Porter empathizes with Burress, defends athletes' need for guns

[Majik]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3758183

[Majik]

Majik: Thank you for taking the time to sit down and discuss Plaxico Burress' predicament.

Porter: No problem man, it's a pleasure to be here.

Porter: Plaxico is like a brother to me. I take it real personal how he's being treated.

Majik: I respect that, go on.

Porter: Everybody has their mistakes, but that's exactly what they are ... Until you've been in that situation, when you've been robbed at gunpoint or you've had a gun waved in your face or had your house broken into before or been carjacked, you really don't know what it's like.

Majik: You are right, I have no idea.

Porter: For a person to carry a gun, I mean, you're not carrying a gun to show that 'I'm tough.' It's safety, it's nothing but safety.

Majik: I understand, but isn't there more logical ways to go about this, lets say body guards? You do have the money to hire them, dont you?

[Porter said he does not have a bodyguard, but acknowledged that he owns a firearm, and has a permit to carry a concealed weapon in California, but not in Florida.]

Porter: I'm not saying I'm walking down the street with a handgun on my hip. I'm not doing it for show. It's not fun. Hopefully, in my lifetime, I never have to use it.

Majik: Oh.

Porter: I'd rather get caught and take the little penalty from the media, whatever the situation may be, than not have a chance to save my life.

Majik: No doubt, I understand what you are trying to say. Now that W. is going to be out of office the beginning of 09, hopefully America can finally get the change it needs.

Porter: Exactly, I support President elect Obama 110%, he's exactly the change this country needs.

Majik: I find it kinda ironic you would say that, you do realize Obama has been an advocate of banning gun control from as far back as 1996.

Porter: My bad, I was not aware of that. I gotta go.

[Porter gets up and begins to walk out]

Majik: Mr. Porter sir this interview is going to cost, $20,000.

Porter: Oh hell no, for what?

Majik: For President elect Obama's redistribution of wealth.

Majik: Spread the wealth, mutha f***er!!!!

[FantomForce]

Porter is an idiot!

[Boss Man]

Roger Goodell's statement was a pretty ignorant one... When he said "If you need a gun you shouldnt be there."

Well im pretty sure Sean Taylor was minding his own buisness at his own home, when he was shot and killed.

[Majik]

Roger Goodell's statement was a pretty ignorant one... When he said "If you need a gun you shouldnt be there."

Well im pretty sure Sean Taylor was minding his own buisness at his own home, when he was shot and killed.


great point, i guess according to Goodell he shouldn't have been there. Goodell has an endless abyss of ignorance.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Plax is an idiot and Porter is a bigger ****ing idiot for agreeing with him

[BroncoMan4ever]

Roger Goodell's statement was a pretty ignorant one... When he said "If you need a gun you shouldnt be there."

Well im pretty sure Sean Taylor was minding his own buisness at his own home, when he was shot and killed.

He wasn't saying it is wrong for you to own a gun, he was saying that if you are going out to a club and think you need a gun for protection because you might get your ass shot, you should keep your ass home or go somewhere else you won't need a gun.

also the Taylor thins is a completely different thing. he wasn't out in places where he would get into trouble or possibly need a gun or get shot. he was in an unfortunate incident where he was shot, he wasn't a douche out looking for trouble

[Bronx33]

See what porter doesn't understand is the need for a brain in order to be smart enough to not bring it or go to places where you feel the need to need a weapon. Simple put ( grow the **** up) and quit pretending you're some kinda gangbanger that needs a gun in order to feel tough, the only thing a gun will do is get you shot or you kill somebody else and those folks are usually inoccent bystanders or your leg because you have zero clue how to handle a gun in the first place.

[Northman]

He wasn't saying it is wrong for you to own a gun, he was saying that if you are going out to a club and think you need a gun for protection because you might get your ass shot, you should keep your ass home or go somewhere else you won't need a gun.

also the Taylor thins is a completely different thing. he wasn't out in places where he would get into trouble or possibly need a gun or get shot. he was in an unfortunate incident where he was shot, he wasn't a douche out looking for trouble

On the flipside though Taylor had run-ins before with trouble and the law regarding guns. I guess im the only one thats surprised that trouble found him at the worst of times.

[Atwater His Ass]

great point, i guess according to Goodell he shouldn't have been there. Goodell has an endless abyss of ignorance.

Roger Goodell's statement was a pretty ignorant one... When he said "If you need a gun you shouldnt be there."

Well im pretty sure Sean Taylor was minding his own buisness at his own home, when he was shot and killed.

You guys can't really be this stupid can you?

[BroncoMan4ever]

On the flipside though Taylor had run-ins before with trouble and the law regarding guns. I guess im the only one thats surprised that trouble found him at the worst of times.

sure he had trouble in the past and had started to move on and get his **** together, he wasn't out at clubs with a gun down his pants like a dumbass, causing trouble. he was home, rehabbing a football injury and bad **** happened.
also, there has been nothing to say that the people who shot him were people he pissed off in the past or that they even meant to kill him. they shot him in the leg and happened to hit his femoral artery, if they meant to kill him, they would have shot him in the chest or head.

Sean Taylor just was in the wrong place at the wrong time, Plax was just being a giant douche.

[Majik]

You guys can't really be this stupid can you?

i wasn't being serious :wiggle:

[Los Broncos]

No problem if you want to protect yourself just get your gun registered!

[Majik]

No problem if you want to protect yourself just get your gun registered!

not according to Obama. :approve:

[~Crash~]

He wasn't saying it is wrong for you to own a gun, he was saying that if you are going out to a club and think you need a gun for protection because you might get your ass shot, you should keep your ass home or go somewhere else you won't need a gun.

also the Taylor thins is a completely different thing. he wasn't out in places where he would get into trouble or possibly need a gun or get shot. he was in an unfortunate incident where he was shot, he wasn't a douche out looking for trouble

let me get this straght lol you are saying Pro players should not be able to go out and do what they want ??? hmm you got to be kidding right ?

[David Wooderson]

Guns are to protect us from the goverment.

[yavoon]

let me get this straght lol you are saying Pro players should not be able to go out and do what they want ??? hmm you got to be kidding right ?

why doesn't peyton manning need to packing a firearm in his pants?

