Heisman Goes To Bradford

[Rohirrim]

There ya go, Sooners.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/14/sports/ncaafootball/14heisman.html?em

[SouthStndJunkie]

Tebow received the most 1st place votes and still came in third place in the voting.

[Anaximines]

go Bradford! Can't wait to see his statue up in Heisman Park.

[theAPAOps5]

Undeserving just like his team doesn't deserve the National Championship game.

[Jason in LA]

So how do these QBs look as NFL prospects?

[24champ]

Undeserving just like his team doesn't deserve the National Championship game.

Mark my words....Urban and UF will light em up like a christmas tree.

[ludo21]

I think the Championship could actually be a good game.

[TomServo]

it used to be a nice award way back . i put it up there with the grammys these days. how many of the last ten heisman winners play in the nfl? tim couch was the last straw for me. i think the winner of "the best player in college football award" maybe should play a few downs in the nfl for me to respect it.

[ludo21]

it used to be a nice award way back . i put it up there with the grammys these days. how many of the last ten heisman winners play in the nfl? tim couch was the last straw for me. i think the winner of "the best player in college football award" maybe should play a few downs in the nfl for me to respect it.

That argument is bad...

Its "Best Player in COLLEGE Football", not "Best player who translates to the NFL" award...

I would agree that the award is going to wayyyy too many QB's these past 10 years. That is stupid.

[TomServo]

That argument is bad...

Its "Best Player in COLLEGE Football", not "Best player who translates to the NFL" award...

I would agree that the award is going to wayyyy too many QB's these past 10 years. That is stupid.
ill give you that. but the award has become "the best player on a BCS team"
back in the day a heisman trophy winner was actually supposed to be a decent nfl player. it used to actually be embarrissing for a heisman winner to fail in the nfl.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[24champ]

ill give you that. but the award has become "the best player on a BCS team"
back in the day a heisman trophy winner was actually supposed to be a decent nfl player. it used to actually be embarrissing for a heisman winner to fail in the nfl.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

I would compare the Heisman to the NFL's HOF.

[TheChamp24]

Bradford is a very good NFL prospect, and was deserving of the Heisman. Guy lite up opposing defenses and led the #1 offense in NCAA HISTORY.

Man, so much hate for OU the past couple months from nearly everybody I've talked to.

[TomServo]

I would compare the Heisman to the NFL's HOF.
dont even get me started Ha!

[Natedog24]

*yawn*

[ludo21]

Bradford is a very good NFL prospect, and was deserving of the Heisman. Guy lite up opposing defenses and led the #1 offense in NCAA HISTORY.

Man, so much hate for OU the past couple months from nearly everybody I've talked to.

Can it really be proven that this was the best offense in NCAA history??

The hate is because Texas beat them and then they represented the Big 12 South in the Big 12 'ship....

not right, not cool

[s0phr0syne]

Bradford is a very good NFL prospect, and was deserving of the Heisman. Guy lite up opposing defenses and led the #1 offense in NCAA HISTORY.

Man, so much hate for OU the past couple months from nearly everybody I've talked to.



Every time I see someone post some OU-hate, I want to defend against it with solid, logical arguments, but at this point I'm pretty sure it'll fall on deaf ears.

Only way to shed the hate is to show up against FL and shut everyone up. I hope OU is up to task, otherwise it's just another OU Bowl bust.

[SouthStndJunkie]

So how do these QBs look as NFL prospects?

Sam Bradford will be the most coveted draft prospect of the three whenever they do enter.

[cabronco]

Can it really be proven that this was the best offense in NCAA history??

The hate is because Texas beat them and then they represented the Big 12 South in the Big 12 'ship....

not right, not cool

Ya I can understand why Texas would be upset with it. When the computers do their computing and mix in Texas Tech. who was ranked right up there with OK. & Texas for awhile . Oklahoma blew Texas Tech. away 65 to 21 and it wasnt even that close. Where Texas only beat T.T. by 6. I think Texas defeating OK. by 10 points could of very well went the other way since Ok. lost there star receiver early in the game. I think Bradford is a good candidate and deserved heisman trophy winner.

[s0phr0syne]

Ya I can understand why Texas would be upset with it. When the computers do their computing and mix in Texas Tech. who was ranked right up there with OK. & Texas for awhile . Oklahoma blew Texas Tech. away 65 to 21 and it wasnt even that close. Where Texas only [got beat by] T.T. by 6. I think Texas defeating OK. by 10 points could of very well went the other way since Ok. lost their linebacker early in the game. I think Bradford is a good candidate and deserved heisman trophy winner.


Fixed version.

[SouthStndJunkie]

it used to be a nice award way back . i put it up there with the grammys these days. how many of the last ten heisman winners play in the nfl? tim couch was the last straw for me. i think the winner of "the best player in college football award" maybe should play a few downs in the nfl for me to respect it.

I disagree....if the Heisman ever became the award for the best NFL prospect, I would be disappointed.

The NFL should have absolutely zero to do with the award.

College prowess does not always translate to the next level....the best player in college football might not be great NFL material, but that does not mean they cannot dominate in college.

The NFL covets size and speed and sheer talent....in college a guy like Tim Tebow can be a great and gutsy leader without having a 1st round NFL arm. The college game has so many different offenses compared to the pro game. Some of the players from these offenses will not fit in the NFL. The Heisman Trophy is a college award, not an NFL award.

[cabronco]

Fixed version.

Thanks it is kind of late & I'm tired. I know they lost their LB, but earlier in that game or maybe it was the week earlier where they lost one of their better receivers for a few games. He fractured his arm or elbow.

