SEC and Big 12...a look at the two conferences

[lex]

OK, there has been some back and forth over who is the better conference. It doesnt necessarily matter so much because Kansas and South Carolina arent playing in the NC game. Nevertheless, if youre going to look at what it means to score a lot of points and gain a lot of yards in the two conferences, its worth looking at what the conference did as a whole. As you can see, even teams like Kansas scored a lot of points. Perhaps that says a lot about the defenses and inflated offensive numbers in the Big 12, or perhaps it doesnt.

The defensive stats of the two conferences are listed first.


G Pts/G Yds/G PassYds RushYds
Texas 12 18.6 339.9 3196 883
Oklahoma 13 24.5 359.1 3290 1378
Texas Tech 12 26.3 371.6 2857 1602
Oklahoma St. 12 26.9 392.3 3222 1485
Missouri 13 27.5 414.2 3709 1676
Nebraska 12 29.2 361.5 2828 1510
Colorado 12 29.3 381.6 2584 1995
Baylor 12 29.3 393.2 3063 1655
Kansas 12 29.5 402.2 3306 1520
Kansas St. 12 35.8 479.1 3137 2612
Iowa St. 12 35.8 452.8 3320 2114
Texas A&M 12 37.4 461.9 2912 2631
146 400.58 37,424 21,061

G Pts/G Yds/G PassYds RushYds
Florida 13 12.8 279.3 2262 1369
Alabama 13 13 256.9 2315 1025
Tennessee 12 16.8 263.5 1925 1237
Mississippi 12 17.8 294.8 2518 1020
Auburn 12 18 317.8 2146 1667
Vanderbilt 12 20.1 318.7 2084 1740
South Carolina 12 20.3 288.9 1923 1544
Kentucky 12 21.7 327 2215 1709
Mississippi St. 12 24.7 327.5 2119 1811
Georgia 12 25.6 318.3 2261 1559
LSU 12 25.9 326.5 2650 1268
Arkansas 12 31.2 375.2 2453 2049
146 307.32 26,871 17,998

G Pts/G Yds/G PassYds RushYds
Oklahoma 13 54 562.1 4635 2672
Texas Tech 12 44.6 536.2 5007 1427
Texas 12 43.9 476.4 3594 2123
Missouri 13 43.2 497.5 4425 2042
Oklahoma St. 12 41.6 489.3 2799 3072
Nebraska 12 36.2 458.3 3417 2082
Kansas St. 12 34.9 402.1 3235 1590
Kansas 12 32.7 431.3 3628 1547
Baylor 12 28 376.4 2168 2349
Iowa St. 12 25.3 386.8 2981 1661
Texas A&M 12 25 340.9 3029 1062
Colorado 12 20.2 318.5 2328 1494
146 440.869863 41,246 23,121

G Pts/G Yds/G PassYds RushYds
Florida 13 45.2 442.4 2764 2987
Georgia 12 32.1 433.9 3360 1847
Alabama 13 31.2 367.2 2219 2554
Mississippi 12 30.8 398.7 2583 2201
LSU 12 30.3 371.8 2454 2007
Kentucky 12 22.4 298.4 2030 1551
Arkansas 12 21.9 373.1 3115 1362
South Carolina 12 21.7 316.8 2622 1180
Vanderbilt 12 19.4 260.9 1473 1658
Auburn 12 17.3 302.9 1985 1650
Tennessee 12 17.3 268.8 1750 1475
Mississippi St. 12 15.3 276 2092 1220
146 343.4178082 28,447 21,692

[epicSocialism4tw]

The SEC is a two team conference while the Big 12 has been extremely comptetitive throughout.

I am confident that Oklahoma State, Texas, or Texas Tech would have been represented in the SEC championship game yesterday.

SEC apologists like the author of this thread like to talk about defenses...your defensive numbers would suffer too if you were facing teams like Oklahoma, Tech, Missouri, Texas, Kansas, and Oklahoma State.

All of those teams had outstanding offenses led by extremely high-quality skill position players.

[lex]

The SEC is a two team conference while the Big 12 has been extremely comptetitive throughout.