[~Crash~]

they are making way to much of this whole thing . It is not like he was trying to break laws . this guy is not a thug he was packing in NY I damn well would there myself looks like he messed up not getting license but the BS of him getting into major trouble is chicken crap

[~Crash~]

Guns are to protect us from the goverment.

no guns are to shoot crazy mother ****ers like you lol:thumbsup:

[yavoon]

they are making way to much of this whole thing . It is not like he was trying to break laws . this guy is not a thug he was packing in NY I damn well would there myself looks like he messed up not getting license but the BS of him getting into major trouble is chicken crap

you would illegally carry a firearm in a state w/ a multiyear mandatory sentence? I don't think you can afford the lawyers plax can.

[Majik]

why doesn't peyton manning need to packing a firearm in his pants?

:notworthy

[Majik]

you would illegally carry a firearm in a state w/ a multiyear mandatory sentence? I don't think you can afford the lawyers plax can.

lol sounds like someone wouldn't be going to white-collar resort prison. Oh no. They'd going to federal POUND ME IN THE ASS prison.

[~Crash~]

you would illegally carry a firearm in a state w/ a multiyear mandatory sentence? I don't think you can afford the lawyers plax can.

HM I think you did not read my post I thought I said yes he messed up and should of got a license but he was not packing to break laws ! they are ****ed up in NY I would not live in that crap hole but if I did I would go get a license then I would pack the biggest gun they make it use to be 454 cacule they make in Freedom Wyoming close to were I use to go Elk hunting .

[Popps]

Roger Goodell's statement was a pretty ignorant one... When he said "If you need a gun you shouldnt be there."

Well im pretty sure Sean Taylor was minding his own buisness at his own home, when he was shot and killed.

Yea, I think that's playing with words a little bit.

Goddell wasn't saying that an athlete shouldn't own a licensed weapon for home protection. He was saying these dum****s should have a glock stuck in their underwear in a nightclub.

Just a wee-bit different.

[azbroncfan]

HM I think you did not read my post I thought I said yes he messed up and should of got a license but he was not packing to break laws ! they are ****ed up in NY I would not live in that crap hole but if I did I would go get a license then I would pack the biggest gun they make it use to be 454 cacule they make in Freedom Wyoming close to were I use to go Elk hunting .

He would be in regardless if he had a conceal carry permit and I highly doubt NY allows concealed weapons.

[David Wooderson]

A. Guns save more lives than they take; prevent more injuries than they inflict

* Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year -- or about 6,850 times a day.1 This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.2
* Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8% of the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker.3
* As many as 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend themselves against sexual abuse.4
* Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of "Guns in America" -- a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.5
* Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606).6 And readers of Newsweek learned that "only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The 'error rate' for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high."7
* Handguns are the weapon of choice for self-defense. Citizens use handguns to protect themselves over 1.9 million times a year.8 Many of these self-defense handguns could be labeled as "Saturday Night Specials."
B. Concealed carry laws help reduce crime

* Nationwide: one-half million self-defense uses. Every year, as many as one-half million citizens defend themselves with a firearm away from home.9
* Concealed carry laws are dropping crime rates across the country. A comprehensive national study determined in 1996 that violent crime fell after states made it legal to carry concealed firearms. The results of the study showed:
* States which passed concealed carry laws reduced their murder rate by 8.5%, rapes by 5%, aggravated assaults by 7% and robbery by 3%;10 and
* If those states not having concealed carry laws had adopted such laws in 1992, then approximately 1,570 murders, 4,177 rapes, 60,000 aggravated assaults and over 11,000 robberies would have been avoided yearly.11
* Vermont: one of the safest five states in the country. In Vermont, citizens can carry a firearm without getting permission... without paying a fee... or without going through any kind of government-imposed waiting period. And yet for ten years in a row, Vermont has remained one of the top-five, safest states in the union -- having three times received the "Safest State Award."12
* Florida: concealed carry helps slash the murder rates in the state. In the fifteen years following the passage of Florida's concealed carry law in 1987, over 800,000 permits to carry firearms were issued to people in the state.13 FBI reports show that the homicide rate in Florida, which in 1987 was much higher than the national average, fell 52% during that 15-year period -- thus putting the Florida rate below the national average. 14
* Do firearms carry laws result in chaos? No. Consider the case of Florida. A citizen in the Sunshine State is far more likely to be attacked by an alligator than to be assaulted by a concealed carry holder.
1. During the first fifteen years that the Florida law was in effect, alligator attacks outpaced the number of crimes committed by carry holders by a 229 to 155 margin.
2. And even the 155 "crimes" committed by concealed carry permit holders are somewhat misleading as most of these infractions resulted from Floridians who accidentally carried their firearms into restricted areas, such as an airport.15
C. Criminals avoid armed citizens

* Kennesaw, GA. In 1982, this suburb of Atlanta passed a law requiring heads of households to keep at least one firearm in the house. The residential burglary rate subsequently dropped 89% in Kennesaw, compared to the modest 10.4% drop in Georgia as a whole.16
* Ten years later (1991), the residential burglary rate in Kennesaw was still 72% lower than it had been in 1981, before the law was passed.17
* Nationwide. Statistical comparisons with other countries show that burglars in the United States are far less apt to enter an occupied home than their foreign counterparts who live in countries where fewer civilians own firearms. Consider the following rates showing how often a homeowner is present when a burglar strikes:
* Homeowner occupancy rate in the gun control countries of Great Britain, Canada and Netherlands: 45% (average of the three countries); and,
* Homeowner occupancy rate in the United States: 12.7%.18
Rapes averted when women carry or use firearms for protection
* Orlando, FL. In 1966-67, the media highly publicized a safety course which taught Orlando women how to use guns. The result: Orlando's rape rate dropped 88% in 1967, whereas the rape rate remained constant in the rest of Florida and the nation.19
* Nationwide. In 1979, the Carter Justice Department found that of more than 32,000 attempted rapes, 32% were actually committed. But when a woman was armed with a gun or knife, only 3% of the attempted rapes were actually successful.20
Justice Department study:
* 3/5 of felons polled agreed that "a criminal is not going to mess around with a victim he knows is armed with a gun."21
* 74% of felons polled agreed that "one reason burglars avoid houses when people are at home is that they fear being shot during the crime."22
* 57% of felons polled agreed that "criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police."23