[TomServo]

The NFL should have absolutely zero to do with the award.
i go back to my post where i said it used to be the heisman trophy winner was actually expected to play in the NFL, even help or "save" a team. pretty damn sad when the "best player in college football" cant play a down in the next level.

[s0phr0syne]

Not saying I disagree, but why do YOU think that it's sad that the best college player doesn't translate to the NFL?

They are two totally different types of football.

[TomServo]

Not saying I disagree, but why do YOU think that it's sad that the best college player doesn't translate to the NFL?

They are two totally different types of football.

i guess i just remember the day when, you won the heisman but couldnt play pro it was...embarrassing.

[TomServo]

i guess the shame is gone.

[Kid A]

I would compare the Heisman to the NFL's HOF.

I would say it actually does line up well with the NFL MVP award: you have to be a quarterback (maybe running back) on a #1 or #2 playoff seed team. It's really just the fundamental flaw of awarding an overall football player award. It will go to the most visible players.

I will say that I think Bradford was as deserving as anyone. That offense is a sight to behold.

[Kid A]

i guess i just remember the day when, you won the heisman but couldnt play pro it was...embarrassing.

I still don't think it's a great standard. Think back a few years when the top 2 candidates were Reggie Bush and Vince Young. Even in retrospect (one decent NFL RB, one bust of an NFL QB thus far), there is little doubt they deserved to be among the top candidates. Both were dominant players in the offenses they ran.

Yeah it's a big disappointment when a star in college doesn't play as well in the pros, but its just a different game in many ways. Some players who were so-so in college explode in the pros because their style just fits better. Not sure its anything to embarrassed about, though. The only ones who should be embarrassed are the scouts and GMs that over hype them. (On the flip side of this, the ESPN should never cease in their praise of the Houston Texans for the Mario Williams pick after the crap they gave them for passing on Bush.)

[SouthStndJunkie]

i guess i just remember the day when, you won the heisman but couldnt play pro it was...embarrassing.

There have been many Heisman Trophy winners from every decade that have not gone on to do much in the NFL.

Guys like Steve Spurrier, Pat Sullivan, Archie Griffin (2 time winner), Johnny Rodgers, and Gary Beban all won the award many years ago and had little impact in the NFL. There are many others.

[TomServo]

Guys like Steve Spurrier, Pat Sullivan, Archie Griffin (2 time winner), Johnny Rodgers, Gary Beban all won the award many years ago and had little impact in the NFL. There are many others.

those were the poor losers. nowadays the heisman says "i play for a bcs team and ill probably never go pro."

[TomServo]

and i bet every single one of those old timers were embarrased by their NFL career. unlike todays kids.

[SouthStndJunkie]

and i bet every single one of those old timers were embarrased by their NFL career. unlike todays kids.

I'm not sure where you get that these kids don't want to play, or are not embarrassed at not playing in the NFL?

[SouthStndJunkie]

Are you a grumpy old man?

If not, you sure sound like one.

[TomServo]

i didnt say they didnt want to play. i said they cant, not their fault..
im saying the heisman has gone the way of the grammy, total crap award.
how many broncos were a bcs guy? all i ever said was the heisman used to be something.
archie griffin won two heismans and rushed for 2800 yards in 7 years as a pro. .
the heisman is the same as 13 year old little leage batting champ.

[Rock Chalk]

So how do these QBs look as NFL prospects?

Bradford looks like a 2-3 year learning curve but should be pretty good.

Tebow is not an NFL QB, could be a TE though.

McCoy is going back for his Sr season and if his progression continues could be in the mold of say Steve Young. Running QB that knows when and where to throw it.

[Rock Chalk]

Not saying I disagree, but why do YOU think that it's sad that the best college player doesn't translate to the NFL?

They are two totally different types of football.

Same for any sport.

Tyler Hansborough is the unanamous PLayer of the Year but he is going to be a ****ty professional. He has no position in the pros. Too slow to be a shooting forward, too small to be a power forward, doesnt have a good enough outside shot to be a 2 gaurd, way too small to be a center. IN college though, because most of the guys he plays against aren't NBA talent or size, he can be dominant. Guy is a good basketball player, just not an NBA player.

Take Tebow. he succeeds in the college ranks because he doesnt play against NFL defenses. Some of the players he plays against are NFL caliber, but probably only about 5%. When every defensive player in the NFL is faster or as fast as you, you cant do what you did in college. He is an OK passer but has a really slow release and doesnt see the field. Never has had to read defenses either because Florida's system is either a QB draw, option run or drop back and find an open receiver with the option to run. Its not a difficult offense. It works well in College because teams cant gameplan 5 days a week against you, they dont have the film study of 4-6 hours a day either. Now some QBs in college like Bradford for example, are much more pass-centric, are taught to read defenses more. Their offenses are more complex with more complex reads depending on the defense.

[Rock Chalk]

Mark my words....Urban and UF will light em up like a christmas tree.

Haha.

Sometimes I wish I gambled because ther eis such thing as sure money and taking it from you would be sweet.

[Kid A]

i didnt say they didnt want to play. i said they cant, not their fault..
im saying the heisman has gone the way of the grammy, total crap award.
how many broncos were a bcs guy? all i ever said was the heisman used to be something.
archie griffin won two heismans and rushed for 2800 yards in 7 years as a pro. .
the heisman is the same as 13 year old little leage batting champ.


I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what college football is, at least to its fans. It is not a minor league for the NFL. It is its own (often very different) game with its own history that is not inextricably linked to the pros.

