prater in college: 50/74 in FGs....67.6% career college percentage.

Prater in the NFL: 23/34 in FGs....67.6% career NFL percentage.

[tsiguy96]

would of made the score 27-13

i dont know what game you were watching.

ooops youre right :D

but still, the field position hurt equally bad.

[watermock]

He's the least of problems.

I WISH we could blame the loss on him, this team is just plain BAD in several areas that will take alot more than replcing the kicker. We lost by a mercifull 20, not 3.

[~Crash~]

I am the type that as long as the player is is trying and not walking around talking crap and is falling about were most start out I will give them a chance and try to build them up. the thing is all the bitching in the world don't change a damn thing now does it . You been wining about a damn kicker who gives a flying **** about a damn kicker /;

Now ask me how I think we should win a game like dominate with a kick ass MLB'er not some pussy ass Kicker who cares in the end he will be damn good next year or gone.

[~Crash~]

Still having a hard time deciphering your gibberish.

Take your time and post in coherent sentences, please. Seriously, I am not a grammar nazi, but those sentences make little sense, not to mention your blatant disregard for punctuation.

I don't have to look up your posts, I remember them well and so should you.

I am sure Matt Prater will sleep well despite my critique of his 7 game slump.


I could give a ****ing rats ass !!!!!!!!!!11

[broncocalijohn]

Prater is young still hes still learning it's not like hes costing us big games we have slowik for that and if you all remember elam wasn't perfect his first few seasons. ( patience) hes going to gel with the rest of the team down the road.

Elam cost us the Raiders game his rookie season which lead to us going back to LA for the wild card game (and giving the Chiefs the division win). Just think if the Mane was around then.

[BroncoBuff]

Crash....does this concern you at all?

Prater in college: 50/74 in FGs....67.6% career college percentage.

Prater in the NFL: 23/34 in FGs....67.6% career NFL percentage.
Actually, Prater made some core fundamental changes to his kicking this last off-season ... he had his first kicking coach ever supposedly. One of the fundamentals they changed was to stop him watching the ball being snapped and focus his eyes on the placement spot only.

I dunno, I still have hope for Prater ... people don't talk about his kickoffs much around here, but they fly consistently inside the 5-yard line. And fortunately his FG misses have come in games we had no chance to win, hence they don't hurt as much. Like Dong said, his miss today came after the game was out of reach, same with his several misses at Arrowhead and against the Raiders at Invesco.

[SouthStndJunkie]

. You been wining about a damn kicker who gives a flying **** about a damn kicker /;

Now ask me how I think we should win a game like dominate with a kick ass MLB'er not some p***Y ass Kicker who cares in the end he will be damn good next year or gone.

It seems like you care about the kicker.

[SouthStndJunkie]

I could give a ****ing rats ass !!!!!!!!!!11

bwahaha

[lazarus4444]

Cut him, bring somebody in who is hungry to be an NFL kicker. We should accept no less than 85% success rate in our kickers. This board calls for his head if he misses a potential game winner and you all know it. Lets get somebody in here who can kick.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Actually, Prater made some core fundamental changes to his kicking this last off-season ... he had his first kicking coach ever supposedly. One of the fundamentals they changed was to stop him watching the ball being snapped and focus his eyes on the placement spot only.

I dunno, I still have hope for Prater ... people don't talk about his kickoffs much around here, but they fly consistently inside the 5-yard line. And fortunately his FG misses have come in games we had no chance to win, hence they don't hurt as much. Like Dong said, his miss today came after the game was out of reach, same with his several misses at Arrowhead and against the Raiders at Invesco.

He made some changes....but is still kicking at a similar % as he was before.

As for the missed kicks....he has missed 7 kicks in the last 7 games....several of them in games we won.

At least his misses have not cost us a game yet.

I do know one thing....if he lines up to kick a 47 yard FG, down by 1 point, with 10 seconds left on the clock, for the division title, my sphincter will be clenched up like someone's first shower in prison.

[~Crash~]

bwahaha


:thumbs:

[TheChamp24]

I love all the crying about Prater and wanting a new kicker.
I wonder what you fools were thinking back when Elam was a rookie. Did you want him cut too?
Give Prater a chance for crying out loud lol.

[bronco militia]

I love all the crying about Prater and wanting a new kicker.
I wonder what you fools were thinking back when Elam was a rookie. Did you want him cut too?
Give Prater a chance for crying out loud lol.

prater isn't a rookie

[db56]

Elam was under 75% as a rookie, guess the Broncos should have cut him too.

I agree, but everybody knows what "NFL" stands for.

[SouthStndJunkie]

I agree, but everybody knows what "NFL" stands for.

Not For Long.

[tsiguy96]

no one is blaming this loss on prater at all. however it is a problem right now that he is missing a lot of his kicks...

[Beantown Bronco]

he is not good.
The only thing he does well is kick offs.


5-5 from over 50 says otherwise.

[Muddled]

Last year Prater missed kicks and completely lost confidence, ending up getting cut, this year same story. It's not the numbers, though they're getting bad overall too, but the way misses get into his head that has made me, and I'm guessing the team too, lose confidence in Prater long term, he's just not tough enough mentally to get it done.

Us having major problem elsewhere, really has nothing to do with that.

And comparing his numbers to Elam's rookie season, gimme a break, by that logic, you could make strong arguments for Plummer being the best Denver QB ever

[barryr]

The defense stinks for yet another year, yet some are worried about a freaking kicker?

[CEH]

Actually, Prater made some core fundamental changes to his kicking this last off-season ... he had his first kicking coach ever supposedly. One of the fundamentals they changed was to stop him watching the ball being snapped and focus his eyes on the placement spot only.

I dunno, I still have hope for Prater ... people don't talk about his kickoffs much around here, but they fly consistently inside the 5-yard line. And fortunately his FG misses have come in games we had no chance to win, hence they don't hurt as much. Like Dong said, his miss today came after the game was out of reach, same with his several misses at Arrowhead and against the Raiders at Invesco.

Missed a 43 yd FG at the end of the half against the Raiders that would have tighten the score to 10-6. Denver then came out and scored and would have taken the lead. That kick may have been the one to send Prater over the edge. He's a basket case from what ppl who frequent Dove Valley say

[WolfpackGuy]

Someone needs to tell him to quit playing the hook because he doesn't have one.

[houghtam]

There are a lot of problems in the world today...the economy, global warming, immigration, war, famine...but you know what REALLY pisses me off?

Feline AIDS.

The government really needs to step up and do something about this right now.

[long beach bronco]

Prater does concern me, and we are going to need him to make a clutch kick before this season is over I predict. We throw picks, we fumble the ball and miss field goals. This team is very mistake prone right now, hopefully we can fix this and get a win next week. It is a must win.