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1 Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, "Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense With a Gun," 86 The Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, Northwestern University School of Law, 1 (Fall 1995):164.
Dr. Kleck is a professor in the school of criminology and criminal justice at Florida State University in Tallahassee. He has researched extensively and published several essays on the gun control issue. His book, Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America, has become a widely cited source in the gun control debate. In fact, this book earned Dr. Kleck the prestigious American Society of Criminology Michael J. Hindelang award for 1993. This award is given for the book published in the past two to three years that makes the most outstanding contribution to criminology.
Even those who don't like the conclusions Dr. Kleck reaches, cannot argue with his impeccable research and methodology. In "A Tribute to a View I Have Opposed," Marvin E. Wolfgang writes that, "What troubles me is the article by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz. The reason I am troubled is that they have provided an almost clear-cut case of methodologically sound research in support of something I have theoretically opposed for years, namely, the use of a gun in defense against a criminal perpetrator.... I have to admit my admiration for the care and caution expressed in this article and this research. Can it be true that about two million instances occur each year in which a gun was used as a defensive measure against crime? It is hard to believe. Yet, it is hard to challenge the data collected. We do not have contrary evidence." Wolfgang, "A Tribute to a View I Have Opposed," The Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, at 188.
Wolfgang says there is no "contrary evidence." Indeed, there are more than a dozen national polls -- one of which was conducted by The Los Angeles Times -- that have found figures comparable to the Kleck-Gertz study. Even the Clinton Justice Department (through the National Institute of Justice) found there were as many as 1.5 million defensive users of firearms every year. See National Institute of Justice, "Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms," Research in Brief (May 1997).
As for Dr. Kleck, readers of his materials may be interested to know that he is a member of the ACLU, Amnesty International USA, and Common Cause. He is not and has never been a member of or contributor to any advocacy group on either side of the gun control debate.
2 According to the National Safety Council, the total number of gun deaths (by accidents, suicides and homicides) account for less than 30,000 deaths per year. See Injury Facts, published yearly by the National Safety Council, Itasca, Illinois.
3Kleck and Gertz, "Armed Resistance to Crime," at 173, 185.
4Kleck and Gertz, "Armed Resistance to Crime," at 185.
5 Philip J. Cook and Jens Ludwig, "Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms," NIJ Research in Brief (May 1997); available at http://www.ncjrs.org/txtfiles/165476.txt on the internet. The finding of 1.5 million yearly self-defense cases did not sit well with the anti-gun bias of the study's authors, who attempted to explain why there could not possibly be one and a half million cases of self-defense every year. Nevertheless, the 1.5 million figure is consistent with a mountain of independent surveys showing similar figures. The sponsors of these studies -- nearly a dozen -- are quite varied, and include anti-gun organizations, news media organizations, governments and commercial polling firms. See also Kleck and Gertz, supra note 1, pp. 182-183.
6Kleck, Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America, (1991):111-116, 148.
7George F. Will, "Are We 'a Nation of Cowards'?," Newsweek (15 November 1993):93.
8Id. at 164, 185.
9Dr. Gary Kleck, interview with J. Neil Schulman, "Q and A: Guns, crime and self-defense," The Orange County Register (19 September 1993). In the interview with Schulman, Dr. Kleck reports on findings from a national survey which he and Dr. Marc Gertz conducted in Spring, 1993 -- a survey which findings were reported in Kleck and Gertz, "Armed Resistance to Crime." br>10 One of the authors of the University of Chicago study reported on the study's findings in John R. Lott, Jr., "More Guns, Less Violent Crime," The Wall Street Journal (28 August 1996). See also John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, "Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns," University of Chicago (15 August 1996); and Lott, More Guns, Less Crime (1998, 2000).
11Lott and Mustard, "Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns."
12Kathleen O'Leary Morgan, Scott Morgan and Neal Quitno, "Rankings of States in Most Dangerous/Safest State Awards 1994 to 2003," Morgan Quitno Press (2004) at http://www.statestats.com/dang9403.htm. Morgan Quitno Press is an independent private research and publishing company which was founded in 1989. The company specializes in reference books and monthly reports that compare states and cities in several different subject areas. In the first 10 years in which they published their Safest State Award, Vermont has consistently remained one of the top five safest states.
13Memo by Jim Smith, Secretary of State, Florida Department of State, Division of Licensing, Concealed Weapons/Firearms License Statistical Report (October 1, 2002).
14Florida's murder rate was 11.4 per 100,000 in 1987, but only 5.5 in 2002. Compare Federal Bureau of Investigation, "Crime in the United States," Uniform Crime Reports, (1988): 7, 53; and FBI, (2003):19, 79.
15 John R. Lott, Jr., "Right to carry would disprove horror stories," Kansas City Star, (July 12, 2003).
16Gary Kleck, "Crime Control Through the Private Use of Armed Force," Social Problems 35 (February 1988):15.
17Compare Kleck, "Crime Control," at 15, and Chief Dwaine L. Wilson, City of Kennesaw Police Department, "Month to Month Statistics: 1991." (Residential burglary rates from 1981-1991 are based on statistics for the months of March - October.)
18Kleck, Point Blank, at 140.
19Kleck, "Crime Control," at 13.
20U.S. Department of Justice, Law Enforcement Assistance Administration, Rape Victimization in 26 American Cities (1979), p. 31.
21U.S., Department of Justice, National Institute of Justice, "The Armed Criminal in America: A Survey of Incarcerated Felons," Research Report (July 1985): 27.
22Id.
23Id.