NFL impact has nothing, zero, nada to do with how Heisman winners are remembered by people who understand or care about college football. Archie Griffin and Johnny Rodgers weren't "poor losers": they were college legends, and it would have been remembered as a joke if they hadn't won the Heismans they did.

If NFL success is the only criteria by which you judge a football player, then you should probably stick to just watching the NFL. You seem to not be able to appreciate the accomplishments of a player in college if they didn't replicate it in the pros. Fair enough, just don't try to tell the rest of us who do enjoy college football on its own merits that awarding anything outside your criteria is "little league."

[TomServo]

i remember when OJ was a heisman bust, before he broke out in the nfl. the award just isnt was it used to be. the award excites me as much as a grammy or an nfl HOF award.
gimme hillis over reggie bush or whoever won the heisman that year.
i dont know when the heisman went wrong, maybe ty detmer, i dunno, but the trophy isnt excatley a badge of honor these days.

[TomServo]

lets look at the "award" since 2000
matt leinert?
jason white???
chris weinke?
troy smith?
Lottsa little league players.

[watermock]

Colt and the Longhorns got screwed. Under SEC rules, Texas would of won the south, stomped Missou, and be playing for the championship.

Period. Running up the score, WOW. Call me unimpressed.

[watermock]

BTW, Tebow will fail at the NFL level.

He'll be taken in the 2nd and still fail.

[worm]

The Heisman didn't change, Tom. The NFL did.

The days where a single NFL player taking over the game are becoming much more scarce. It is definitely a team sport.

Unlike College where the difference between elite and poor is much, much larger.

In the NCAA you can dominate based on your own skill set. A star will shine even on a bad team (like OU).

The Heisman celebrates the individual...and the NFL crowns the team. Those two are not always inclusive.

[24champ]

Haha.

Sometimes I wish I gambled because ther eis such thing as sure money and taking it from you would be sweet.

Yeah because Bob Stoops of Chokelahoma has an awesome record in BCS games.:rofl:

Alabama which was #1 in the Nation got torched by a Percy-less gator team, with Percy back for the NC game...he will run all over Chokelahoma.

UF is the #5 scoring defense and the #3 scoring offense.

OU is the #58 scoring defense and the #1 scoring offense.

OU has the 65th rated defense...they've given up a total of 319 points.

UF has the 9th rated defense...they've given up a total of 167 points.

OU's defense has allowed 42 touchdowns.

UF's defense has allowed 19 touchdowns.



UF is going to light em up like a Christmas tree.

[worm]

UF is going to light em up like a Christmas tree.

Easy money.

[TheChamp24]

Bradford looks like a 2-3 year learning curve but should be pretty good.

Tebow is not an NFL QB, could be a TE though.

McCoy is going back for his Sr season and if his progression continues could be in the mold of say Steve Young. Running QB that knows when and where to throw it.

I think you are wrong on Bradford, I think he would be able to come in year 1 and produce like Ryan/Flacco if he had a little help around him.

Yeah because Bob Stoops of Chokelahoma has an awesome record in BCS games.:rofl:

Alabama which was #1 in the Nation got torched by a Percy-less gator team, with Percy back for the NC game...he will run all over Chokelahoma.

UF is the #5 scoring defense and the #3 scoring offense.

OU is the #58 scoring defense and the #1 scoring offense.

OU has the 65th rated defense...they've given up a total of 319 points.

UF has the 9th rated defense...they've given up a total of 167 points.

OU's defense has allowed 42 touchdowns.

UF's defense has allowed 19 touchdowns.



UF is going to light em up like a Christmas tree.

What you failed to mention was this:
In the 1st half of games, OU averages 35 points a game, while giving up 12 points a game. In the first half.
And that their average margin of victory is 30 points.
And that the OU defense has 32 turnovers, thats 2 and half a game they force.
I think its funny how people are saying Florida will be able to stuff OU's offense. I would certainly like to know how.

[HILife]

ill give you that. but the award has become "the best QB player on a BCS team"
back in the day a heisman trophy winner was actually supposed to be a decent nfl player. it used to actually be embarrissing for a heisman winner to fail in the nfl.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

Fixed it for you:thumbs:

[v2micca]

lets look at the "award" since 2000
matt leinert?
jason white???
chris weinke?
troy smith?
Lottsa little league players.

Well, I guess it doesn't live up to the list of
Gary Beban
Steve Owens
Pat Sullivan
Johny Rodgers
John Cappelletti

If you look through the history of Heisman winners since the inception of the award, you will find about the same ratio of booms to busts, to nothing specials that managed to eek out a handful of years in the NFL. This is by no means a new phenomenon.

[Broncoman13]

I am a huge UT fan and really pull for Urb Meyer and the Gators. I actually expected Tebow to win this thing, not on merit but rather b/c I figured Bradford and McCoy would split votes. Here's the thing, the voters got this one right! Bradford had a tremendous season. Played outstanding football especially down the stretch run.

I think that the Horns got robbed out of a chance to play for a NC, but it's not like OU isn't deserving. They are the hottest team in the nation right now. Every bit as hot as Florida and scoring 60 points per game isn't exactly easy, though they've made it look that way. Who knows, maybe Tebow hit the nail on the head when he said he can't wait to throw against a Big 12 defense!

Finally, the argument about Heisman winners doing well in the NFL. There have been SEVERAL winners that fail in the NFL and this isn't a recent thing. 70's, 80's, 90's, and 2000's all have their share.