I am confident that Oklahoma State, Texas, or Texas Tech would have been represented in the SEC championship game yesterday.

SEC apologists like the author of this thread like to talk about defenses...your defensive numbers would suffer too if you were facing teams like Oklahoma, Tech, Missouri, Texas, Kansas, and Oklahoma State.

All of those teams had outstanding offenses led by extremely high-quality skill position players.


LOL. If you think Baylor and Kansas would have averaged 28 and 32.7 pts per game, respectively in the SEC, youre high. Youre rampant homerism knows no bounds. Furhtermore, at the outset, I if its between UF and OU, its more about those two teams. But if youre going to get into the analysis of the conference its hard to not overlook some mediocre offenses also putting up some inflated offensive #s.

[epicSocialism4tw]

If you think Baylor and Kansas would have averaged 28 and 32.7 pts per game, respectively in the SEC, youre high. Youre rampant homerism knows no bounds. Furhtermore, at the outset, I if its between UF and OU, its more about those two teams. But if youre going to get into the analysis of the conference its hard to not overlook some mediocre offenses also putting up some inflated offensive #s.

Mediocre compared to what? The other offenses in the Big 12?

Give it up, dude.

You have been trying to make the argument all year that the SEC is somehow even competitive with the Big 12, which any avergage college football fan would probably disagree with. In other seasons the story may be different, but not this season.

Here's where the irony comes in...You know that defensive monster known as the SEC? It was won by the only team in the conference with a decent offense. Florida's defense is average.

You have been sopping up too much of that CBS SEC propaganda. On that note, that station's coverage of the SEC is no less ridiculous than NBC's Notre Dame coverage. If that was the only college football you watched all year, you would think that Tebow is the first pick in the upcoming draft and that there has never been a conference with as many "best teams ever"...as in "the Chargers are the best 8-8 team ever". Ridiculous.

[lex]

Mediocre compared to what? The other offenses in the Big 12?

Give it up, dude.

You have been trying to make the argument all year that the SEC is somehow even competitive with the Big 12, which any avergage college football fan would probably disagree with. In other seasons the story may be different, but not this season.

Here's where the irony comes in...You know that defensive monster known as the SEC? It was won by the only team in the conference with a decent offense. Florida's defense is average.

You have been sopping up too much of that CBS SEC propaganda. On that note, that station's coverage of the SEC is no less ridiculous than NBC's Notre Dame coverage. If that was the only college football you watched all year, you would think that Tebow is the first pick in the upcoming draft and that there has never been a conference with as many "best teams ever"...as in "the Chargers are the best 8-8 team ever". Ridiculous.

You can go into whatever diatribe you want but Kansas does not average 32.7 points a game in the SEC. And you could go down the line.

[bombay]

Las Vegas bookmakers last week did hypothetical point spreads of all top 10 teams against each other. USC was the only team that was favored against all comers. Florida was favored against everyone but SC, Oklahoma against all but SC and Florida. Interesting about Oklahoma, since Texas took them out on a neutral field.

[TheChamp24]

You don't know what Kansas would average, and I think you hardly watched any big 12 games because the offenses are pretty good throughout. Kansas has a decent QB, with a pretty solid receiving core and an okay running game. I could say that if Miss averaged 30 points a game, Kansas could too.
I mean, you have some really crappy teams in the SEC in Tenn, Kentucky, Arkansas, Auburn, Miss State, heck I think LSU this year was pretty bad.

I will say, once again, I think you underestimate how good these offenses were in the Big 12.

[lex]

You don't know what Kansas would average, and I think you hardly watched any big 12 games because the offenses are pretty good throughout. Kansas has a decent QB, with a pretty solid receiving core and an okay running game. I could say that if Miss averaged 30 points a game, Kansas could too.
I mean, you have some really crappy teams in the SEC in Tenn, Kentucky, Arkansas, Auburn, Miss State, heck I think LSU this year was pretty bad.

I will say, once again, I think you underestimate how good these offenses were in the Big 12.