[Majik]

A. Guns save more lives than they take; prevent more injuries than they inflict

* Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year -- or about 6,850 times a day.1 This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.2
* Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8% of the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker.3
* As many as 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend themselves against sexual abuse.4
* Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of "Guns in America" -- a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.5
* Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606).6 And readers of Newsweek learned that "only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The 'error rate' for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high."7
* Handguns are the weapon of choice for self-defense. Citizens use handguns to protect themselves over 1.9 million times a year.8 Many of these self-defense handguns could be labeled as "Saturday Night Specials."
B. Concealed carry laws help reduce crime

* Nationwide: one-half million self-defense uses. Every year, as many as one-half million citizens defend themselves with a firearm away from home.9
* Concealed carry laws are dropping crime rates across the country. A comprehensive national study determined in 1996 that violent crime fell after states made it legal to carry concealed firearms. The results of the study showed:
* States which passed concealed carry laws reduced their murder rate by 8.5%, rapes by 5%, aggravated assaults by 7% and robbery by 3%;10 and
* If those states not having concealed carry laws had adopted such laws in 1992, then approximately 1,570 murders, 4,177 rapes, 60,000 aggravated assaults and over 11,000 robberies would have been avoided yearly.11
* Vermont: one of the safest five states in the country. In Vermont, citizens can carry a firearm without getting permission... without paying a fee... or without going through any kind of government-imposed waiting period. And yet for ten years in a row, Vermont has remained one of the top-five, safest states in the union -- having three times received the "Safest State Award."12
* Florida: concealed carry helps slash the murder rates in the state. In the fifteen years following the passage of Florida's concealed carry law in 1987, over 800,000 permits to carry firearms were issued to people in the state.13 FBI reports show that the homicide rate in Florida, which in 1987 was much higher than the national average, fell 52% during that 15-year period -- thus putting the Florida rate below the national average. 14
* Do firearms carry laws result in chaos? No. Consider the case of Florida. A citizen in the Sunshine State is far more likely to be attacked by an alligator than to be assaulted by a concealed carry holder.
1. During the first fifteen years that the Florida law was in effect, alligator attacks outpaced the number of crimes committed by carry holders by a 229 to 155 margin.
2. And even the 155 "crimes" committed by concealed carry permit holders are somewhat misleading as most of these infractions resulted from Floridians who accidentally carried their firearms into restricted areas, such as an airport.15
C. Criminals avoid armed citizens

* Kennesaw, GA. In 1982, this suburb of Atlanta passed a law requiring heads of households to keep at least one firearm in the house. The residential burglary rate subsequently dropped 89% in Kennesaw, compared to the modest 10.4% drop in Georgia as a whole.16
* Ten years later (1991), the residential burglary rate in Kennesaw was still 72% lower than it had been in 1981, before the law was passed.17
* Nationwide. Statistical comparisons with other countries show that burglars in the United States are far less apt to enter an occupied home than their foreign counterparts who live in countries where fewer civilians own firearms. Consider the following rates showing how often a homeowner is present when a burglar strikes:
* Homeowner occupancy rate in the gun control countries of Great Britain, Canada and Netherlands: 45% (average of the three countries); and,
* Homeowner occupancy rate in the United States: 12.7%.18
Rapes averted when women carry or use firearms for protection
* Orlando, FL. In 1966-67, the media highly publicized a safety course which taught Orlando women how to use guns. The result: Orlando's rape rate dropped 88% in 1967, whereas the rape rate remained constant in the rest of Florida and the nation.19
* Nationwide. In 1979, the Carter Justice Department found that of more than 32,000 attempted rapes, 32% were actually committed. But when a woman was armed with a gun or knife, only 3% of the attempted rapes were actually successful.20
Justice Department study:
* 3/5 of felons polled agreed that "a criminal is not going to mess around with a victim he knows is armed with a gun."21
* 74% of felons polled agreed that "one reason burglars avoid houses when people are at home is that they fear being shot during the crime."22
* 57% of felons polled agreed that "criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police."23