70's- Johnny Rodgers, John Cappelleti, Charles White, and of course Archie Griffin
80's- George Rogers, Mike Rozier, and Andre Ware
90's- Ty Detmer, Gino Torretta, Charlie Ward, Rashaan Salaam, Danny Wuerffel
2000's- Chris Weinke, Eric Crouch, Jaston White.

The 90's were bad for players to transition to the NFL. The 80's were pretty good with Marcus Allen, Herschel Walker, Bo Jackson, Barry Sanders, and Tim Brown. I don't see the award as the best NFL prospect but rather the best college player. Everyone knew that Danny Wuerffel, Charlie Ward, Eric Crouch, and Jason White were college players that would not do well in the NFL. I think Gabe Harrell is similar. I also think that if you were going to award it based on how well they look to transition to the NFL you would have to include some players that didn't really do that well. How would it look to have Matthew Stafford winning the heisman just b/c he's likely a top 3 pick in the draft?

[Broncoman13]

Oh, and one more thing. Winning the heisman for Bradford is actually a bit of a curse for the Sooner's NC hopes. Typically, whoever wins the award is so busy with interviews and Heisman obligations that he suffers in his bowl game. I think Bradford knows the offense so well that he'll still do okay, but I would be surprised if Florida didn't win.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Not saying I disagree, but why do YOU think that it's sad that the best college player doesn't translate to the NFL?

They are two totally different types of football.
No they're not.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I am a huge UT fan and really pull for Urb Meyer and the Gators. I actually expected Tebow to win this thing, not on merit but rather b/c I figured Bradford and McCoy would split votes. Here's the thing, the voters got this one right! Bradford had a tremendous season. Played outstanding football especially down the stretch run.

I think that the Horns got robbed out of a chance to play for a NC, but it's not like OU isn't deserving. They are the hottest team in the nation right now. Every bit as hot as Florida and scoring 60 points per game isn't exactly easy, though they've made it look that way. Who knows, maybe Tebow hit the nail on the head when he said he can't wait to throw against a Big 12 defense!

Finally, the argument about Heisman winners doing well in the NFL. There have been SEVERAL winners that fail in the NFL and this isn't a recent thing. 70's, 80's, 90's, and 2000's all have their share.

70's- Johnny Rodgers, John Cappelleti, Charles White, and of course Archie Griffin
80's- George Rogers, Mike Rozier, and Andre Ware
90's- Ty Detmer, Gino Torretta, Charlie Ward, Rashaan Salaam, Danny Wuerffel
2000's- Chris Weinke, Eric Crouch, Jaston White.

The 90's were bad for players to transition to the NFL. The 80's were pretty good with Marcus Allen, Herschel Walker, Bo Jackson, Barry Sanders, and Tim Brown. I don't see the award as the best NFL prospect but rather the best college player. Everyone knew that Danny Wuerffel, Charlie Ward, Eric Crouch, and Jason White were college players that would not do well in the NFL. I think Gabe Harrell is similar. I also think that if you were going to award it based on how well they look to transition to the NFL you would have to include some players that didn't really do that well. How would it look to have Matthew Stafford winning the heisman just b/c he's likely a top 3 pick in the draft?
Don't put George Rogers in the failure group. He rushed for over 7,000 yards, scored 54 TD's and made All Pro about 3 times while playing on some pretty bad football teams.

[Broncoman13]

Don't put George Rogers in the failure group. He rushed for over 7,000 yards, scored 54 TD's and made All Pro about 3 times while playing on some pretty bad football teams.

So the 80's looks even better...

[s0phr0syne]

Yeah because Bob Stoops of Chokelahoma has an awesome record in BCS games.:rofl:

Alabama which was #1 in the Nation got torched by a Percy-less gator team, with Percy back for the NC game...he will run all over Chokelahoma.

UF is the #5 scoring defense and the #3 scoring offense.

OU is the #58 scoring defense and the #1 scoring offense.

OU has the 65th rated defense...they've given up a total of 319 points.

UF has the 9th rated defense...they've given up a total of 167 points.

OU's defense has allowed 42 touchdowns.

UF's defense has allowed 19 touchdowns.



UF is going to light em up like a Christmas tree.



Out of curiosity, what's the comparison in terms of the offensive rankings that each team faced through the season? OU seemed to play all of the Big12's crazy offenses in Kansas, Missouri, Texas Tech, and Texas. Cincinnati also had a good offense.

I haven't watched enough UF football to know what offenses their D had to go against, so any rankings or info on that that you could provide would be much appreciated!

[Dedhed]

Every time I see someone post some OU-hate, I want to defend against it with solid, logical arguments, but at this point I'm pretty sure it'll fall on deaf ears.

Only way to shed the hate is to show up against FL and shut everyone up. I hope OU is up to task, otherwise it's just another OU Bowl bust.
To me it's hard to explain how they're ranked ahead of a team who they lost to ON A NEUTRAL FIELD, and have the same record as without throwing logic out the window in favor of subjectivity.

I'm not a UT fan at all, but its laughable to me. Imagine if the Broncos swept the Chargers (equivalent to a neutral site win IMO) and they both finished with the same record. But Sand Diego beat the Chiefs and Raiders by more than we did, so the league decided they should win the division. Would you feel jobbed?

[s0phr0syne]

I'm not going to respond to your proposed situation directly because I think it's quite a bit different than what actually happened in the big12, BUT...