No. Ole Miss has 3 guys that play on the LOS that could potentially be #1 picks in Hardy, Oher, and Jerry. And then Jevan Snead was highly recruited and can play. Kansas doesnt have that kind of talent and certainly not upfront. Nice try though. Understand too, that Im not claiming the SEC is superior like you Big 12 homers but, rather, Im just pointing the flaws in saying the its better because they have better offense. Again, if a team like Kansas averages 32.7 or a team like Baylor averages 28, that calls for some scrutiny.

[epicSocialism4tw]

No. Ole Miss has 3 guys that play on the LOS that could potentially be #1 picks in Hardy, Oher, and Jerry. And then Jevan Snead was highly recruited and can play. Kansas doesnt have that kind of talent and certainly not upfront. Nice try though. Understand too, that Im not claiming the SEC is superior like you Big 12 homers but, rather, Im just pointing the flaws in saying the its better because they have better offense. Again, if a team like Kansas averages 32.7 or a team like Baylor averages 28, that calls for some scrutiny.

No.

The Big 12 is better because the teams are better. Kansas may not have a swath of first-round talent, but first-round talent does not make a college football team.

More self-imposed irony by yourself: you propose that teams are measured against one another based on first round talent in key positions; how does this explain the SEC propaganda wagon's insistence that Tebow is the reason why Florida wins big games? He's not a first round prospect.

[lex]

No.

The Big 12 is better because the teams are better. Kansas may not have a swath of first-round talent, but first-round talent does not make a college football team.

More self-imposed irony by yourself: you propose that teams are measured against one another based on first round talent in key positions; how does this explain the SEC propaganda wagon's insistence that Tebow is the reason why Florida wins big games? He's not a first round prospect.

No, obviously simply being in the Big 12 makes you a better team...it has nothing to do with talent...especially to Big 12 homers like you. And Im not even going to attempt to unwind the twisted logic in that last remark.

[bombay]

These discussions generally don't go anywhere, but I'll put in my two cents anyway. I don't think the SEC was as deep in quality teams this season as they usually are. Auburn, Tennessee, LSU, and to some extent Georgia weren't as good as they are most seasons. The Big XII, on the other hand, was deeper - in the South anyway - than it usually is. From Texas through Okie State, quality teams all. The wheels came off at Missouri after the Oklahoma St loss, so it's kind of hard to quantify them, but in general the North sucked.

[epicSocialism4tw]

No, obviously simply being in the Big 12 makes you a better team...it has nothing to do with talent...especially to Big 12 homers like you. And Im not even going to attempt to unwind the twisted logic in that last remark.

It was your twisted logic.

Also, the simple idea that the SEC has been in anyway as competitive as the Big 12 because the SEC "plays defense" is about as ignorant as it gets. Its as if you just sat awestruck in front of the CBS production of every SEC game this year and sopped up every bit of syrup they spewed to promote their games.

[Garcia Bronco]

The SEC is the tougher conference year in and out. The Big 12 might have the touger teams this year. It's hard to say. But when Florida probably beats OU, what does that mean?

[epicSocialism4tw]

The SEC is the tougher conference year in and out. The Big 12 might have the touger teams this year. It's hard to say. But when Florida probably beats OU, what does that mean?

It's pretty funny that people are already counting Oklahoma out.

Oklahoma has seen the tougher competition and has produced the convincing results against highly ranked opponents.

Not only that, but this is the best offense of the past century in college football.

I'm sure that Stoops is happy to go in the underdog.

[Garcia Bronco]

It's pretty funny that people are already counting Oklahoma out.

Oklahoma has seen the tougher competition and has produced the convincing results against highly ranked opponents.

Not only that, but this is the best offense of the past century in college football.

I'm sure that Stoops is happy to go in the underdog.

I think you can throw all that stuff out the window. OU is good, damn good. You could see it in the Mizzou game. It's like the teams were playing at two completely different speeds, but Florida has that same speed and the more experienced team. I think they win it, and the score will probably be 24 to 20.

I hope Florida wins for one reason: Bob Stoops is a classless jerk. Running up the score like that was just classless.