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1 Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz, "Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense With a Gun," 86 The Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, Northwestern University School of Law, 1 (Fall 1995):164.
Dr. Kleck is a professor in the school of criminology and criminal justice at Florida State University in Tallahassee. He has researched extensively and published several essays on the gun control issue. His book, Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America, has become a widely cited source in the gun control debate. In fact, this book earned Dr. Kleck the prestigious American Society of Criminology Michael J. Hindelang award for 1993. This award is given for the book published in the past two to three years that makes the most outstanding contribution to criminology.
Even those who don't like the conclusions Dr. Kleck reaches, cannot argue with his impeccable research and methodology. In "A Tribute to a View I Have Opposed," Marvin E. Wolfgang writes that, "What troubles me is the article by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz. The reason I am troubled is that they have provided an almost clear-cut case of methodologically sound research in support of something I have theoretically opposed for years, namely, the use of a gun in defense against a criminal perpetrator.... I have to admit my admiration for the care and caution expressed in this article and this research. Can it be true that about two million instances occur each year in which a gun was used as a defensive measure against crime? It is hard to believe. Yet, it is hard to challenge the data collected. We do not have contrary evidence." Wolfgang, "A Tribute to a View I Have Opposed," The Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, at 188.
Wolfgang says there is no "contrary evidence." Indeed, there are more than a dozen national polls -- one of which was conducted by The Los Angeles Times -- that have found figures comparable to the Kleck-Gertz study. Even the Clinton Justice Department (through the National Institute of Justice) found there were as many as 1.5 million defensive users of firearms every year. See National Institute of Justice, "Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms," Research in Brief (May 1997).
As for Dr. Kleck, readers of his materials may be interested to know that he is a member of the ACLU, Amnesty International USA, and Common Cause. He is not and has never been a member of or contributor to any advocacy group on either side of the gun control debate.
2 According to the National Safety Council, the total number of gun deaths (by accidents, suicides and homicides) account for less than 30,000 deaths per year. See Injury Facts, published yearly by the National Safety Council, Itasca, Illinois.
3Kleck and Gertz, "Armed Resistance to Crime," at 173, 185.
4Kleck and Gertz, "Armed Resistance to Crime," at 185.
5 Philip J. Cook and Jens Ludwig, "Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms," NIJ Research in Brief (May 1997); available at http://www.ncjrs.org/txtfiles/165476.txt on the internet. The finding of 1.5 million yearly self-defense cases did not sit well with the anti-gun bias of the study's authors, who attempted to explain why there could not possibly be one and a half million cases of self-defense every year. Nevertheless, the 1.5 million figure is consistent with a mountain of independent surveys showing similar figures. The sponsors of these studies -- nearly a dozen -- are quite varied, and include anti-gun organizations, news media organizations, governments and commercial polling firms. See also Kleck and Gertz, supra note 1, pp. 182-183.
6Kleck, Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America, (1991):111-116, 148.
7George F. Will, "Are We 'a Nation of Cowards'?," Newsweek (15 November 1993):93.
8Id. at 164, 185.
9Dr. Gary Kleck, interview with J. Neil Schulman, "Q and A: Guns, crime and self-defense," The Orange County Register (19 September 1993). In the interview with Schulman, Dr. Kleck reports on findings from a national survey which he and Dr. Marc Gertz conducted in Spring, 1993 -- a survey which findings were reported in Kleck and Gertz, "Armed Resistance to Crime." br>10 One of the authors of the University of Chicago study reported on the study's findings in John R. Lott, Jr., "More Guns, Less Violent Crime," The Wall Street Journal (28 August 1996). See also John R. Lott, Jr. and David B. Mustard, "Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns," University of Chicago (15 August 1996); and Lott, More Guns, Less Crime (1998, 2000).
11Lott and Mustard, "Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns."
12Kathleen O'Leary Morgan, Scott Morgan and Neal Quitno, "Rankings of States in Most Dangerous/Safest State Awards 1994 to 2003," Morgan Quitno Press (2004) at http://www.statestats.com/dang9403.htm. Morgan Quitno Press is an independent private research and publishing company which was founded in 1989. The company specializes in reference books and monthly reports that compare states and cities in several different subject areas. In the first 10 years in which they published their Safest State Award, Vermont has consistently remained one of the top five safest states.
13Memo by Jim Smith, Secretary of State, Florida Department of State, Division of Licensing, Concealed Weapons/Firearms License Statistical Report (October 1, 2002).
14Florida's murder rate was 11.4 per 100,000 in 1987, but only 5.5 in 2002. Compare Federal Bureau of Investigation, "Crime in the United States," Uniform Crime Reports, (1988): 7, 53; and FBI, (2003):19, 79.
15 John R. Lott, Jr., "Right to carry would disprove horror stories," Kansas City Star, (July 12, 2003).
16Gary Kleck, "Crime Control Through the Private Use of Armed Force," Social Problems 35 (February 1988):15.
17Compare Kleck, "Crime Control," at 15, and Chief Dwaine L. Wilson, City of Kennesaw Police Department, "Month to Month Statistics: 1991." (Residential burglary rates from 1981-1991 are based on statistics for the months of March - October.)
18Kleck, Point Blank, at 140.
19Kleck, "Crime Control," at 13.
20U.S. Department of Justice, Law Enforcement Assistance Administration, Rape Victimization in 26 American Cities (1979), p. 31.
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It's unfortunate that our soon to be President, wants to take all that away from us.

[BroncoMan4ever]

let me get this straght lol you are saying Pro players should not be able to go out and do what they want ??? hmm you got to be kidding right ?

no, if you had read and comprehended what was written you would see that i am saying that instead of going to a place where you think you might need a gun, that you should either stay home or go somewhere else you don't need the gun

and not only pro players, ANYONE. if you are so worried about something going down at a place you're going to that you need to be packing heat, go somewhere else or stay home.

[BroncoMan4ever]

why doesn't peyton manning need to packing a firearm in his pants?

damn right!:thumbs:

[BroncoMan4ever]

It's unfortunate that our soon to be President, wants to take all that away from us.

yeah we should have elected McCain's ancient ass that more than likely will drop dead within the next 4 years and had he been elected would have meant Palin running the country.

and then we could be involved in a useless war for the NEXT 100 YEARS(his words not mine) and having another 4 years of Bush policies, but that is all just fine because we won't have any gun laws changed.



are you seriously that blind to see what McCain/Palin would have done to this nation?

[Spider]

I can see a need for a Gun for Pro athletes , but not in Bars , if he has to take a gun to be there , he doesnt need to be there in the first place

[Spider]

no, if you had read and comprehended what was written you would see that i am saying that instead of going to a place where you think you might need a gun, that you should either stay home or go somewhere else you don't need the gun

and not only pro players, ANYONE. if you are so worried about something going down at a place you're going to that you need to be packing heat, go somewhere else or stay home.

Spot on post ...........

[footstepsfrom#27]

no, if you had read and comprehended what was written you would see that i am saying that instead of going to a place where you think you might need a gun, that you should either stay home or go somewhere else you don't need the gun

and not only pro players, ANYONE. if you are so worried about something going down at a place you're going to that you need to be packing heat, go somewhere else or stay home.
In theory I agree with you except for one thing; pro athetes, simply by virtue of their high visibility and the amount of money they make are almost automatic potential targets no matter where they go. I own a handgun and a permit to carry it concealed. I don't go to clubs so that's not an issue but the reason I have this thing is beause I've been robbed at gun point with a .45 in my face. I was 40 feet from my front door when this happened so I can have a certain amount of sympathy for a guy who knows he's a possible victim at any moment. Factor in growing up in a high crime area where you see people shot on a regular basis and it ought to be easier to understand why somebody like Burress might routinely carry a gun. Where he made his mistake however is failing to consider the gun laws in New York. Bad judgement...sure...but let's not make it more than that.

[Spider]

In theory I agree with you except for one thing; pro athetes, simply by virtue of their high visibility and the amount of money they make are almost automatic potential targets no matter where they go. I own a handgun and a permit to carry it concealed. I don't go to clubs so that's not an issue but the reason I have this thing is beause I've been robbed at gun point with a .45 in my face. I was 40 feet from my front door when this happened so I can have a certain amount of sympathy for a guy who knows he's a possible victim at any moment. Factor in growing up in a high crime area where you see people shot on a regular basis and it ought to be easier to understand why somebody like Burress might routinely carry a gun. Where he made his mistake however is failing to consider the gun laws in New York. Bad judgement...sure...but let's not make it more than that.