I will reiterate that it was a 3-WAY-TIE, despite what UT advocates seem to remember. 2 teams had to get shafted no matter how things shook out, and in this case UT and TT were the two that got "jobbed" by the system. Maybe the big12 will change its tiebreak structure, but the next system will still leave 2 teams unhappy with its end result. The head-to-head loss was factored into the final decision (by computers and humans alike), but found not be significant enough to change the rankings. It's not like the loss was forgotten and discarded, it was factored in.

[Dedhed]

I'm not going to respond to your proposed situation directly because I think it's quite a bit different than what actually happened in the big12, BUT...


I will reiterate that it was a 3-WAY-TIE, despite what UT advocates seem to remember. 2 teams had to get shafted no matter how things shook out, and in this case UT and TT were the two that got "jobbed" by the system. Maybe the big12 will change its tiebreak structure, but the next system will still leave 2 teams unhappy with its end result. The head-to-head loss was factored into the final decision (by computers and humans alike), but found not be significant enough to change the rankings. It's not like the loss was forgotten and discarded, it was factored in.I don't care about the Big 12's tie-breaking system, computer models (designed by humans) or who has more friends amongst the coaching ranks.

If you're looking for the best team, and want to go about it logically, you can't put a team that won at a neutral site behind the team that it beat. Period.

The rest is politics any way you slice it.

[Tombstone RJ]

Mark my words....Urban and UF will light em up like a christmas tree.

Oklahoma will win, mark my words...

[Tombstone RJ]

Bradford is a very good NFL prospect, and was deserving of the Heisman. Guy lite up opposing defenses and led the #1 offense in NCAA HISTORY.

Man, so much hate for OU the past couple months from nearly everybody I've talked to.

Not here my man, OU is representing the Big 12 THE BEST D1 FOOTBALL CONFERENCE IN THE NCAA and when they beat Floride, the SEC will know it too (the national media will still suck on the SEC mind you).

[s0phr0syne]

I don't care about the Big 12's tie-breaking system, computer models (designed by humans) or who has more friends amongst the coaching ranks.

If you're looking for the best team, and want to go about it logically, you can't put a team that won at a neutral site behind the team that it beat. Period.

The rest is politics any way you slice it.


Like I said from the beginning, if you follow college football at all you've seen this debated ad nausem by other people who a) know much more about college football than I do, b) care about it a lot more than I do, and c) are better at presenting their argument than I am. For those reasons, I'm not going to continue the debate because you've already made up your mind if you are still advocating for UT.

So by what you're saying, does TT go instead of UT because of their win? Or does UT still go because of their BCS ranking?

[lex]

The top 2 vote getters:
Sam Bradford
Colt McCoy


The 2 best players (ie what the award is allegedly for):
Andre Smith
Aaron Curry

[yavoon]

I don't care about the Big 12's tie-breaking system, computer models (designed by humans) or who has more friends amongst the coaching ranks.

If you're looking for the best team, and want to go about it logically, you can't put a team that won at a neutral site behind the team that it beat. Period.

The rest is politics any way you slice it.

its actually perfectly reasonable to have a team that lost to another team on a neutral site(or at home) be the best team. its called an upset, they happen all the time. so you're wrong.

[Inkana7]

Not here my man, OU is representing the Big 12 THE BEST D1 FOOTBALL CONFERENCE IN THE NCAA and when they beat Floride, the SEC will know it too (the national media will still suck on the SEC mind you).

Right.

Because OU is simply awesome in bowl games.

Sam Bradford is Matt Leinart. Mediocre Arm, tons of talent around him in college. I've rarely seen Bradford throw it downfield whenever I've watched OU.

Tim Tebow should have won, IMO, if we're basing it on "What have you done for me lately?". McCoy was the best player in College, though. Easily. The team is on his back. It's not his fault Texas got screwed over.

[Inkana7]

its actually perfectly reasonable to have a team that lost to another team on a neutral site(or at home) be the best team. its called an upset, they happen all the time. so you're wrong.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted here. Texas didn't sneak by winning by 3. They won by 10.

[LonghornBronco]

OU Sucks! They stole everthing they got this season. If they were real men they would hand over the BCS #1 ranking and the Heisman to UT the obviously more talented and deserving team. Normally runnin up the score on lesser talent is shameful, apparently now they give out awards for it?!?! OU is going to get blown out, they can't play D with the SEC.

[LonghornBronco]

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted here. Texas didn't sneak by winning by 3. They won by 10.

I agree, and any body with half a brain that watched that game could see it wasn't as close as the score indicated.

[Inkana7]

We saw what happened to OU when they went up against a good Pass Rush. I think Texas is the only team in the Big 12 who can rush the passer. Florida is better.

[s0phr0syne]

Enjoy your circle jerk in this thread while it lasts guys. We'll see what happens in the game. keep talking til then I guess.

[Rock Chalk]

Yeah because Bob Stoops of Chokelahoma has an awesome record in BCS games.:rofl:

Alabama which was #1 in the Nation got torched by a Percy-less gator team, with Percy back for the NC game...he will run all over Chokelahoma.

UF is the #5 scoring defense and the #3 scoring offense.

OU is the #58 scoring defense and the #1 scoring offense.

OU has the 65th rated defense...they've given up a total of 319 points.

UF has the 9th rated defense...they've given up a total of 167 points.

OU's defense has allowed 42 touchdowns.

UF's defense has allowed 19 touchdowns.



UF is going to light em up like a Christmas tree.

Take it with a grain of salt. Florida played in an offensively challenged SEC. Oklahoma played in an offensively talented Big 12. NO defense in the nation could have stopped Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State and Kansas/Mizzou (despite KU being a poorer team this year, they were still tough to stop offensively) and held them to the woeful points allowed that Florida managed throughout the season.