[SoonerBronco]

I think you can throw all that stuff out the window. OU is good, damn good. You could see it in the Mizzou game. It's like the teams were playing at two completely different speeds, but Florida has that same speed and the more experienced team. I think they win it, and the score will probably be 24 to 20.

I hope Florida wins for one reason: Bob Stoops is a classless jerk. Running up the score like that was just classless.

Don't start it.

Do a little research and see how many points OU scored 1st half and 2nd half of games this year, you'll see the "classy" aspect of Stoops.

Again, his TEAM was going for a record that has stood for almost 90 years. It was important to them, and they deserved the chance to break it.

Funny you mention class when OU plays Mizzou and that fat, booger eating, bulliten board material making assclown Chase Daniel.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I think you can throw all that stuff out the window. OU is good, damn good. You could see it in the Mizzou game. It's like the teams were playing at two completely different speeds, but Florida has that same speed and the more experienced team. I think they win it, and the score will probably be 24 to 20.

I hope Florida wins for one reason: Bob Stoops is a classless jerk. Running up the score like that was just classless.


OU hung 60+ on the #2 team in the country...they had 42 at half.

They hung 60+ on the #13 team in the country, having to outscore a talented and motivated OSU.

The Sooners' 60 point games were all done in fine taste, with the second-half scoring coming for the major part by the running game.

I'm not sure why you are hung up on this "classless" idea...maybe you have a little brother that got punked by Bradford or something...I dont know, but there is no reason to cling to an unfounded idea like that unless you are bitter about something else and need a reason to explain the phenomenon away.

The Sooners have been flat-out dominant. When I have some more time, Ill put the stats up here.

[Garcia Bronco]

Don't start it.

Do a little research and see how many points OU scored 1st half and 2nd half of games this year, you'll see the "classy" aspect of Stoops.

Again, his TEAM was going for a record that has stood for almost 90 years. It was important to them, and they deserved the chance to break it.

Funny you mention class when OU plays Mizzou and that fat, booger eating, bulliten board material making assclown Chase Daniel.


Both of you don't give me that crap, love ya and all, but they had them beat 6 ways to Sunday with 4 minutes left and were throwing the down field. I was embarassed for them.

[SoonerBronco]

Both of you don't give me that crap, love ya and all, but they had them beat 6 ways to Sunday with 4 minutes left and were throwing the down field. I was embarassed for them.

You damned grouch! :rofl:

[DenverBrit]

When OU played mighty FL State for the NC, they were double digit underdogs.
I recall a lot of talk about how the OU defense would be demolished and that OU didn't belong in the game.

Hopefully, we'll see a similar OU performance against the other 'FL' team.

[ohiobronco2]

It will be interesting to see how much pressure the great FL team puts on Bradford. I thought Wilson had a lot of time to throw against FL and I believe that Oklahoma has a better line, with much better skill players.

[DenverBrit]

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Forgive me Sooners fans...I was wrong about your team
Dec 28, 2008 | 7:01PM | report this
OK...I have seen the light.

It all makes sense now.

No, I'm not a Sooners fan, but I have started to look hard at the FedEx Championship Game with a no-nonsense approach and have come up with a few reasons why the Gators will lose this game. No.... wait.

A lot of reasons.

The Sooners have faced seven top twenty five scoring offenses this season while the Gators have faced none. Oklahoma has had a much tougher challenge and they have been monsters on offense. The highest ranked scoring offense the Gators have faced is Florida State at No. 27. When you don't play prolific offenses, you are beating teams who don't post a lot of points. Spin it all you want, but Florida's D ranking is inflated due to the level of their opponents offense, while Oklahoma's D ranking is deflated due to the proliferation of their opponents' offenses.

Six of the top twenty passing offenses in the nation went up against Oklahoma, and except for one, couldn't beat the Sooners. Florida faced one top twenty passing offense - Georgia - who averages 280 yards in the air. Compare that average against a team like Texas Tech, who averages 417 yards, or Mizzou, who averages 380 yards, and suddenly, the defensive stats mean nothing and should be heavily discounted. The fact that the Sooners beat five of the six best top twenty passing offenses means a lot. Advantage Sooners.