I carry millions of dollars worth of goods into some of the worst places in every city , I am not allowed a fire arm in my truck ........every company tells you dont be a hero for freight , thats all good , but they dont stop at freight , they come right to the cab , I keep a lead pipe next to my drivers seat , I wont hesitate for a second to use it .........

[footstepsfrom#27]

I carry millions of dollars worth of goods into some of the worst places in every city , I am not allowed a fire arm in my truck ........every company tells you dont be a hero for freight , thats all good , but they dont stop at freight , they come right to the cab , I keep a lead pipe next to my drivers seat , I wont hesitate for a second to use it .........
All well and good but bringing a pipe to a gunfight will make you a probable statistic. Your company and their policy is designed for concern about their liability, not your life.

[Spider]

All well and good but bringing a pipe to a gunfight will make you a probable statistic. Your company and their policy is designed for concern about their liability, not your life.

well i am still going , havent lost yet , end of discussion

[yavoon]

In theory I agree with you except for one thing; pro athetes, simply by virtue of their high visibility and the amount of money they make are almost automatic potential targets no matter where they go. I own a handgun and a permit to carry it concealed. I don't go to clubs so that's not an issue but the reason I have this thing is beause I've been robbed at gun point with a .45 in my face. I was 40 feet from my front door when this happened so I can have a certain amount of sympathy for a guy who knows he's a possible victim at any moment. Factor in growing up in a high crime area where you see people shot on a regular basis and it ought to be easier to understand why somebody like Burress might routinely carry a gun. Where he made his mistake however is failing to consider the gun laws in New York. Bad judgement...sure...but let's not make it more than that.

there's plenty of famous and rich people who don't have guns stuffed down their pants. though just to be sure maybe someone should check kate winslet.

[footstepsfrom#27]

there's plenty of famous and rich people who don't have guns stuffed down their pants. though just to be sure maybe someone should check kate winslet.
True...but most of them don't elicit a hyper-macho need for trying to prove something from every two bit hood with an inflated ego. Nobody's interested in finding out whether Bill Gates can take a punch or not.

[BroncoMan4ever]

In theory I agree with you except for one thing; pro athetes, simply by virtue of their high visibility and the amount of money they make are almost automatic potential targets no matter where they go. I own a handgun and a permit to carry it concealed. I don't go to clubs so that's not an issue but the reason I have this thing is beause I've been robbed at gun point with a .45 in my face. I was 40 feet from my front door when this happened so I can have a certain amount of sympathy for a guy who knows he's a possible victim at any moment. Factor in growing up in a high crime area where you see people shot on a regular basis and it ought to be easier to understand why somebody like Burress might routinely carry a gun. Where he made his mistake however is failing to consider the gun laws in New York. Bad judgement...sure...but let's not make it more than that.


i don't agree that he routinely carries it, because if he did, he wouldn't have shot himself, he would have known how to handle the gun, which obviously he didn't because he shot himself. he was out and for the reason of maybe wanting to feel like a man, or to start some **** he decided to carry a gun.

seriously, how many people that carry a gun, don't have the safety on? if you are going to stuff a gun down your pants without the safety on, you are trying to be cool or whatever and are NOT accustomed to carrying the gun.

i understand people wanting to be safe. i am all for people carrying a gun if they know how to use it, it is legal, and they aren't out being stupid about having a gun. For example, i know a few women who carry a small gun in their purse for when they leave work at night, i know guys who have a license to carry a gun and have one in their car or on them when the leave the house.

the thing is, these people i know and most people who carry guns aren't stupid about it. they aren't going into high profile places doing god knows what with the gun

and i would think you as well aren't out at a club or wherever waving it around, trying to act like a man because you have a gun. but are a dude who wants to be safe, also i am willing to bet you don't have your gun stuffed into your pants with the safety off. you more than likely have a holster for it, and it is secure and not going to go off accidentally

[footstepsfrom#27]

i don't agree that he routinely carries it, because if he did, he wouldn't have shot himself, he would have known how to handle the gun, which obviously he didn't because he shot himself. he was out and for the reason of maybe wanting to feel like a man, or to start some **** he decided to carry a gun.

seriously, how many people that carry a gun, don't have the safety on? if you are going to stuff a gun down your pants without the safety on, you are trying to be cool or whatever and are NOT accustomed to carrying the gun.

i understand people wanting to be safe. i am all for people carrying a gun if they know how to use it, it is legal, and they aren't out being stupid about having a gun. For example, i know a few women who carry a small gun in their purse for when they leave work at night, i know guys who have a license to carry a gun and have one in their car or on them when the leave the house.

the thing is, these people i know and most people who carry guns aren't stupid about it. they aren't going into high profile places doing god knows what with the gun

and i would think you as well aren't out at a club or wherever waving it around, trying to act like a man because you have a gun. but are a dude who wants to be safe, also i am willing to bet you don't have your gun stuffed into your pants with the safety off. you more than likely have a holster for it, and it is secure and not going to go off accidentally
I didn't say Burress routinely carries a gun. I said "...it ought to be easier to understand why somebody like Burress might routinely carry a gun." My point was that pro athletes in general might feel more threatened than Joe 6-pack when out in public. And you're right...it sounds like he's not accustomed to carrying one, or possibly he had more than enough to drink...either situation makes being in possession of a gun a dangerous risk. I'm not necessarily arguing in favor of his actions in this particular situation, just pointing out that from the standpoint of how people perceive their own safety risk it would influence that decision. Grow up in the projects and watch a lot of people gunned down...then become instantly wealthy and a possible target...I can understand why somebody would feel the need to carry a gun routinely. He obviously made a huge mistake in doing so in New York and in doing so in an unsafe manner.

[Meck77]

I carry millions of dollars worth of goods into some of the worst places in every city , I am not allowed a fire arm in my truck ........every company tells you dont be a hero for freight , thats all good , but they dont stop at freight , they come right to the cab , I keep a lead pipe next to my drivers seat , I wont hesitate for a second to use it .........

Are idiots freight jacking at gun point now?

[TheReverend]

why doesn't peyton manning need to packing a firearm in his pants?

He does. What do you think he was talking about when he said "lazer, rocket arm" in that commercial?

[Majik]

Everybody knows the cannon Peyton has, nobody gonna **** with that.