Florida meanwhile, played Auburn who managed to score on about every 18th possession, Tennessee which would have been about dead last in the Big 12 on offense, A Bama team that really wasnt an offensive juggernaut but STILL put up pretty good numbers against Florida's overrated defense.

Dont get me wrong, I dont trust Stoops in bowl games any more than anyone else not a Sooner fan, but if you think for one second that Florida has a chance to stop OU's offense from just scoring on nearly every drive you are fooling yourself. Now I dont know if OU will beat Florida, I do know that the two best teams are not in the national championship game this year. The two best teams already played for the NC game at a neutral site and Texas won. Florida would have more than 1 loss had they played OU, Techs or UTs schedule, gauranteed.

[Inkana7]

Florida's a damn good team. They've been darn near unstoppable ever since that Ole Miss loss. At the level they're playing right now, I could easily see them going in, playing those schedules you mentioned, Alec, and coming out with 1 win or less. They're supremely talented and fast.

[TheChamp24]

Right.

Because OU is simply awesome in bowl games.

Sam Bradford is Matt Leinart. Mediocre Arm, tons of talent around him in college. I've rarely seen Bradford throw it downfield whenever I've watched OU.

Tim Tebow should have won, IMO, if we're basing it on "What have you done for me lately?". McCoy was the best player in College, though. Easily. The team is on his back. It's not his fault Texas got screwed over.

Why should Tebow have won? Because he beat Alabama? I've stated McCoy probably should have won because he was basically the MVP of College Football this year, isn't that what the award should be for?
And Bradford is a lot better than people talk about him. His arm is no Cutler/Favre/Russell, but its solid and he has deadly accuracy.

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted here. Texas didn't sneak by winning by 3. They won by 10.

Texas squeaked by. The 10 points is inflated because Texas got a TD in the last few minutes.

OU Sucks! They stole everthing they got this season. If they were real men they would hand over the BCS #1 ranking and the Heisman to UT the obviously more talented and deserving team. Normally runnin up the score on lesser talent is shameful, apparently now they give out awards for it?!?! OU is going to get blown out, they can't play D with the SEC.

lol, running up the score? I love when people bring that up. Lets not mention how in almost every game, OU's 4th quarter points is probably their 2nd lowest scoring quarter.

I agree, and any body with half a brain that watched that game could see it wasn't as close as the score indicated.

Yes, it was as close as the score indicated. I don't know where you think Texas dominated OU in the game. That was an evenly matched game pretty much throughout.

[Inkana7]

Yeah, actually. I think beating the #1 team in the nation, pretty much by yourself, with a NC game berth on the line deserves some recognition. But I guess putting up 60 on Missouri is more impressive.

[TheChamp24]

Yeah, actually. I think beating the #1 team in the nation, pretty much by yourself, with a NC game berth on the line deserves some recognition. But I guess putting up 60 on Missouri is more impressive.

Like I said, McCoy was the MVP of College Football this year. Without him, Texas is 8-4 probably at best. Without Bradford, I bet OU is 10-2/9-3.
Bradford was deserving because he was amazing, but I think McCoy didn't get as much recognition for his play at Texas that he deserved.

[24champ]

Yeah, actually. I think beating the #1 team in the nation, pretty much by yourself, with a NC game berth on the line deserves some recognition. But I guess putting up 60 on Missouri is more impressive.

Beat them pretty good without the #1 player on their team, Percy Harvin.

[oubronco]

Mark my words....Urban and UF will light em up like a christmas tree.

we shall see my friend we shall see

[DenverBrit]

It's interesting that some still think Texas got shafted. Why?

They were beaten by Texas Tech, so why the hell would Texas be the choice and not Tech when both have one loss??

OU demolished that same Tech team.....and put 60 plus points on OSU (in Stillwater) a team that Texas struggled all game to barely beat in Austin.

The banner during the Missouri game and the shameless campaigning by Mack Brown during the broadcast was really pathetic.
Even the Texas allumni were embarrassed.

The Big 12 rules that sent OU to the NC game, were agreed by Texas too.....long before this season started.

Only when Texas didn't get their way did the rule suck and the whining begin.

[oubronco]

its useless brit it can't be beatin into these guys heads

[Inkana7]

Because by SEC rules and probably most other conference rules, Texas would have went to the Big 12 Championship. Tech beat Texas, yeah, but when it was time to send someone to Kansas City, they were ranked way below Texas and Oklahoma. Between those two, it should have been head-to-head that determined who went.

What's the point of playing the games if they don't count when they need to?

[oubronco]

blah blah blah waah waah waah

[Inkana7]

Wicked sweet argument.

[oubronco]

tired of hearing it it is what it is

[Inkana7]

Don't get me wrong, I think OU's a great team and the NC will be a good game. But it just annoys me that they got in over Texas.

[DenverBrit]

Because by SEC rules and probably most other conference rules, Texas would have went to the Big 12 Championship. Tech beat Texas, yeah, but when it was time to send someone to Kansas City, they were ranked way below Texas and Oklahoma. Between those two, it should have been head-to-head that determined who went.

What's the point of playing the games if they don't count when they need to?

But they don't use that rule. The entire Big 12 chose to use the highest ranking BCs team...OU.

Texas was fine with the rule, until they didn't benefit from it.....then the whining began.

The only reason Tech was ranked lower was because OU took them apart and they slid below Texas.....a team Tech had already beaten!
That shouldn't have happened, Texas benefited from the OU win over Tech.
If OU hadn't beaten them, Tech would be going to the NC game......assuming they took care of Missouri.