The Heisman curse is alive and well. Only one Heisman winner has won a BCS Championship Game in the year he won the Heisman- Matt Leinart of USC. Last year Heisman winner Tim Tebow's Gators lost to Michigan in the Capital One Bowl, and although it's not a BCS game, the curse is now spreading to other bowls. Sam Bradford could be the next victim. Advantage Gators.

Injuries are prevalent on both sides, but the Gators' are very alarming. Two safeties and a linebacker have torn ACL's, and while the Gators have an excellent LB in Brandon Spikes, they are thin in the secondary. On the flip side, the Sooners lost a lineman (Granger) and a huge play maker - DeMarco Murray - who can run, catch and terrorize kicking teams. While the Sooners have another two running backs (Madu and Brown) who can fill Murray's shoes, the explosiveness of his big-play potential will be missed. But back to the Gators- is being thin in the secondary against Sam Bradford comforting? The Sooners pass for over 356 yards a game, and those DBs will be needing lots of rotations to keep fresh. Advantage Sooners.

Coaching is somewhat of an intangible, but we'll address it here. Meyer is 2-0 in BCS Bowls- a Fiesta Bowl win and a National Championship. Stoops is 2-4 in BCS Bowls, losing his last four, but winning a National Championship and a Rose Bowl. The Sooners have been embarrassed twice on a national stage, and that has to haunt their psyches just a bit even if those were different teams. Last year's debacle wasn't that long ago, and the chip on their shoulder may make them come out angry. Or curl up in the fetal position i####ame-changing play occurs. Advantage Gators.

Home field advantage is somewhat overrated- unless you don't have to travel out of state. While the tickets have been evenly distributed to both teams' fans, there will be more Chomp Chomps than Boomer Sooners in the stands. The Sooners have major travel plans while the Gators have a 285 mile road trip due south. Does it make a difference? Sure it can, especially when you are in different time zones, but east-to-west is harder on the body than west-to-east. Unless it snows in Miami Gardens, the Sooners will feel like visitors. Advantage Gators.

Final analysis: the Oklahoma Sooners' D is just fine, thank you very much. They have played some of the best offenses in the country and won convincingly. Their loss to Texas seems a bit more forgiveable than Florida's loss to Ole Miss. And no, Ole Miss isn't in the same league as Texas Tech, and will be exposed as a midling in the Cotton Bowl right before your very eyes.

The Gators are in the BCS Championship Game because of the perceived dominance of the SEC, but the reality is, the SEC is not nearly as strong as the Big 12, judging by play so far this year. Penn State, USC, Texas, Texas Tech and Utah all have just as a legitimate claim to be in the Championship Game as the Sooners and the Gators, which really makes this championship mythical, once again.

The winner will be crowned, but it won't mean any conference is better than another- it will just mean that one of two teams chosen to play is better than the other. So please, Big 12 fans, don't start those inane "B-I-G- 1-2" chants when you hoist that crystal trophy. Remember, Baylor is part of the Big 12, and so is Iowa State. They didn't earn that trophy. You did.

Oklahoma 47 Florida 31
http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/Lisa%20H/2008/12/28/Forgive_me_Sooners_fansI_was_wrong_about_your_team

[lex]

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Forgive me Sooners fans...I was wrong about your team
Dec 28, 2008 | 7:01PM | report this
OK...I have seen the light.

It all makes sense now.

No, I'm not a Sooners fan, but I have started to look hard at the FedEx Championship Game with a no-nonsense approach and have come up with a few reasons why the Gators will lose this game. No.... wait.

A lot of reasons.

The Sooners have faced seven top twenty five scoring offenses this season while the Gators have faced none. Oklahoma has had a much tougher challenge and they have been monsters on offense. The highest ranked scoring offense the Gators have faced is Florida State at No. 27. When you don't play prolific offenses, you are beating teams who don't post a lot of points. Spin it all you want, but Florida's D ranking is inflated due to the level of their opponents offense, while Oklahoma's D ranking is deflated due to the proliferation of their opponents' offenses.