[Kaylore]

I can see a need for a Gun for Pro athletes , but not in Bars , if he has to take a gun to be there , he doesnt need to be there in the first place

That's what it comes down to. The entire concept is incredibly stupid. What is this guy's thought process? "hmmm. This bar is pretty shady. I might get jacked. Sounds like the place for me! I'll just take my piece with me. I'll need to hide it though....hmmm....I know! I'll wear some sweatpants so it's hard to see. Baggy sweat pants at a club. That's not suspicious at all. I'm so friggin' awesome!"

:dummy:

[yavoon]

He does. What do you think he was talking about when he said "lazer, rocket arm" in that commercial?

win.

[Dedhed]

Roger Goodell's statement was a pretty ignorant one... When he said "If you need a gun you shouldnt be there."

Well im pretty sure Sean Taylor was minding his own buisness at his own home, when he was shot and killed.

Not even in the same realm. This is classic idiocy.

[socalorado]

I didn't say Burress routinely carries a gun. I said "...it ought to be easier to understand why somebody like Burress might routinely carry a gun." My point was that pro athletes in general might feel more threatened than Joe 6-pack when out in public. And you're right...it sounds like he's not accustomed to carrying one, or possibly he had more than enough to drink...either situation makes being in possession of a gun a dangerous risk. I'm not necessarily arguing in favor of his actions in this particular situation, just pointing out that from the standpoint of how people perceive their own safety risk it would influence that decision. Grow up in the projects and watch a lot of people gunned down...then become instantly wealthy and a possible target...I can understand why somebody would feel the need to carry a gun routinely. He obviously made a huge mistake in doing so in New York and in doing so in an unsafe manner.

Burress does have a gun permit in Florida.
He has had it for years. he didnt understand the law as it applied to NY. No excuse.
I think it was Brandon Meriweather who had a concealed gun permit, got robbed at a freinds house in miami, and went out and fired off the entire clip at the get away car. Cops came, he told them what happened, and i believe he was never charged.

[TheReverend]

I'm a big constitutional rights guy.

...but I think they should be situational.

For example, in highschool you should be required to take an IQ test every year. At graduation, they should take your cum. ave. and then you'll grade out to receive different rights.

IE:
125+ Speech, guns, reproduction, an extra .01 leniency for BAC driving
85- Spade and neutered, no guns or alcohol, shut the **** up in public, and stick to posting on Chief's planet.

[TheReverend]

Also, hot girls are exempt from testing and will continue to be pampered and adored until they hit 35. At that age, testing will be mandatory.

[Denver Crush]

I think this would have been a moot issue had the dumbass had a proper holster to secure the firearm. Handling guns with without proper education equals bad news.

[Beantown Bronco]

Majik: I find it kinda ironic you would say that, you do realize Obama has been an advocate of banning gun control from as far back as 1996.

Interesting choice of words.

Is banning gun control kind of like ending women's suffrage?

[azbroncfan]

Burress does have a gun permit in Florida.
He has had it for years. he didnt understand the law as it applied to NY. No excuse.
I think it was Brandon Meriweather who had a concealed gun permit, got robbed at a freinds house in miami, and went out and fired off the entire clip at the get away car. Cops came, he told them what happened, and i believe he was never charged.

BS, when you get your conceal and carry they tell you what states it is valid in and they also tell you you will be in deep crap for carrying in a place you aren't allowed such as a bar.

[rugbythug]

The real problem is not carrying a gun.



It is shooting yourself in the leg.

[Majik]

I'm a big constitutional rights guy.

...but I think they should be situational.

For example, in highschool you should be required to take an IQ test every year. At graduation, they should take your cum. ave. and then you'll grade out to receive different rights.

IE:
125+ Speech, guns, reproduction, an extra .01 leniency for BAC driving
85- Spade and neutered, no guns or alcohol, shut the **** up in public, and stick to posting on Chief's planet.

Also, hot girls are exempt from testing and will continue to be pampered and adored until they hit 35. At that age, testing will be mandatory.

Win. Major Win. TheReverend is on a roll.

[Garcia Bronco]

Also, hot girls are exempt from testing and will continue to be pampered and adored until they hit 35. At that age, testing will be mandatory.

I am intrigued by your ideas. Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to?

[Kaylore]

Also, hot girls are exempt from testing and will continue to be pampered and adored until they hit 35. At that age, testing will be mandatory.

MILF hater

[TheReverend]

MILF hater

Sigh... there's a reason MILF/Cougar is fun. They've hit their wall, start losing all the attention and ass kissing they're so accustomed to, and now they try to do anything to get it back.

Testing only encourages this behavior.

[socalorado]

BS, when you get your conceal and carry they tell you what states it is valid in and they also tell you you will be in deep crap for carrying in a place you aren't allowed such as a bar.

Burress does have a gun permit in Florida.
He has had it for years. he didnt understand the law as it applied to NY. No excuse.
I think it was Brandon Meriweather who had a concealed gun permit, got robbed at a freinds house in miami, and went out and fired off the entire clip at the get away car. Cops came, he told them what happened, and i believe he was never charged.

Why the BS? I agree and wrote the higlighted area.

[gyldenlove]

The real problem is not carrying a gun.



It is shooting yourself in the leg.

I think there is a cause/effect relationship here, well several. Obviously to shoot yourself in the leg you need a gun, or some other form of projectile weapon like a crossbow, rocket launcher or catapult. However, I think the reason you would carry around such a device stems largely from stupidity.

I have been to many clubs, although never the Latin Quarter, and I have never needed a weapon. In fact, I am fairly certain that Paris Hilton, who is a lot richer than Burress or Porter or both of them combined and I am sure is a lot more famous and will be recoqnized by a lot more people never carries a gun or catapult or crossbow. There is just no need for it unless you get yourself in trouble - by being stupid.

[TheReverend]

I think there is a cause/effect relationship here, well several. Obviously to shoot yourself in the leg you need a gun, or some other form of projectile weapon like a crossbow, rocket launcher or catapult. However, I think the reason you would carry around such a device stems largely from stupidity.