Can't have it both ways.

[rastaman]

The mythical NC to decide who will be number one is a shame in my opinion. Division I college football BCS system needs to be abolished and a 16 team playoff system needs to be implemented.

However, it won't happen so long as you have men in their 60's and 70's stuck in a time warp of hanging on to an out dated system. Let the Div I college footbal title game be decided on the field with a 16 team play off. We are only talking a 4 games! You can also use the Rose Bowl, Surgar Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, and perhaps the Cotton bowl as the major playoff and NC sites and rotate every year.

You can start the season two weeks early, teams could play one out of conference game and then start conference play. The play offs could start during the month of December, and the NC game could be played sometime in January.

[SoonerBronco]

Right.

Because OU is simply awesome in bowl games.

Sam Bradford is Matt Leinart. Mediocre Arm, tons of talent around him in college. I've rarely seen Bradford throw it downfield whenever I've watched OU.
Tim Tebow should have won, IMO, if we're basing it on "What have you done for me lately?". McCoy was the best player in College, though. Easily. The team is on his back. It's not his fault Texas got screwed over.

You sir are and idiot...How many games have you watched? Bradford has a great arm and can make all the throws that the NFL wants. You can't say that for Tebow and McCoy. Both are great college QB's, but Sam will excell in the pros.

[SoonerBronco]

Don't get me wrong, I think OU's a great team and the NC will be a good game. But it just annoys me that they got in over Texas.

How could we not get you wrong? All you have done is hate on OU up until now.

[SoonerBronco]

OU Sucks! They stole everthing they got this season. If they were real men they would hand over the BCS #1 ranking and the Heisman to UT the obviously more talented and deserving team. Normally runnin up the score on lesser talent is shameful, apparently now they give out awards for it?!?! OU is going to get blown out, they can't play D with the SEC.


We stole everything? That's awesome....where did you come up with that fantastic example of independent thought?

I hope you are only about 15, because then you will have an excuse for being so brilliant.

[yavoon]

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen posted here. Texas didn't sneak by winning by 3. They won by 10.

you've never seen a 10 pt upset? do you even watch sports? at all? like have you seen players playing on a field?

[Crushaholic]

You can start the season two weeks early, teams could play one out of conference game and then start conference play. The play offs could start during the month of December, and the NC game could be played sometime in January.

The smaller schools would object to that. Many of them depend on the payout that the big schools give them to toss them around at the beginning of the season. I think the September "preseason" is here to stay...

[DenverBrit]

You sir are and idiot...How many games have you watched? Bradford has a great arm and can make all the throws that the NFL wants. You can't say that for Tebow and McCoy. Both are great college QB's, but Sam will excell in the pros.

Bradford is rated:

#1 in passes over 25 yards.
#1 in passes over 50 yards.

Yeah, a noodle for an arm. Ha!

[DenverBrit]

Don't get me wrong, I think OU's a great team and the NC will be a good game. But it just annoys me that they got in over Texas.

You do understand that had OU stumbled against OSU, a 2 way tiebreaker would have occurred and Tech would have gone to the Big 12 Title game.

[SoonerBronco]

You do understand that had OU stumbled against OSU, a 2 way tiebreaker would have occurred and Tech would have gone to the Big 12 Title game.


But, but...we're Texas....



They forget that fact...OU beating Tech actually gave them a chance....

[Rohirrim]

USC would have beat all of them. Nyah!

[rastaman]

Mark my words....Urban and UF will light em up like a christmas tree.

Yep! This could be a repeat scenario. Does anyone remember back in 03 when the Sooners were tearing up the Big 12 and OU QB Jason White won the Heisman, and OU faced Linehart and USC and got 50 something dumped on them!

Fast forward to 2008, and the setting seems errily the same. OU's QB Bradford wins the heisman and OU offense have been putting up huge numbers like they did in 2003!!

I guess we will see.

[oubronco]

usc sucks assssssssssss

[epicSocialism4tw]

Bradford has had an historic season.

He basically brought Peyton Manning-like game domination to the college ranks. He's a sophomore and lead a high-execution level offense that requires high intelligence, discipline, focus, and leadership.

Within that framework, he separated himself from other high-production college QB's by converting difficult down-and-distances like they were 2nd and 1. The kid is as clutch as they come. The entire second half of the Bedlam classic was a clinic in overcoming obstacles and executing tough third and fourth downs in the face of a hard-charging opponent with momentum filling their sails. With OK State playing great football, Bradford calmly led the Sooners down the field time and time again to convert long drives into scores.

I believe that the Sooners scored on 8 of their last 8 posessions in that game, 7 of 8 were TD's. 7/8 second half drives of a tight game with a national championship berth on the line and Bradford pilots that thing with perfection. Cold blooded.

That game was just a microcosm of how the season has gone for Bradford, who has become the gold standard for pocket QB's in college ball.

He has driven the best offense in regular season college football history.

With a championship added to the unbelievable video game-like statistical accumulation, the Bradford-led Sooners will be the standard for every offense to come.

It will change college football.

[rastaman]

usc sucks assssssssssss

Yes...perhaps so, but you can't underestimate the ass whupin they put on the Sooners back in 2003----the entire state was morning and 24-hour suicide watch.....I know, I was living there back during that time.

[oubronco]

Bradford has had an historic season.

He basically brought Peyton Manning-like game domination to the college ranks. He's a sophomore and lead a high-execution level offense that requires high intelligence, discipline, focus, and leadership.