Six of the top twenty passing offenses in the nation went up against Oklahoma, and except for one, couldn't beat the Sooners. Florida faced one top twenty passing offense - Georgia - who averages 280 yards in the air. Compare that average against a team like Texas Tech, who averages 417 yards, or Mizzou, who averages 380 yards, and suddenly, the defensive stats mean nothing and should be heavily discounted. The fact that the Sooners beat five of the six best top twenty passing offenses means a lot. Advantage Sooners.

The Heisman curse is alive and well. Only one Heisman winner has won a BCS Championship Game in the year he won the Heisman- Matt Leinart of USC. Last year Heisman winner Tim Tebow's Gators lost to Michigan in the Capital One Bowl, and although it's not a BCS game, the curse is now spreading to other bowls. Sam Bradford could be the next victim. Advantage Gators.

Injuries are prevalent on both sides, but the Gators' are very alarming. Two safeties and a linebacker have torn ACL's, and while the Gators have an excellent LB in Brandon Spikes, they are thin in the secondary. On the flip side, the Sooners lost a lineman (Granger) and a huge play maker - DeMarco Murray - who can run, catch and terrorize kicking teams. While the Sooners have another two running backs (Madu and Brown) who can fill Murray's shoes, the explosiveness of his big-play potential will be missed. But back to the Gators- is being thin in the secondary against Sam Bradford comforting? The Sooners pass for over 356 yards a game, and those DBs will be needing lots of rotations to keep fresh. Advantage Sooners.

Coaching is somewhat of an intangible, but we'll address it here. Meyer is 2-0 in BCS Bowls- a Fiesta Bowl win and a National Championship. Stoops is 2-4 in BCS Bowls, losing his last four, but winning a National Championship and a Rose Bowl. The Sooners have been embarrassed twice on a national stage, and that has to haunt their psyches just a bit even if those were different teams. Last year's debacle wasn't that long ago, and the chip on their shoulder may make them come out angry. Or curl up in the fetal position i####ame-changing play occurs. Advantage Gators.

Home field advantage is somewhat overrated- unless you don't have to travel out of state. While the tickets have been evenly distributed to both teams' fans, there will be more Chomp Chomps than Boomer Sooners in the stands. The Sooners have major travel plans while the Gators have a 285 mile road trip due south. Does it make a difference? Sure it can, especially when you are in different time zones, but east-to-west is harder on the body than west-to-east. Unless it snows in Miami Gardens, the Sooners will feel like visitors. Advantage Gators.

Final analysis: the Oklahoma Sooners' D is just fine, thank you very much. They have played some of the best offenses in the country and won convincingly. Their loss to Texas seems a bit more forgiveable than Florida's loss to Ole Miss. And no, Ole Miss isn't in the same league as Texas Tech, and will be exposed as a midling in the Cotton Bowl right before your very eyes.

The Gators are in the BCS Championship Game because of the perceived dominance of the SEC, but the reality is, the SEC is not nearly as strong as the Big 12, judging by play so far this year. Penn State, USC, Texas, Texas Tech and Utah all have just as a legitimate claim to be in the Championship Game as the Sooners and the Gators, which really makes this championship mythical, once again.

The winner will be crowned, but it won't mean any conference is better than another- it will just mean that one of two teams chosen to play is better than the other. So please, Big 12 fans, don't start those inane "B-I-G- 1-2" chants when you hoist that crystal trophy. Remember, Baylor is part of the Big 12, and so is Iowa State. They didn't earn that trophy. You did.

Oklahoma 47 Florida 31
http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/Lisa%20H/2008/12/28/Forgive_me_Sooners_fansI_was_wrong_about_your_team

OK, we'll see. None of those teams were Florida which is one of the few teams that actually has the athletes to win more "in space" battles against Oklahoma. Football is like boxing, its a game of matchups.

Something else to consider. OU has a QB whose game greatly depends on him throwing in the pocket...or at least more than UF. Because of Tebows ability to scramble, his level of play might be less susceptible to rustyness.