I have been to many clubs, although never the Latin Quarter, and I have never needed a weapon. In fact, I am fairly certain that Paris Hilton, who is a lot richer than Burress or Porter or both of them combined and I am sure is a lot more famous and will be recoqnized by a lot more people never carries a gun or catapult or crossbow. There is just no need for it unless you get yourself in trouble - by being stupid.

Hate to invalidate your argument, but Paris Hilton actually does pack a crossbow.

[gyldenlove]

Hate to invalidate your argument, but Paris Hilton actually does pack a crossbow.

I knew there was a reason she doesn't wear underwear

[~Crash~]

no, if you had read and comprehended what was written you would see that i am saying that instead of going to a place where you think you might need a gun, that you should either stay home or go somewhere else you don't need the gun

and not only pro players, ANYONE. if you are so worried about something going down at a place you're going to that you need to be packing heat, go somewhere else or stay home.


they have to worry about going to the food store !@:thumbsup:

I bet going to the gas stiation is a pian in the ass .

[Beantown Bronco]

In fact, I am fairly certain that Paris Hilton, who is a lot richer than Burress or Porter or both of them combined and I am sure is a lot more famous and will be recoqnized by a lot more people never carries a gun or catapult or crossbow.

The girl can barely carry an Ipod. How on earth is she going to be able to carry a gun?

[Jason in LA]

I don't get why these players continue to hangout at night spots that the common thug can go to. If I'm rich I'm not about to be at the $20 club, that everybody can go to. That's where the thugs go.

If I'm rich, I'm hanging out where ever Denzel Washington hangs out. Or Jack Nicholson, or Jerry Buss. I'm sure those guys are in the most exclusive venues, places where thugs don't go.

Out here in LA, if I was a rich star, I wouldn't be at the clubs off of Hollywood blvd. I'd be hanging with the rich folks, in places that the thugs don't go to.

These athletes can afford to be in the most exclusive places, why don't they just go there?

[Atwater His Ass]

The real problem is not carrying a gun.



It is shooting yourself in the leg.

No. The issue is that he was illegally carrying and concealing a firearm in a crowded public place.

[Bronx33]

No. The issue is that he was illegally carrying and concealing a firearm in a crowded public place.

Hes extremely lucky he didn't hit anybody but the really sad part is he didn't shoot himself in the testicals so he can't reproduce.

[Majik]

I don't get why these players continue to hangout at night spots that the common thug can go to. If I'm rich I'm not about to be at the $20 club, that everybody can go to. That's where the thugs go.

If I'm rich, I'm hanging out where ever Denzel Washington hangs out. Or Jack Nicholson, or Jerry Buss. I'm sure those guys are in the most exclusive venues, places where thugs don't go.

Out here in LA, if I was a rich star, I wouldn't be at the clubs off of Hollywood blvd. I'd be hanging with the rich folks, in places that the thugs don't go to.

These athletes can afford to be in the most exclusive places, why don't they just go there?

Couldn't agree more. You can take a Thug out of the Hood, but you can't take the Hood out of the Thug, this seems to be the problem.

[BroncoMan4ever]

they have to worry about going to the food store !@:thumbsup:

I bet going to the gas stiation is a pian in the ass .

yeah, a lot of those old ladies in motorized carts are crazy...lol

[BroncoMan4ever]

Hes extremely lucky he didn't hit anybody but the really sad part is he didn't shoot himself in the testicals so he can't reproduce.

true, stupidity from his genetics would never be passed on.

[BroncoMan4ever]

i have to wonder why these players all have to go party in the ghetto. they have the money and notoriety that they could party in the best places, with celebrities and other people with money where you don't have to warry about needing a gun to have a god time

[DBroncos4life]

I think we should build different cities based on wealth. Rich people need to have more then the poor thats what makes them better. In fact they should be allowed to hunt poor people like deer.

[Jason in LA]

i have to wonder why these players all have to go party in the ghetto. they have the money and notoriety that they could party in the best places, with celebrities and other people with money where you don't have to warry about needing a gun to have a god time

That's pretty much the point that I made. I wouldn't even say these guys are hanging in the ghetto. In major cities the hot spots where the clubs are aren't really in the ghetto. In LA there aren't really any clubs in Watts or Compton. The clubs are in nicer areas. The thugs will take the show on the road. I'd say that a club that caters to the hip hop crowd (has nothing to do with it being a black crowd because thugs of all races go to the hip hop clubs) seems to be where the trouble will be at.

I'm not rich, and I hang out at a lot of hot spots, but thugs aren't at the spots that I'm at. I'm hanging in the lounge at the Century Plaza Hotel, which is really nice, and there isn't a thug in sight. Hell, they aren't welcome at a place like that and they'd stick out like a sore thumb. There are so many spots like that in any city. That's where these rich athletes need to hang out.

[Majik]

However President Elect's economic plans of 'redistribution' of wealth, may allow thugs to venture out to more upscale hot spots, that is if they don't blow all their money on bling and drugs.

Gosh i hate the thought of spreading the wealth, yeah the bum down the street who is unemployed really needs my hard earned dollar to buy his booze.

**** America.

[DBroncos4life]

However President Elect's economic plans of 'redistribution' of wealth, may allow thugs to venture out to more upscale hot spots, that is if they don't blow all their money on bling and drugs.

Gosh i hate the thought of spreading the wealth, yeah the bum down the street who is unemployed really needs my hard earned dollar to buy his booze.

**** America.

Everyone needs to drink.

[azbroncfan]

The real problem is not carrying a gun.


It is shooting yourself in the leg.

Carrying the gun is a major problem and that is what he is going to get hung for. Then shooting himself only adds to the major problem.

[azbroncfan]

Burress does have a gun permit in Florida.
He has had it for years. he didnt understand the law as it applied to NY. No excuse.
I think it was Brandon Meriweather who had a concealed gun permit, got robbed at a freinds house in miami, and went out and fired off the entire clip at the get away car. Cops came, he told them what happened, and i believe he was never charged.

Why the BS? I agree and wrote the higlighted area.

My bad read your post wrong.

[Beantown Bronco]

yeah, a lot of those old ladies in motorized carts are crazy...lol

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[Beantown Bronco]

**** America.

Don't let the door hit ya.