Within that framework, he separated himself from other high-production college QB's by converting difficult down-and-distances like they were 2nd and 1. The kid is as clutch as they come. The entire second half of the Bedlam classic was a clinic in overcoming obstacles and executing tough third and fourth downs in the face of a hard-charging opponent with momentum filling their sails. With OK State playing great football, Bradford calmly led the Sooners down the field time and time again to convert long drives into scores.

I believe that the Sooners scored on 8 of their last 8 posessions in that game, 7 of 8 were TD's. 7/8 second half drives of a tight game with a national championship berth on the line and Bradford pilots that thing with perfection. Cold blooded.

That game was just a microcosm of how the season has gone for Bradford, who has become the gold standard for pocket QB's in college ball.

He has driven the best offense in regular season college football history.

With a championship added to the unbelievable video game-like statistical accumulation, the Bradford-led Sooners will be the standard for every offense to come.

It will change college football.

:thanku: :notworthy

[oubronco]

Yes...perhaps so, but you can't underestimate the ass whupin they put on the Sooners back in 2003----the entire state was morning and 24-hour suicide watch.....I know, I was living there back during that time.

this isn't 2003 and these aren't the same Sooners

[Rohirrim]

Yes...perhaps so, but you can't underestimate the ass whupin they put on the Sooners back in 2003----the entire state was morning and 24-hour suicide watch.....I know, I was living there back during that time.

And if we had a real playoff system, the same thing would happen again. :thumbsup:

[rastaman]

Bradford has had an historic season.

He basically brought Peyton Manning-like game domination to the college ranks. He's a sophomore and lead a high-execution level offense that requires high intelligence, discipline, focus, and leadership.

Within that framework, he separated himself from other high-production college QB's by converting difficult down-and-distances like they were 2nd and 1. The kid is as clutch as they come. The entire second half of the Bedlam classic was a clinic in overcoming obstacles and executing tough third and fourth downs in the face of a hard-charging opponent with momentum filling their sails. With OK State playing great football, Bradford calmly led the Sooners down the field time and time again to convert long drives into scores.

I believe that the Sooners scored on 8 of their last 8 posessions in that game, 7 of 8 were TD's. 7/8 second half drives of a tight game with a national championship berth on the line and Bradford pilots that thing with perfection. Cold blooded.

That game was just a microcosm of how the season has gone for Bradford, who has become the gold standard for pocket QB's in college ball.

He has driven the best offense in regular season college football history.

With a championship added to the unbelievable video game-like statistical accumulation, the Bradford-led Sooners will be the standard for every offense to come.

It will change college football.

So if Bradford toast FLA while putting up monster numbers---like over 400 yds passing and 5-7 TD passes, does he skip his JR year and enter into the Draft????

Bradford could alwasy lay an egg next season and not have the miracle season he has had thus far! Looks like the he big bucks are available now. Next year would be a crap shut. You just never know.

[DenverBrit]

But, but...we're Texas....

They forget that fact...OU beating Tech actually gave them a chance....

Not to mention praying hard for OU to come away with an ugly, unimpressive win against OSU.
It was their only hope to move up the in the polls.

It's tough times in Baja Oklahoma. ;D

[epicSocialism4tw]

So if Bradford toast FLA while putting up monster numbers---like over 400 yds passing and 5-7 TD passes, does he skip his JR year and enter into the Draft????

Bradford could alwasy lay an egg next season and not have the miracle season he has had thus far! Looks like the he big bucks are available now. Next year would be a crap shut. You just never know.

If I was Super Sam, I would leave. No question.

However, he is one of those kids that dreamed of growing up and putting on the Crimson and Cream and playing on Saturdays.

Its tough to tell.

[Tombstone RJ]

Take it with a grain of salt. Florida played in an offensively challenged SEC. Oklahoma played in an offensively talented Big 12. NO defense in the nation could have stopped Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State and Kansas/Mizzou (despite KU being a poorer team this year, they were still tough to stop offensively) and held them to the woeful points allowed that Florida managed throughout the season.

Florida meanwhile, played Auburn who managed to score on about every 18th possession, Tennessee which would have been about dead last in the Big 12 on offense, A Bama team that really wasnt an offensive juggernaut but STILL put up pretty good numbers against Florida's overrated defense.

Dont get me wrong, I dont trust Stoops in bowl games any more than anyone else not a Sooner fan, but if you think for one second that Florida has a chance to stop OU's offense from just scoring on nearly every drive you are fooling yourself. Now I dont know if OU will beat Florida, I do know that the two best teams are not in the national championship game this year. The two best teams already played for the NC game at a neutral site and Texas won. Florida would have more than 1 loss had they played OU, Techs or UTs schedule, gauranteed.

So right on so many different levels. yah, I feel bad for Texas, but such is life in the Big 12!

[TheChamp24]

I will say, no matter the down and distance, I always had faith in Bradford to get 1st downs for the Sooners.
I remember quite a few 3rd and like 10+ yards, and he would make a perfect throw for a 1st down. Amazing.

[24champ]

Demarco Murray is out for the National Championship game.

Going to be even tougher for Chokelahoma to beat UF. :D

[SoonerBronco]

Demarco Murray is out for the National Championship game.

Going to be even tougher for Chokelahoma to beat UF. :D

Have you not seen the other backs we have on roster?

[TheChamp24]

OU will miss Murray's big play capability IMO. However, I don't think it will hurt as much as some may think.
Brown is still an excellent back, and Madu is adequate enough as well.

[Inkana7]

Madu looked good against Missouri.

But Florida is NO Missouri.