[Kid A]

Bowl Count:

Big XII is at 2-1 (an unimpressive win my a listless Mizzou, an expected ass kicking by Kansas, and a shootout loss for Okie St to an Oregon team that just beat them down at the end)

SEC is at 2-0 (nice upset win for Vandy to get first bowl win since 1955, impressive steamrolling of Georgia Tech by LSU)

Obviously the bowl tally is hardly a conclusive marker, but it is interesting to see how conferences perform in these games. Big ones will be to see how Texas and Alabama handle their respective games and, of course, the title game.

[DenverBrit]

OK, we'll see. None of those teams were Florida which is one of the few teams that actually has the athletes to win more "in space" battles against Oklahoma. Football is like boxing, its a game of matchups.

Something else to consider. OU has a QB whose game greatly depends on him throwing in the pocket...or at least more than UF. Because of Tebows ability to scramble, his level of play might be less susceptible to rustyness.


It should be a hell of a game if both teams play to their potential. :thumbs:

[Doggcow]

As a PAC-10 fan I can say we're better than all yall bitches!

[Play2win]

As a PAC-10 fan I can say we're better than all yall b****es!

Plus its so much more fun to watch... Its like the AFC WEST back in its hay-day... :thumbsup:

[lex]

As a PAC-10 fan I can say we're better than all yall b****es!

Did they play anyone decent besides Oklahoma State (allegedly, although Ive heard that its good offense in the Big 12 and not bad defense)? Pitt, BYU,...who else?

[ohiobronco2]

Did they play anyone decent besides Oklahoma State (allegedly, although Ive heard that its good offense in the Big 12 and not bad defense)? Pitt, BYU,...who else?

Wasn't OSU moving the ball well against Oregon, before Dez Bryant got injured?

[lex]

Wasn't OSU moving the ball well against Oregon, before Dez Bryant got injured?

I think you missed what Im saying. Does Oregon have a good defense? Its been a question all season as to whether or not the offenses in the Big 12 are good or whether their defenses suck.

[Kid A]

Its been a question all season as to whether or not the offenses in the Big 12 are good or whether their defenses suck.

If there is any actual way to actually find out if this is true or not, I would say the Cotton Bowl (TT vs. Ole Miss) and Fiesta Bowl (Texas vs. Ohio State) will be as good a measurement as any. Solid teams in their respective conferences, but not offensive juggernauts by any stretch. If the Rebels and Buckeyes light it up, questions can be raised.

Florida will score on anybody, so if OU gives up some points in the title game that really won't be saying much.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I think you missed what Im saying. Does Oregon have a good defense? Its been a question all season as to whether or not the offenses in the Big 12 are good or whether their defenses suck.

That has been the question clinged to by all of you SEC zealots.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I think you missed what Im saying. Does Oregon have a good defense? Its been a question all season as to whether or not the offenses in the Big 12 are good or whether their defenses suck.

I guess that we can come to the conclusion that both SEC offenses and defenses suck based on S. Carolina's 31-10 whoopin' at the hands of Iowa. Right?

[lex]

That has been the question clinged to by all of you SEC zealots.

Bump

[lex]

I guess that we can come to the conclusion that both SEC offenses and defenses suck based on S. Carolina's 31-10 whoopin' at the hands of Iowa. Right?


Bump

[lex]

It's pretty funny that people are already counting Oklahoma out.

Oklahoma has seen the tougher competition and has produced the convincing results against highly ranked opponents.

Not only that, but this is the best offense of the past century in college football.

I'm sure that Stoops is happy to go in the underdog.


Bump!

[Kid A]

Bump!

Not even the best offense this decade. Not even the best offense this year. I'm a Big XII homer, but I'll freely admit the level of defense we play (and the way the refs call the games) make it a pass-happy league.

OU had a great offense, and they showed it on a couple drives last night. The thing is, those drives were when they ran the ball. Just lined up and let their o-line power over Florida's d-line.

And this is really what I think got revealed last night, in all the hurry up excitement. The best offense isn't the one that sets records for points scored. It is the one that scores enough points while aiding the defense's cause through clock control.

Sometimes those are synonymous. Sometimes a shootout is needed. Sometimes you can pass for 400 and win by 30+. But not very often and not against a good defense. If you aren't able to dedicate your offense to clock eating drives where you can pound the ball consistently, then you probably aren't really that great an offense.

Look at Hawaii of last year. Look at Texas Tech this year. Fun, exciting, high-scoring offenses with great talent and coaching behind them. But not championship caliber. I'll take a team that averages around 30 (which is kind of low in NCAA) and can control the clock over one that puts up 70 a week and folds against a good defense. OU has the talent on offense to do whatever they want, but if you spend a whole year running the kind of offense they did, you can't expect them to successfully change mentality in one game (against a good defense).

So yes, OU finished as the highest scoring team in NCAA history. No small feat. But, as we saw, that hardly makes them the greatest offense of all-time. Far from it.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Not even the best offense this decade. Not even the best offense this year. I'm a Big XII homer, but I'll freely admit the level of defense we play (and the way the refs call the games) make it a pass-happy league.

OU had a great offense, and they showed it on a couple drives last night. The thing is, those drives were when they ran the ball. Just lined up and let their o-line power over Florida's d-line.

And this is really what I think got revealed last night, in all the hurry up excitement. The best offense isn't the one that sets records for points scored. It is the one that scores enough points while aiding the defense's cause through clock control.

Sometimes those are synonymous. Sometimes a shootout is needed. Sometimes you can pass for 400 and win by 30+. But not very often and not against a good defense. If you aren't able to dedicate your offense to clock eating drives where you can pound the ball consistently, then you probably aren't really that great an offense.

Look at Hawaii of last year. Look at Texas Tech this year. Fun, exciting, high-scoring offenses with great talent and coaching behind them. But not championship caliber. I'll take a team that averages around 30 (which is kind of low in NCAA) and can control the clock over one that puts up 70 a week and folds against a good defense. OU has the talent on offense to do whatever they want, but if you spend a whole year running the kind of offense they did, you can't expect them to successfully change mentality in one game (against a good defense).

So yes, OU finished as the highest scoring team in NCAA history. No small feat. But, as we saw, that hardly makes them the greatest offense of all-time. Far from it.


Oklahoma left alot of points on the board. 3 drives were ended in the red zone, and one FG was blocked. Bradford had a solid game, as did the rushing attack. Oklahoma got there and Florida bowed up. Nothing to be ashamed of there.

What it boiled down to was the two picks, the blocked kick, and the goal line stop. Hats off to Florida. They made those plays and converted them into points more than OU did. Oklahoma did very well despite the absence of Murray and the bevy of drops (two of which resulted in Florida picks).

I predicated every statement I made with the possibility that Oklahoma doesnt win this game, and thus I wouldnt have considered them the best all-time. However, their offense's achievements will stand the test of time.

Florida wins. That's that. Move that game to the midwest and the results might have been a bit different, but Florida wins. Congrats Gator fans.

[theAPAOps5]

:spit: so its because it wasn't in the midwest. What a joke.

[epicSocialism4tw]

:spit: so its because it wasn't in the midwest. What a joke.

Some guy on a message board won't tell me what I want to hear! BWAAAH! :Whaaaa!:

What are you? 12?

[theAPAOps5]

Some guy on a message board won't tell me what I want to hear! BWAAAH! :Whaaaa!:

What are you? 12?

What because I think you are wrong AGAIN that makes me 12? Poor Drama

[AbileneBroncoFan]

Which conference is the best in the country? Here's a thought: WHO CARES?! I'm a longtime Texas fan, and I'll tell you right now, the Big XII was not even in the conversation for best conference in 2005. But I will also tell you that no one cares. Texas won the title and became one of, if not the best, team of all time. Does anybody today care that the SEC had more quality teams? Nope. Do any of us care that the NFC had more good teams in 1997 and 1998? Nope. We got the rings. Period. It makes no difference who the best conference or division was.

[bombay]

Who cares.

No one will know how the conferences stack up until the bcs is dead and buried.